Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 hi Di! it is nice to meet you! welcome to the group! congratulations on your achievements! 40 pounds! way to go!! dont let the recent readings on the scale discourage you.... you are putting on muscle mass while you reduce fat mass. the muscles weigh more than the fat, yet take up less room. so that is why your weight is a bit heavier, yet your clothes are looser. this is a very good thing! keep up the really great work! :*carolyn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Very common Di! You are losing fat, and gaining muscle! A very good thing. Keep up the good work! :)BTW, welcome to the group, I'm sure you will love it here. I'm Darcy a SAHM to my two boys whom are 3 and 1. Recently, I've decided to become a personal trainer and work out of my own personal gym. I've had just one client cuz I haven't advertised, but it's going wonderful Anyway, I look forward to getting to know ya! :)DarcyOn 7/15/06, dnew219 <dnew219@...> wrote: Hi All, I am new to the group and would like to introduce myself. I am a Mom of 2 and have recently lost 40lbs using The Firm videos, and reducing my caloric intake. I have mostly used The Firm with the transfirmer, and weights. I started with no weights and have increased to 10 pound weights. Now I'm finding that I am gaining weight on the scale. I exercise 6 days a week for about 1 1/2 hours. Despite the weight gain my clothes still fit and some are a little looser. Has anyone else experienced this? Thanks, Di Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Thanks Carolyn, That is really helpful! I was hoping I wouldn't have to starve myself to keep gettin weight off. Di > > hi Di! it is nice to meet you! welcome to the group! > congratulations on your achievements! 40 pounds! way to go!! > dont let the recent readings on the scale discourage you.... you > are putting on muscle mass while you reduce fat mass. > the muscles weigh more than the fat, yet take up less room. so that > is why your weight is a bit heavier, yet your clothes are looser. > this is a very good thing! keep up the really great work! > :*carolyn. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2006 Report Share Posted July 15, 2006 Hi Darcy, Good Luck with the personal training. I'm so happy to know that I am not just puttin on weight with all of the hard work I've done. Right now I am a size eight and can wear some sixes. I thinking it would be great to be a size 4 but then when is it time to accept where you are with your weight. ( Before the weight loss I was a size 16) Di > > > > Hi All, > > I am new to the group and would like to introduce myself. I am a Mom > > of 2 and have recently lost 40lbs using The Firm videos, and reducing > > my caloric intake. I have mostly used The Firm with the transfirmer, > > and weights. I started with no weights and have increased to 10 pound > > weights. Now I'm finding that I am gaining weight on the scale. I > > exercise 6 days a week for about 1 1/2 hours. Despite the weight gain > > my clothes still fit and some are a little looser. Has anyone else > > experienced this? > > Thanks, > > Di > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - By studying the diets of 52 normal-weight adults and 52 overweight or obese adults, researchers found that normal-weight adults ate more fiber and fruit each day than their overweight and obese counterparts. "These findings suggest that the composition of a diet, especially low dietary fiber and fruit intake, play a role in the (development) of obesity," concludes the study team in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. For all study subjects, Dr. Jaimie N. of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles and colleagues determined the dietary amount of 60 food items using a food frequency questionnaire, assessed physical activity levels and determined percent body fat. All of the subjects were about the same age and height. ' group found marked differences in the dietary habits of the two groups. The overweight and obese subjects consumed more total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol, and less carbohydrate, specifically dietary fiber and complex carbohydrate, than normal weight subjects. The differences in diet composition "may have played a vital role in promoting or preventing obesity," they write. Normal-weight adults consumed an average of 33 percent more dietary fiber and 43 percent more complex carbohydrates daily than their overweight and obese counterparts. Dietary fiber and complex carbohydrate intake were inversely related to body weight and "most strongly" to percent body fat. Compared with normal-weight subjects, overweight and obese subjects consumed about one less fruit serving daily, which may partly explain their lower fiber and carbohydrate intake. There are several mechanisms by which dietary fiber may reduce the risk of weight gain or obesity. Dietary fiber, for example, slows digestion, prolonging that "full" feeling and foods high in fiber are usually low in fat and calories. "The public is still attracted to popular weight-loss strategies that emphasize decreasing carbohydrate and increasing fat and protein," the study team notes in their report. "Although there is evidence that high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets produce substantial weight loss in the short-term, to date there are no long-term studies that examine the effects of these regimens." While there is no magic formula for weight loss, in the current study, "dietary fiber, complex carbohydrates and fruit were associated with lower body fat stores in adults," told Reuters Health. "These results suggest that increasing dietary fiber, complex carbohydrates and fruit in an individual's diet should be an important part of dietary interventions," the researcher concluded. SOURCE: Journal of the American Dietetic Association, June 2006. