HGH

[Guest guest]

Well I finally got some good news. I tested low for Human Growth Hormone and

I will be accepted into the study. I do not get to start it for two weeks.

At this point I do not know really anything about the study and I do not

even know the name of the medication that I will be put on. But as soon as I

do I will pass the information along.

One thing I want to clarify is that I will be getting real HGH replacement

therapy and not the supplements that you see advertised on the web that make

all sorts of wild and ridiculous claims.

My Internet connection at home is on the blink so I may be a little slow in

responding.

LOL

Steve

[Guest guest]

> Well I finally got some good news. I tested low for Human

> Growth Hormone and

I am curious. What was your level, and what is the normal range?

Also, I have been curious about other people's results.

Has anybody else on this list had their HGH levels tested?

What were your results?

> I will be accepted into the study.

> One thing I want to clarify is that I will be getting real

> HGH replacement

> therapy and not the supplements that you see advertised on

> the web that make

> all sorts of wild and ridiculous claims.

So cool! Are there still openings in the study?

Patti

--

[Guest guest]

I will try to find if there are openings in this study and, more

importantly, how folks in different locations can get this type of

treatment. Please be patient, it took me a long time to get tested and to

get the result. Next I must go through a screening examination and that will

not take place for two weeks. I will post information as soon as I get it.

Meanwhile, folks may want to contact the endocrinology departments at the

University Medical Centers that are located in your area. It may well be

that this treatment is more widely available than one thinks. Children have

been receiving this type of treatment for years. So the treatment itself is

not new, rather it is just the application that is new.

Please post what ever you find out.

LOL

Steve

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I've been off for a while. How did you find a HGH study?

Christie

At 12:37 PM 7/6/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " , T. " <S@...>

>

>Well I finally got some good news. I tested low for Human Growth Hormone and

>I will be accepted into the study. I do not get to start it for two weeks.

>At this point I do not know really anything about the study and I do not

>even know the name of the medication that I will be put on. But as soon as I

>do I will pass the information along.

>

>One thing I want to clarify is that I will be getting real HGH replacement

>therapy and not the supplements that you see advertised on the web that make

>all sorts of wild and ridiculous claims.

>

>My Internet connection at home is on the blink so I may be a little slow in

>responding.

>

>LOL

>

>Steve

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

I found the study by accident -- a web friend said she was getting HGH so I

emailed my endo about it & I found that he was doing a study. The med cost

16,000 bucks a year but they say they have had 100% success in getting

insurnace to pay for it. This is not a clinical trial so there is no control

group. Has anyone found out about treatment in their area? Just curious.

Steve

Re: HGH

From: " C.Tab. " <tab@...>

Hi,

I've been off for a while. How did you find a HGH study?

Christie

At 12:37 PM 7/6/99 -0500, you wrote:

>From: " , T. " <S@...>

>

>Well I finally got some good news. I tested low for Human Growth Hormone

and

>I will be accepted into the study. I do not get to start it for two weeks.

>At this point I do not know really anything about the study and I do not

>even know the name of the medication that I will be put on. But as soon as

I

>do I will pass the information along.

>

>One thing I want to clarify is that I will be getting real HGH replacement

>therapy and not the supplements that you see advertised on the web that

make

>all sorts of wild and ridiculous claims.

>

>My Internet connection at home is on the blink so I may be a little slow in

>responding.

>

>LOL

>

>Steve

>

>---------------------------

[Guest guest]

shell, what is the name of the hgh supplement you take and where can i get it

in nasal spray form.

thank you,

mayra

[Guest guest]

: I don't know about the nasal spray. I had reconstruct from crush

wounds in my face and can't use any odd sprays but the one I use which is a

mouth spray which you put under your tongue is called Vital HGH It has a big

checkmark on the brown bottle. It is manufactured by BPR Health

International, I-800-460-7733.My understanding is that the tablets by mouth

are inneffective. This bottle cost me 45 dollars. Some are more. My

husband separated our finances so I'm not sure where my next bottle will come

from but I think it helps me so much I will get it somehow. Let me know how

it works for you. Sometimes it takes a while to work

[Guest guest]

you on commission?

[Guest guest]

Hello, I am an independent distributor for E'ola International. Thank you,

jodi

Re: HGH

> you on commission?

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

Jerry wrote:

> Hi, ,

>

> >

> I believe that the only hGH that is on the market now is the recombinant hGH

> sold as Humatrope by Lilly. (recombinant human somatotropin, another name

> for growth hormone) Stay away from any other type - cadaver-derived hGH is

> potentially contaminated with CJD (human version of mad cow disease), AIDS,

> hepatitis B, C, D, E, F, and much more besides.

Jerry you are right. I do not think that cadaver-derived HGH is still on the

market in the US because of several serious health problems associated with it.

