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My husband had a heart attack in Feb "06 and had his ICD put in April '06. He has not worked since then. His cardiologist has told him he is not allowed to return to work. Hubby was also told that he is only allowed to sit/stand/walk a limited amount of time per day. And the short periods of time that he is allowed, the cardiologist wants him to reserve that time in case of an emergency. In June '06 (Father's Day), he did get zapped to the ground (luckily he was inside so it was on padded carpet). Then after he was on the floor, he got zapped the second time. Thank goodness those are the only 2 times that he has gotten zapped. But to look at him, he seems physically fine and other people (freinds, etc) have a hard time figuring out why he isn't able to work. And to be honest, sometimes I wonder myself. But he has appllied for and been denied disability. He has an attorney that is trying to help him get it. He has letters from all his doctors stating he is not allowed to

work. And yes this has put a financial strain on us, but thankfully I am still able to work (considering I have seizures), and we have no kids at home.

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Hi - I am glad your EF has improved. What do you credit with it's improvement. What was it in the beginning? Thanks for sharing. Darlene Baker <laurarn@...> wrote: I know the guidelines say no driving for 6 months after a shock but I don't get why this doesn't apply to paced out episodes. (Maybe I shouldn't complain about that of course since I've been paced out 7 times.) But my EF has improved the VT is gone (we hope.. I wouldn't even consider it until we're sure about that) I didn't pass out when I was shocked I only needed one shock and was completely fine after (I didn't even realize I had been shocked) Not driving is really affecting me psychologically.. so many things all

come back to be not being able to drive! So that's why it's so fustrating! She told me there was nothing she could do and it was federal rules.. my regular cardiologist told me that if they fixed the VT I could drive sooner but my EP said no. Oh yeah and I had a branch retinal artery occlusion during the procedure so now I'm missing some vision (the opthalmologist said this would not affect my ability to drive). I also have a

hematoma the size of my thigh and am now on blood thinners. So it's been a rough few months. The good news is they said I might be able to go back to work in a few weeks. I've been out since I got my ICD. From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of niteowlSent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Driving Hello, if the group doesn't mind, I'd like to add my two cents worth, lol.

My husband has a defibrillator/pacemaker. And since Oct. '06, I've been having seizures at least 1 or 2 a month for unknown causes. And yes I do take my meds. I am also not allowed to drive for this reason. And it is hard, being 44 yrs old and losing your freedom to drive. I am not a dependant person, or should I rephrase that to, "I wasn't a dependant person". And if they ever take my husbands driving privlige away, we'd really be in trouble. As it is, I have to practically beg him to take me places, other than work of course. He's always like, "Call someone else and have them take you". But we all have to think positive and be thankful that we aren't driving and taking the risk of hurting someone else or ourselves. It sure helps having someone else with similar situations to talk to that truly understands what we are facing.Need Mail bonding?Go to the Q & A for great tips from Answers users. __________ NOD32 2299 (20070530) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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> if the group doesn't mind . . .

Mind? I didn't mind my parents when I was a kid, mysergeants when I ws in Basic Training or my wife now. In fact many people have already figured out that I don't even have a mind.

From california where the best minds are always the ones that are nodding in agreement with you.

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Dear ;

Well it is wonderful that your EF is up and you must be feeling better - and we know you have to feel better to care for three little ones! Coreg has increased my EF alot.

About the driving thing -- my kids were 10 and 14 when my ICD was implanted. I live in CA and had never passed out, nor have I ever been shocked so my driving privileges have never been taken from me. However, as soon as I was implanted, I chose not to drive anyone's children but my own. I did not want to liable for anyone else. In some states just having the ICD implanted - you are not allowed to drive for 6 mos, then add a shock and it increases another 6 mos.... Try to see the positives and know it is for the your safety and the safety of others, and not only that --- it is the LAW in your state and your own Doctors are liable for you and they have cover themselves. The only thing you can do is talk your Doctors into changing your driving restrictions, but know they have to follow the law as well. It is unfortunate that each state is different, there needs to be conformity, and these law makers need to understand what an ICD is and that it is a lifesaving device -- afterall we are healthier WITH our ICD's than without them! We were much more at risk of causing an accident BEFORE our ICDs than now with our ICd's!!!

Hang in there -- you are improving soooo much that it won't be long! I know you will never take driving for granted again! Driving is a privilege -- that's what we have always told our teenagers!

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RE: Driving

Hi - I am glad your EF has improved. What do you credit with it's improvement. What was it in the beginning? Thanks for sharing. Darlene Baker <laurarnrochester (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

I know the guidelines say no driving for 6 months after a shock but I don't get why this doesn't apply to paced out episodes. (Maybe I shouldn't complain about that of course since I've been paced out 7 times.)

But my EF has improved

the VT is gone (we hope.. I wouldn't even consider it until we're sure about that)

I didn't pass out when I was shocked

I only needed one shock and was completely fine after (I didn't even realize I had been shocked)

Not dri ving is really affecting me psychologically.. so many things all come back to be not being able to drive!

So that's why it's so fustrating!

She told me there was nothing she could do and it was federal rules.. my regular cardiologist told me that if they fixed the VT I could drive sooner but my EP said no.

Oh yeah and I had a branch retinal artery occlusion during the procedure so now I'm missing some vision (the opthalmologist said this woul d not affect my ability to drive). I also have a hematoma the size of my thigh and am now on blood thinners.