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 EXCELLENT article Tim,, but dont forget the protein,, especially those of us with liver issues,, we NEED protein to help our livers function better and to help treatment work better,, UNLESS we are DECOMPENSATED.. jaxHillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - By studying the diets of 52 normal-weight adults and 52 overweight or obese adults, researchers found that normal-weight adults ate more fiber and fruit each day than their overweight and obese counterparts. "These findings suggest that the composition of a diet, especially low dietary fiber and fruit intake, play a role in the (development) of obesity," concludes the study team in the Journal of the American Dietetic Association. For all study subjects, Dr. Jaimie N. of the University of Southern California in Los Angeles and colleagues determined the dietary amount of 60 food items using a food frequency questionnaire, assessed physical activity levels and determined percent body fat. All of the subjects were about the same age and height. ' group found marked differences in the dietary habits of the two groups. The overweight and obese subjects consumed more total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol, and less carbohydrate, specifically dietary fiber and complex carbohydrate, than normal weight subjects. The differences in diet composition "may have played a vital role in promoting or preventing obesity," they write. Normal-weight adults consumed an average of 33 percent more dietary fiber and 43 percent more complex carbohydrates daily than their overweight and obese counterparts. Dietary fiber and complex carbohydrate intake were inversely related to body weight and "most strongly" to percent body fat. Compared with normal-weight subjects, overweight and obese subjects consumed about one less fruit serving daily, which may partly explain their lower fiber and carbohydrate intake. There are several mechanisms by which dietary fiber may reduce the risk of weight gain or obesity. Dietary fiber, for example, slows digestion, prolonging that "full" feeling and foods high in fiber are usually low in fat and calories. "The public is still attracted to popular weight-loss strategies that emphasize decreasing carbohydrate and increasing fat and protein," the study team notes in their report. "Although there is evidence that high-protein, low-carbohydrate diets produce substantial weight loss in the short-term, to date there are no long-term studies that examine the effects of these regimens." While there is no magic formula for weight loss, in the current study, "dietary fiber, complex carbohydrates and fruit were associated with lower body fat stores in adults," told Reuters Health. "These results suggest that increasing dietary fiber, complex carbohydrates and fruit in an individual's diet should be an important part of dietary interventions," the researcher concluded. SOURCE: Journal of the American Dietetic Association, June 2006. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com Talk is cheap. Use Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about.Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 I think there are many differing opinions on what diet should be during treatment . The only time proteins need to be avoided is if you have allot of damage in the liver . Then the proteins can't be processed by the liver correctly , and the end result is ammonia in the blood . Which leads to hepatic encephalopathy , coma , and can lead to death . Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Yes, I went back and did a bunch of reading and it confirms what you just said. Oh well, I guess it hasn't hurt me any. I do get some protein but have cut back on like red meat since it is higher in iron. I don't know what the shape of my liver is in since I haven't got a biopsy yet so it probably isn't hurting eating higher carbs. I supplement with Boost Plus alot too to assure that I get good supplementation in my diet. Ally On 7/20/06, elizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: I think there are many differing opinions on what diet should be during treatment . The only time proteins need to be avoided is if you have allot of damage in the liver . Then the proteins can't be processed by the liver correctly , and the end result is ammonia in the blood . Which leads to hepatic encephalopathy , coma , and can lead to death . Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Hi Ally Well adequate protein is not "high" protein.. One actually needs half a gram of protein for each pound of body weight, so if you are say 150 pounds, you need aprox 75 grams of pro each day.. and pro does NOT have to be red meat and fatty meats, it can be the protein found in vegetables, in tofu, low fat cheeses and dairy if you tolerate dairy, turkey, fish, chicken etc,, the important part of getting adequate protein is the glutathione which is very necessary in the hepatocytes.. alpha lipoic acid can convert itself into glutathione so if you are not getting enough prot such as that half gram for each pound you weigh, you might want to talk with your doc about ALA.. just a suggestion, and remember I AM NOT a doc,, and everything MUST be discussed with your own doc.. There is a huge amount of mis-information as you said about prot and liver disease,, but unless your liver is decompensated,, and if you are , you would be notified by your doc about that,, you NEED protein to help maintain your liver..Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote: Yes, I went back and did a bunch of reading and it confirms what you just said. Oh well, I guess it hasn't hurt me any. I do get some protein but have cut back on like red meat since it is higher in iron. I don't know what the shape of my liver is in since I haven't got a biopsy yet so it probably isn't hurting eating higher carbs. I supplement with Boost Plus alot too to assure that I get good supplementation in my diet. Ally On 7/20/06, elizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: I think there are many differing opinions on what diet should be during treatment . The only time proteins need to be avoided is if you have allot of damage in the liver . Then the proteins can't be processed by the liver correctly , and the end result is ammonia in the blood . Which leads to hepatic encephalopathy , coma , and can lead to death . Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Ally, The carbs ALL break down to sugars and sugar is poison to the liver.. Also, those of us with hep also have a higher incident of diabetes and eating mostly carbs can exacerbate that.. Are you eating a lot of fiber with the carbs? and it depends on what KIND of carbs, what source they come from.. if you are eating lots of white potatoes, white pasta, white breads, white rice,, those can really cause trouble cuz they are nothing but sugar... just make sure you get half gram of a good source of pro per pound of body weight to make sure your liver is getting enough glutathione... Im very worried about a nutritionist who advocates a carb diet,, thats scary to me..I'd call the drug company and ask them about the diet,, I KNOW that I WAS TOLD by Scherring that I must be on a protein based diet while on Interferon... She stressed the prot and said it was as important if not more important than any thing else I could do for myself.. Good luck sweetie, you are doing ok, after all , you are doing tx,, Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote: Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@...> wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Thanks for all this info. I will definitely have a talk with my nutritionist about it. I do eat some protein so it's not like I totally eliminated it. I do eat like turkey, beans, chicken, etc but was eating 60% carbs. I will also be asking my Dr about all this too. I never thought to check with her, just got info online and went by that, silly me. Live and learn, right? Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Ally, The carbs ALL break down to sugars and sugar is poison to the liver.. Also, those of us with hep also have a higher incident of diabetes and eating mostly carbs can exacerbate that.. Are you eating a lot of fiber with the carbs? and it depends on what KIND of carbs, what source they come from.. if you are eating lots of white potatoes, white pasta, white breads, white rice,, those can really cause trouble cuz they are nothing but sugar... just make sure you get half gram of a good source of pro per pound of body weight to make sure your liver is getting enough glutathione... Im very worried about a nutritionist who advocates a carb diet,, thats scary to me..I'd call the drug company and ask them about the diet,, I KNOW that I WAS TOLD by Scherring that I must be on a protein based diet while on Interferon... She stressed the prot and said it was as important if not more important than any thing else I could do for myself.. Good luck sweetie, you are doing ok, after all , you are doing tx,, Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote: Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2006 Report Share Posted July 20, 2006 Ally You may be eating more protein than what you know so thats probably why you are doing so well,, dont get all worked up sweetie, stress isnt good for our livers, thats for sure!!! 60% carbo is probably ok,, it just depends on what the sourses are of the carbos,, you have to remember that you must be doing things ok,, you did go undetectible,, so remember that,, and NO ONE should be on just protein,, let us know what you find out too,, jaxAlly <4thMoon@...> wrote: Thanks for all this info. I will definitely have a talk with my nutritionist about it. I do eat some protein so it's not like I totally eliminated it. I do eat like turkey, beans, chicken, etc but was eating 60% carbs. I will also be asking my Dr about all this too. I never thought to check with her, just got info online and went by that, silly me. Live and learn, right? Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Ally, The carbs ALL break down to sugars and sugar is poison to the liver.. Also, those of us with hep also have a higher incident of diabetes and eating mostly carbs can exacerbate that.. Are you eating a lot of fiber with the carbs? and it depends on what KIND of carbs, what source they come from.. if you are eating lots of white potatoes, white pasta, white breads, white rice,, those can really cause trouble cuz they are nothing but sugar... just make sure you get half gram of a good source of pro per pound of body weight to make sure your liver is getting enough glutathione... Im very worried about a nutritionist who advocates a carb diet,, thats scary to me..I'd call the drug company and ask them about the diet,, I KNOW that I WAS TOLD by Scherring that I must be on a protein based diet while on Interferon... She stressed the prot and said it was as important if not more important than any thing else I could do for myself.. Good luck sweetie, you are doing ok, after all , you are doing tx,, Ally <4thMoon@...> wrote: Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 I good way to find out about the state of your liver (guesstimated that is ) is by having your iron levels done . The more damage the higher the liver saturation of your blood . But the best way would be for you to have a biopsy . Doesnt Boost have iron in it ? Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim <knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 It has a little iron in it yes but I checked with my Dr about that and she said that because it is iron that is coming from food rather then a supplement it would be okay in the amount I am taking in and it obviously hasn't effected the effectiveness of the treatment so I'll keep drinking it as a supplement. Yes, the biopsy, well, I can't get it till my Dr gives it to me and that won't be till after tx so I am rather stuck there. On 7/21/06, elizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: I good way to find out about the state of your liver (guesstimated that is ) is by having your iron levels done . The more damage the higher the liver saturation of your blood . But the best way would be for you to have a biopsy . Doesnt Boost have iron in it ? Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim < knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2006 Report Share Posted July 21, 2006 ally, make sure you keep an eye on your ferritin levels,, really,, even a little iron added to boost can be a problem,, hopefully it wont,, remember that iron has no way to escape other than bleeding,, so if you still have your periods, that should help to take care of it, but if not, please be careful... hep tends to cause you to store iron and that can effect the long term outcome of tx,, you are winning now,, and I have read that its actually better to be short on iron rather than up on iron while on tx... I dont know how old you are so Im going to assume you are still having your periods so its probably ok! hugs jaxAlly <4thMoon@...> wrote: It has a little iron in it yes but I checked with my Dr about that and she said that because it is iron that is coming from food rather then a supplement it would be okay in the amount I am taking in and it obviously hasn't effected the effectiveness of the treatment so I'll keep drinking it as a supplement. Yes, the biopsy, well, I can't get it till my Dr gives it to me and that won't be till after tx so I am rather stuck there. On 7/21/06, elizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: I good way to find out about the state of your liver (guesstimated that is ) is by having your iron levels done . The more damage the higher the liver saturation of your blood . But the best way would be for you to have a biopsy . Doesnt Boost have iron in it ? Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim < knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 That is so unusual for a doc to order a biopsy after tx instead of before it .Dietary iron has no effect on treatment , but I do know that if you have high iron levels prior to treatment it can make success less likely . Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim < knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 I am 42 years old so yes I still have my periods, in fact, since I started tx, they have been lasting for like 10 days, ugh, so maybe that is why the iron has not been a problem. I don't get copies of my blood tests actually. In order for me to get a copy I am going to have to go thru the red tape of the VA system which I would rather not. I know I should but I really don't have the energy. I'm sure everyone is going to tell me to do it anyway and maybe I will if I do get some added energy at some point. Till now, my Dr has assured me everything looks okay so I trusted her, maybe I shouldn't? I know it is probably the meds that make me not really care to find out... Sorry, just having one of those " low " mornings I guess. On 7/21/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: ally, make sure you keep an eye on your ferritin levels,, really,, even a little iron added to boost can be a problem,, hopefully it wont,, remember that iron has no way to escape other than bleeding,, so if you still have your periods, that should help to take care of it, but if not, please be careful... hep tends to cause you to store iron and that can effect the long term outcome of tx,, you are winning now,, and I have read that its actually better to be short on iron rather than up on iron while on tx... I dont know how old you are so Im going to assume you are still having your periods so its probably ok! hugs jaxAlly <4thMoon@...