Re: CO with Flax

[Guest guest]

I think combining coconut as well as cod liver oil with your flax oil would be a

good idea.

The Budwig Diet revision is supported by medical research.

all good,

Duncan

>

> I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in my

Budwig mix be a good idea ?

>

[Guest guest]

Dr. Budwig created Oleolux as a replacement for butter on cooked foods. It

consisted of Flaxseed Oil, VCO and the juices of sauted onion and garlic, so the

coconut oil was an approved oil by her. I consume 4 to 6 Tbs. of VCO daily but

at different times than FOCC mix.

Craig

>

> I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in my

Budwig mix be a good idea ?

>

[Guest guest]

Craig,

Good to know this. Thank you ! The VCO brings you what benefits mainly ? You

have been following the FOCC a long time ?

Finest Regards,

> >

> > I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in my

Budwig mix be a good idea ?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

I don't believe that Dr. Budwig or anyone connected with her protocol has

approved your revision, so I think it would be more honest to call it the " Crow "

protocol. Then maybe we could compare her 50 years of healing over 1,000 cancer

and other patients with your expeerience. Otherwise, some may become confused

and follow your suggestion thinking they were doing the " Budwig " protocol.

Regards,

Craig

> >

> > I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in my

Budwig mix be a good idea ?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

The first and main benefit that I noticed from VCO was an increase of energy and

I noticed it after 3 weeks of consuming it. You know how it is when you are

healthy and you take supplements because of something you read or heard, but you

never feel any different. Well, it wasn't that way with CO. After 3 weeks I felt

a definite boost in energy.

Myself and my girlfriend have been taking the FOCC since Dec 09 and we both feel

in good health. We both take a few other supplements as well as Duncan's

protocol on Whey and selenium and think highly of it.

There's all kinds of advice out there, but you have to weed out the " chaff " and

find what works for you.

Regards.

Craig

> > >

> > > I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in

my Budwig mix be a good idea ?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-12 8:42 PM, crgstef wrote:

> Dr. Budwig created Oleolux as a replacement for butter on cooked foods.

> It consisted of Flaxseed Oil, VCO and the juices of sauted onion and

> garlic, so the coconut oil was an approved oil by her. I consume 4 to 6

> Tbs. of VCO daily but at different times than FOCC mix.

Yuck! Fresh high quality raw (grass-fed) butter is such a powerful

health food (and so delicious), why on earth would anyone want to

replace it with anything, especially as bad as flax oil?

[Guest guest]

Craig, getting a vote of approval from Budwig followers, a sect that I have no

links to, is out of the question. The peer-reviewed data for the Budwig Diet

revision requires no approval by peoples' families to speak for itself. That the

data supports a change from a 50-year old method that has not been similarly

supported in the past only inflames zealots my friend, not the truly

inquisitive.

People who are not followers approve of the revision, and followers like

yourself can do what they like as well. Some are still using flax oil but they

won't use cottage cheese anymore.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

> I don't believe that Dr. Budwig or anyone connected with her protocol has

approved your revision, so I think it would be more honest to call it the " Crow "

protocol. Then maybe we could compare her 50 years of healing over 1,000 cancer

and other patients with your expeerience. Otherwise, some may become confused

and follow your suggestion thinking they were doing the " Budwig " protocol.

>

> Regards,

>

> Craig

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

I routinely add an acid ( apple cider vinegar) and a sugar ( raw honey) to my

Flax Oil/Cottage Cheese Budwig protein mix. I would do the same for the revised

version you are referring to. Dr Kousmine advised the use of an acid, she

preferred lemon juice, to the FOCC Budwig mix. Also, Dr D C Jarvis, author of

" Arthritis and Folk Medecine " found that consuming apple cider vinegar diluted

in water with proteins was a good association.

Does this approach make sense ?

> >

> > I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in my

Budwig mix be a good idea ?

> >

>

[Guest guest]

PS I meant adding an acid to the FOCC or the revised BP.

> > >

> > > I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in

my Budwig mix be a good idea ?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Can some one write a summary why flax oil is not so great. I don't use it anyway

but it (flac oil) has quite a following in many Helath circles...

Frantz

> Dr. Budwig created Oleolux as a replacement for butter on cooked foods.

> It consisted of Flaxseed Oil, VCO and the juices of sauted onion and

> garlic, so the coconut oil was an approved oil by her. I consume 4 to 6

> Tbs. of VCO daily but at different times than FOCC mix.

Yuck! Fresh high quality raw (grass-fed) butter is such a powerful

health food (and so delicious), why on earth would anyone want to

replace it with anything, especially as bad as flax oil?