So it's been a rough few months. The good news is they said I might be able to go back to work in a few weeks. I've been out since I got my ICD.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of niteowlSent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Driving

Hello, if the group doesn't mind, I'd like to add my two cents worth, lol. My husband has a defibrillator/pacemaker. And since Oct. '06, I've been having seizures at least 1 or 2 a month for unknown causes. And yes I do take my meds. I am also not allowed to drive for this reason. And it is hard, being 44 yrs old and losing your freedom to drive. I am not a dependant person, or should I rephrase that to, "I wasn't a dependant person". And if they ever take my husbands driving privlige away, we'd really be in trouble. As it is, I have to practically beg him to take me places, other than work of course. He's always like, "Call someone else and have them take you". But we all have to think positive and be thankful that we aren't driving and taking the risk of hurting someone else or ourselves. It sure helps having someone else with similar situations to talk to that truly understands what we are facing.Need Mail bonding?Go to the Q & A for great tips from Answers users. __________ NOD32 2299 (20070530) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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You didn't realize you were shocked? The experience

doesn't leave much room for doubt. Each of my three

shocks felt like someone threw a fastball into my

chest and I saw a bright bluish white flash. The issue

of driving is that getting a full charge shock may

cause loss of control of the car and a crash. Two of

the shocks occurred when I was fully awake and

conscious and so I got to appreciate the full

experience. I can say that it was not pleasant. With

my ICD (as with most ICDs), there are three levels of

interventions: overdrive pacing, which I never feel, a

low level shock for v-tach, which I hardly ever feel,

and a high voltage shock for v-fib or sustained v-tach

that knocks me off my feet. Only the high voltage

shock should disqualify you from driving. It's

something you need to press with your doctor. Not

being able to drive is very very inconvenient.

--- Baker <laurarn@...> wrote:

> I know the guidelines say no driving for 6 months

> after a shock but I don't

> get why this doesn't apply to paced out episodes.

> (Maybe I shouldn't

> complain about that of course since I've been paced

> out 7 times.)

>

> But my EF has improved

> the VT is gone (we hope.. I wouldn't even consider

> it until we're sure about

> that)

> I didn't pass out when I was shocked

> I only needed one shock and was completely fine

> after (I didn't even realize

> I had been shocked)

> Not driving is really affecting me psychologically..

> so many things all come

> back to be not being able to drive!

>

> So that's why it's so fustrating!

>

> She told me there was nothing she could do and it

> was federal rules.. my

> regular cardiologist told me that if they fixed the

> VT I could drive sooner

> but my EP said no.

>

> Oh yeah and I had a branch retinal artery occlusion

> during the procedure so

> now I'm missing some vision (the opthalmologist said

> this would not affect

> my ability to drive). I also have a hematoma the

> size of my thigh and am now

> on blood thinners.

>

> So it's been a rough few months. The good news is

> they said I might be able

> to go back to work in a few weeks. I've been out

> since I got my ICD.

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> niteowl

> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:14 PM

>

> Subject: Re: Driving

>

>

>

>

> Hello, if the group doesn't mind, I'd like to add my

> two cents worth, lol.

> My husband has a defibrillator/pacemaker. And since

> Oct. '06, I've been

> having seizures at least 1 or 2 a month for unknown

> causes. And yes I do

> take my meds. I am also not allowed to drive for

> this reason. And it is

> hard, being 44 yrs old and losing your freedom to

> drive. I am not a

> dependant person, or should I rephrase that to, " I

> wasn't a dependant

> person " . And if they ever take my husbands driving

> privlige away, we'd

> really be in trouble. As it is, I have to

> practically beg him to take me

> places, other than work of course. He's always like,

> " Call someone else and

> have them take you " . But we all have to think

> positive and be thankful that

> we aren't driving and taking the risk of hurting

> someone else or ourselves.

> It sure helps having someone else with similar

> situations to talk to that

> truly understands what we are facing.

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I was in VF and had a full blown shock (35 joules). I was laying in bed, it happened at 5 am.. I had a cold and had just gotten out of bed to get a drink of water because I was caughing. I got back in bed, was having palpitations, looked at the clock and saw it was 5 am. The shock happened a little after that so I was definitely conscious. I felt some hard beats that I know now were VT.. then a little bit later I felt what felt like static electricity in my chest. It didn't hurt and I felt completely fine after so I didn't realize it was a shock. I had been told a shock hurts and this didn't.. I convinced myself it was the ICD self test and almost didn't call my doctor. Then I decided to.

I hate hate hate hate hate hate this!!

There are so many things I want to do this summer with my kids.. places to take them.. I have my mother to help with transportation so it's not like we are stuck in the house every day but there are so many things I can't do.. namely leave the house without my children. It's like I'm trapped.. I never realized how important grocery shopping ALONE was to me.

Have I mentioned how I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate this???

