Re: New member with several questions

[Guest guest]

here is what I think:

1. always always prefer glass over plastic. Most coconut oils are sold in glass

jars. It should be Virgin Organic Cold Pressed.

2. NO fermented

3. it doesn't mater melted or not, but easier of course is just to scoop it with

a teaspoon, if it's at room temp.

4. is it for making granola bars in oven ? I suggest instead of granola, eat

Sprouted grain cereal by Ezekiel with coconut milk. It's tasty, organic and

sprouted, so no flour. Ezekiel breads are the same thing. You can coconut oil or

coconut butter on bread as well.

On Feb 23, 2011, at 11:28 PM, Coconut Oil wrote:

> New member with several questions

> Posted by: " jpos123 " jpos123@... jpos123

> Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:50 pm (PST)

>

>

>

> Hi Everybody,

>

> My name is jan, I am 54 yrs. old and in terrible health due to Lyme disease

that wasn't diagnosed for decades.

>

> I was introduced to VCO through a Lyme group a few yrs. ago, but rarely used

it. I don't cook often due to my fatigue and I just couldn't bare the thought of

eating it, because it looks like Crisco. (The funny thing is I love coconut, but

the looks really put me off.) That is until about 1.5 wks. ago when I found it

might help my ulcerative colitis.

>

> Then I stumbled upon EarthClinic.com and read all the benefits, that really

got me psyched! I am on a lot of meds and am once again thinking that there is a

chance I can get off of them eventually.

>

> Here are my questions, they involve 2 different brands that seem highly

recommended:

>

> 1. One is in a plastic jar and one is in a glass jar. Some seemed concerned

about the plastic. Is there concern (PBA's or something else)?

>

> 2. One touts being fermented and the other unfermented. Which is better?

>

> 3. I would like to use it to make my granola (to replace canola), but don't

know how to measure it as a solid. Do I measure the same amt. as the liquid

canola or do I have to melt the VCO?

>

> 4. This is basically the same as #3. I would like to use it in baking to

replace oil and butter. For the oil measurement do I have to melt it? For using

it as butter in a recipe do I use the same measurement? Like if a recipe called

for a cup of butter would I use a cup of VCO?

>

> 5. What brands are popular in this group?

>

> I think that is it. Any help would be appreciated.

>

> jan

[Guest guest]

Jan,

Most good coconut oils are fermented. It is impossible not to have fermented

good quality vco. Coconut milk starts to ferment in less than half an hour. I

am sure their coconut milk is processed to become oil, whatever mechanism they

use, for more than half an hour....probably a marketing ploy. However, if they

produce it using expeller pressed method which uses heat at 400F and some use

dirty copra (with molds that can cause mycotoxins) or fresh meat, then they

don't ferment.

You can always transfer to glass containers yourself. Most coconut oils are

shipped in huge plastic drums and the retailers transfer them to glass bottles

or plastic containers in smaller volumes.

The hardened vco can be melted this way: get a shot glass, fill it with vco, let

the shot glass sit in a bowl with hot tap water going only halfway the height

of the shot glass, it would melt there in less than 15 minutes without altering

the taste or color.

Heating coconut oil sharpens its coconut taste so your baking products could

taste more of coconut depending on amount of oil you use.

> > > New member with several questions

> > Posted by: " jpos123 " jpos123@... jpos123

> > Wed Feb 23, 2011 4:50 pm (PST)

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Everybody,

> >

> > My name is jan, I am 54 yrs. old and in terrible health due to Lyme disease

that wasn't diagnosed for decades.

> >

> > I was introduced to VCO through a Lyme group a few yrs. ago, but rarely used

it. I don't cook often due to my fatigue and I just couldn't bare the thought of

eating it, because it looks like Crisco. (The funny thing is I love coconut, but

the looks really put me off.) That is until about 1.5 wks. ago when I found it

might help my ulcerative colitis.

> >

> > Then I stumbled upon EarthClinic.com and read all the benefits, that really

got me psyched! I am on a lot of meds and am once again thinking that there is a

chance I can get off of them eventually.

> >

> > Here are my questions, they involve 2 different brands that seem highly

recommended:

> >

> > 1. One is in a plastic jar and one is in a glass jar. Some seemed concerned

about the plastic. Is there concern (PBA's or something else)?

> >

> > 2. One touts being fermented and the other unfermented. Which is better?

