RE: Kombucha ? / Bee Wilder's anti-candida diet

February 17, 2011

Wondering about Kombucha...

I read candida is a fungus...and that kombucha is too...

and that when one is trying to rid oneself of candida, it is best not to

have the intake of another fungus, such as kombucha...

anyone here know if that is true...

d

>

> A standard reduced-carb anti-candida diet similar to Bee's, with the

> addition of inulin, selenium, and undenatured whey, which she advises

> against for egotistical reasons, cuts recovery time by about 80%.

>

> Bee advises to not supplement potassium, even while taking high salt, which

> causes issues such as hypertension and rhabdomyolysis. This advice has

> caused harm. Also, parroting unsupported comments such as that vinegar,

> alcohol, mushrooms, yeast and certain other foods should be avoided are

> incorrect.

>

> But opinions and actual data are censored if they that contradict Bee's pet

> beliefs, and the is offender banned from her discussion group, sometimes

> with Bee following them and e-harassing them as well. It got to be so bad

> that when people figured out they were being lied to by a megalomaniac her

> group's defectors joined the candidasis group in waves just to get the

> correct information. Although some maintained interest in both groups, one

> can discuss real dietary concerns on any group but Bee's. Here are some

> comments; note that even the candidasis moderator says, " [please] refer to

> Bee's diet with the content and not the web page. There are still people

> here that are hurt by things that went on over there, both mentally and

> physically. ...I agree with Duncan and many others that some of the things

> she is leaving out should be included in ones diet. " :

> ><http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/comments.html>

>

February 17, 2011

It was true for me, but I had gone past candida and had dysbiosis and leaky gut.

bee wilder says leaky gut does not exist.....I am here to say she is wrong. I

did better with no fermented foods...I used a naturopath and followed a step by

step program (that included diet, supplements, probiotics and inulin) and made

great gains in two months and continued gain ground much more rapidly than Bee's

one month for every sick year.

All my posts were deleted from her site because I wasn't a good disciple and she

attacked me on another list.

Joan

Wondering about Kombucha...

I read candida is a fungus...and that kombucha is too...

and that when one is trying to rid oneself of candida, it is best not to

have the intake of another fungus, such as kombucha...

anyone here know if that is true...

d

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If you don't do this already, put fermented foods into your diet like Kombucha,

kefir, kimchee, raw apple cider vinegar with mother, sour kraut, sour dough

bread not made with regular yeast.

________________________________

February 17, 2011

When I checked several years ago I didn't find evidence to support the

contention that one should avoid fungus if they have candida; however, I did

find data that contradicts it. The gist of it is:

1) Candida is always present in the gut and so are several species of fungi,

perhaps a pound of them we know little about, but they aren't causing problems

at even that weight, more than a serving size.

2) Fungi have similar sugar signatures and candida don't generally eat them.

Thus, some tend to compete with candida on some candida-edible substrates.

3) Two saccharomyces (brewers and bakers yeasts), are often on the avoid list in

candida diets but they are in many anti-candida preparations to quickly and

transiently outcompete candida without being eaten by it. Naturally probiotic

bifidobacteria is supposed to fill in as the transient brewers/bakers yeast dies

back.

4) Mushrooms in a meal don't seen to produce candida flares in many people.

Mushrooms are generally thought to be good for you for the polysaccharides. I

think raw is probably better; if mushrooms or yeast are pressure cooked or

really broken down, some polysaccharide breakdown should occur. In that case

some residual sugars of the correct type would probably be broken off in sizes

that would appeal to candida. It's hard to say the actual extent of that without

experiment.

Although it isn't a controlled environment, I can accept as evidence that after

about 8 years in the candidiasis group, most by far reported no reaction to long

chain inulin, undenatured whey, mushrooms, alcoholic beverages containing no

sugar including very dry wine, vinegar (which bowel lining cells actually live

on), butter, and maybe a couple of other foods that are sometimes on an

anti-candida list.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Wondering about Kombucha...

> I read candida is a fungus...and that kombucha is too...

> and that when one is trying to rid oneself of candida, it is best not to

> have the intake of another fungus, such as kombucha...

> anyone here know if that is true...

> d

>

February 18, 2011

Well, in Bee's defence, at the end of the day it's her diet - and it does work

for a lot of people.