The only thing I would add is that if

one is really thinking about going through the pain (a shot in the belly every

night) and the expense of HGH therapy it makes sense to get a pit stimulation

test first. IGF-1 is an unstable measure

of HGH because (as you know but other may not) IGF-1 is not HGH rather it is a

another hormone the secretion of which is stimulated my HGH. In men the level of

IGF-1 is also stimulated or

suppressed by the level of testosterone, and in women it think the hormonal

picture is even more complicated. There is a protein binding factor IGFBP-3

(this I believe is the most common) that is a

more stable measure of HGH but it is not perfect. A pit stimulation test can

only be done if you are not currently on HGH so why not get one and see where

you are at. IGFBP-3 and IGF-1 can be used

to monitor ones level of HGH while one is on replacement therapy. Further if the

pit stim test indicates the need for HGH replacement therapy it would be

important to get a brain MRI, for two

reasons, first if ones pit is not working it could be because there is a tumor

in the pit, and second, because HGH therapy tend to MAKE TUMORS GROW AT A FASTER

RATE so if you have a brain tumor

better to know before starting HGH

The problem is that a lot of CFS docs just test for IGF-1 and then recommend

oral supplements. The supplements claim that they have properties that stimulate

the pit to produce more HGH, exercise

and good sleep also stimulate the pit to secrete HGH, many body builders also

sleep in a very warm room (80 degree) in the belief that it will stimulate HGH

(this is based on research that

demonstrate it is easier to put on muscle mass in the summer than in the

winter). The problem is it is questionable as to whether the supplements do

anything at all. The supplements tend to cost

about 100 bucks a month whereas HGH therapy cost between 800 and 1600 bucks a

month. If insurance is going to pay for it they may want two pit stim test.

Sometimes with insurance the real thing can

cost as much as the supplement.

Jerry you are also right about the research there is much more on FM than on

CFS. The one study I have on HGH and CFS did not use a pit stim test but IGF-1

and several protein binding factors. I

found that CFSers tended to be somewhat low in these proxy measures of HGH . But

the study concluded that this could be due to inactivity. Whereas, I have seen

an FM study that showed a muted

response in a pit stim test. There are about 12 different ways to do a pit stim

test and the study I just alluded to used exercise as the stimulant.

This may be much more than you wanted to know & I am sure I am presenting a

simplified view of a very complex topic.

Steve

[Guest guest]

I personally think that if you have a real pituitary problem only the injections

work because only the injections provide you with HGH. What the other things

claim to do is to stimulate you

pituitary gland to produce more HGH. I would love to see a study that indicates

that is possible. Exercise and good quality sleep also stimulate you pit to

produce HGH put you must have a well

functioning pit. Often what people are really after is an increase in the

insulin growth factor IGF-1. This is influenced by a variety of other conditions

-- the easiest and cheapest way to

increase IGF-1 is through testosterone.

But if you are seriously looking into HGH get a pit stimulation test done first

and don't let anyone tell you that an IGF-1 test is a substitute for a pit stim.

I have nothing to say about the so

called supplements & I have never met anyone that was really knowledgeable in

this area say that they were effective. I have read some consumers who state

that if you have a good pit the

supplements can stimulate the pit to produce a little more HGH.

Finally more HGH may help with muscle strength and bone health but it will not

cure CFS.

good luck

steve

lbinujrsy@... wrote:

> Hello all, is anyone on this list using HGH and is it helping or making

> things worse? I am getting such mixed results....some say only injections

> work and others say that tablets and sprays have benefits. Thanks,

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[Guest guest]

> Hello all, is anyone on this list using HGH and is it helping or

making

> things worse? I am getting such mixed results....some say only

injections

> work and others say that tablets and sprays have benefits. Thanks,

Hi ,

I'm getting great results from a cheap amino acid GH releaser. It

gives me such a kick I can only take it every two days. There are

half a dozen different formulations that have proven results, but

from what I understand, you need to try a couple to see what works

best for you. I doubt if you need to spend $90 on the fancy sprays,

there is a lot of BS out there with people saying only MINE works

etc.

I also spoke recently to a guy who used the injectable pharmaceutical

HGH. He said it was great, but it is $230 and you have to use it

within 3 weeks. Not a viable option for many of us.

http://www.beyond-a-century.com has both cheap amino acid Gh

releasers and fancier products. They also have a new how to book on

natural hormone enhancement. Designed primarily for athletes, there

is probably a lot of overlap for those of us with an HPA defect. It

just came out, so I don't have it yet.

www.jomarlabs.com has day and nite GH releaser formulas.

Give it a try!

