HGH

[Guest guest]

Carol: The selenium in blue green algae is really NOT balanced vs. the other

nutrients. You said previously that you wouldn't use the 2 pounds of algae

required to get 150 mcg. selenium, and at a dose of 2 grams it yields only about

1/454 of a daily dose of selenium. I think that by anyone's rule this would be

sorely deficient, and the USDA shows us to be deficient by at least 150 mcg.

Calling algae a complete whole food in light of it being provably and sorely

deficient in a key nutrient for glutathione production is much more than

optimistic; IMO it's deceiving.

I do hope your statement about the b12 being bioavailable can be better

supported.

Balancing your body even with algae as a staple food will require careful

attention to supplementation, like it or not, and it would be better for

humanity and probably your karma if you passed along some helpful information to

that effect along with your marketing line.

Since you prefer whole foods to supplements Carol, you may like to know about

selenomethionine yeast; 3 tablets provides the 150 mcg selenium missing from the

algae. I take 4 tablets. Today I have the full yeast formula, which also is a

superfood when taken at at decent dosages for the various vitamins, proteins

etc,, but when it runs out I'll be using yeast extract because my wife prefers

it.

Similarly, algae is very low in EPA and DHA, which are crucially important

omega-3 fats you'd have to supplement. Turns out only 1%-2% of the ALA omega-3

in algae is useful, but adding another whole food like Gesundheit marine

phytoplankton, with EPA 9.3 mg/gm, DHA 4.9 mg/gm, and GLA 3.4 mg/gm, would

address the shortfall in the algae. The following paragraph stripped from

" Essential Fatty Acids in Super Blue Green® Algae " supports the general approach

of supplementing the super blue green® algae's deficiencies:

<snip> " Interestingly, they found that it raises the blood levels of the good

fatty acids far more than would be expected based on its ALA content alone. They

concluded that something about the algae - probably its range of micronutrients

- was helping the animals to utilize the fatty acids they were getting from

other sources as well as those in the algae. The balancing effect was

impressive: not only did the levels of " good " fatty acids (ALA, EPA, DHA) go up,

but also the levels of the troublemaker, arachidonic acid, went down. "

</snip>

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Carol, yes I pointed out the low selenium in algae previously; the

discussion can be found by entering selenium algae in the forum's search box.

> >

[Guest guest]

Ok, I guess I really don't care if you agree with me or not. I have been doing

this for many many years and I know what I say to be fact. And the glory of

whole foods and whole food supplements is that you don't have to be all that

careful about supplementation - it's food - you don't have to be careful any

more than you have to be careful about eating broccoli or carrots or turnip

greens. You're thinking about artificial supplements again - those you do have

to be careful with. Most people don't understand the concept of a whole food

supplement, so you are in good company.

Carol

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol, I have not really been following the hgh tussles going back and forth.

I have found that I must learn about every single topic that is talked about on

here because everything that has been brought up so far is new to me. So I am

picking and choosing what topics I want to put the time into to learn about.

My question for you is, who really has a whole-food supplementation product? It

seems like you already use one. I have not found any in my own searches. My most

recent searches have even brought up the issue of dehydrating food to get it

into the form it needs to be in for it to be packaged as a powder, or to

compress it into a tablet, or fill up capsules renders it to be very deficient

compared to its fresh form.

In 2009, while I was detoxifying, I was eating like a pig and eating a clean

diet. I was doing the best I knew to do to keep good quality food my food

choices. But as the second of those two years progressed, I knew that my body

was not responding to the quantities of healthy food I was eating, so I tried to

find whole food supplements to help fortify my diet. But at the end of the year,

I can say that I still have not found any.

I wonder what your thoughts are.

________________________________

From: algaelady1 <carol@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Sat, February 5, 2011 10:24:12 PM

Subject: Re: HGH

Ok, I guess I really don't care if you agree with me or not. I have been doing

this for many many years and I know what I say to be fact. And the glory of

whole foods and whole food supplements is that you don't have to be all that

careful about supplementation - it's food - you don't have to be careful any

more than you have to be careful about eating broccoli or carrots or turnip

greens. You're thinking about artificial supplements again - those you do have

to be careful with. Most people don't understand the concept of a whole food

supplement, so you are in good company.