> >

> > 3. I would like to use it to make my granola (to replace canola), but don't

know how to measure it as a solid. Do I measure the same amt. as the liquid

canola or do I have to melt the VCO?

> >

> > 4. This is basically the same as #3. I would like to use it in baking to

replace oil and butter. For the oil measurement do I have to melt it? For using

it as butter in a recipe do I use the same measurement? Like if a recipe called

for a cup of butter would I use a cup of VCO?

> >

> > 5. What brands are popular in this group?

> >

> > I think that is it. Any help would be appreciated.

> >

> > jan

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do you know that the fermentation of coconut oil is not the fermentation we

think of? It is letting the oil sit out over night to separate and then gather

the oil. I was reading about it on the Tropical Traditions website. It is the

old fashion, native way of processing the oil and they feel it gives a better

quality of oil.

GoL brand says on one part of the label it is cold pressed, but on another part

that it is expeller pressed. Talk about confusing.

What other brands come in glass jars?

For making granola cereal. I eat with yogurt instead of milk and often have

fruit with it.

jan

>

> here is what I think:

>

> 1. always always prefer glass over plastic. Most coconut oils are sold in

glass jars. It should be Virgin Organic Cold Pressed.

> 2. NO fermented

> 3. it doesn't mater melted or not, but easier of course is just to scoop it

with a teaspoon, if it's at room temp.

> 4. is it for making granola bars in oven ? I suggest instead of granola, eat

Sprouted grain cereal by Ezekiel with coconut milk. It's tasty, organic and

sprouted, so no flour. Ezekiel breads are the same thing. You can coconut oil or

coconut butter on bread as well.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marketing ploy, that is the conclusion I came to just a bit ago. I figured

since most know of fermentation as a totally different process than what the

coconut oil industry is referring to.

I, also, noticed that the large containers (was doing some more comparison this

morning to better understand) were plastic.

So, does all of this mean I don't have to pay double what I am to get a good

VCO? Does it mean Nutiva is ok even though it is in plastic? I tried the GoL

this morning and it isn't as tasty.

I would love some baked things tasting of coconut.

Thanks Zalman and .

jan

>

>

> Jan,

>

> Most good coconut oils are fermented. It is impossible not to have fermented

good quality vco. Coconut milk starts to ferment in less than half an hour. I

am sure their coconut milk is processed to become oil, whatever mechanism they

use, for more than half an hour....probably a marketing ploy. However, if they

produce it using expeller pressed method which uses heat at 400F and some use

dirty copra (with molds that can cause mycotoxins) or fresh meat, then they

don't ferment.

>

> You can always transfer to glass containers yourself. Most coconut oils are

shipped in huge plastic drums and the retailers transfer them to glass bottles

or plastic containers in smaller volumes.

>

> The hardened vco can be melted this way: get a shot glass, fill it with vco,

let the shot glass sit in a bowl with hot tap water going only halfway the

height of the shot glass, it would melt there in less than 15 minutes without

altering the taste or color.

>

> Heating coconut oil sharpens its coconut taste so your baking products could

taste more of coconut depending on amount of oil you use.

>

>

[Guest guest]

A plastic bucket isn't much of an issue. Treat it as the temporary shipping

container and transfer the VCO into a glass container.

Seems coconut oil and food grade plastic don't mix as fast as the underdog's

marketing ploy says it does. What I see in my mind is the 7th to 12th decimal

points changing with regard to risk increase, not a big deal. The health foods

will take care of it.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Marketing ploy, that is the conclusion I came to just a bit ago. I figured

since most know of fermentation as a totally different process than what the

coconut oil industry is referring to.

>

> I, also, noticed that the large containers (was doing some more comparison

this morning to better understand) were plastic.

>

> So, does all of this mean I don't have to pay double what I am to get a good

VCO? Does it mean Nutiva is ok even though it is in plastic? I tried the GoL

this morning and it isn't as tasty.

>

> I would love some baked things tasting of coconut.

>

> Thanks Zalman and .

>

> jan

>

[Guest guest]

A greater concern  might be if it were subjected to high heat as in the summer,

it affects the delivery trucks - and UPS...the dark brown is heat

enhancing....but if it is cold where you live now, probably more safe than

not...

d

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: New member with several questions

Coconut Oil

Date: Thursday, February 24, 2011, 1:05 PM

 

A plastic bucket isn't much of an issue. Treat it as the temporary

shipping container and transfer the VCO into a glass container.

