Re: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

[Guest guest]

> Thanks for mentioning this. I had been wondering why there wouldn't be

> more emphasis on disinfecting the mouth as sort of a middle point

> between doing nothing and taking antibiotics. It does seem like a nice

> compromise for those who are not at great risk. I wonder if it would

> actually work?

>

> Sharon

>

I can't see why it wouldn't work. Neem at least seems to be

rather powerful ... if I use it one day, I don't get plaque for

two full days. And it's seemingly harmless ... people take it

as a tea. And you can grow it in many parts of the country (I

have a small tree in my window, but it has to stay indoors

in this climate). But there are other good topical antibiotics

like H202 that could easily be tried in a lab. The bacteria

don't come in your saliva, they live on your teeth and maybe

in your gums. They aren't good critters to have in your

mouth for many reasons.

H202 I don't use partly because I've had bad results

with it. I'm not sure why. Maybe it changes the PH

of the mouth too much ... it is a bleach, so can oxidize

cells too. Any bleach can change chemicals into

another form, even a relatively harmless one like H202.

Also it doesn't stick around, which I think neem

does. Listerine is supposedly very antibiotic too (but

I've heard conflicting reports on that). Still, when I had

jaw surgery, I was supposed to swish with half listerine,

half H202 several times a day, and that seemed to do the

trick, everything healed nicely.

-- Heidi

[Guest guest]

Thank you Thada.

I'm writing to my surgeon, to ask him, as I was given no information about

antibiotics at the hospital. I have read through the statement from

Newcastle on Tyne hospital, aand it makes no mention of preventative

antibiotics, only the need for existing infections to be treated before any

invasive procedures, which would seem obvious. I'e tried reading the

American statement but it's late, I'm tired, and I couldnt make head or tail

of it! (Sorry!)

I'll let people know what the surgeon tells me, but it might be a while

before I get a reply.

Lin

to Lin - Perhaps your dentist is not updated on your condition. In the US,

the American Academy of Orthopedic Surgeons studied the evidence base and

published a statement mentioning joint replacement with their recommendation

for prophylactic antibiotics for patients on their website

<http://bit.ly/fsy9Lx> and the American Dental Association posted it on

their website as well.

I wondered about how to search the NHS because you are in UK, and found a

somewhat different statement titled " Recommendations for antibiotic

prophylaxis for dental procedures in patients with joint replacements " from

Newcastele-on-Tyne Hospital letterhead with National Health Service

imprimateur here: http://bit.ly/fnhSIP.

Best regards,

Thada

>

> I have never, ever, been prescribed any drugs before any fillings or teeth

> cleaning at a dentist. The only drug I've ever been given before a

> procedure

> was something to knock me out so they they could remove one of my wisdom

> teeth. I was given some pain relief following that though. But

> antibiotics?

> Never. And I've never had a problem. You don't get given antibiotics in

> the

> UK unless they are absolutely necessary, as they will become less

> effective

> if used too often. I am really surprised to hear that they are given

> before

> dental procedures as a 'just in case'!

>

> Lin

> UK

>

>

> It has been almost six months since my TKR and I had my first teeth

> cleaning. I was concerned about taking the 2000 milligrams of amoxicillin

> before the procedure. I was fine until I was doing some shopping on the

> way

> home and I started to feel the nausea set in. I have always had a

> sensitive

> stomach.

> What other drugs have some of you used before dental and other procedures?

>

> Beverly O

> Aurora, Oh

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[Guest guest]

For life. I was told by my orthopaedic surgeon, both of them, the shoulder

guy and the hip/knee guy.

I take mine in a 5 day course some people in the big dose, may be you could

do it in 5 days,

that might not upset the bowels so much

-- Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by

my dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right?

I recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out

as water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest

of my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

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[Guest guest]

My Dentist and my OS have said for the rest of my Life. I am not freaked by

this as I don;t have your undeniably horrid reactions. Perhaps they can

prescribe a different drug?

Joan

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From: Diva <ishtar_195416@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 9:58:57 PM

Subject: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by my

dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right? I

recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out as

water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest of

my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

[Guest guest]

Well, I have had three minor outpatient procedures in the last few months.  When

I had the angiogram, I asked the nurse about antibiotics before the procedure

because of my hip, but the nurse told me " we don't do that anymore. "   I

suggested she double check, but I wasn't given anything.

 

Lynn

LTHR Oct 09

RTKR Mar 11

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Einstein

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From: Joan Kell <kell_joan@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

Joint Replacement

Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 7:23 AM

My Dentist and my OS have said for the rest of my Life.  I am not freaked by

this as I don;t have your undeniably horrid reactions.  Perhaps they can

prescribe a different drug?