Carol

[Guest guest]

The company doesn't claim their algae is a complete food. This analysis shows a

trace or less of EPA and DHA, and the comment on the page refers to inadequate

ALA to make sufficient DHA and EPA.

Here's the EFA analysis:

<http://www.a-vital-life.com/page.php?p=essential_fatty_acids>

(quote):

Eicosapentanoic Acid (EPA) 0.4% .04 mg

Docasapentaenoic Acid (DPA) <0.1%* <.01 mg

Docasahexaenoic Acid (DHA) <0.1%* <.01 mg

*Note: Some analyses have detected DHA and DPA in very small quantities

That clearly means deficiency as opposed to being a complete food. Is this paper

not from company whose products you sell?

Algae is without a doubt one of several superfoods. I've been a proponent since

around the mid-1970s when I read about the US military study on spirulina. But

knowing that all of them fall short of being " complete foods " is useful to

people who want to fill in the gaps and in this case it seems, traps.

Complacency in this case of deficiency is bad, and ignoring known deficiency is

better reserved for ones own person and not the general public.

... For the naturally bonded cysteine, the glutathione precursor, we need about

30 grams of concentrated precursors and though there are only two concentrated

choices we know about, undenatured whey or raw egg white, in short, albumin.

Neither would qualify as a whole food but when there are no whole food options

one might have to bend just a little rather than induce a deficiency.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Ok, I guess I really don't care if you agree with me or not. I have been

doing this for many many years and I know what I say to be fact. And the glory

of whole foods and whole food supplements is that you don't have to be all that

careful about supplementation - it's food - you don't have to be careful any

more than you have to be careful about eating broccoli or carrots or turnip

greens. You're thinking about artificial supplements again - those you do have

to be careful with. Most people don't understand the concept of a whole food

supplement, so you are in good company.

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lyn,

When you are looking for a whole food supplement, make sure the ingredient is

one food. I use aphanizomenon flos aquae organic blue green algae -

http://tinyurl.com/g1iz - It is dried at a low temperature to assure the

nutrients and enzymes are not destroyed. Low temp is very important. The

capsule is made out of plant fiber and water. (I don't recommend the tablet

form, as they need to use " tabletizing agents " .) Bee pollen is also considered

a complete food and you can get that in capsule form too.

Whole food supplements are made with a concentrated version of a whole food -

the " whole " food, not extracts of it (because then it would no longer be a whole

food). They will look like supplements, but when you take these supplements

the body recognizes them as whole food. They are not chemical extracts or

single elements, like vitamin C or beta carotene. They are the whole food,

concentrated.

There are very few companies that understand the concept of how to take a food

and manufacture it and put it in a supplement form without denaturing all the

nutrients and without killing the enzymes. You want to ask these questions

about your supplements to find out if it is a whole-food supplement:

(1) Were the vegetables/grains/fruits/etc. used in this supplement

organically grown? Are they free of pesticides?

(2) Were fillers used in the supplements?

(3) Were the extracts heat-processed? (Heat should not be used because it

will kill the enzymes.)

(4) How many words are on the ingredient label? It should be one word, or

one food - the whole food that was concentrated and put in the capsule.

The human body is not designed to consume isolated nutrients and use them

effectively. It must take in a full spectrum of supporting complementary

nutrients as they exist in nature. Your body needs a whole complement of

vitamins/minerals/chlorophyll/amino acids/protein/etc. from a lot of different

sources.

For example, lycopene is one nutrient found in tomatoes. But if you take

lycopene by itself, it's not going to have the positive effect of eating whole

tomatoes or taking whole-food concentrates made from dried organic tomatoes. So

getting these minerals in their full-spectrum natural ratios (ratios which

they're found in nature) is very important.

If you were to take 10 tomatoes and dry them, and then grind them up into a

powder, and then shape that powder into capsules and consume those, you could

easily eat those 10 tomatoes and enjoy all their nutritional benefits. It's all

about the density of nutrients. Same with the algae I eat - I wouldn't eat 2

cups of algae, but I eat 8 or 10 capsules and get the same nutrition, because of

how it was dried and preserved.