She feels it is better to go slowly when recovering so as not to flood the body

with too many released toxins - and having been through that myself by trying

different things in the past, I can completely understand why she says that. I

was very sick as a result of toxin release overload.

If you can reach the end goal, does it matter how fast you get there? Better to

get there rather than not. As I mentioned, I spent years trying different

things, but it took just 9 months on Bee's diet for me to really start to see

some results. I know this is not going to happen overnight - I took years to

get to this point, but at least I know I am now working towards healing rather

than degeneration.

Bee has her protocol, Duncan has his protocol - each does what they think is

best. It has to be stuck to otherwise it would end up all over the place. At

least Bee is open-minded enough to change her protocol when she finds a better

understanding of an issue. If someone comes in and starts to challenge it, then

it is her right to defend it, just as it would be for anyone else who 'operates'

a healing or dietary regime. I don't see that as being wrong. Just because we

don't understand something does not mean it is wrong.

Coconut oil, whilst a fantastic food, is only part of the bigger picture.

Some think that some of Bee's concepts - that the body makes germs for instance,

to be pretty wild, but on the other hand it does explain certain things - and

the fact that bacteria are there just to clean up detritus does make a lot of

sense. I look at all the 'Establishment' advice out there and see that it is in

such opposition to what we should be doing - the 'eat low-fat', avoid salt, and

for me as a diabetic 'eat plenty of starchy carbs' rubbish, that I am rapidly

coming to the conclusion that what is right is more likely to be the complete

opposite of everything we have been told is 'true'!

If you think of a Candida 'invasion' as merely a tool the body uses to digest

the overwhelming quantity of carbs that our bodies just can't - and were never

designed - to cope with - it changes it from a pathogenic nightmare into a

by-product of circumstance. If you remove the circumstance, by radically

lowering the cause, the 'pathogen' will eventually go away. Makes sense. Cause

and effect....

This system has us running round in circles - scared stiff of 'germs' and their

potential to wreak havoc on us, but are the germs the cause - or are they merely

a by-product of disease? It is true that whilst certain germs are often present

at a disease site, they are not always there. As was pointed out, if the germ

is not there, they don't call it diptheria, they call it something else...

I could go on and on with this but I will leave it there. It does make you

think though. Just because another person's opinion tells you something is right

or wrong - doesn't make it right or wrong. We each have to find the best route

ourselves.

At the moment, I am doing ok on mine.

Regards, Ali.

>

> It was true for me, but I had gone past candida and had dysbiosis and leaky

gut. bee wilder says leaky gut does not exist.....I am here to say she is

wrong. I did better with no fermented foods...I used a naturopath and followed

a step by step program (that included diet, supplements, probiotics and inulin)

and made great gains in two months and continued gain ground much more rapidly

than Bee's one month for every sick year.

>

> All my posts were deleted from her site because I wasn't a good disciple and

she attacked me on another list.

>

> Joan

>

> Wondering about Kombucha...

>

> I read candida is a fungus...and that kombucha is too...

>

> and that when one is trying to rid oneself of candida, it is best not to

>

> have the intake of another fungus, such as kombucha...

>

> anyone here know if that is true...

>

> d

>

> -

>

> If you don't do this already, put fermented foods into your diet like

Kombucha,

>

> kefir, kimchee, raw apple cider vinegar with mother, sour kraut, sour dough

>

> bread not made with regular yeast.

>

> ________________________________

>

February 18, 2011

You got that right:

You said: " I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that what is right is more

likely

to be the complete opposite of everything we have been told is 'true'! " Â

Mainstream medicine has a lot vested in keeping us sick...

In the final analysis, every one must become their own doctor...

we are all like snowflakes in how we respond to various protocols...so we need

to be tuned into our own bodies and watch the effect...thoi sometimes as you

say, there willbe a release of toxins that is good, despiteÂ it feeling bad...

There are good anti-candida herbal tinctures to get rid of it...

d

From: Alison <alibamford@...>

Subject: Re: Kombucha ? / Bee Wilder's anti-candida

diet

Coconut Oil

Date: Friday, February 18, 2011, 5:16 AM

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Well, in Bee's defence, at the end of the day it's her diet - and it does

work for a lot of people.