Re: CO with Flax

[Guest guest]

Tx Craig. I'll keep it. I read the flax seed studies, the whey studies, the fish

oil rice bran and IP-6 studies, beta glucans, transfer factor, aloe vera, sea

vegetables and other polysaccharides, the high pH/cesium therapy work (I have

ozone gear), even the HGH studies; all can cure cancer, and they probably can

work together too (especially with a raw food diet). Some people speculate that

what cures cancer can likely act as a preventive too and I can't disagree

with the notion.

Flax oil isn't a very rich source of the omega-3 fatty acids used by cells,

which are DHA and EPA, so my money is on the antioxidants and lignans more than

the linolenic acid in the flax oil.

If it's true that the vibrational aspect of the oil is important, the

unsaturation, thus the frequency of fish oil or hemp oil, would be of interest

as it is higher. If the omega-3's are important, the fish oil supplies them. If

attraction to oxygen is important, fish oil. Because fish oil worked in the

research even alone it seems to be a good bet. Seems many therapies are

oil-heavy huh?

Incidentally one of the studies on Budwig-related cancer references I referred

to earlier today used fish oil, the one near the bottom that specifies FO, C, E

(on mice I think).

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<http://www.naturaltherapycenter.com/pages/Scientific-References-for-Dr-Budwig.h\

tml>

Here are some on rice bran:

http://www.nutraceaonline.com/ricebranstudies

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > I just searched Budwig references again and the reason my site comes up

first in a Google search, " I think " , is because of the absence of Budwig

references from Budwig or any other biochemist on this subject.

> >

[Guest guest]

Yeah, quark and cottage cheese are the same. When we had a cow we used to make

organic cottage cheese by the same recipe as the quark recipe given online

today. Add thick cream to taste and stir after hanging it for a few days in the

cheesecloth.

all good,

Duncan

> > > >

> > > > If a biochemist with 50 years experience produced some lab work, I

> > would find it fascinating Or, another biochemist who replicated the lab

> > work to confirm the theory. " I think " we're still waiting.

> > > >

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[Guest guest]

From what I understood, the cottage cheese is made with milk, while quark is

made with buttermilk. Supposedly, quark has the whey and cottage cheese

does not.

Admittedly, I haven't studied for many years as you have, so I'm really only

a beginner here.

Personally, I love cottage cheese, but just don't see many benefits to

eating it, so seldom do anymore.

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 1:14 AM, Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...> wrote:

> Yeah, quark and cottage cheese are the same. When we had a cow we used

> to make organic cottage cheese by the same recipe as the quark recipe given

> online today. Add thick cream to taste and stir after hanging it for a few

> days in the cheesecloth.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

> > > > >

> > > > > If a biochemist with 50 years experience produced some lab work, I

> > > would find it fascinating Or, another biochemist who replicated the

> lab

> > > work to confirm the theory. " I think " we're still waiting.

> > > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

>

> I just searched Budwig references again and the reason my site comes up first

in a Google search, " I think " , is because of the absence of Budwig references

from Budwig or any other biochemist on this subject.

That's funny Duncan. When I searched the references your name did not come up

until I searched for Duncan Crow's Budwig revision.

>

> While some independent research has analysed flax oil in rats and mice,

nothing comes up on cottage cheese or the combination of FO/CC.

>

Well, when I went to your site Duncan I noticed you have lots of references on

whey and fish oil (all good), but nothing comes up on the synergic combination

of the two either.

>> snip:->. " I think " the theory was a guess, and " I think " I smell a 60-year

old quantum myth.

Well Duncan, since your revision is based on that " myth " then yours must be a

myth as well, no? And if yours is not merely a theory, then where are the

testimonials that your combination kills cancer? In the meantime, there are

these:

http://www.cancure.org/budwig_diet.htm

quote: Thousands have been helped by her protocol. Testimonials can be found for

almost every type of cancer and tumors, even late stage. Dr. Budwig has assisted

many seriously ill individuals, even those given up as terminal by orthodox

medical practitioners, to regain their health through a simple regimen of

nutrition. The basis of Dr. Budwig's program is the use of flaxseed oil blended

with low-fat cottage cheese. "

She wasn't a seven time Nobel Prize nominee for nothing. But who knows, your

revision may work just as well - but it's just a guess.

All Good,

Dee

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-16 11:54 AM, Dolores wrote:

> She wasn't a seven time Nobel Prize nominee for nothing.

Question: what category were her nominations in?

The reason I ask is, many sites state specifically that she was an

ALTERNATIVE nobel prize nominee... there are a total of SIX, which are

very different from the real deal in that *anyone* can nominate *anyone*

(open nomination process).

So, this claim sounds fishy to me...