Joan

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From: Diva <ishtar_195416@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 9:58:57 PM

Subject: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

 

As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by my

dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right?  I

recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out as

water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest of

my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

     

[Guest guest]

No one knows how long it¹s important. Is the easy answer. Some doctors are

more cautious than others. I was told two years. My gastroenterologist

told me she didn¹t want to give me antibiotics before a colonoscopy; my

orthopedist disagrees. So they said, ³We¹ll let you decide.²

They, two high trained medical specialists, are going to let ME, a lawyer,

make a medical decision??? BS. Anyway, I took them on that occasion, in an

excess of caution, having learned that the only reason not to is ³not to

breed superbugs.² I didn¹t feel very public-spirited that day.

F

TKR 1/15/09

on 4/10/11 6:58 PM, Diva at ishtar_195416@... wrote:

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> As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by my

> dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right? I

> recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out as

> water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

> natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

> probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest

> of my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn, I would never have had the angiogram without an antibiotic. Much too

invasive.

Joan

________________________________

From: Lynn <lynnf_99@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 9:22:18 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

Well, I have had three minor outpatient procedures in the last few months. When

I had the angiogram, I asked the nurse about antibiotics before the procedure

because of my hip, but the nurse told me " we don't do that anymore. " I

suggested she double check, but I wasn't given anything.

Lynn

LTHR Oct 09

RTKR Mar 11

I'm no model lady. A model's just an imitation of the real thing.- Mae West

All religions, arts and sciences are branches of the same tree. - Albert

Einstein

Visit my art blog: http://adreamseyeview.blogspot.com/

From: Joan Kell <kell_joan@...>

Subject: Re: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

Joint Replacement

Date: Monday, April 11, 2011, 7:23 AM

My Dentist and my OS have said for the rest of my Life. I am not freaked by

this as I don;t have your undeniably horrid reactions. Perhaps they can

prescribe a different drug?

Joan

________________________________

From: Diva <ishtar_195416@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Sun, April 10, 2011 9:58:57 PM

Subject: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by my

dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right? I

recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out as

water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest of

my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

[Guest guest]

I am with you, . The fact that our fake knees and hips etc. are liable to

infection is well known. I would err on the side of caution. I want to write

" The public be damned " , but I am much to public spirited to say that. J

________________________________

From: Foley <sefoley@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 10:13:01 AM

Subject: Re: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

No one knows how long it¹s important. Is the easy answer. Some doctors are

more cautious than others. I was told two years. My gastroenterologist

told me she didn¹t want to give me antibiotics before a colonoscopy; my

orthopedist disagrees. So they said, ³We¹ll let you decide.²

They, two high trained medical specialists, are going to let ME, a lawyer,

make a medical decision??? BS. Anyway, I took them on that occasion, in an

excess of caution, having learned that the only reason not to is ³not to

breed superbugs.² I didn¹t feel very public-spirited that day.

F

TKR 1/15/09

on 4/10/11 6:58 PM, Diva at ishtar_195416@... wrote:

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>

>

>

>

>

> As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by my

> dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right? I

> recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out as

> water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

> natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

> probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest

> of my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

While I understand the over use of antibiotics is not a good thing I was told to

take just one, heavy dose before anything invasive is done. I take two pills

before dental procedures etc. and only two. To me, this is nothing like taking

aspirin and it is the only time I take them. An infection in a replacement

joint can be a horrible thing to endure.

Pat

Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

I find all this very interesting! I had my TKR done at Cleveland Clinic, and

was told nothing about antibiotics " just in case " . I even asked, because I have

lymphedema and was told that it wasn't necessary unless I get sick. I do have

antibiotics in the cabinet, but they are there because I tend to get frequent

bladder infections.

This philosophy seems wrong to me because of all the antibiotic resistant

diseases coming about now. Also, I see a lot of people who are suddenly allergic

to certain antibiotics due to " overdose " . This happened to me. One day I was

taking penicillin for an infection (had been taking it for about a week) and the

next day I was itchy & swollen!

So I'm sticking with what my doctor told me (or didn't tell me!) and not using

antibiotics like aspirin!

>

>

> As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by

my dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right? I

recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out as

water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest of

my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

>

[Guest guest]

I am a big advocate of Colloidal Silver and in fact make my own.

It is the best antibiotic and you don't build up a tolerance to it and

I've never gotten sick from big doses of it. I also take Probiotics

after big doses just to be sure I get the " good critters " back in my

gut.

I was scheduled for TKR on the 6th of this month but my dentist

refused to clear me for surgery until he pulled 3 teeth. I asked to

keep them and two of them look fine. In fact one looked perfect but

he must have seen something on the x-ray?

I will now reschedule for mid June.

Max Schanfarber

Maxi Marketing

www.virtualstthomas.com

On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:31 AM, Pat Stoeckle wrote:

> ,

>

> While I understand the over use of antibiotics is not a good thing I

> was told to take just one, heavy dose before anything invasive is

> done. I take two pills before dental procedures etc. and only two.