Luke

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 5/7/00 6:36:51 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

jane_doe_press@... writes:

<< On HGH - Ray Peat just put a newsletter w some very different thoughts on

it. Haven't really read it yet but thought I would tell you all. I usually

can barely follow his stuff but thought it worth the mention.

>>

Do you know how I can get a hold of this newsletter or is there a place to

read online?

[Guest guest]

Is the amino acid raising you IGF-1 or is it just making you feel better. If it

is raising your IFG-1 what are you numbers. Remember immopro is basically an

amino acid

Steve

> Hi ,

>

> I'm getting great results from a cheap amino acid GH releaser. It

> gives me such a kick I can only take it every two days. There are

> half a dozen different formulations that have proven results, but

> from what I understand, you need to try a couple to see what works

> best for you. I doubt if you need to spend $90 on the fancy sprays,

> there is a lot of BS out there with people saying only MINE works

> e

[Guest guest]

Tom,

Are you also on the rejuvenation board? If so, contact Ellis for his rHGH.

It is every bity as good as anything else out there and it is only $8.00/iu.

I have used Saizen, Humatrope and Ellis' " generic " rHGH and find no

difference in any of the three other than price. I am currently on my 5th

vial of Ellis' " generic " GH. Good Luck!

>I'm a newcomer so I thought I'd introduce myself and seek advise.I'm 52

>years old and respectably educated with a specialty in acupuncture.In

>reviewing the info on anti-aging much to my chagrin I found that rHGH

>seemed

>the way to go for me even though I use natural medicine in my practice.Just

>before getting my rHGH(expensive at $20 per 1iu)I ordered some Meditropin

>from a nutritional company in Florida.I used 6i.u. rHGH per week and at

>nite

>I actually decided to go for it by using the recommended dosage of

>Meditropin.Lo and behold in 3 weeks I felt great but I also started having

>wrist pain strangely like carpal tunnel.Now as an acupuncturist I know how

>to treat that but I felt that I should share this as carpal tunnel is a

>side-effect of overdoing HGH.In any case it seems that either the son

>product works really well,or is it possible others have experienced this

>effect on only 6iu per week.Tom Corbin Ph.D.,C.A.

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[Guest guest]

Tom,

I ditto that. Using one of the brand name HGH products is a huge waste of

money.

Doc

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/7/00 2:32:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< > I don't believe Dr. Cheney's 3 stage theory of CFS is consistent

with the

> blood coagulation theory and think you may not have read his full

hypothesis

> in detail. It is my understanding that he believes most long-term

CFS

> patients have blunted dynamic response (i.e. blunted HPA axis and

are

> deficient in human growth hormone " as documented by insulin

intolerance

> tests and Q15 minute overnight blood sampling of GH. Growth

hormone is >>

Steve, what brand of HGH does Cheney recommend. Thanks

[Guest guest]

I believe their are 2 or 3 types on the market. I'm going to use the one

that is cheapest and comes in 12 i.u. increments. This brand is sold by

Women's Int'l Pharmacy. I believe their prices are the lowest in the US.

Their ph# is 800-699-8143. I don't think Cheney has a preference. We

talked about the 2-3 brands and the main issue I think was the fact that

they come in different increments and have limited shelf life so you have to

weigh price, no. units or milligrams, and shelf life to minimize cost. I

hope to begin this therapy within next two weeks. Till now, I've only taken

the Somatomed pills to increase HGH levels and I can't get adequate sleep

without it. Steve Bullock

Re: HGH

>

> In a message dated 9/7/00 2:32:11 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

> egroups writes:

>

> << > I don't believe Dr. Cheney's 3 stage theory of CFS is consistent

> with the

> > blood coagulation theory and think you may not have read his full

> hypothesis

> > in detail. It is my understanding that he believes most long-term

> CFS

> > patients have blunted dynamic response (i.e. blunted HPA axis and

> are

> > deficient in human growth hormone " as documented by insulin

> intolerance

> > tests and Q15 minute overnight blood sampling of GH. Growth

> hormone is >>

>

> Steve, what brand of HGH does Cheney recommend. Thanks

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Steve,

That womens pharmacy you mentioned is the same one where

Macfarlane on our list gets her Growth Factor which sounds like the

same as Cheneys Fetal Bovine Growth Factor " FBGF " .

Al

Re: Re: HGH

> I believe their are 2 or 3 types on the market. I'm going to use the one

> that is cheapest and comes in 12 i.u. increments. This brand is sold by

> Women's Int'l Pharmacy. I believe their prices are the lowest in the US.