> wrote: It has a little iron in it yes but I checked with my Dr about that and she said that because it is iron that is coming from food rather then a supplement it would be okay in the amount I am taking in and it obviously hasn't effected the effectiveness of the treatment so I'll keep drinking it as a supplement. Yes, the biopsy, well, I can't get it till my Dr gives it to me and that won't be till after tx so I am rather stuck there. On 7/21/06, elizabethnv1 < elizabethnv1@...> wrote: I good way to find out about the state of your liver (guesstimated that is ) is by having your iron levels done . The more damage the higher the liver saturation of your blood . But the best way would be for you to have a biopsy . Doesnt Boost have iron in it ? Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim < knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Hi ally Well Im sure that THAT is why you are not having problems with the iron in the boost... THATS good hon,, YOU should be able to get copies of your stuff from the doc when you see her,, I mean, it shouldnt be a big deal to get them,, my husband is in the VA system and when we see the doc, we just ask him for copies and its never been a big deal, the doc just goes down the hall and makes a copy, comes back and gives them to us... Hey sweetie, we ALL have days that are down once in awhile,, dont you worry about that.. Im sure your doc is on top of things,, so dont worry.,,, you DONT have to keep copies of your labs, its not anything anyone HAS to do,, we just suggest it cuz something you have questions and sometimes we can help you figure them out,, thats all Well I hope you are having a good weekend.. its so hot here 105 today and they predict 112 tomorrow,, ack! Im hiding inside! hugs, jaxAlly <4thMoon@...> wrote: I am 42 years old so yes I still have my periods, in fact, since I started tx, they have been lasting for like 10 days, ugh, so maybe that is why the iron has not been a problem. I don't get copies of my blood tests actually. In order for me to get a copy I am going to have to go thru the red tape of the VA system which I would rather not. I know I should but I really don't have the energy. I'm sure everyone is going to tell me to do it anyway and maybe I will if I do get some added energy at some point. Till now, my Dr has assured me everything looks okay so I trusted her, maybe I shouldn't? I know it is probably the meds that make me not really care to find out... Sorry, just having one of those "low" mornings I guess. On 7/21/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: ally, make sure you keep an eye on your ferritin levels,, really,, even a little iron added to boost can be a problem,, hopefully it wont,, remember that iron has no way to escape other than bleeding,, so if you still have your periods, that should help to take care of it, but if not, please be careful... hep tends to cause you to store iron and that can effect the long term outcome of tx,, you are winning now,, and I have read that its actually better to be short on iron rather than up on iron while on tx... I dont know how old you are so Im going to assume you are still having your periods so its probably ok! hugs jaxAlly <4thMoon@...> wrote: It has a little iron in it yes but I checked with my Dr about that and she said that because it is iron that is coming from food rather then a supplement it would be okay in the amount I am taking in and it obviously hasn't effected the effectiveness of the treatment so I'll keep drinking it as a supplement. Yes, the biopsy, well, I can't get it till my Dr gives it to me and that won't be till after tx so I am rather stuck there. On 7/21/06, elizabethnv1 < elizabethnv1@...> wrote: I good way to find out about the state of your liver (guesstimated that is ) is by having your iron levels done . The more damage the higher the liver saturation of your blood . But the best way would be for you to have a biopsy . Doesnt Boost have iron in it ? Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim < knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 22, 2006 Report Share Posted July 22, 2006 Thanks Jackie, Yeah, maybe that is the problem then because I never see my Dr. I have been pre-sceduled for all my blood tests to the end of tx so just go to the lab. My Dr then calls me if there is anything I need to know. If I have any questions whatsoever I just call and leave a message on her machine and she gets back to me. I feel like such a pest calling all the time so now I just don't bother. I haven't seen her since she gave me the kit to begin tx 15 weeks ago. It would have been nice to have a few appointments within the first 12 weeks when I was having so many sides but now that they have calmed down, I guess there's no reason to see her so it's no big deal. That's one reason I was excited to find these groups, it is literally the only support I get. Ally On 7/22/06, Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi ally Well Im sure that THAT is why you are not having problems with the iron in the boost... THATS good hon,, YOU should be able to get copies of your stuff from the doc when you see her,, I mean, it shouldnt be a big deal to get them,, my husband is in the VA system and when we see the doc, we just ask him for copies and its never been a big deal, the doc just goes down the hall and makes a copy, comes back and gives them to us... Hey sweetie, we ALL have days that are down once in awhile,, dont you worry about that.. Im sure your doc is on top of things,, so dont worry.,,, you DONT have to keep copies of your labs, its not anything anyone HAS to do,, we just suggest it cuz something you have questions and sometimes we can help you figure them out,, thats all Well I hope you are having a good weekend.. its so hot here 105 today and they predict 112 tomorrow,, ack! Im hiding inside! hugs, jaxAlly <4thMoon@...