Guest guest Posted June 21, 2011 Report Share Posted June 21, 2011 Checked the archives first on heart worms and there was a post in 2005 Not much help though. Has anybody used vco for their dogs heartwoms? Or any natural products? thanks in advance mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Candace, Look into MMS (activated sodium chlorite = chlorine dioxide). This will kill them but too much can cause anemia in dogs. Google Jim Humble/MMS for info and dosing. Using a very small amount should do the trick. Colloidal silver might work but would only kill the eggs as it will kill single celled organisms only. Have you tried feeding coconut oil? Bob Re: Heartworms >I am also VERY interested in anything that will eradicate heartworms in >dogs. I have a " rescue " --actually just a couple dozen dogs I've picked up >on the road where they were dumped--and it's rare when I find a heartworm >negative dog. In the past, a twice-monthly dose of Heartgard or plain >ivermectin would get rid of heartworms in about a year, but ivermectin has >become ineffective in my area. Most vets around here don't even sell it >anymore. I don't have $500 per dog for traditional vet treatment and it's >impossible to place a HW+ dog in a good home. > > If anyone has a solution, please LMK. > > Best, > Candace > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 One of my favorite sites is www.earthclinic.com for natural cures including for pets.Check it out! Lots of coconut oil recommendations on that site... > > Checked the archives first on heart worms and there was a post in 2005 > Not much help though. Has anybody used vco for their dogs heartwoms? Or any natural products? > thanks in advance > mike > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Have you heard of/tried diatomaceous earth? Pretty sure I read this can kill them, and it's good for them--actually good for people too, not only for killing parasites but as a good source of silica, which is good for eye, skin, nails & hair. --Leah > > I am also VERY interested in anything that will eradicate heartworms in dogs. I have a " rescue " --actually just a couple dozen dogs I've picked up on the road where they were dumped--and it's rare when I find a heartworm negative dog. In the past, a twice-monthly dose of Heartgard or plain ivermectin would get rid of heartworms in about a year, but ivermectin has become ineffective in my area. Most vets around here don't even sell it anymore. I don't have $500 per dog for traditional vet treatment and it's impossible to place a HW+ dog in a good home. > > If anyone has a solution, please LMK. > > Best, > Candace > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Wondering what you do feed your dog... As most, if not all commercially produced feed is grain based... Tho my choc lab like romaine and broccoli raw... d ________________________________ From: " ransley@... " <ransley@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Fri, June 24, 2011 9:54:40 AM Subject: Re: Heartworms The easiest non-pesticide *treatment* and *preventative* for heartworms is salt and iodine. There is no cure! You can prevent massive microfilarial infestation of the blood and prevent mature worms growing in the heart but you can never totally *cure* this if the dog ever gets mosquito-bitten in any area where the mosquitoes are known to carry the infestation. The marketed " natural " treatments are based on the same things that are common anti-parasiticals for humans: arsenic or cyanide. Personally I prefer salt and iodine. By far the worst thing you can do to a dog, that weakens it and makes it vulnerable to the infestation, is to feed it grain based food. I live in an area where the problem originated, the southeast coast. It is impossible to prevent infection here but it is possible through diet to prevent maturity of worms in the heart and excess microfilaria in the bloodstream. If you take your dog to a vet here, they will ALWAYS find heartworms and will always want you to put the dog on their pesticides. Make no mistake, those pesticides will slowly debilitate your dog. You must make a choice between that and living with heartworms but keeping them under control. If a dog develops a chronic cough here, it's heartworms. The treatment is to restrain the dog, severely limit its activity and limit its food and water to that containing iodine and salt until it stops coughing and perks up. It's tricky business, takes many days, but I've done it several times. But it never stops. The real trick is to develop a schedule of it before they get mature worms. I don't have a dog now. It's nearly cruel to keep an outdoor dog here and I'm in no position right now to keep an indoor one. The last dog we had was a beagle. She loved to hunt but there's just too many mean critters in the woods here and she got attacked, injured, and got scared. I was keeping her heartworms under control for four years. I eventually gave her to my Mom who lives much further inland where the woods have more rabbits and fewer mean critters. They immediately took her to a vet who pronounced her with heartworms. Of course she did. They spent many hundreds on the dog for heartworms despite my admonition of how to control them. Then they let her run all the time and a coyote or a weasel got her. That's why you always have beagles in packs. Lone beagles get killed because their hunting and fighting instincts are bigger than their size. Kind of off the subject now... DaddyBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 I switched from the grain based to the lamb and rice food.good point about nutrition acidic or akaline diets? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Don How does one calculate the dosage in the tintures? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Daddybob I live in the southeast also you are right, the mosquitoes are bad. Due to recent events this one has to be a housedog(security) That maybe to his good. Less exposure . mike ps thanks for sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 If we were to be able to get worms in our bloodsteam how would we do we treat ourselves? Could it be done? Beck or clark methods? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 I have had nothing but good results with diatomaceous earth, I ordered it from " Earthworkshealth.com. It has not only helped us internally, but it has gotten rid of fleas on our cats, and small ants in the kitchen. It is really a wonderful product, and not toxic in any way. ________________________________ From: SYLVIA PRICE <LadyofYorkies@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Thu, June 23, 2011 11:45:04 PM Subject: Re: Re: Heartworms Yeah, but watch it around little kids, they love to play in it. I bought the smallest amount I could find locally, a 25 lb bag. Put it in a container with a lid and my 2yo grandson got it open and spread all over the famlyroom floor. Good thing it is concrete not carpeted. LOL Sylvia On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 7:24 PM, Leah <wenandleah@...> wrote: > Have you heard of/tried diatomaceous earth? Pretty sure I read this can > kill them, and it's good for them--actually good for people too, not only > for killing parasites but as a good source of silica, which is good for eye, > skin, nails & hair. > > --Leah > > > > > > I am also VERY interested in anything that will eradicate heartworms in > dogs. I have a " rescue " --actually just a couple dozen dogs I've picked up > on the road where they were dumped--and it's rare when I find a heartworm > negative dog. In the past, a twice-monthly dose of Heartgard or plain > ivermectin would get rid of heartworms in about a year, but ivermectin has > become ineffective in my area. Most vets around here don't even sell it > anymore. I don't have $500 per dog for traditional vet treatment and it's > impossible to place a HW+ dog in a good home. > > > > If anyone has a solution, please LMK. > > > > Best, > > Candace > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 Well it depends on the size / wt of the dog... I had a choc lab...75 # +/- so id gice her 5 drops in her jowl/ cheek / lips... 1 or 2 times a day... sometimes 10 drops if I was sure it would be ok... or put a few drops on her foot and she'd lick it off... I did not use either mugwort or black walnut...they are [pretty strong...so I'd start w/ 2 drops for a smaller dog one time a day and see how that goes... I used something for kidneys. as I saw she was having some difficulty... but then she was an herbal type dog... on her own she went out and ate dandelion blossoms... d ________________________________ From: michaelinde <michaelinde@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Fri, June 24, 2011 9:52:10 PM Subject: Re: Heartworms Don How does one calculate the dosage in the tintures? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2011 Report Share Posted June 24, 2011 You can use the zapper... I also think there are herbs like olive leaf and lapacho for that... d ________________________________ From: michaelinde <michaelinde@...> Coconut Oil Sent: Fri, June 24, 2011 10:02:32 PM Subject: Re: Heartworms If we were to be able to get worms in our bloodsteam how would we do we treat ourselves? Could it be done? Beck or clark methods? mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I'll try to answer several questions with this reply... Dosages of salt and iodine- study up on the therapeutic doses of these for humans and use similar weight related doses based on the dog's weight. For salt- study up on brine therapy. Salt works better when in brine form. Iodine- with everything I've learned, I'd use potassium iodide for this but I'd watch the dog carefully for any signs of overdose. That's confusing because treating for heartworms and filaria will always make the dog sick. Like I said, this is tricky. You have to develop a feel for it and you'll get no help from a standard vet for it. (green) Black Walnut hull treatments- that's arsenic. Treatments from apricot pits are cyanide. I fed my dogs as much meat as possible and also used rice and lamb or rice and chicken bagged foods. Corn and wheat are the grains to really avoid. Rice may not be truly good for them - or you - but it's not as bad as corn and wheat. Don't fool yourself about the quality or bio-availability of any meat protein in any bagged food. If you have ever been involved in any aspect of the feed producing biz you'd know why. After processing for human food, the only meat left is what can't be cut-off in any way. The carcasses are sent to a rendering plant where any remaining protein is cooked out rapidly under pressure, then that is trucked back to a feed mill. You would never recognize it as meat. Also, " downer " animals usually are used for pet food. Rendered