Carol

> My question for you is, who really has a whole-food supplementation product?

It seems like you already use one. I have not found any in my own searches. My

most recent searches have even brought up the issue of dehydrating food to get

it into the form it needs to be in for it to be packaged as a powder, or to

compress it into a tablet, or fill up capsules renders it to be very deficient

compared to its fresh form.

>

> In 2009, while I was detoxifying, I was eating like a pig and eating a clean

diet. I was doing the best I knew to do to keep good quality food my food

choices. But as the second of those two years progressed, I knew that my body

was not responding to the quantities of healthy food I was eating, so I tried to

find whole food supplements to help fortify my diet. But at the end of the year,

I can say that I still have not found any.

> I wonder what your thoughts are.

[Guest guest]

Woops - you forgot to add the most important part -

Approximately 45% of the lipids (fats) within SBGA are essential fatty acids.

EFAs and algae.

Aphanizomenon flos-aquae algae, the ultimate photosynthesizer, contains both LA*

and ALA• in an ideal balance (more ALA). The researchers at Massachusetts

General Hospital who studied its fat content concluded that Aphanizomenon

flos-aquae was a good source of the most valuable fatty acids and " should be a

valuable nutritional resource " (Kushak et al. Favorable effects of blue-green

algae Aphanizomenon flos-aquae on rat plasma lipids. JANA 2(3):59-65).

Interestingly, they found that it raises the blood levels of the good fatty

acids far more than would be expected based on its ALA content alone. They

concluded that something about the algae - probably its range of micronutrients

- was helping the animals to utilize the fatty acids they were getting from

other sources as well as those in the algae. The balancing effect was

impressive: not only did the levels of " good " fatty acids (ALA, EPA, DHA) go up,

but also the levels of the troublemaker, arachidonic acid, went down.

> Here's the EFA analysis:

> <http://www.a-vital-life.com/page.php?p=essential_fatty_acids>

> (quote):

> Eicosapentanoic Acid (EPA) 0.4% .04 mg

> Docasapentaenoic Acid (DPA) <0.1%* <.01 mg

> Docasahexaenoic Acid (DHA) <0.1%* <.01 mg

[Guest guest]

-- In Coconut Oil , " algaelady1 " <carol@...> wrote:

>

>snip>

> The human body is not designed to consume isolated nutrients and use them

effectively. It must take in a full spectrum of supporting complementary

nutrients as they exist in nature. Your body needs a whole complement of

vitamins/minerals/chlorophyll/amino acids/protein/etc. from a lot of different

sources.

>

Hi Carol,

That's why I mix a TBS of Green Max Powder into a smoothie or applesauce once a

day. You can find all the ingredients (including Sea Algae from a number of

sources) here:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR009/ItemDetail?n=0

They also have a whole food Multi-Vitamin & Mineral. It even tastes good to chew

:-)

Scroll down for all the whole foods it contains:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU152/ItemDetail?n=0

Best,

Dee

[Guest guest]

Hi Carol,

I don't know a lot about colostrum, but I thought that it was the most complete

whole food on the planet. Do you have comparisons?

Thanks,

AHZ

> >

> > Carol, yes I pointed out the low selenium in algae previously; the

discussion can be found by entering selenium algae in the forum's search box.

> >

> > I pointed out that you'd need to eat 2 pounds of algae daily in order to

meet the selenium shortfall, to which you replied that you wouldn't eat that

much yourself, you wouldn't recommend it, and you wouldn't supplement the

shortfall either. So your assertion that " everything is in there " is deceiving,

inaccurate, and your glib reply that you wouldn't suggest supplementation, even

given this probable deficiency, is a disservice to readers who trust your

information to be accurate.

> >

> > I'm sure there would be other examples; I believe vitamin B12 for example

isn't as bioavailable in algae as the marketers said it is. I note also that the

army will no longer entertain algae bricks as a complete whole food, although I

agree with the army that it was a great concept if it could be done.