[Guest guest]

L, did the doctors not give a reason for adding acid to the flax oil

aside from palatibility? Seems the approach has little to do with the oil

itself, as acid and oils don't mix. What kind of " association " was proposed with

the apple cider vinegar? As to the sugar or honey, this would not be relevant to

a Budwig follower, would it?

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in

my Budwig mix be a good idea ?

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Well, an acid might assist stomach acidity but not by much; the kind of acidity

that is needed is about 1000 times more acid than a lemon.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Of the two main fatty acids in flax oil, linoleic is already in excess in most

diets and as such is inflammatory, so we strive to limit linoleic to what is

necessary and nothing more. About 2% of the linolenic acid in flax oil at best

can be converted to EPA and DHA if one's linoleic acid is not excessive, and

otherwise has no known function in the body except perhaps as a fuel. EPA and

DHA that have been used in cancer research are plentiful in fish oil. I have the

research anbstracts on the Budwig Diet Revision page:

http://tinyurl.com/Budwig

So it seems the flax oil can be net inflammatory, it does not posess the

anticancer benefit on its own, it vibrates at a lower frequency than higher

unsaturated oils such as fish oil do, and it attracts oxygen less than fish or

krill oil.

I think the benefits of flax oil were exaggerated by the seed oil companies and

that their advertising has skewed public perception.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Can some one write a summary why flax oil is not so great. I don't use it

anyway but it (flac oil) has quite a following in many Helath circles...

> Frantz

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan, there appears to be several reasons. The one that I retained was that

its to counterbalance the thickening of the blood from the protein. Thicker

blood means potential higher BP and less blood available for the brain. It also

helps to keep the blood chemistry and endocrine systems balanced as the protein

is digested.

> > > >

> > > > I am a firm believer in Flax oil. Would combining the two ( FO + CO ) in

my Budwig mix be a good idea ?

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Perhaps cottage cheese casein thickens blood, but that is specifically avoided

in the Budwig Diet revision. Seems the cottage cheese involves a bit more risk

than using whey, yes?

Thickening blood as one ages results from the reduced production of the only

fibrinolytic enzyme the body makes (plasmin). Falling plasmin levels can be

propped up with BlockBuster AllClear, which contains synergistic compounds

nattokinase, serrapeptase and SeaProse-S.

Blood also flows better as inflammation is reduced and microcirculation

improves. Doing this also is a property of the enzymes.

A metabolic (not digestive) enzyme program is a valuable anti-aging tool that

obviates the need for warfarin, and as such should appeal to about 1/5 the

elderly population.

See: Metabolic Enzymes Reduce Heart Attack and Stroke, the #1 ranked page in a

Gooogle search on metabolic enzymes references, ahead of even WIKI

http://tinyurl.com/enzyme0

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > L, did the doctors not give a reason for adding acid to the flax oil

aside from palatibility? Seems the approach has little to do with the oil

itself, as acid and oils don't mix. What kind of " association " was proposed with

the apple cider vinegar? As to the sugar or honey, this would not be relevant to

a Budwig follower, would it?

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Lets not forget that the substance created by the mixture of FO and CC is not

either one but something different,and presumably a synergy is created.

As an example, the local biochemists have a tea recipe: its turmeric, green

tea and black pepper. Positively the yuchiest tasting mix you could ever

imagine. While the three ingredients are fine in and of themselves, steeped

together for several minutes they create a synergy that is greater than the sum

of its parts. They create a very powerful molecule which is apparently quite the

cancer buster.

So I think that the power of the FOCC mix is in the synergistic effect of the

two in combination.

Is there a synergy created when combining fish oil with whey protein ?

I guess what I am saying is the power is in the product of the synergy. And

some mixes create more synergy than others. Many of her contemporaries wished

her the Nobel prize because they admired her work.

Beliveau, who holds the Chair for Cancer Prevention and Treatment at

Université of Québec has actually charted the synergy, in mesurable values, that

is created by the tea recipe I mentioned above.

http://www.mcgill.ca/translational-research-cancer/researcher-biographies/belive\

au

Duncan, I guess what I am saying is the synergy can be amazing. I am convinced

that consuming cottage cheese in the morning and a couple of Tsp of flax oil

later would be vastly inferior to the FOCC mix Dr Budwig was advocating.

> > >

> > > L, did the doctors not give a reason for adding acid to the flax

oil aside from palatibility? Seems the approach has little to do with the oil

itself, as acid and oils don't mix. What kind of " association " was proposed with

the apple cider vinegar? As to the sugar or honey, this would not be relevant to

a Budwig follower, would it?

> > >

> > > all good,

> > >

> > > Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

, mixing an oil with a water-based protein can produce an emiulsified

blend but emulsifation does not improve the solubility of either fraction.