meat is mostly organs and spinal cords. At least though, it usually has gelatin, and that's good. Nevertheless, since we had very active dogs and a large family to play with them, I was able to see with my own eyes the differences in bagged foods in my dogs and there was not always as big of a relation to price as you might think. Sometimes a generic brand came out on top, sometimes it was Purina, but I never found the expensive pet store brands to be worth the money. At least one expensive brand was mostly corn and wheat. That's worm food for dogs. Since we ate a lot of meat and had four kids, our dogs got a lot of good scraps. That was years ago though. The quality of grocery store meat has gone down very badly since then. Grocery store meat is full of pesticides now. We think that an extended family member recently accidentally killed a beloved but aging dog by feeding her raw meat from the local el-cheapo grocery store. It was probably pesticides that did it. We have had experience in our own diet with the effects of pesticide in grocery store meat. About DE- It's going to do absolutely nothing- directly- against heartworms- but- it may help indirectly. It's an excellent source of amorphous silica which is the 3rd leg of a 3-legged stool needed to rebuild tissue (the other two are protein and full spectrum C and bioflavonoid). I've only recently started using DE as a food- yes, a literal food- and the results have been very good. It would seem to be just a good for a dog I think. Properly nourished bodily tissue is more resistant to any pathogen. It's really tough to take proper care of a pet now without bankrupting yourself. Oh yeah- VCO is REALLY GOOD FOR A DOG! I repeat again the story of Smokey Joe, a black lab that stunk so bad that my kids wouldn't play with him- until I fed him VCO and he stopped stinking. Last tip for now- MSM will expel dog's intestinal worms so fast that you'll see them standing up in a stool, looking around, trying to figure out what happened. DaddyBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Every now and then one comes across a member in a board that holds a treasure of knowledge gained either by research or by experience. I believe you have both. I am going to feed off that last post for a while. Thanks daddybob mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 Talk to Marina Z at www.naturalrearing.com about it. I have a friend who swears by black walnut tincture & is a breeder who has used it successfully for years. I believe she mentioned that she orders it from Marina and there is another product that Marina also recommends. For intestinal parasites the group all recommend using FOOD GRADE DE. > > I am also VERY interested in anything that will eradicate heartworms in dogs. I have a " rescue " --actually just a couple dozen dogs I've picked up on the road where they were dumped--and it's rare when I find a heartworm negative dog. In the past, a twice-monthly dose of Heartgard or plain ivermectin would get rid of heartworms in about a year, but ivermectin has become ineffective in my area. Most vets around here don't even sell it anymore. I don't have $500 per dog for traditional vet treatment and it's impossible to place a HW+ dog in a good home. > > If anyone has a solution, please LMK. > > Best, > Candace > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I have Chinese Shar Pei and if any dog will have issues from grain based diet it's these dogs. It causes yeast infections of the ears & skin & other allergy issues that makes their hair fall out. We have been feeding " Taste of The Wild " Salmon & Sweet Potato and as I am able I also provide fresh venison, bone broth with carrots, sweet potatoes, peas, green beans all cooked until soft & processed in the food processor & dumped into the bone broth with brown rice. They love it and the bone broth is supposed to be one of the best things to keep your dog healthy. I know my two have done amazingly on the way I have been feeding them for over a year now. Their weight is perfect, no ear infections, no skin issues and perfect health checkups every year. We live in MI (land of lakes) & mosquitoes are terrible here and I have never had a heartworm positive dog. I am using up the last of my HeartGuard though and switching to Walnut Tincture next summer on the advice of my friend who is a breeder of Chinese Shar Pei & has used it successfully for many years. If you want to stay away from grains, always read the label. Even some foods that say they are grain free are not. If they have wheat flour they are not. Stay away from SOY! > > Wondering what you do feed your dog... > As most, if not all commercially produced feed is grain based... > Tho my choc lab like romaine and broccoli raw... > d > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: " ransley@... " <ransley@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Fri, June 24, 2011 9:54:40 AM > Subject: Re: Heartworms > > > The easiest non-pesticide *treatment* and *preventative* for heartworms is > salt and iodine. There is no cure! You can prevent massive microfilarial > infestation of the blood and prevent mature worms growing in the heart but > you can never totally *cure* this if the dog ever gets mosquito-bitten in > any area where the mosquitoes are known to carry the infestation. > > The marketed " natural " treatments are based on the same things that are > common