Guest guest Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Hi, Is in Alaska still here? We have communicated in the past. My daughter has just turned 15 in July and still has several upper baby teeth that don't want to come out. And her mouth is too small for them to fit. I'm faced with extractions and braces but I want to explore all the options. I am wondering if there is such a thing as a holistic orthodontist? that will work with me to minimize the extractions and impact on her jaw and body etc. Can anyone point me to something? I'll search the internet also and try the dental cleanse list. Thanks guys, Jan in WA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Hi Alena How's are things?Merry Christmas I also stuck here...I found through the Inet the age is 11 ?...but not sure.. Please anyone help us!!! From: T <talhaindia18>Subject: NEED ADVICE!!!Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:31 PM Hello, ive started studying for ORE Part 1, I have bought the oxford handbooks on applied sciences and clinical dentistry and also mastering dentistry vol 1 and 2. Can anyone suggest any other books i might need. Im planning to take it in april because i have taken NBDE Part 1 and 2 in U.S., so i believe i just need to brush up on everything. Also, does anyone know where i can get old papers and important questions. Any advice will be appreciated, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 .. ok here is some detail that I would like to put forward. Usually the recommended option is diphasic treatment. i.e. treatment first at the 2nd growth spurt usually at puberty and then after controlling most of the skeletal factors checking profile... then decompensating the profile and after that compensating it after the surgical protocol. For both orthodontic and orthognatic the recommended is usually after the growth has stopped usually after 25 in adults. But before orthoganatic surgery one has to decompensate. hope this helped. My knowledge comes from the study of Moyers and Profitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Hi Dr.Irfan So is it 25..."But before orthoganatic surgery one has to decompensate"-sorry didn't get it Sincerely Lyuda From: drirfansalim <irfansalim85@...>Subject: Re: Orthodontics Date: Tuesday, 29 December, 2009, 20:21 .. ok here is some detail that I would like to put forward.Usually the recommended option is diphasic treatment. i.e. treatment first at the 2nd growth spurt usually at puberty and then after controlling most of the skeletal factors checking profile... then decompensating the profile and after that compensating it after the surgical protocol.For both orthodontic and orthognatic the recommended is usually after the growth has stopped usually after 25 in adults. But before orthoganatic surgery one has to decompensate. :)hope this helped.My knowledge comes from the study of Moyers and Profitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Compensation: All orthodontic treatment is based on over-compensation .. i.e making overperfection in layman terms. This helps that even there is slight relapse so the condition doesnt actually get distorted badly. Decompensation: it is done before orthognathic surgery. What it means is that the teeth are arranged according to their bases. Maxillary teeth are arranged according to the maxilla and mandibular teeth according to the mandible. This actually helps during orthognathic surgery. Now in orthognathic surgery we arrange the bases .. then after orthognathic surgery extractions if needed are undertaken and overcompensation is done. Does this help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Orthodontic treatment is divided into: - Interceptive: Tongue guard, space maintainers, screw appliances may be given from age 6 onward, if child can wear and no contra-indicattion for medical, behavioural or other reasons. Similarly, headgrear, lower lingual arch may be used after age 8-9 when first molar is fully erupted for distalization of upper arch and keeping the lower molars in place respecively. Utility arches (fixed appliance) may also be used at this age - Growth spurt limit for girls is 11-12 and for boys 13-14: Growth modification appliance, e.g. Twin Block etc. may be used between age 9-10 - For full bond and bands orthodontic, age is 11-13, as canine is the last tooth to erupt and this is the time when fixed brace treatment can be started - For orthognathic surgery, age is 20, till all facial structures are matured Again, all factors should be taken into account first - Medical, dental, social, financial etc. From: Dr Avery <avery_dr@...> Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 12:52:34 AMSubject: Re: Orthodontics Hi Alena How's are things?Merry Christmas I also stuck here...I found through the Inet the age is 11 ?...but not sure.. Please anyone help us!!! From: T <talhaindia18>Subject: NEED ADVICE!!!Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:31 PM Hello, ive started studying for ORE Part 1, I have bought the oxford handbooks on applied sciences and clinical dentistry and also mastering dentistry vol 1 and 2. Can anyone suggest any other books i might need. Im planning to take it in april because i have taken NBDE Part 1 and 2 in U.S., so i believe i just need to brush up on everything. Also, does anyone know where i can get old papers and important questions. Any advice will be appreciated, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 hello Dr. Irfan, U did provide excellent info. May I ask where and when did u graduate from and what's is yr speciality?? Cheers, May From: drirfansalim <irfansalim85@...