> wrote: I am 42 years old so yes I still have my periods, in fact, since I started tx, they have been lasting for like 10 days, ugh, so maybe that is why the iron has not been a problem. I don't get copies of my blood tests actually. In order for me to get a copy I am going to have to go thru the red tape of the VA system which I would rather not. I know I should but I really don't have the energy. I'm sure everyone is going to tell me to do it anyway and maybe I will if I do get some added energy at some point. Till now, my Dr has assured me everything looks okay so I trusted her, maybe I shouldn't? I know it is probably the meds that make me not really care to find out... Sorry, just having one of those " low " mornings I guess. On 7/21/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: ally, make sure you keep an eye on your ferritin levels,, really,, even a little iron added to boost can be a problem,, hopefully it wont,, remember that iron has no way to escape other than bleeding,, so if you still have your periods, that should help to take care of it, but if not, please be careful... hep tends to cause you to store iron and that can effect the long term outcome of tx,, you are winning now,, and I have read that its actually better to be short on iron rather than up on iron while on tx... I dont know how old you are so Im going to assume you are still having your periods so its probably ok! hugs jaxAlly <4thMoon@...> wrote: It has a little iron in it yes but I checked with my Dr about that and she said that because it is iron that is coming from food rather then a supplement it would be okay in the amount I am taking in and it obviously hasn't effected the effectiveness of the treatment so I'll keep drinking it as a supplement. Yes, the biopsy, well, I can't get it till my Dr gives it to me and that won't be till after tx so I am rather stuck there. On 7/21/06, elizabethnv1 < elizabethnv1@...> wrote: I good way to find out about the state of your liver (guesstimated that is ) is by having your iron levels done . The more damage the higher the liver saturation of your blood . But the best way would be for you to have a biopsy . Doesnt Boost have iron in it ? Re: weight loss Really? I heard (and read) that a carb based diet was best for ppl with HCV because protein gets processed on the liver. I've been eating a high carb diet all thru tx. Is this wrong? Should I change? I see a nutritionist who also agrees with the high carb diet so now I am confused... Ally On 7/20/06, Jackie on < redjaxjm@...> wrote: Hi Tim THATS an excellent question,, and ya know what, I dont have the answer to that,, Im NOT sure nor have I ever heard that the virus can disguise itself as a protein.. ALL of the studies show that especially when on tx,, IF you are NOT decompensated, you need a protein BASED diet..in order for tx to work better.and it prevents nausea.. I followed it to a T and it worked for me.. I'll see IF I can find any info on this... Hillbilly Tim < knoxweb1@... > wrote: Jackie,question and please I'm asking this for knowledge not as and argument.but if the virus disguises it self as a protein,would you not want to limit it to keep the virus from replicating?its nothing ive read just something ive thought about. Tim Parsons knoxville,tn 37931 865-588-2465 x107 work www.knoxville1.com How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Jackie Jackie Jackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Di, Hi and welcome to the group. I'm one of the resident personal trainers on the group. The reason you are gaining weight is because you are gaining muscle while burning fat (losing inches). This is the normal response to doing weights and cardio together. I try to tell all my clients to throw away their scale and lets go by their body fat percentage and how their clothes fit. Congratulations on transforming your body. Keep up the good work. Tonya Weight Loss Hi All,I am new to the group and would like to introduce myself. I am a Momof 2 and have recently lost 40lbs using The Firm videos, and reducingmy caloric intake. I have mostly used The Firm with the transfirmer,and weights. I started with no weights and have increased to 10 poundweights. Now I'm finding that I am gaining weight on the scale. Iexercise 6 days a week for about 1 1/2 hours. Despite the weight gainmy clothes still fit and some are a little looser. Has anyone elseexperienced this?Thanks,Di Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2006 Report Share Posted July 23, 2006 Hi Tonya, Thanks so much for the tips & words of encouragement. How do you check body fat percentage? It's hard not to continually check the scale since I've been doing it for so long, especially when I was so focused on trying to lose weight. But another method of checking my progress would be helpful. Thanks, Di > > Di, > > Hi and welcome to the group. I'm one of the resident personal trainers on the group. The reason you are gaining weight is because you are gaining muscle while burning fat (losing inches). This is the normal response to doing weights and cardio together. I try to tell all my clients to throw away their scale and lets go by their body fat percentage and how their clothes fit. Congratulations on transforming your body. Keep up the good work. > > Tonya > Weight Loss > > > Hi All, > I am new to the group and would like to introduce myself. I am a Mom > of 2 and have recently lost 40lbs using The Firm videos, and reducing > my caloric intake. I have mostly used The Firm with the transfirmer, > and weights. I started with no weights and have increased to 10 pound > weights. Now I'm finding that I am gaining weight on the scale. I > exercise 6 days a week for about 1 1/2 hours. Despite the weight gain > my clothes still fit and some are a little looser. Has anyone else > experienced this? > Thanks, > Di > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Di, There are several ways to determine body fat percentage. The easiest and least expensive is a pair of calipers, measuring 3 sites, and looking it up on a chart. There are also handheld analyzers that use electrical current to measure body fat. These are more accurate in that they measure internal body fat, not just the topical that calipers get, and they are less intrusive when working with others. However, they are more expensive. The absolute best way of measuring is hydrostatic weighing, which is typically only available at universities as it is extremely expensive and not easy to do. Personally, for someone who is not wanting to spend a lot of money, or any money, I tell them to take their measurements. Biceps, bust, waist, lower abs (where the bulge is), hips, thigh, calf, and anywhere else you are concerned with. The limbs you measure at the halfway point or the thickest point depending on who is doing the measurement and what certification they have. The torso (bust, hips, lower abs) is typically at the thickest point, but the waist is where you bend when you bend to the side. From these measurements, there is a formula for figuring body fat, but it is extremely complicated. Personally, I don't do it, I just use the measurements to see that I'm moving in the right direction. I'll be glad to email you the formula if you want it though. Tonya Weight Loss>>> Hi All,> I am new to the group and would like to introduce myself. I am a Mom> of 2 and have recently lost 40lbs using The Firm videos, and reducing> my caloric intake. I have mostly used The Firm with the transfirmer,> and weights. I started with no weights and have increased to 10 pound> weights. Now I'm finding that I am gaining weight on the scale. I> exercise 6 days a week for about 1 1/2 hours. Despite the weight gain> my clothes still fit and some are a little looser. Has anyone else> experienced this?> Thanks,> Di> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2006 Report Share Posted July 24, 2006 Speaking of calipers, I bought a digital pair that I really had a hard time messing with. I've decided to just use my tanita scale for now. I get fusterated trying to use those other things. Maybe when i have more time to practice and get it down, I'll go back to those. DarcyOn 7/24/06, Tonya - <mslightning@...> wrote: Di, There are several ways to determine body fat percentage. The easiest and least expensive is a pair of calipers, measuring 3 sites, and looking it up on a chart. There are also handheld analyzers that use electrical current to measure body fat. These are more accurate in that they measure internal body fat, not just the topical that calipers get, and they are less intrusive when working with others. However, they are more expensive. The absolute best way of measuring is hydrostatic weighing, which is typically only available at universities as it is extremely expensive and not easy to do. Personally, for someone who is not wanting to spend a lot of money, or any money, I tell them to take their measurements. Biceps, bust, waist, lower abs (where the bulge is), hips, thigh, calf, and anywhere else you are concerned with. The limbs you measure at the halfway point or the thickest point depending on who is doing the measurement and what certification they have. The torso (bust, hips, lower abs) is typically at the thickest point, but the waist is where you bend when you bend to the side. From these measurements, there is a formula for figuring body fat, but it is extremely complicated. Personally, I don't do it, I just use the measurements to see that I'm moving in the right direction. I'll be glad to email you the formula if you want it though. Tonya Weight Loss>>> Hi All,> I am new to the group and would like to introduce myself. I am a Mom> of 2 and have recently lost 40lbs using The Firm videos, and reducing> my caloric intake. I have mostly used The Firm with the transfirmer,> and weights. I started with no weights and have increased to 10 pound> weights. Now I'm finding that I am gaining weight on the scale. I> exercise 6 days a week for about 1 1/2 hours. Despite the weight gain> my clothes still fit and some are a little looser. Has anyone else> experienced this?> Thanks,> Di> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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