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of HiranumaSent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:44 PM Subject: RE: Driving

You didn't realize you were shocked? The experiencedoesn't leave much room for doubt. Each of my threeshocks felt like someone threw a fastball into mychest and I saw a bright bluish white flash. The issueof driving is that getting a full charge shock maycause loss of control of the car and a crash. Two ofthe shocks occurred when I was fully awake andconscious and so I got to appreciate the fullexperience. I can say that it was not pleasant. Withmy ICD (as with most ICDs), there are three levels ofinterventions: overdrive pacing, which I never feel, alow level shock for v-tach, which I hardly ever feel,and a high voltage shock for v-fib or sustained v-tachthat knocks me off my feet. Only the high voltageshock should disqualify you from driving. It'ssomething you need to press with your doctor. Notbeing able to drive is very very inconvenient.--- Baker <laurarnrochester (DOT) rr.com> wrote:> I know the guidelines say no driving for 6 months> after a shock but I don't> get why this doesn't apply to paced out episodes.> (Maybe I shouldn't> complain about that of course since I've been paced> out 7 times.)> > But my EF has improved> the VT is gone (we hope.. I wouldn't even consider> it until we're sure about> that)> I didn't pass out when I was shocked> I only needed one shock and was completely fine> after (I didn't even realize> I had been shocked)> Not driving is really affecting me psychologically..> so many things all come> back to be not being able to drive!> > So that's why it's so fustrating!> > She told me there was nothing she could do and it> was federal rules.. my> regular cardiologist told me that if they fixed the> VT I could drive sooner> but my EP said no.> > Oh yeah and I had a branch retinal artery occlusion> during the procedure so> now I'm missing some vision (the opthalmologist said> this would not affect> my ability to drive). I also have a hematoma the> size of my thigh and am now> on blood thinners.> > So it's been a rough few months. The good news is> they said I might be able> to go back to work in a few weeks. I've been out> since I got my ICD.> > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of> niteowl> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:14 PM> > Subject: Re: Driving> > > > > Hello, if the group doesn't mind, I'd like to add my> two cents worth, lol.> My husband has a defibrillator/pacemaker. And since> Oct. '06, I've been> having seizures at least 1 or 2 a month for unknown> causes. And yes I do> take my meds. I am also not allowed to drive for> this reason. And it is> hard, being 44 yrs old and losing your freedom to> drive. I am not a> dependant person, or should I rephrase that to, "I> wasn't a dependant> person". And if they ever take my husbands driving> privlige away, we'd> really be in trouble. As it is, I have to> practically beg him to take me> places, other than work of course. He's always like,> "Call someone else and> have them take you". But we all have to think> positive and be thankful that> we aren't driving and taking the risk of hurting> someone else or ourselves.> It sure helps having someone else with similar> situations to talk to that> truly understands what we are facing.> _____ > > Need Mail bonding?> Go to the ><http://answers./dir/index;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbGNhMGE3BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOAR>fcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA21haWxfdGFnbGluZQRzbGsDbWFpbF90YWcx?link=ask & sid=39654> 6091> Mail Q & A for great><http://answers./dir/index;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbGNhMGE3BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOAR>fcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA21haWxfdGFnbGluZQRzbGsDbWFpbF90YWcx?link=ask & sid=39654> 6091> tips from Answers users. > > > > __________ NOD32 2299 (20070530) Information> __________> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.> http://www.eset.com> > __________________________________________________________Don't pick lemons.See all the new 2007 cars at Autos.http://autos./new_cars.html __________ NOD32 2302 (20070531) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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Ditto on the white flashes and I swear I hear a POW! Becca Hiranuma <mhiranuma2001@...> wrote: You didn't realize you were shocked? The experiencedoesn't leave much room for doubt. Each of my threeshocks felt like someone threw a fastball into mychest and I saw a bright bluish white flash. The issueof driving is that getting a full charge shock maycause loss of control of the car and a crash. Two ofthe shocks occurred when I was

fully awake andconscious and so I got to appreciate the fullexperience. I can say that it was not pleasant. Withmy ICD (as with most ICDs), there are three levels ofinterventions: overdrive pacing, which I never feel, alow level shock for v-tach, which I hardly ever feel,and a high voltage shock for v-fib or sustained v-tachthat knocks me off my feet. Only the high voltageshock should disqualify you from driving. It'ssomething you need to press with your doctor. Notbeing able to drive is very very inconvenient.--- Baker <laurarnrochester (DOT) rr.com> wrote:> I know the guidelines say no driving for 6 months> after a shock but I don't> get why this doesn't apply to paced out episodes.> (Maybe I shouldn't> complain about that of course since I've been paced> out 7 times.)> > But my EF has improved> the

VT is gone (we hope.. I wouldn't even consider> it until we're sure about> that)> I didn't pass out when I was shocked> I only needed one shock and was completely fine> after (I didn't even realize> I had been shocked)> Not driving is really affecting me psychologically..> so many things all come> back to be not being able to drive!> > So that's why it's so fustrating!> > She told me there was nothing she could do and it> was federal rules.. my> regular cardiologist told me that if they fixed the> VT I could drive sooner> but my EP said no.> > Oh yeah and I had a branch retinal artery occlusion> during the procedure so> now I'm missing some vision (the opthalmologist said> this would not affect> my ability to drive). I also have a hematoma the> size of my thigh and am now> on blood

thinners.> > So it's been a rough few months. The good news is> they said I might be able> to go back to work in a few weeks. I've been out> since I got my ICD.> > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of> niteowl> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:14 PM> > Subject: Re: Driving> > > > > Hello, if the group doesn't mind, I'd like to add my> two cents worth, lol.> My husband has a defibrillator/pacemaker. And since> Oct. '06, I've been> having seizures at least 1 or 2 a month for unknown> causes. And yes I do> take my meds. I am also not allowed to drive for>