> >

> > Point is, algae is not really complete, and saying it represents all the

nutritional elements does not address the real question of whether each element

is adequate. It is not, thus deficient by definition.

> >

> > So I'd supplement.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> > --- In Coconut Oil , " algaelady1 "

> > > But you have never told me what deficiency you have found in the blue

green algae. Because I don't believe you can find any.

> > >

> > > I do not have an unreasonable fear of isolated supplements. I have a

reasonable fear of my body becoming unbalanced by taking those isolated

supplements. Your body does not want megadoses of stuff. I have a reasonable

fear that most isolated/synthetic supplements are sourced from China.

> > > Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Carol, of the fatty acids in algae, most people are cutting back on omega-6

linoleic acid (LA) to reduce inflammation, while omega-3 alpha linolenic acid

(ALA, LNA) has no known use in the body except that perhaps 2% can be converted

into the real essential omega-3 fatty acid DHA; that is, IF the conversion

pathway is not already loaded with omega-6 unsaturated oil as is normally the

case in developed countries.

So I don't see an advantage in algae's EFA content, which ranges from marginally

useful to some people to primarily inflammatory in most, at least in developed

countries, which we are mainly communicating with, so I wrote it off as neutral

input at best given your low dose of 2 grams total algae contents in four

capsules.

Two percent conversion of 200 mg or so LNA is less than a speck, so even if your

conversion process was not impaired a daily dose of 2 grams of algae would not

meet your EFA need by a long shot. This is referred to in your post of the

company's comment, which proposes that the algae may help one utilize fatty

acids from other sources (such as cod liver oil or krill oil) that algae does

not provide enough of itself.

So, no I didn't forget, Carol, I didn't mention the inflammatory omega-6 or the

neutral omega-3 EFA in algae because at that dose I didn't feel the need to

belabour the point I posted online about flax oil several years ago in the

Budwig Diet Revision:

http://tinyurl.com/Budwig

all good,

Duncan

>

> > Here's the EFA analysis:

> > <http://www.a-vital-life.com/page.php?p=essential_fatty_acids>

> > (quote):

> > Eicosapentanoic Acid (EPA) 0.4% .04 mg

> > Docasapentaenoic Acid (DPA) <0.1%* <.01 mg

> > Docasahexaenoic Acid (DHA) <0.1%* <.01 mg

>

[Guest guest]

Wow Duncan, you just don't give up do you. I know you don't understand the

concept of whole food supplements, so let's just stop.

Carol

>

> Carol, of the fatty acids in algae, etc etc etc etc etc etc etc

[Guest guest]

AHZ, I don't know a lot about colostrum either, except that it's the perfect

food for newborn babies, whether human babies or animal babies. I do know that

the amino acid profile of aphanizomenon flos aquae organic blue green algae is

the same amino acid profile of human milk. Other than that I don't know, sorry.

Carol

>

> Hi Carol,

>

> I don't know a lot about colostrum, but I thought that it was the most

complete whole food on the planet. Do you have comparisons?

>

> Thanks,

> AHZ

>

[Guest guest]

I completely agree with super greens products; one of my buds of ten years ago

had worked with wheatgrass researcher Ann Wigmore. According to research, algae

can make nutrients in other foods more available so it would seem a blend is

much better than algae or plankton alone.

My choice today is AMgenex DNA with sulforaphane, which turns on genetic

expression for 200 genes that affect biology including glutathione production.

It contains extracts of several top medicinal superfruits. I stopped selling it

but you can get it from Pat Coulter at http://amegahawaii.com

all good,

Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Carol:

I only offered proof that opposes your contention that algae is complete and

requires no supplemetation, using your company's own literature. I agree with

many of your whole foods arguments.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Wow Duncan, you just don't give up do you. I know you don't understand the

concept of whole food supplements, so let's just stop.

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

It's common knowledge today that some amino acids in milk proteins come

exclusively from animals. This is what trips up the vegans most of the time.