[Guest guest]

Entering budwig revision or budwig references, in either Gooogle or Bing shows

my resource page in #1 position, yup. Budwig fatty acids puts it in #2 in Google

and #1 in Bing.

I agree that the flax oil/cottage cheese alchemy/synergy theories should be

investigated because such a claim confuses people and surprises biologists.

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Excellent points, Alobar!!!

Judy

On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 2:52 AM, Alobar <Alobar@...> wrote:

>

>

> Back in the 1980s, I was one of the very few people I knew who was

> using a computer. I doubt many of those folks are still using their

> VIC 20's, Apple ][ computers or IBM computers with dual floppy disks.

> They may own old computers, but they do not rely on them today.

>

> Budwig did important work, but that was a long time ago. Yet, there

> is not much in the way of coming up with adaptations of Budwig

> protocol which are even more effective. No researcher has all the

> answers. We keep discovering newer and better ways to understand

> health and disease.

>

> I used to be on a list pushing her diet. Some of the folks subjected

> themselves to radiation, chemo, and surgery while taking the Budwig

> protocol. Nobody ever talked about whether cancer remission came from

> Flax and cottage cheese, or from radiation/chemo/surgery. When people

> dropped off the list, was it because they were cured? Or because they

> died?

>

> To the best of my knowledge, no research was ever done to follow

> adherents of Budwig over a decade or longer.

>

> In times of great fear and uncertainty, many humans turn to religions

> and cults. Belief and faith cloud the mind and prevents folks from

> examining alternatives.

>

> To give an example. Drs Klenner and Cathcart did remarkable work

> using massive IV Vitamin C. Using liposomal Vitamin C taken orally

> can be just as effective as IV injections of Vitamin C, but at much

> lower doses. Thus more gentle on the human body. Same is true in

> other areas of Health and disease control. But when any particular

> health practice becomes enshrined by a cult of true believers,

> progress is brought to a halt.

>

> To my way of thinking, neither Craig nor Duncan can produce proof

> growing out of long-term studies. Duncan says " I think " which I feel

> is honest. Be nice if both Craig and Duncan agreed to disagree and

> ceased picking nits which just prolong this thread without adding any

> new hard information.

>

> Alobar

>

> On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 10:15 PM, crgstef <crgstef@...> wrote:

> > Duncan,

> > Two words in your last sentence is important: " I think... " . Other people

> think otherwise, especially a Bio chemist that spent 50 years healing over

> 1,000 patients of cancer and other ailments. Maybe you should do a double

> blind test on the " CROW " protocol?

>

> > Craig

> >

> >

> >> >

> >> > Duncan,

> >> > Lets not forget that the substance created by the mixture of FO and

> CC is not either one but something different,and presumably a synergy is

> created.

> >>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, if you add the word " revision " you will come first, etc. But anyone who has

developed a web site knows that your position in google is determined by the

words you enter into your source page. Here is yours:

TITLE>Budwig Diet Revision - with references</TITLE>

and in the:

<META NAME=KEYWORDS content= " Budwig, Joanna,diet,protocol,essential,fatty,acids,

EFAs, EFA, oils, fats, cancer, tumour,anti-

The search engines troll for the words in the TITLE and META NAME=KEYWORDS next.

Therefore your place in the search has nothing to do with the value of the

content - not that yours doesn't have value. Just saying it's virtually

meaningless. I only mention this because you've referred to your place in the

search engine several times before.

Dee

>

> Entering budwig revision or budwig references, in either Gooogle or Bing shows

my resource page in #1 position, yup. Budwig fatty acids puts it in #2 in Google

and #1 in Bing.

>

> I agree that the flax oil/cottage cheese alchemy/synergy theories should be

investigated because such a claim confuses people and surprises biologists.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-16 3:43 PM, Dolores wrote:

> Yes, if you add the word " revision " you will come first, etc. But anyone

> who has developed a web site knows that your position in google is

> determined by the words you enter into your source page. Here is yours:

This is really getting tiring... would you please stop playing hall

monitor for the list?

[Guest guest]

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that was your new job.

> > Yes, if you add the word " revision " you will come first, etc. But anyone

> > who has developed a web site knows that your position in google is

> > determined by the words you enter into your source page. Here is yours:

>

> This is really getting tiring... would you please stop playing hall

> monitor for the list?

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-16 3:57 PM, Dolores wrote:

> Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that was your new job.

Ok, that's enough, another one for my kill file...

Bye-bye Duh...

[Guest guest]

Hi Duncan:

A patent is about to be issued in the next few weeks on a device that is

entirely based on and demonstrates quantum theory. When that occurs,

you will have all of the proof that you need that it absolutely produces

effects. These would be considered God-like to most of today's

scientists (and thus be ignored), but the demonstrable results are far

too astounding and overwhelming for that to happen.