this reason. And it is> hard, being 44 yrs old and losing your freedom to> drive. I am not a> dependant person, or should I rephrase that to, "I> wasn't a dependant> person". And if they ever take my husbands driving> privlige away, we'd> really be in trouble. As it is, I have to> practically beg him to take me> places, other than work of course. He's always like,> "Call someone else and> have them take you". But we all have to think> positive and be thankful that> we aren't driving and taking the risk of hurting> someone else or ourselves.> It sure helps having someone else with similar> situations to talk to that> truly understands what we are facing.> _____ > > Need Mail bonding?> Go to the ><http://answers./dir/index;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbGNhMGE3BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOAR>fcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA21haWxfdGFnbGluZQRzbGsDbWFpbF90YWcx?link=ask & sid=39654> 6091> Mail Q & A for great><http://answers./dir/index;_ylc=X3oDMTFvbGNhMGE3BF9TAzM5NjU0NTEwOAR>fcwMzOTY1NDUxMDMEc2VjA21haWxfdGFnbGluZQRzbGsDbWFpbF90YWcx?link=ask & sid=39654> 6091> tips from Answers users. > > > > __________ NOD32 2299 (20070530) Information> __________> > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.> http://www.eset.com> >

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You did hear a pow. For me, it was more of a pop. It's

the capacitor discharging. It's the same sound a

strobe light makes when it fires.

--- Becca <beccageo1980@...> wrote:

> Ditto on the white flashes and I swear I hear a POW!

> Becca

>

> Hiranuma <mhiranuma2001@...> wrote:

> You didn't realize you were shocked? The

> experience

> doesn't leave much room for doubt. Each of my three

> shocks felt like someone threw a fastball into my

> chest and I saw a bright bluish white flash. The

> issue

> of driving is that getting a full charge shock may

> cause loss of control of the car and a crash. Two of

> the shocks occurred when I was fully awake and

> conscious and so I got to appreciate the full

> experience. I can say that it was not pleasant. With

> my ICD (as with most ICDs), there are three levels

> of

> interventions: overdrive pacing, which I never feel,

> a

> low level shock for v-tach, which I hardly ever

> feel,

> and a high voltage shock for v-fib or sustained

> v-tach

> that knocks me off my feet. Only the high voltage

> shock should disqualify you from driving. It's

> something you need to press with your doctor. Not

> being able to drive is very very inconvenient.

>

> --- Baker <laurarn@...> wrote:

>

> > I know the guidelines say no driving for 6 months

> > after a shock but I don't

> > get why this doesn't apply to paced out episodes.

> > (Maybe I shouldn't

> > complain about that of course since I've been

> paced

> > out 7 times.)

> >

> > But my EF has improved

> > the VT is gone (we hope.. I wouldn't even consider

> > it until we're sure about

> > that)

> > I didn't pass out when I was shocked

> > I only needed one shock and was completely fine

> > after (I didn't even realize

> > I had been shocked)

> > Not driving is really affecting me

> psychologically..

> > so many things all come

> > back to be not being able to drive!

> >

> > So that's why it's so fustrating!

> >

> > She told me there was nothing she could do and it

> > was federal rules.. my

> > regular cardiologist told me that if they fixed

> the

> > VT I could drive sooner

> > but my EP said no.

> >

> > Oh yeah and I had a branch retinal artery

> occlusion

> > during the procedure so

> > now I'm missing some vision (the opthalmologist

> said

> > this would not affect

> > my ability to drive). I also have a hematoma the

> > size of my thigh and am now

> > on blood thinners.

> >

> > So it's been a rough few months. The good news is

> > they said I might be able

> > to go back to work in a few weeks. I've been out

> > since I got my ICD.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From:

> > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> > niteowl

> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:14 PM

> >

> > Subject: Re: Driving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello, if the group doesn't mind, I'd like to add

> my

> > two cents worth, lol.

> > My husband has a defibrillator/pacemaker. And

> since

> > Oct. '06, I've been

> > having seizures at least 1 or 2 a month for

> unknown

> > causes. And yes I do

> > take my meds. I am also not allowed to drive for

> > this reason. And it is

> > hard, being 44 yrs old and losing your freedom to

> > drive. I am not a

> > dependant person, or should I rephrase that to, " I

> > wasn't a dependant

> > person " . And if they ever take my husbands driving

> > privlige away, we'd

> > really be in trouble. As it is, I have to

> > practically beg him to take me

> > places, other than work of course. He's always

> like,

> > " Call someone else and

> > have them take you " . But we all have to think

> > positive and be thankful that

> > we aren't driving and taking the risk of hurting

> > someone else or ourselves.

> > It sure helps having someone else with similar

> > situations to talk to that

> > truly understands what we are facing.

> > _____

> >

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Here in California we're dependent on the car. Our

doctors know this and try to accommodate our needs. My

UCLA cardiologist said if I didn't pass out, I could

probably drive. The electrophysiologist was more

concerned about repeat performance. We all decided

that 3 months of no driving was good enough. That was

before the new guidelines came out. I haven't heard

from the doctors so I just went out driving after the

3 months were up. So far, no more shocks. I am

concerned, however, about the effect of a shock when

I'm using the computer. I type with the Powerbook on

my lap.