Also, some fatty acids and some sugars in milk never occur in plants. From this,

it's easy to see that plant products categorically can not have the " same

profile as human milk " , and there are other examples in both occurrence and

concentration.

all good,

Duncan

>

> AHZ, I don't know a lot about colostrum either, except that it's the perfect

food for newborn babies, whether human babies or animal babies. I do know that

the amino acid profile of aphanizomenon flos aquae organic blue green algae is

the same amino acid profile of human milk. Other than that I don't know, sorry.

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

Well, apparently this " common knowledge " is incorrect, because Aphanizomenon

flos aquae organic blue green algae contains all twenty amino acids - ten

essential and ten non-essential, and this is unique among all food plants.

Please stop, because you obviously know not of what you speak.

Carol

>

> It's common knowledge today that some amino acids in milk proteins come

exclusively from animals.

[Guest guest]

I would assume that Carol sells an algae supplement, and as such, she's

completely behind it, as is everyone I've ever met selling blue green algae. If

I made my living, or even a decent percentage of my living, selling something, I

might be tempted to defend it to the end. (I mean no disrespect to you, Carol.)

I don't think it serves any purpose to try to convince an algae seller that

their product isn't all that their company claims. I don't know if she's part of

the algae pyramid (or multi-level marketing, if you prefer) schemes (programs?)

that used to be everywhere, but I do recall the companies involved with that

used strong brainwashing techniques on their sellers. (Again, no disrespect

intended.)

M

> >

> > It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to

understand that. It can't be compared to isolated/synthetic pills. Whole Food

- Fake Vitamin Pills - different.

> >

> > Carol

> >

>

[Guest guest]

HAHAHAHAHA

Go ahead - you believe what you want to. I really don't care. Let it rest!

You are into the isolated/synthetic mind set, and if " some is good then more

must be better " , as are so many people who just don't understand the concept of

a whole food supplement. I am sure everyone is sick to death of your ranting,

as were the people on the other forum(s) that you were kicked out of.

Carol

> >

> > It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to

understand that. It can't be compared to isolated/synthetic pills. Whole Food

- Fake Vitamin Pills - different.

> >

> > Carol

> >

>

[Guest guest]

And the same goes for the products that Duncan promotes. Just because he

promotes more than one, and that he doesn't sell some of them any more - the

fact remains he has sold them at one time and been equally " brainwashed " , in my

opinion, by company claims. In all fairness to Carol, however, I think most of

us realize she is promoting the algae as a supplement and not suggesting that

one should eat it instead of food. On the other hand, Duncan may be correct in

that the blue green algae may not be necessarily complete if one is not eating a

diet (or supplementing) with the missing ingredients. Personally, I like to

cover all the bases :-)

All the Best,

Dee

> > >

> > > It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to

understand that. It can't be compared to isolated/synthetic pills. Whole Food

- Fake Vitamin Pills - different.

> > >

> > > Carol

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Do you really believe many others on this list are not sick of your rating

Carol?

Check out this little flow cart I came upon the other day. I feel there is

a point in re-iterating one's position after both sides agree to disagree,

just to clarify the debate in the minds of those other listmates who have no

clear position on the matter, but beyond that, the constant re-emphasis of

the same position, without any new information or links to *HARD DATA*

become very tiresome.

Alobar

On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 3:27 PM, algaelady1 <carol@...> wrote:

> HAHAHAHAHA

> Go ahead - you believe what you want to. I really don't care. Let it

rest! You are into the isolated/synthetic mind set, and if " some is good

then more must be better " , as are so many people who just don't understand

the concept of a whole food supplement. I am sure everyone is sick to death

of your ranting, as were the people on the other forum(s) that you were

kicked out of.

>

> Carol

>

>

>> >

>> > It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to

understand that. It can't be compared to isolated/synthetic pills. Whole

Food - Fake Vitamin Pills - different.

>> >

>> > Carol

>> >

[Guest guest]

I personally enjoy Duncans remarks, he is well versed in nutrition and sounds

very intelligent.