anti-parasiticals for humans: arsenic or cyanide. Personally I prefer > salt and iodine. > > By far the worst thing you can do to a dog, that weakens it and makes it > vulnerable to the infestation, is to feed it grain based food. > > I live in an area where the problem originated, the southeast coast. It is > impossible to prevent infection here but it is possible through diet to > prevent maturity of worms in the heart and excess microfilaria in the > bloodstream. If you take your dog to a vet here, they will ALWAYS find > heartworms and will always want you to put the dog on their pesticides. Make > no mistake, those pesticides will slowly debilitate your dog. You must make > a choice between that and living with heartworms but keeping them under > control. > > If a dog develops a chronic cough here, it's heartworms. The treatment is to > restrain the dog, severely limit its activity and limit its food and water > to that containing iodine and salt until it stops coughing and perks up. > It's tricky business, takes many days, but I've done it several times. But > it never stops. The real trick is to develop a schedule of it before they > get mature worms. > > I don't have a dog now. It's nearly cruel to keep an outdoor dog here and > I'm in no position right now to keep an indoor one. > > The last dog we had was a beagle. She loved to hunt but there's just too > many mean critters in the woods here and she got attacked, injured, and got > scared. I was keeping her heartworms under control for four years. I > eventually gave her to my Mom who lives much further inland where the woods > have more rabbits and fewer mean critters. They immediately took her to a > vet who pronounced her with heartworms. Of course she did. They spent many > hundreds on the dog for heartworms despite my admonition of how to control > them. Then they let her run all the time and a coyote or a weasel got her. > That's why you always have beagles in packs. Lone beagles get killed because > their hunting and fighting instincts are bigger than their size. Kind of off > the subject now... > > DaddyBob > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2011 Report Share Posted June 25, 2011 I feed my dog Cesar, the first three ingredients of which are animal products; about 1/4 of his diet all told is bones and fat, both cooked and raw. Mine doesn't eat veggies but what he grazes outside. all good, Duncan > > Wondering what you do feed your dog... > As most, if not all commercially produced feed is grain based... > Tho my choc lab like romaine and broccoli raw... > d > > > > > > ________________________________ > From: " ransley@... " <ransley@...> > Coconut Oil > Sent: Fri, June 24, 2011 9:54:40 AM > Subject: Re: Heartworms > > > The easiest non-pesticide *treatment* and *preventative* for heartworms is > salt and iodine. There is no cure! You can prevent massive microfilarial > infestation of the blood and prevent mature worms growing in the heart but > you can never totally *cure* this if the dog ever gets mosquito-bitten in > any area where the mosquitoes are known to carry the infestation. > > The marketed " natural " treatments are based on the same things that are > common anti-parasiticals for humans: arsenic or cyanide. Personally I prefer > salt and iodine. > > By far the worst thing you can do to a dog, that weakens it and makes it > vulnerable to the infestation, is to feed it grain based food. > > I live in an area where the problem originated, the southeast coast. It is > impossible to prevent infection here but it is possible through diet to > prevent maturity of worms in the heart and excess microfilaria in the > bloodstream. If you take your dog to a vet here, they will ALWAYS find > heartworms and will always want you to put the dog on their pesticides. Make > no mistake, those pesticides will slowly debilitate your dog. You must make > a choice between that and living with heartworms but keeping them under > control. > > If a dog develops a chronic cough here, it's heartworms. The treatment is to > restrain the dog, severely limit its activity and limit its food and water > to that containing iodine and salt until it stops coughing and perks up. > It's tricky business, takes many days, but I've done it several times. But > it never stops. The real trick is to develop a schedule of it before they > get mature worms. > > I don't have a dog now. It's nearly cruel to keep an outdoor dog here and > I'm in no position right now to keep an indoor one. > > The last dog we had was a beagle. She loved to hunt but there's just too > many mean critters in the woods here and she got attacked, injured, and got > scared. I was keeping her heartworms under control for four years. I > eventually gave her to my Mom who lives much further inland where the woods > have more rabbits and fewer mean critters. They immediately took her to a > vet who pronounced her with heartworms. Of course she did. They spent many > hundreds on the dog for heartworms despite my admonition of how to control > them. Then they let her run all the time and a coyote or a weasel got her. > That's why you always have beagles in packs. Lone beagles get killed because > their hunting and fighting instincts are bigger than their size. Kind of off > the subject now... > > DaddyBob > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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