--- Baker <laurarn@...> wrote:

> I was in VF and had a full blown shock (35 joules).

> I was laying in bed, it

> happened at 5 am.. I had a cold and had just gotten

> out of bed to get a

> drink of water because I was caughing. I got back in

> bed, was having

> palpitations, looked at the clock and saw it was 5

> am. The shock happened a

> little after that so I was definitely conscious. I

> felt some hard beats that

> I know now were VT.. then a little bit later I felt

> what felt like static

> electricity in my chest. It didn't hurt and I felt

> completely fine after so

> I didn't realize it was a shock. I had been told a

> shock hurts and this

> didn't.. I convinced myself it was the ICD self test

> and almost didn't call

> my doctor. Then I decided to.

>

> I hate hate hate hate hate hate this!!

>

> There are so many things I want to do this summer

> with my kids.. places to

> take them.. I have my mother to help with

> transportation so it's not like we

> are stuck in the house every day but there are so

> many things I can't do..

> namely leave the house without my children. It's

> like I'm trapped.. I never

> realized how important grocery shopping ALONE was to

> me.

>

> Have I mentioned how I hate hate hate hate hate hate

> hate hate hate this???

>

> _____

>

> From:

> [mailto: ] On Behalf Of

> Hiranuma

> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 6:44 PM

>

> Subject: RE: Driving

>

>

>

> You didn't realize you were shocked? The experience

> doesn't leave much room for doubt. Each of my three

> shocks felt like someone threw a fastball into my

> chest and I saw a bright bluish white flash. The

> issue

> of driving is that getting a full charge shock may

> cause loss of control of the car and a crash. Two of

> the shocks occurred when I was fully awake and

> conscious and so I got to appreciate the full

> experience. I can say that it was not pleasant. With

> my ICD (as with most ICDs), there are three levels

> of

> interventions: overdrive pacing, which I never feel,

> a

> low level shock for v-tach, which I hardly ever

> feel,

> and a high voltage shock for v-fib or sustained

> v-tach

> that knocks me off my feet. Only the high voltage

> shock should disqualify you from driving. It's

> something you need to press with your doctor. Not

> being able to drive is very very inconvenient.

>

> --- Baker <laurarnrochester (DOT)

> <mailto:laurarn%40rochester.rr.com>

> rr.com> wrote:

>

> > I know the guidelines say no driving for 6 months

> > after a shock but I don't

> > get why this doesn't apply to paced out episodes.

> > (Maybe I shouldn't

> > complain about that of course since I've been

> paced

> > out 7 times.)

> >

> > But my EF has improved

> > the VT is gone (we hope.. I wouldn't even consider

> > it until we're sure about

> > that)

> > I didn't pass out when I was shocked

> > I only needed one shock and was completely fine

> > after (I didn't even realize

> > I had been shocked)

> > Not driving is really affecting me

> psychologically..

> > so many things all come

> > back to be not being able to drive!

> >

> > So that's why it's so fustrating!

> >

> > She told me there was nothing she could do and it

> > was federal rules.. my

> > regular cardiologist told me that if they fixed

> the

> > VT I could drive sooner

> > but my EP said no.

> >

> > Oh yeah and I had a branch retinal artery

> occlusion

> > during the procedure so

> > now I'm missing some vision (the opthalmologist

> said

> > this would not affect

> > my ability to drive). I also have a hematoma the

> > size of my thigh and am now

> > on blood thinners.

> >

> > So it's been a rough few months. The good news is

> > they said I might be able

> > to go back to work in a few weeks. I've been out

> > since I got my ICD.

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: @groups

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> > [mailto:@groups

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> Behalf Of

> > niteowl

> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:14 PM

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> > Subject: Re: Driving

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Hello, if the group doesn't mind, I'd like to add

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> > two cents worth, lol.

> > My husband has a defibrillator/pacemaker. And

> since

> > Oct. '06, I've been

> > having seizures at least 1 or 2 a month for

> unknown

> > causes. And yes I do

> > take my meds. I am also not allowed to drive for

> > this reason. And it is

> > hard, being 44 yrs old and losing your freedom to

> > drive. I am not a

> > dependant person, or should I rephrase that to, " I

> > wasn't a dependant

> > person " . And if they ever take my husbands driving

> > privlige away, we'd

> > really be in trouble. As it is, I have to

> > practically beg him to take me

> > places, other than work of course. He's always

> like,

> > " Call someone else and

> > have them take you " . But we all have to think

> > positive and be thankful that

> > we aren't driving and taking the risk of hurting

> > someone else or ourselves.

> > It sure helps having someone else with similar

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> > truly understands what we are facing.

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Thanks so much.

I am a member of a peripartum cardiomyopathy group www.amothersheart.org and there are several women who have ICDs but only one other has been shocked. So it's nice to talk to others who know!