From: Dolores <dgk@...>

Subject: Re: HGH

Coconut Oil

Date: Monday, February 7, 2011, 3:05 PM

 

And the same goes for the products that Duncan promotes. Just because he

promotes more than one, and that he doesn't sell some of them any more - the

fact remains he has sold them at one time and been equally " brainwashed " , in my

opinion, by company claims. In all fairness to Carol, however, I think most of

us realize she is promoting the algae as a supplement and not suggesting that

one should eat it instead of food. On the other hand, Duncan may be correct in

that the blue green algae may not be necessarily complete if one is not eating a

diet (or supplementing) with the missing ingredients. Personally, I like to

cover all the bases :-)

All the Best,

Dee

> > >

> > > It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to

understand that. It can't be compared to isolated/synthetic pills. Whole Food -

Fake Vitamin Pills - different.

> > >

> > > Carol

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think it's entirely wrong, Carol, to say that I have an isolated/synthetic

mind set. I'm into whole food; nearly all of my diet is whole food and I grow

some of my own food. I have read the nutritional analyses of many whole foods in

order to determine where they were deficent, and I reported on some of those

deficencies in algae with regard to alleviating them with yeast, another

superfood, and by combining algae with other foods.

Myself, I use fish oil for the missing DHA and EPA because I don't want to eat

fish every day. I realise squeezed fish is no more a whole food than squeezed

orange juice to you but a lot of time we use extracts, squeezed or peeled

fruits, or an animal with the hide pulled off. I guess if you ate the coconut

husk and all it might qualify as whole food in your mind. At least you don't

have to eat the whole tree, or if you do, the opportunity is there for the

purists.

Fact is, many things are not available in the concentrations we need them, a

whole food diet isn't optimal but subsistence with natural deficiencies, and

concentrating deficient nutritents is where the health food industry shines.

Your ad-hom attacks are unwelcome Carol. Grow up.

all good,

Duncan

>

> HAHAHAHAHA

> Go ahead - you believe what you want to. I really don't care. Let it rest!

You are into the isolated/synthetic mind set, and if " some is good then more

must be better " , as are so many people who just don't understand the concept of

a whole food supplement. I am sure everyone is sick to death of your ranting,

as were the people on the other forum(s) that you were kicked out of.

>

> Carol

>

[Guest guest]

I think what got me, Dee, was Carol's insistence her algae is not low in any

nutritional ingredient. The research I've read I'm sure helped to " brainwash " my

opinion but it remains available there for scrutiny and we can certainly discuss

what it means; I think reading it should be a requirement for health

professionals and marketers.

I agree with you that Carol was giving us marketing blather without thinking

about crunching the data she has available. I agree with your point, and you

might recall I first suggested it to her, that eating algae as a staple food

would be closer to meeting her objective of nutritional completeness with it;

further, I suggested 2-4 pounds daily, but she prefers capsules in the amount of

1/450 of a serving.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > I would assume that Carol sells an algae supplement, and as such, she's

completely behind it,

[Guest guest]

Whole foods are great and they should be the goal, but they are still

just food. While they are compact, two or three pills are never going

to be equal to a serving of asparagus or broccoli. Also consider that

when you take a pill, you bypass the normal chewing and digestive

process. Certainly, a great deal is lost there also. I laugh when I

see my wife taking three chlorella tablets and thinking that it is doing

much for her health.

On the other hand, I subscribed to Dr. Bruce Cambell's newsletter for a

few years and saw how he cured many grave conditions using mainly whole

food supplements. There is a rational for using them; however, anything

can be taken to the extreme.

I would say that any green veggie from my garden is most likely equal to

about any food that you could find in nature. It grows from composted

food scraps and humus soil that is full of earthworms... what more is

there.

Regards,

Jim

>It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to

understand that. It can't be compared to >isolated/synthetic pills.

Whole Food - Fake Vitamin Pills - different.

>Carol

>

> For all the wholeness and completeness of Carol's preferred algae

product, the fact remains that the nutritional profile on the product

website she provided shows that the recommended four capsule dosage

contains almost negligible amounts of basic nutrients. People with

critical thinking skills aren't going to overlook that.