Cheers,

Jim

>If a biochemist with 50 years experience produced some lab work, I

would find it fascinating Or, another biochemist who replicated the

lab work to confirm the theory. " I think " we're still waiting.

Hey, I'd really be interested in real experimental support of any

quantum theories.

The " crow protocol " has several approaches, each one of which " I think "

has been proven on its own. The references are included at least.

all good,

Duncan<

[Guest guest]

> > Why would anyone use flaxseed oil? To become healthy or save their life,

> > I suppose.

>

> Then 'they' would be making a mistake...

>

Many are alive today and healthy after " making a mistake. "

[Guest guest]

> > Here is a partial. Not what you said you were looking for, but it's just

> > as good as yours.

> > " Flaxseed,

>

> Two points...

>

> flaxseed != flax seed oil

>

> I agree with Duncan that it is most likely the antioxidants/lignans that

> produced the beneficial results... although a 40 man study is not much

> of one, and 'did the best' is not much to go on as to actual results.

>

> Lastly, this study has nothing to do with the Budwig protocol, so is not

> directly supportive of her therapy, only WHOLE flaxseed.

>

On the contrary, daily consumption of whole ground flaxseed is a very important

part of the Budwig protocol.

[Guest guest]

>

> Entering budwig revision or budwig references, in either Gooogle or Bing shows

my resource page in #1 position, yup. Budwig fatty acids puts it in #2 in Google

and #1 in Bing.

>

> I agree that the flax oil/cottage cheese alchemy/synergy theories should be

investigated because such a claim confuses people and surprises biologists.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

Who is confused? Maybe you? And what biologists are surprised? I think you're

reaching now and it's time to put the boots on. It's getting a little deep.

[Guest guest]

The mother of a friend of mine was 84 when she was diagnosed with terminal lung

cancer and given 1 to 2 months to live. My friend started her on the Budwig

flaxoil/cottage cheese and she lived for over 3 years before peacefully passing

away. Whats more is that during those 3 years she looked to be in excellent

health and her spirits were good. The doctors were completely dumbfounded and in

amazement.

No amount of nay saying will convince me that Dr Budwig's work is without

foundation.

> >

> > Entering budwig revision or budwig references, in either Gooogle or Bing

shows my resource page in #1 position, yup. Budwig fatty acids puts it in #2 in

Google and #1 in Bing.

> >

> > I agree that the flax oil/cottage cheese alchemy/synergy theories should be

investigated because such a claim confuses people and surprises biologists.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> Who is confused? Maybe you? And what biologists are surprised? I think you're

reaching now and it's time to put the boots on. It's getting a little deep.

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-19 12:31 AM, crgstef wrote:

> Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@...> wrote:

>> On 2011-03-15 11:30 PM, crgstef wrote:

>>> Why would anyone use flaxseed oil? To become healthy or save their life,

>>> I suppose.

>> Then 'they' would be making a mistake...

> Many are alive today and healthy after " making a mistake. "

Luckily for us all, most mistakes don't result in instant death.

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-19 9:20 AM, wrote:

> The mother of a friend of mine was 84 when she was diagnosed with

> terminal lung cancer and given 1 to 2 months to live. My friend started

> her on the Budwig flaxoil/cottage cheese and she lived for over 3 years

> before peacefully passing away. Whats more is that during those 3 years

> she looked to be in excellent health and her spirits were good. The

> doctors were completely dumbfounded and in amazement.

And if she (and anyone else) was willing to do the Budwig protocol, I'm

wondering what *other* dietary habits she (or anyone else doing the

protocol) may have changed at the same time that may have contributed.

Also, did she do the radiation/chemo or whatever else the docs were

recommending? If not, that would also contribute to a longer, happier

end of life.

And of course, just her state of mind. Many people beat cancer after

being given a death sentence just based solely on their willingness to

refuse to give up. I have heard of many people who have laughed their

way healthy.

> No amount of nay saying will convince me that Dr Budwig's work is

> without foundation.

I don't think anyone is saying it is totally without foundation...

Just that there is a lot of room for improvement.

[Guest guest]

In order to improve something, you have to understand it.

> > The mother of a friend of mine was 84 when she was diagnosed with

> > terminal lung cancer and given 1 to 2 months to live. My friend started

> > her on the Budwig flaxoil/cottage cheese and she lived for over 3 years

> > before peacefully passing away. Whats more is that during those 3 years

> > she looked to be in excellent health and her spirits were good. The

> > doctors were completely dumbfounded and in amazement.

>

> And if she (and anyone else) was willing to do the Budwig protocol, I'm

> wondering what *other* dietary habits she (or anyone else doing the

> protocol) may have changed at the same time that may have contributed.

>

> Also, did she do the radiation/chemo or whatever else the docs were

> recommending? If not, that would also contribute to a longer, happier

> end of life.