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of thenumberonelemingSent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:50 PM Subject: Re: Driving

Hi , I guess by now you know that every one of us face this issueof not being able to drive for X period of time. Such time differsfrom state to state, province to province, country to country, andabove all our family doctors, our cardiologists and EPs themselveshave their rules about this. Where I live, in the province of BritishColumbia in Canada, in my case it didn't matter whether or not I stillhad my driver's license or whether or not the gov't knew about mycondition, my insurance coverage is void from the time the doctors sayno and it's put on the medical record. It won't be valid again untilthe docs (not just your family doctor either) have written into yourrecord that it is safe for you to drive again.From time to time we hear from someone that they can NEVER driveagain! imagine that one. Having said that, I have not been allowed to drive for four years now,and just a couple of weeks ago, my cardio and doctor has lifted that"ban", but want me to take some refresher driving with a retiredinstructer because I haven't been behind the wheel in 4 years. Thelength of time for me was that I had a stroke in 2003, and after thatand a gazillion tests later, my ICD "Linus" was implanted in Feb of 2005, and I have never had a ZAP,(touch wood) nor passed out(whew!)during all that time. So perhaps it would help you cope if you think about why YOU are beingtold not to drive? - The reason may beyond just the implant itself. Ittook me these 4 years to get accustomed to not driving, as anexecutive with the federal goverment, I travelled the country by air,and car, and never once thought anything of it. Suddenly Losingcontrol over the life I knew included that vehicle issue. and yep,it's the pits. In my situation, I had kept my car licensed ready togo right up to last fall, with that remote hope in my heart that I'dsomehow get "better enough" and then last fall decided to give in towhat looked like the inevitable, so I sold my beloved car to my niece.so I now don't have a car, and yep, now I'm allowed to drive. huh.re-thinking my financials now to see if I can afford another car.haha. Pd bills with the money I got last fall so it's gone gone gone.Keep your head up, , find your alternatives, do what your docssay, and "BETTER" will come, in its own time. We are all here, and youbetter believe, I have vented here more than once! lol Just writingthis email helps. You know something, in all this time, I have NEVERmet anyone in person who has an ICD. This wite is the only place whereI have 'friends' who understand. I thank God every day in my prayersfor Zapper and Duff and all the rest of you.I wish you the best.Lynda and Linus, and Sweetie the Cat.ps Joan, I sympathize with your husband who seems to be hearing onething from the doc and finding out another from the gov't.. That isthe one "rule" that I think is federal law here too in Canada too, butI don't know that for a fact. Seems to me that there was a fellow fromthe Maritimes who wrote in some time ago that his commercial licensehad been taken for life too. I guess we have to keep saying to ouselves, it's really NOT THE ICDthat is causing these changes, it is the bald fact that we all have asickness of some kind in our heart that we need to make certainchanges in our lives, matters not that we didn't know sometimesbeforehand that we were even sick, the fact remains that we now are.and the ICD is there to help us, as are the meds we take by thehandful every day. God bless.>> Have I mentioned how much I hate hate hate hate hate that I can't drive?> > I'm wondering if anyonee else is in or has been in a similarsituation and> what their doctor told them.> > My EF was 15 in 2/07> ICD placed 2/07> VF shock 4/9/07 - told no drive until 10/9/07> multiple VT episodes> failed sotolol> EF 33% 4/23/07> VT ablation 5/25/07- successful except for retinal thrombosis (yay me)> > I am aware of the latest guidelines but I know they also say theyneed to be> individualized to particular patients. I think my EP doctor has not one> ounce of compassion towards my situation (I'm a mom of twin 3 yearolds and> a 10 month old) but just looks at me as some crazy person with VTand PVCs.>__________ NOD32 2299 (20070530) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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Thanks.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of ph SchmidtSent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 7:33 PM Subject: RE: Driving

,

WOW! Life must be busy with the three little ones. I have never been zapped or told not to drive for very long (a couple of weeks at most). I don’t know how I will react if I am ever told that I can’t drive. I can sure see anger and frustration entering the picture. I think that is called being human.

Unless you adopted these youngsters I am likely old enough to be your father. I am 3F for those who count in hexadecimal. When my mother had to be told not to drive, her doctor asked her how she would feel if she caused serious injury to someone because her memory problem made it unsafe for her to drive. Mom promised not to drive but I later found out that she would drive the car up and down the driveway for practice in case she was ever told she could drive again. We eventually took away the temptation of the car and mom went to a better place in 2002 where driving is no longer an issue. Does anyone know if they have cars in heaven?

I am sure it is a royal pain in the old swivel chair not to be able to drive. I can’t imagine how I would feel if I caused someone injury because I didn’t follow the best recommendations.

As for your doctor not having any compassion I understand your frustration. There are three major professions to be considered. Doctor, lawyer and Indian chief (government). Your doctor might be afraid of the lawyer or the Indian chief.

On the bright side you have those three wonderful children, your EF has more than doubled and you are not spending $3.50 per gallon of gas.

You might want to double check with your doctor to see if the ablation changes the no drive date. Be aware that you might not like the answer.

While typing this I was praying for you.

Enjoy those kids. They grow up too quickly. My baby is now 40.

Joe Schmidt

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-----Original Message-----From: [mailto: ]On Behalf Of BakerSent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 3:25 PM Subject: Driving

Have I mentioned how much I hate hate hate hate hate that I can't drive?

I'm wondering if anyonee else is in or has been in a similar situation and what their doctor told them.

My EF was 15 in 2/07

ICD placed 2/07

VF shock 4/9/07 - told no drive until 10/9/07

multiple VT episodes

failed sotolol

EF 33% 4/23/07

VT ablation 5/25/07- successful except for retinal thrombosis (yay me)

I am aware of the latest guidelines but I know they also say they need to be individualized to particular patients. I think my EP doctor has not one ounce of compassion towards my situation (I'm a mom of twin 3 year olds and a 10 month old) but just looks at me as some crazy person with VT and PVCs.