>

> Sure, whole foods are great; the bulk of my diet is fresh whole

foods. But, it would be really foolish to think that eating a scant one

or two grams of any of those whole foods is going to magically confer

super health benefits. So what if Carol's algae contains 20 amino acids;

four capsules still only contain less than one gram of protein, which is

a tiny fraction of any human's daily needs. A balanced diet containing a

variety of natural whole foods will provide vastly more basic nutrients

than four capsules of algae. It could be that there are other, unusual,

health-promoting substances in algae beyond just basic nutrients, but

promoting it on the virtue of its basic nutrients, when the recommended

dosage contains very little of them, is ridiculous.

[Guest guest]

In Duncan's defense, I have been reading his opinions fow many years

now and he is extremely versed on the products that he has sold. He has

done his homework. It is always a pleasure to know someone who is well

informed and passionate about their products. To his credit, he still

advocates the products that he has stopped selling. You have to respect

that.

Regards,

Jim

>And the same goes for the products that Duncan promotes. Just because

he promotes more than one, and that he >doesn't sell some of them any

more - the fact remains he has sold them at one time and been equally

" brainwashed "

,> in my opinion, by company claims. In all fairness to Carol, however,

I think most of us realize she is promoting the >algae as a supplement

and not suggesting that one should eat it instead of food. On the other

hand, Duncan may be >correct in that the blue green algae may not be

necessarily complete if one is not eating a diet (or supplementing) with

>the missing ingredients. Personally, I like to cover all the bases :-)

All the Best,

Dee

[Guest guest]

Very good addition to the conversation, Jim...

Another factor to consider is the state of our digestive system and how

well we are absorbing our nutrients...

I too am on the same page of what we grow is better to eat...

and that food should be our medicine...

and lol...that is not found at fast food joints...

I am also appreciative of herbs / herbal tinctures as when they are

taken under the tongue, the digestive system is partially bypassed, so if it

is compromised, we can get a greater benefit from taking herbs in this manner.

We need to enhance our digestive system as for many of us, it may be

compromised.

 

That being true...

Spirulina and bee pollen are complete foods...some here may call them whole

foods...

and they are good...perhaps a helpful way to think about them, may be to say:

if I were stranded on an island...what would I most want to have there with

me...

The answer to that may different from person to person...but we are all seeking

the same thing: to optimize our health.

D - certified herbal tincture specialist.

From: Huuman <huuman60@...>

Subject: Re: HGH

Coconut Oil

Date: Tuesday, February 8, 2011, 12:03 PM

 

Whole foods are great and they should be the goal, but they are still

just food. While they are compact, two or three pills are never going

to be equal to a serving of asparagus or broccoli. Also consider that

when you take a pill, you bypass the normal chewing and digestive

process. Certainly, a great deal is lost there also. I laugh when I

see my wife taking three chlorella tablets and thinking that it is doing

much for her health.

On the other hand, I subscribed to Dr. Bruce Cambell's newsletter for a

few years and saw how he cured many grave conditions using mainly whole

food supplements. There is a rational for using them; however, anything

can be taken to the extreme.

I would say that any green veggie from my garden is most likely equal to

about any food that you could find in nature. It grows from composted

food scraps and humus soil that is full of earthworms... what more is

there.

Regards,

Jim

>It's a WHOLE FOOD!! I'm sorry I can't convey that to get people to

understand that. It can't be compared to >isolated/synthetic pills.

Whole Food - Fake Vitamin Pills - different.

>Carol

>

> For all the wholeness and completeness of Carol's preferred algae

product, the fact remains that the nutritional profile on the product

website she provided shows that the recommended four capsule dosage

contains almost negligible amounts of basic nutrients. People with

critical thinking skills aren't going to overlook that.

>

> Sure, whole foods are great; the bulk of my diet is fresh whole

foods. But, it would be really foolish to think that eating a scant one

or two grams of any of those whole foods is going to magically confer

super health benefits. So what if Carol's algae contains 20 amino acids;

four capsules still only contain less than one gram of protein, which is

a tiny fraction of any human's daily needs. A balanced diet containing a

variety of natural whole foods will provide vastly more basic nutrients

than four capsules of algae. It could be that there are other, unusual,

health-promoting substances in algae beyond just basic nutrients, but

promoting it on the virtue of its basic nutrients, when the recommended

dosage contains very little of them, is ridiculous.