Further, the theory that some kind of cold fusion happens that transforms the

blend molecularly into something synergistic has never been ratified or the

mechanism even proposed for testing.

And yes, synergy can be amazing but we can usually detail the reactions involved

in the cases where it is true.

It is my sincerest wish to remain unaffected by folklore, and I think that's

what it is.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

> Lets not forget that the substance created by the mixture of FO and CC is

not either one but something different,and presumably a synergy is created.

> As an example, the local biochemists have a tea recipe: its turmeric,

green tea and black pepper. Positively the yuchiest tasting mix you could ever

imagine. While the three ingredients are fine in and of themselves, steeped

together for several minutes they create a synergy that is greater than the sum

of its parts. They create a very powerful molecule which is apparently quite the

cancer buster.

> So I think that the power of the FOCC mix is in the synergistic effect of

the two in combination.

> Is there a synergy created when combining fish oil with whey protein ?

> I guess what I am saying is the power is in the product of the synergy. And

some mixes create more synergy than others. Many of her contemporaries wished

her the Nobel prize because they admired her work.

>

> Beliveau, who holds the Chair for Cancer Prevention and Treatment at

Université of Québec has actually charted the synergy, in mesurable values, that

is created by the tea recipe I mentioned above.

>

>

http://www.mcgill.ca/translational-research-cancer/researcher-biographies/belive\

au

>

> Duncan, I guess what I am saying is the synergy can be amazing. I am

convinced that consuming cottage cheese in the morning and a couple of Tsp of

flax oil later would be vastly inferior to the FOCC mix Dr Budwig was

advocating.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

Two words in your last sentence is important: " I think... " . Other people think

otherwise, especially a Bio chemist that spent 50 years healing over 1,000

patients of cancer and other ailments. Maybe you should do a double blind test

on the " CROW " protocol?

Craig

> >

> > Duncan,

> > Lets not forget that the substance created by the mixture of FO and CC is

not either one but something different,and presumably a synergy is created.

>

[Guest guest]

If a biochemist with 50 years experience produced some lab work, I would find it

fascinating Or, another biochemist who replicated the lab work to confirm the

theory. " I think " we're still waiting.

Hey, I'd really be interested in real experimental support of any quantum

theories.

The " crow protocol " has several approaches, each one of which " I think " has been

proven on its own. The references are included at least.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

> Two words in your last sentence is important: " I think... " . Other people think

otherwise, especially a Bio chemist that spent 50 years healing over 1,000

patients of cancer and other ailments. Maybe you should do a double blind test

on the " CROW " protocol?

> Craig

>

[Guest guest]

Why would anyone use flaxseed oil? To become healthy or save their life, I

suppose. I was answering a question had regarding the Budwig protocol. I

like healthy butter also, but its not everything.

Regards,

Craig

> > Dr. Budwig created Oleolux as a replacement for butter on cooked foods.

> > It consisted of Flaxseed Oil, VCO and the juices of sauted onion and

> > garlic, so the coconut oil was an approved oil by her. I consume 4 to 6

> > Tbs. of VCO daily but at different times than FOCC mix.

>

> Yuck! Fresh high quality raw (grass-fed) butter is such a powerful

> health food (and so delicious), why on earth would anyone want to

> replace it with anything, especially as bad as flax oil?

>

[Guest guest]

I just searched Budwig references again and the reason my site comes up first in

a Google search, " I think " , is because of the absence of Budwig references from

Budwig or any other biochemist on this subject.

While some independent research has analysed flax oil in rats and mice, nothing

comes up on cottage cheese or the combination of FO/CC.

<http://www.naturaltherapycenter.com/pages/Scientific-References-for-Dr-Budwig.h\

tml>

What I'm looking for is verification of that elusive alchemical reaction that is

purported by Budwig followers to moleculary alter flax oil and cottage cheese.

Also, proof that CC renders the oil more soluble, as opposed to emulsified,

would be nice, but the first point would interest me the most. Those are the

claims that would certainly provoke the interest of a biochemist, even one

without 50 years experience. " I think " the theory was a guess, and " I think " I

smell a 60-year old quantum myth.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Duncan,

> > Two words in your last sentence is important: " I think... " . Other people

think otherwise, especially a Bio chemist that spent 50 years healing over 1,000

patients of cancer and other ailments. Maybe you should do a double blind test

on the " CROW " protocol?

> > Craig

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I find her results facinating. There are other clinics using her protocol &

others with some medical standing recommending it.

Also, JB was practicing up to the time of her death in 2002, so it's misleading

to say that it's a 50 year old protocol like it's a Model T Ford.