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Wouldn't that be nice.

Do you have a driving restriction now too?

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of KauffmanSent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 8:16 PM Subject: Re: Driving

Hi ,I am so sorry. I hate hate hate not driving too butthe thought of hurting my son or one of his palsbrings be right down to earth.I am however thinking of taking a trip to Montana onthis long stretch of road where no one lives and drivelike a crazy woman. I know it is hard to have kids and heart stuff goingon. My son was 9 months old when I had open heartsurgery. Then the pesky cardiac arrest was jan 07. Myheart is not stable and my zapper has been busy. Butheck I am still here.I would love however to go out and party like crazydrive a fast car and pretend I was me before all thisstuff happened. hang in there --- Baker <laurarnrochester (DOT) rr.com> wrote:> Have I mentioned how much I hate hate hate hate hate> that I can't drive?> > I'm wondering if anyonee else is in or has been in a> similar situation and> what their doctor told them.> > My EF was 15 in 2/07> ICD placed 2/07> VF shock 4/9/07 - told no drive until 10/9/07> multiple VT episodes> failed sotolol> EF 33% 4/23/07> VT ablation 5/25/07- successful except for retinal> thrombosis (yay me)> > I am aware of the latest guidelines but I know they> also say they need to be> individualized to particular patients. I think my EP> doctor has not one> ounce of compassion towards my situation (I'm a mom> of twin 3 year olds and> a 10 month old) but just looks at me as some crazy> person with VT and PVCs.> > __________________________________________________________Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Games.http://get.games./proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow __________ NOD32 2299 (20070530) Information __________This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com

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I've had cardiomyopathy since 1994. I was 29% at diagnosis and improved to 50% for awhile then decreased to 35-40% and remained there through a twin pregnancy. I got pregnant again 18 months later and my EF fell from 35% to 25% throughout my pregnancy. About 7 months postpartum (2/07) it was 15%. They think I had a peripartum process on top of my existing vial cardiomyopathy and that is improving somewhat which is why things are getting a little better. Since Feb I'm on a lot higher medication doses as well.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Darlene El TohamySent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: RE: Driving

Hi - I am glad your EF has improved. What do you credit with it's improvement. What was it in the beginning? Thanks for sharing. Darlene Baker <laurarnrochester (DOT) rr.com> wrote:

I know the guidelines say no driving for 6 months after a shock but I don't get why this doesn't apply to paced out episodes. (Maybe I shouldn't complain about that of course since I've been paced out 7 times.)

But my EF has improved

the VT is gone (we hope.. I wouldn't even consider it until we're sure about that)

I didn't pass out when I was shocked

I only needed one shock and was completely fine after (I didn't even realize I had been shocked)

Not driving is come back to be not being able to drive!

So that's why it's so fustrating!

She told me there was nothing she could do and it was federal rules.. my regular cardiologist told me that if they fixed the VT I could drive sooner but my EP said no.

Oh yeah and I had a branch retinal artery occlusion during the procedure so now I'm missing some vision (the opthalmologist said this would not af hematoma the size of my thigh and am now on blood thinners.

So it's been a rough few months. The good news is they said I might be able to go back to work in a few weeks. I've been out since I got my ICD.

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of niteowlSent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 9:14 PM Subject: Re: Driving

Hello, if the group doesn't mind, I'd like to My husband has a defibrillator/pacemaker. And since Oct. '06, I've been having seizures at least 1 or 2 a month for unknown causes. And yes I do take my meds. I am also not allowed to drive for this reason. And it is hard, being 44 yrs old and losing your freedom to drive. I am not a dependant person, or should I rephrase that to, "I wasn't a dependant person". And if they ever take my husbands driving privlige away, we'd really be in trouble. As it is, I have to practically beg him to take me places, other than work of course. He's always like, "Call someone else and have them take you". But we all have to think positive and be thankful that we aren't driving and taking the risk of hurting someone else or ourselves. It sure helps having someone else with similar situations to talk to that truly understands what we are facing.Need Mail bonding?Go to the http://www.eset.com

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----- Original Message -----

From: " Hiranuma "

> You did hear a pow. For me, it was more of a pop.

> It's the capacitor discharging. It's the same sound

> a strobe light makes when it fires.

:

My wife asked that they put a strobe light in my chest along with the ICD.

She has always wanted me to be brighter than I am.

From California where they think a strobe light is a lower calorie beer.

Bill

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Wow, Chris! Another shining example of motherly

devotion and fortitude in the face of OCD. My hat's

off to you.

--- ----------- <design4waves@...> wrote:

>

>

> My DD (Miz, 19) got her driver's license last week!

> She has had a lot of practice time with me, this

> summer (though during her college time this year,

> she

> had no practice). I also paid for two sessions of

> two

> hours' each with a driving instructor from a driving

> school. He took her through the whole driving test

> that the DMV would do, even doing this right from

> the

> DMV parking lot! He then recommended a few weeks'

> more

> practice, which we did. In addition to practicing

> driving, I've got little Matchbox cars and drawn out

> various driving situations on paper and used the toy

> cars to demonstrate parking, merging onto the

> freeway,

> making various turns, and so on. I've noted all her

> glitches and mistakes and asked her why she chose

> those moves, and what she needed to do, instead.