>

> And of course, just her state of mind. Many people beat cancer after

> being given a death sentence just based solely on their willingness to

> refuse to give up. I have heard of many people who have laughed their

> way healthy.

>

> > No amount of nay saying will convince me that Dr Budwig's work is

> > without foundation.

>

> I don't think anyone is saying it is totally without foundation...

>

> Just that there is a lot of room for improvement.

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-19 11:18 AM, wrote:

> In order to improve something, you have to understand it.

Correct... and I think Duncan understands it very well. He at least

provides some logical, scientific evidence in support of his contentions.

[Guest guest]

No chemo.. just added Budwig protocol in part only.

> > The mother of a friend of mine was 84 when she was diagnosed with

> > terminal lung cancer and given 1 to 2 months to live. My friend started

> > her on the Budwig flaxoil/cottage cheese and she lived for over 3 years

> > before peacefully passing away. Whats more is that during those 3 years

> > she looked to be in excellent health and her spirits were good. The

> > doctors were completely dumbfounded and in amazement.

>

> And if she (and anyone else) was willing to do the Budwig protocol, I'm

> wondering what *other* dietary habits she (or anyone else doing the

> protocol) may have changed at the same time that may have contributed.

>

> Also, did she do the radiation/chemo or whatever else the docs were

> recommending? If not, that would also contribute to a longer, happier

> end of life.

>

> And of course, just her state of mind. Many people beat cancer after

> being given a death sentence just based solely on their willingness to

> refuse to give up. I have heard of many people who have laughed their

> way healthy.

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think so. In any case, you make you own decisions. I have decided to

stay with the Dr Budwig's recommendations.

> > In order to improve something, you have to understand it.

>

> Correct... and I think Duncan understands it very well. He at least

> provides some logical, scientific evidence in support of his contentions.

>

[Guest guest]

PS I agree state of mind is very important. Very indeed.

> > > The mother of a friend of mine was 84 when she was diagnosed with

> > > terminal lung cancer and given 1 to 2 months to live. My friend started

> > > her on the Budwig flaxoil/cottage cheese and she lived for over 3 years

> > > before peacefully passing away. Whats more is that during those 3 years

> > > she looked to be in excellent health and her spirits were good. The

> > > doctors were completely dumbfounded and in amazement.

> >

> > And if she (and anyone else) was willing to do the Budwig protocol, I'm

> > wondering what *other* dietary habits she (or anyone else doing the

> > protocol) may have changed at the same time that may have contributed.

> >

> > Also, did she do the radiation/chemo or whatever else the docs were

> > recommending? If not, that would also contribute to a longer, happier

> > end of life.

> >

> > And of course, just her state of mind. Many people beat cancer after

> > being given a death sentence just based solely on their willingness to

> > refuse to give up. I have heard of many people who have laughed their

> > way healthy.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Craig, if there had been proof of a molecular difference between emulsified

quark and flax oil vs. these ingredients before emulsifying them, given that you

seem to have the most experience on this list with the theory, I'm sure you

would have presented facts to support it if they existed. So, please do put your

boots on and go get some.

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Entering budwig revision or budwig references, in either Gooogle or Bing

shows my resource page in #1 position, yup. Budwig fatty acids puts it in #2 in

Google and #1 in Bing.

> >

> > I agree that the flax oil/cottage cheese alchemy/synergy theories should be

investigated because such a claim confuses people and surprises biologists.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

> >

> Who is confused? Maybe you? And what biologists are surprised? I think you're

reaching now and it's time to put the boots on. It's getting a little deep.

>

[Guest guest]

I'm with you on the success of Budwig's and other alt-health approaches;

I've posted some research and some testimonials and I follow similar news,

research, and the opinions of honest commentators/researchers like Ralph Moss.

To me, mythical properties being claimed for or attributed to health substances

without some kind of substantiation should be investigated before they are

promoted. If the flax oil and cottage cheese had been sold pre-mixed they'd have

had to prove the medical claim of the alchemical reactions. But the textbook

recipe is not a substance so by law proof of molecular change does not have to

be offered and none was ever offered.

Again, I have nothing against alt-health; I don't think the Budwig approach is

without foundation but I think dogma doesn't belong in it either.

all good,

Duncan

> > >

> > > Entering budwig revision or budwig references, in either Gooogle or Bing

shows my resource page in #1 position, yup. Budwig fatty acids puts it in #2 in

Google and #1 in Bing.

> > >

> > > I agree that the flax oil/cottage cheese alchemy/synergy theories should

be investigated because such a claim confuses people and surprises biologists.

> > >

> > > all good,

> > >

> > > Duncan

> > >

> > Who is confused? Maybe you? And what biologists are surprised? I think

you're reaching now and it's time to put the boots on. It's getting a little

deep.

> >

>