Seems coconut oil and food grade plastic don't mix as fast as the underdog's

marketing ploy says it does. What I see in my mind is the 7th to 12th decimal

points changing with regard to risk increase, not a big deal. The health foods

will take care of it.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Marketing ploy, that is the conclusion I came to just a bit ago. I figured

since most know of fermentation as a totally different process than what the

coconut oil industry is referring to.

>

> I, also, noticed that the large containers (was doing some more comparison

this morning to better understand) were plastic.

>

> So, does all of this mean I don't have to pay double what I am to get a good

VCO? Does it mean Nutiva is ok even though it is in plastic? I tried the GoL

this morning and it isn't as tasty.

>

> I would love some baked things tasting of coconut.

>

> Thanks Zalman and .

>

> jan

>

[Guest guest]

I live in New Orleans. In the heat of summer, plastic containers are

not hotter than 100F, usually less. Once, my timing was perfect and I

grabbed a 5 gallon pail of coconut oil off the UPS delivery truck in

August. Inside of the truck was certainly warm, but the driver was

running the truck A/C unit to keep him cool, so the cargo was not that

hot. If I lived someplace where containers were subjected to 140+

temps for long periods of time, I would be concerned about plastic

containers.

These days I buy 7 one-gallon pails because the 5 gallon pails are a

real pain to lug up 3 flights of stairs, and decanting out of the huge

pail can get very messy, as well as subjecting the oil to my

non-sterile kitchen tools. With 6 individual gallons, I open and

decant the oil (no need of scoops or other non-sterile tools), 1

gallon at a time and let the rest of the gallon pails just sit on the

floor of my apartment for months and months. In the heat of summer in

my apartment, the gallon containers never get hotter than 90-95F, so

sitting in plastic does not worry me.

My favorite supplier is Wilderness Family Naturals.

http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/category/coconut-products-coconut-oil.ph\

p

All their oils taste fine to me. I buy the cheapest one, or the one

on sale. I also use their buyer's club which gives me the best price.

http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/buying-club.php

Alobar

BTW, If you buy from Tropical Traditions, be alert for irritation at

the back of your throat. Some years ago I used to buy from them.

Their traditional method does not always get all the moisture out.

The moisture then caused rancidity over time. Go to

Coconut Oil/files/

and take a look at throat catch.txt.

On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Don <hooty304@...> wrote:

> A greater concern  might be if it were subjected to high heat as in the

summer, it affects the delivery trucks - and UPS...the dark brown is heat

enhancing....but if it is cold where you live now, probably more safe than

not...

> d

>

[Guest guest]

Thank U Alobar.

Gerardo Barriga

> A greater concern  might be if it were subjected to high heat as in the

summer, it affects the delivery trucks - and UPS...the dark brown is heat

enhancing....but if it is cold where you live now, probably more safe than

not...

> d

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Alobar. That puts my mind at ease.

All coconut products irritate the back of my throat. I don't know why that is,

but I love coconut so I put up with it. )

jan p

>

> I live in New Orleans. In the heat of summer, plastic containers are

> not hotter than 100F, usually less...

[Guest guest]

Have you tried switching brands and suppliers? Throat irritation is

not a sign of a good coconut oil.

Alobar

On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 11:01 AM, jpos123 <jpos123@...> wrote:

> Thanks, Alobar.  That puts my mind at ease.

>

> All coconut products irritate the back of my throat.  I don't know why that

is, but I love coconut so I put up with it.  )

>

> jan p

>

>

[Guest guest]

I get it eating coconut candy, macaroons, anything with coconut. It's like the

coconut scratches my throat on the way down. I just have to get a drink to

soothe it.

jan p

>

> Have you tried switching brands and suppliers? Throat irritation is

> not a sign of a good coconut oil.

>

> Alobar

>

[Guest guest]

I just thought of something. I have non-stop post nasal drip, that could be

why. Do you think?

jan p

>

> Have you tried switching brands and suppliers? Throat irritation is

> not a sign of a good coconut oil.

>

> Alobar

[Guest guest]

Whey gives me lots of mucous. I have lots of post nasal drip. I have

no problem drinking lots of coconut oil daily.

Alobar

On Sun, Feb 27, 2011 at 9:30 AM, jpos123 <jpos123@...> wrote:

> I just thought of something.  I have non-stop post nasal drip, that could be

why.  Do you think?

>

> jan p

>

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