> This

> is about twice as much practice and instruction as I

> had to give my son (16) when I taught him to drive.

> It

> came naturally for him. Miz has had to work harder,

> and she still needs additional instruction. I am

> going

> to do as much as I can before she returns to college

> (three hours from here). I think the biggest OCDism

> that plagues her is her tendency to act like she is

> the only one on the road! By this, I mean that

> sometimes she will just stop before completing a

> right

> turn, kind of questioning whether or not she can

> safely move forward. Meanwhile, of course, the end

> of

> the van is sticking out into the lane she was

> leaving

> and blocking traffic! The moments of " doubt "

> definitely interfere with her safety in driving. I

> am

> helping her think this out, visualize it with the

> toy

> cars, " feel it " as I drill her on various skills in

> the car, and talk it out, daily.

>

> in VA

>

>

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Hi

I´m Kerstin, live in germany 30yrs old with SMA II. I have a Ford Windstar

and I drive with a Gas, Brake & Steering System (WL-Serie) from EMC. I drive

also my permobil right up in the drivers position.

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Hi!

Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana that i

drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive for cold

weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

/Adam

lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

car u have

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im not totaly sure yet but i will also have a joy stick and just basicly

everything on a button

do u drive form your chair ?

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote:

Hi!

Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana that i

drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive for cold

weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

/Adam

lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

car u have

laura type 2

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Cool, i have a control panel with all the most important functions(like volym

for the car stereo) right by the joystick:) its working really nice!

Yes,i drive my Permobil right up in the drivers possition where i have a

wheelchair lock wich holds me in place when i drive.

as if <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

im not totaly sure yet but i will also have a joy stick and just

basicly everything on a button

do u drive form your chair ?

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote:

Hi!

Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana that i

drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive for cold

weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

/Adam

lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

car u have

laura type 2

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I drive from my chair. I use the existing sterring wheel and have hand

controls for gas, brake and emergency brake. I drive a 99' dodge caravan.

Hope that helps. Feel free to ask any questions you may have.

On 7/25/07, adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote:

>

> Cool, i have a control panel with all the most important functions(like

> volym for the car stereo) right by the joystick:) its working really nice!

> Yes,i drive my Permobil right up in the drivers possition where i have a

> wheelchair lock wich holds me in place when i drive.

>

> as if <xx_laura_s_xx@... <xx_laura_s_xx%40>> wrote:

> im not totaly sure yet but i will also have a joy stick and just basicly

> everything on a button

> do u drive form your chair ?

>

> adamski ekski <adistheone2002@... <adistheone2002%40>>

> wrote:

> Hi!

>

> Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana

> that i drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive

> for cold weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

>

> /Adam

>

> lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@... <xx_laura_s_xx%40>> wrote:

> hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

> do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

> car u have

>

> laura type 2

>

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cool so can you get in and out the car yourself and do go in from the back or

side

laura

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote:

Hi!

Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana that i

drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive for cold

weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

/Adam

lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

car u have

laura type 2

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sure, i have buttons on my permobil for opening n closing the car doors. I get

in from the side, i find that a bit easier:)

Adam

as if <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

cool so can you get in and out the car yourself and do go in from the

back or side

laura

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote:

Hi!

Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana that i

drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive for cold

weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

/Adam

lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

car u have

laura type 2

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sorry but what is a permobil ??

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote: sure, i have buttons on

my permobil for opening n closing the car doors. I get in from the side, i find

that a bit easier:)

Adam

as if <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

cool so can you get in and out the car yourself and do go in from the back or

side

laura

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote:

Hi!

Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana that i

drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive for cold

weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

/Adam

lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

car u have

laura type 2

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oh sorry, a Permobil is just a brand on a electric wheelchair:)

www.permobil.com

a swedish brand;)

Adam

as if <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

sorry but what is a permobil ??

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote: sure, i have buttons on my

permobil for opening n closing the car doors. I get in from the side, i find

that a bit easier:)

Adam

as if <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

cool so can you get in and out the car yourself and do go in from the back or

side

laura

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote:

Hi!

Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana that i

drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive for cold

weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

/Adam

lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

car u have

laura type 2

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o cool. did it take long for you to get your car did u find it hard to get

driving lessons ?

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote: oh sorry, a Permobil is

just a brand on a electric wheelchair:)

www.permobil.com

a swedish brand;)

Adam

as if <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

sorry but what is a permobil ??

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote: sure, i have buttons on my

permobil for opening n closing the car doors. I get in from the side, i find

that a bit easier:)

Adam

as if <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

cool so can you get in and out the car yourself and do go in from the back or

side

laura

adamski ekski <adistheone2002@...> wrote:

Hi!

Im Adam ,and i live in Sweden n im SMA 2. I have a 2003 Pontiac Montana that i

drive with a joystick. Its great when it works but it very sensitive for cold

weather. What sort of addaptions shall u have?

/Adam

lauramechelle <xx_laura_s_xx@...> wrote:

hi have just reasntly started applying to drive cant wate

do any of you drive and can you tell me about addaptions and types of

car u have

laura type 2

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