Hey, I believe in a certain amount of fish oil and also whey too, but here you

go twising again comparing two separate items (yours) with a mixture (JB's). I

don't believe there's any references on your two items working synergistically

together. Am I wrong?

JB had many years of positive results and I've had personal knowledge of results

also, as well as results claimed monthly on their boards.

Craig

> >

> > Duncan,

> > Two words in your last sentence is important: " I think... " . Other people

think otherwise, especially a Bio chemist that spent 50 years healing over 1,000

patients of cancer and other ailments. Maybe you should do a double blind test

on the " CROW " protocol?

> > Craig

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Here is a partial. Not what you said you were looking for, but it's just as good

as yours.

" Flaxseed, a rich source of omega-3 fatty acids and lignans, put the brakes on

prostate tumor growth in men who were given 30 grams of flaxseed daily for a

month before surgery to treat their prostate cancer. The 40 men taking flaxseed,

either alone or along with a low-fat diet, were compared to 40 men only

following a low-fat diet, and 40 men in a control group who did not alter or

supplement their usual diet. Men who took flaxseed, as well as those who took

flaxseed combined with a low-fat diet did the best.

Lead author, Duke University researcher Demark-Wahnefried, believes the

omega-3s in flaxseed alter how cancer cells lump together or cling to other

cells, while flaxseed's anti-angiogenic lignans choke off the tumor's blood

supply, thus helping to halt the cellular activity that leads to cancer growth.

Journal of Clinical Oncology, 2007 ASCO Annual Meeting, Abstract 1510. "

The seeds help fight all kinds of cancer and various other diseases.

Craig

> > >

> > > Duncan,

> > > Two words in your last sentence is important: " I think... " . Other people

think otherwise, especially a Bio chemist that spent 50 years healing over 1,000

patients of cancer and other ailments. Maybe you should do a double blind test

on the " CROW " protocol?

> > > Craig

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Craig, no I haven't seen research that shows synergistic action between whey

and fish oil or between cottage cheese and flax oil either.

Budwig suggested sulfur-rich proteins are the most important part of cottage

cheese for her purpose, and undenatured whey is the most bioavailable sulfur

rich protein on the planet, and there's no reason to expect it to not synergise

just as well. It brings a full suite of properties including anticancer

properties to the table, which of course cottage cheese doesn't aside from

providing the organic sulfur.

If Budwig had had the opportunity to see the cancer research around undenatured

whey, " I think " she would have investigated it and probably made the logical

Budwig diet revision on her own.

Synergy huh? Cottage cheese improved the score of flax oil alone by how much?

Alobar mentioned recently that he encountered a slightly different scenario with

regard to the Budwig protocol than you have. Results when they are true do look

interesting, but supposed, unwarranted or unsupported attributions to a product

or method are supremely disinteresting to me. What I'd really like to see is a

better separation of unproven or myth from fact because the myths confuse people

and also makes the commendations look somewhat less meaningful.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > If a biochemist with 50 years experience produced some lab work, I would

find it fascinating Or, another biochemist who replicated the lab work to

confirm the theory. " I think " we're still waiting.

> >

[Guest guest]

Sorry to just jump in here, but didn't JB use quark, not cottage cheese in

her protocol?? Not exactly sure what a difference that might or might not

make.....

Judy

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 12:14 AM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

>

>

> Hi Craig, no I haven't seen research that shows synergistic action between

> whey and fish oil or between cottage cheese and flax oil either.

>

> Budwig suggested sulfur-rich proteins are the most important part of

> cottage cheese for her purpose, and undenatured whey is the most

> bioavailable sulfur rich protein on the planet, and there's no reason to

> expect it to not synergise just as well. It brings a full suite of

> properties including anticancer properties to the table, which of course

> cottage cheese doesn't aside from providing the organic sulfur.

>

> If Budwig had had the opportunity to see the cancer research around

> undenatured whey, " I think " she would have investigated it and probably

> made the logical Budwig diet revision on her own.

>

> Synergy huh? Cottage cheese improved the score of flax oil alone by how

> much?

>

> Alobar mentioned recently that he encountered a slightly different scenario

> with regard to the Budwig protocol than you have. Results when they are true

> do look interesting, but supposed, unwarranted or unsupported attributions

> to a product or method are supremely disinteresting to me. What I'd really

> like to see is a better separation of unproven or myth from fact because the

> myths confuse people and also makes the commendations look somewhat less

> meaningful.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > >

> > > If a biochemist with 50 years experience produced some lab work, I

> would find it fascinating Or, another biochemist who replicated the lab

> work to confirm the theory. " I think " we're still waiting.

> > >

>

>

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