Re: vitamin C to reduce oxalate stones?

[Guest guest]

Ratan, the reverse; natural vitamin C reduces oxalate stones; here's the

reference:

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19507407>

....but ascorbic acid in theory and high-oxalate foods in practice can support

oxalate stones in susceptable people. Alobar, who is oxalate-sensitive, can

probably add considerably to this subject.

As a practical matter, glutathione recycles vitamin C so you don't need to

megadose C if you're using undenatured whey and selenium. I think this huge

difference was underestimated or missed by ing and Rath, who promote

high-dose ascorbic acid.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Hi Duncan:

> What is your take on that vitamin C in high dose is harmful because it

converts into oxalic acid not just in kidneys as oxalic acid stones but in brain

too ?

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[Guest guest]

Alobar, any indication from the oxalate-sensitive that their rash resembles the

real itchy persistent one that people interpret as toxins issuing from the skin

etc? Anyone measured pH of the exudate?

all good,

Duncan

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> Many many people sensitive to dietary oxalates have no problem with

> renal stones. When vitamin C is used by the cells in our bodies, it

> produces oxalate. Oxalates which lodge in tissues cause problems.

[Guest guest]

And Alobar, any chance you can get a good cause:effect reaction that you can

identify in hours after eating rhubarb pie or some such? (to test whether the

rash might be from oxalate exudation/irritation)

all good,

Duncan

> >

> > Many many people sensitive to dietary oxalates have no problem with

> > renal stones. When vitamin C is used by the cells in our bodies, it

> > produces oxalate. Oxalates which lodge in tissues cause problems.

>

[Guest guest]

Yeah my vitamin C intake is more along the lines of the 1300-1600 mg rather than

the 12 grams that Rath and ing proposed to be the human adult deficiency

outside of the heart study. I think more than about 3 grams in divided doses is

unnecessary if the glutathione level is adequate.

The whey and selenium approach is well studied; some research including cancer

research on whey and glutathione is posted in my glutathione references page:

http://tinyurl.com/glutathione-references

all good,

Duncan

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....having studied Dr. Rath's Cellular Medicine protocols

> and looked at his published studies, the amounts of vitamin C in the Heart

> Failure study is only 1300 mg, in the H.B.P study is 1600mg.

> Hardly mega doses as Duncan suggests.

> The recycling of vitamin C though, when taking undenatured whey and

> selenium intrigues me! Are there any studies on that?

> Cardiovascular disease runs in my family and prevention is very high on my

> list. So far, I have absolutely no issues, enjoying perfect health.

> I take daily 2x1000mg Ester-C with bioflavonoids.

> I think synergist nutrient action is also very important.

>

> Cheers,

> Nick

>

[Guest guest]

the most common cause of stomach ulcer at over 90% is an H. pylori

infection. Besides medical antibiotics, several things can kill the infection,

some of which escape me now, but if it's lipid enveloped one of the oils like

coconut oil or some other essential oils, also olive leaf extract or colloidal

silver and peroxide, xylitol etc could be looked into. If you don;t produce

enough stomach acid, zinc supplements and digestive enzymes with meals will help

you in the time ebing until you can take HCl to help you digest your meals

again.

I think H. pylori is killed by stomach acid, and a chronic infection may point

to hypochlorhydria, inadequate stomach acid secretion.

all good,

Duncan

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> not sure what you are talking about but i use a lot of vit c and i have just

> found out i have a stomach ulcer. should i stop the vit c

>

> maria

>

[Guest guest]

Just located information on acids disposal that may relate to oxalic acid..

Orotic acid helps to reduce acid wastes that are formed when fats are burned.

This is important as excess acid wastes are normally stored as body fat,

cholesterol, uric acid and kidney stones, all of which accelerate aging and

increases risk of disease. Orotic acid reduces circulating cholesterol,

presumably by recycling the acids.

That said, orotic acids are found in milk and whey; the O in orotic comes from

oyo or milk.

all good,

Duncan