>Subject: Re: Orthodontics Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:40 PM Compensation:All orthodontic treatment is based on over-compensation .. i.e making overperfection in layman terms. This helps that even there is slight relapse so the condition doesnt actually get distorted badly.Decompensation:it is done before orthognathic surgery. What it means is that the teeth are arranged according to their bases. Maxillary teeth are arranged according to the maxilla and mandibular teeth according to the mandible. This actually helps during orthognathic surgery.Now in orthognathic surgery we arrange the bases .. then after orthognathic surgery extractions if needed are undertaken and overcompensation is done.Does this help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Thank you very much both of you it is a very comprehensive guide Thanks a lot Alena From: drirfansalim <irfansalim85>Subject: Re: OrthodonticsDate: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 8:40 PM Compensation:All orthodontic treatment is based on over-compensation .. i.e making overperfection in layman terms. This helps that even there is slight relapse so the condition doesnt actually get distorted badly.Decompensation:it is done before orthognathic surgery. What it means is that the teeth are arranged according to their bases. Maxillary teeth are arranged according to the maxilla and mandibular teeth according to the mandible. This actually helps during orthognathic surgery.Now in orthognathic surgery we arrange the bases .. then after orthognathic surgery extractions if needed are undertaken and overcompensation is done.Does this help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 thank you . you brought a smile to my face. thanks to you too ... well I graduated few days ago .. lol .. as in I completed my house job now .. I graduated from Pakistan Peshawar from Khyber College of dentistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 I also didnt get it From: drirfansalim <irfansalim85@...>Subject: Re: Orthodontics Date: Tuesday, 29 December, 2009, 20:21 .. ok here is some detail that I would like to put forward.Usually the recommended option is diphasic treatment. i.e. treatment first at the 2nd growth spurt usually at puberty and then after controlling most of the skeletal factors checking profile... then decompensating the profile and after that compensating it after the surgical protocol.For both orthodontic and orthognatic the recommended is usually after the growth has stopped usually after 25 in adults. But before orthoganatic surgery one has to decompensate. :)hope this helped.My knowledge comes from the study of Moyers and Profitt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2009 Report Share Posted December 29, 2009 Yeah that's perfect From: drirfansalim <irfansalim85@...>Subject: Re: Orthodontics Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 10:40 PM Compensation:All orthodontic treatment is based on over-compensation .. i.e making overperfection in layman terms. This helps that even there is slight relapse so the condition doesnt actually get distorted badly.Decompensation:it is done before orthognathic surgery. What it means is that the teeth are arranged according to their bases. Maxillary teeth are arranged according to the maxilla and mandibular teeth according to the mandible. This actually helps during orthognathic surgery.Now in orthognathic surgery we arrange the bases .. then after orthognathic surgery extractions if needed are undertaken and overcompensation is done.Does this help. ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2010 Report Share Posted January 8, 2010 The best age for orthognatic surgery is when growth has finished at the age of 18-21 years > > > > From: T <talhaindia18@...> > Subject: NEED ADVICE!!! > > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:31 PM > > > Â > > > > Hello, ive started studying for ORE Part 1, I have bought the oxford handbooks on applied sciences and clinical dentistry and also mastering dentistry vol 1 and 2. Can anyone suggest any other books i might need. Im planning to take it in april because i have taken NBDE Part 1 and 2 in U.S., so i believe i just need to brush up on everything. Also, does anyone know where i can get old papers and important questions. Any advice will be appreciated, thank you. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 From: T <talhaindia18>Subject: NEED ADVICE!!!Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:31 PM Hello, ive started studying for ORE Part 1, I have bought the oxford handbooks on applied sciences and clinical dentistry and also mastering dentistry vol 1 and 2. Can anyone suggest any other books i might need. Im planning to take it in april because i have taken NBDE Part 1 and 2 in U.S., so i believe i just need to brush up on everything. Also, does anyone know where i can get old papers and important questions. Any advice will be appreciated, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2010 Report Share Posted January 9, 2010 Hello Rodrigo, God luck in Part 1. About past papers, I think u have to check the files attached to the group ..i think u'll have good idea abt. how the qs. will be in part 1. cheers, Charlot From: rodrigo_gutierrez_madrigal <rodrigo_gutierrez_madrigal@...> Sent: Sat, January 9, 2010 1:02:29 AMSubject: Re: Orthodontics The best age for orthognatic surgery is when growth has finished at the age of 18-21 years > > > > From: T <talhaindia18@ ...>> Subject: NEED ADVICE!!!> > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:31 PM> > > Â > > > > Hello, ive started studying for ORE Part 1, I have bought the oxford handbooks on applied sciences and clinical dentistry and also mastering dentistry vol 1 and 2. Can anyone suggest any other books i might need. Im planning to take it in april because i have taken NBDE Part 1 and 2 in U.S., so i believe i just need to brush up on everything. Also, does anyone know where i can get old papers and important questions. Any advice will be appreciated, thank you.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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