> Their ph# is 800-699-8143. I don't think Cheney has a preference. We

> talked about the 2-3 brands and the main issue I think was the fact that

> they come in different increments and have limited shelf life so you have

to

> weigh price, no. units or milligrams, and shelf life to minimize cost. I

> hope to begin this therapy within next two weeks. Till now, I've only

taken

> the Somatomed pills to increase HGH levels and I can't get adequate sleep

> without it. Steve Bullock

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 9/22/00 8:48:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, jtg63@...

writes:

<<

Higher doses may be taken experimantally for the puposes of

trying to stimulate tissue growth/healing of a particular organ

system. Don't know the dosing schedule for this type of use , but

have heard some elite bodybuilders take up to 80 I.U. (!)/ wk. , in

preparation for a contest. That's a lot.

>>

Hi Zippy. Thank you for posting about the HGH. Do you have any viruses or

bacterial infections?

[Guest guest]

The patent was suppose to expire this year I think but some congressman (a

republican; I'm voting for Gore now) pushed through an extension of the

patent. Steve Bullock

HGH

>

> I just wanted to say that I took 3 weeks worth of Eli Lily

> Humatope in the Spring of this year. (got it from T.J.'s in Mexico)

>

> It definitely made me feel better, w/ flashes of " normalacy " .

>

> Unfortunately, could only afford 6 weeks worth. Have heard that

> the patent rights will be coming off HGH in 4 more years, at which

> time the price may drop substantially.

>

> Have heard it costs between $14-20 U.S. dollars to manufacture one

> vial of HGH. That vial then retails for $215-260. (!) I look

> forward to the patent rights coming off this drug.

>

> Cheapest I have seen is at College Pharmacy 1-800-888-9358.

> Though you can get it without prescrit. from T.J.'s in Mexico 011-52-

> 66-801103. A little more expensive from Mexico, but then again you

> don't have to pay for a doctor's visit.

>

> I started w/ 4 I.U. /wk. and worked up to 8 I.U. /wk.. There are

> MANY different opinions on dosing of this drug. Go to www.lef.org to

> try to find out more about dosing.

>

> I think , every other day is best, at a dose of .7-1 I.U.,a.m,

> and p.m is best. , anything under 12 I.U./wk. is probably safe.

> This is for enhancement of sense of well being/physiological

> replacement.

>

> Higher doses may be taken experimantally for the puposes of

> trying to stimulate tissue growth/healing of a particular organ

> system. Don't know the dosing schedule for this type of use , but

> have heard some elite bodybuilders take up to 80 I.U. (!)/ wk. , in

> preparation for a contest. That's a lot.

>

>

> Zippy

> http://homestead.juno.com/jtg63/index.html

>

> P.S. Are you reading this healthnut? Just wanted to say hi. How's

> it going w/ the Fulfords?

>

>

> This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

[Guest guest]

> In a message dated 9/22/00 8:48:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time,

jtg63@j...

> writes:

>

>

> Hi Zippy. Thank you for posting about the HGH. Do you have any

viruses or

> bacterial infections?

Hello karen,

Hmmm... I don't think I have any active viruses or bacteria , at

this time. At least none raging, I would say.

Had some standard immune profiles done recently. They showed no

gross abnormalities.

May still have some latent cavitational infections?

Why do you ask?

Zippy

[Guest guest]

egroups doesn't list a group called rejuvination.

doees it have another list name?

Dennis

A. : . A. : .

[Guest guest]

Dennis,

Capitalize the R. It is Rejuvenation, I checked, it is still there.

Enter Rejuvenation in the search window at egroups.

jim

superflous1@... wrote:

>

> egroups doesn't list a group called rejuvination.

> doees it have another list name?

>

> Dennis

>

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[Guest guest]

I went through this lot a couple of years ago when a Pituitary tumor

was found on MRI scan. It turned out to be a Prolactinoma and so far

it has responded well to Bromocriptine and I haven't needed surgery.

The Insulin test isn't that bad......well the feeling of going

Hypoglyceamic is not that pleasant, but compared to the rest of CFS

it wasn't too bad. My results were all " normal " , whatever that

means, but after reading all I have on this list I am going to ask my

endocrinologist to recheck the whole thing from a CFS

viewpoint.......which, by the way, I will have to provide him

with !!!!!!!

Anne

> All I can say is the the endo who are doing hgh research all think

that the

> supplements are bunk. If the supplement do work they would only

work with

> some one with at good pit. The only way to find out if your pit is

working

> is by having an pit situmation test. There are many ways to test

the pit but

> the insulin based test is the best. It is also very unplesant & the

the endo

> much monitor you for 2 hours (although a nurse practioner may be

able to do

> this). If the pit is not able to produce hgh when stimulated the

next thing

> to do is have an MRI and look for a tumor. My MRI was abigous so if

I have a

> muted responce to the pit stim test I will have a neuro surgeon cut

out what

> seems to be a tumor.

>

> When I was on HGH my IGF-1 was over 500 and it did not my CFS

symptoms.

>

> Steve