> To me, this is nothing like taking aspirin and it is the only time I

> take them. An infection in a replacement joint can be a horrible

> thing to endure.

>

> Pat

>

> Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

>

> I find all this very interesting! I had my TKR done at Cleveland

> Clinic, and was told nothing about antibiotics " just in case " . I

> even asked, because I have lymphedema and was told that it wasn't

> necessary unless I get sick. I do have antibiotics in the cabinet,

> but they are there because I tend to get frequent bladder infections.

>

> This philosophy seems wrong to me because of all the antibiotic

> resistant diseases coming about now. Also, I see a lot of people who

> are suddenly allergic to certain antibiotics due to " overdose " . This

> happened to me. One day I was taking penicillin for an infection

> (had been taking it for about a week) and the next day I was itchy &

> swollen!

>

> So I'm sticking with what my doctor told me (or didn't tell me!) and

> not using antibiotics like aspirin!

>

>

>

>

> >

> >

> > As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2

> years by my dentist, and the rest of my life by various people.

> Which one is right? I recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before

> dental work. My poop came out as water for 5 days afterwards. I

> corrected this imbalance with some candida natural compound, lots of

> yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific probotic. I am okay

> now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest of my life.

> So what is the real time frame? Devora

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you Bev. Yes, I think you are right. Different doctors probably all have

different opinions on this. And by the way, tomorrow I go for my last of 4

appointments at my dentist for periodontal work. I have been having deep

cleaning done and it has not been any fun. I am so tired of all those needles

to numb me up. Each time I go they get me in the chair and the very first thing

they ask me is did you premedicate? Then they say good...and will do their

work. I am so happy that tomorrow is the last of these cleanings. And here I

thought that after healing up from the bilateral knee replacements I was going

to be pain free and feeling good this Spring. My dentist sure put a damper on

that!

Pat in Pennsylvania

Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

Hi Pat,

My surgery was done at Southpointe Hospital which is also under the

Cleveland Clinic group. I think it depends on what your doctor feels is

write.

My dentist of many years said the American Association of Orthopedic Surgery

came out with a bulletin in 2009. It basically says you need them every time

you get your teeth cleaned or have dental work. Here is the link in case

anyone wants to read it: http://www.aaos.org/about/papers/advistmt/1033.asp.

I have an appointment on Thursday for a six month check up so I will have to

ask about other antibiotics.

Bev Oleksiak

Aurora, Ohio.

[Guest guest]

YIKES !!!!

-- Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by

my

dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right? I

recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out

as

water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest

of

my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

[Guest guest]

I recently had a colonoscopy.  Like , my OS said yes & the enterologist

said no.  I insisted.  He said okay since it had only been 6 months since my

knee replacement.  I was ready to walk out. 

in TX

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>

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> As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by my

> dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right? I

> recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out as

> water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

> natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

> probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest

> of my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I would have walked out also. In fact, I had a colonoscopy about 6

months before my TKR, and during the initial interview, I was asked if I had any

replacements with the idea that if I had, I would get the antibiotics

beforehand. I said not yet, and he said fine. But in five years, remind me!

All the best, Joan

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From: kjc <k_j_cotten@...>

Joint Replacement

Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 8:15:22 PM

Subject: Re: Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

I recently had a colonoscopy. Like , my OS said yes & the enterologist

said no. I insisted. He said okay since it had only been 6 months since my

knee replacement. I was ready to walk out.

in TX

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>

>

> As for antibiotics, I was told one year after TKR by my surgeon, 2 years by my

> dentist, and the rest of my life by various people. Which one is right? I

> recently did the amoxicillin 2000 mg. before dental work. My poop came out as

> water for 5 days afterwards. I corrected this imbalance with some candida

> natural compound, lots of yogurt, and sacchromydes boullardi, a specific

> probotic. I am okay now. I don't look forward to this procedure for the rest

> of my life. So what is the real time frame? Devora

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Freja I am not sure where the information is regarding antibiotics and joint

replacements and infection, but there would be documented evidence,. As its

routine to be administered antibiotics in USA and Australia for life.

I have a great set of teeth no decay rarely need anything doing but I

always take antibiotic before I go and I only go once every 9 months and I

am never sick so its no big deal and I say better safe than sorry its too

darn late once you got an infection you can't go back and change your mind,

and a joint infection is some thing you really don't want to experience.

But its up to the individual what they choose to do and your O/S. I would go

with what they said before I go with what a dentist says.

-- Re: Antibiotics before Dental Work

When I went to get my hip replaced, the hospital was very insistent that my

teeth were in a good state before they would perform the surgery - I have

heard of people being told to go away and come back in a few months when

their teeth were sorted out!

My (UK) dentist says that she generally does not give antibiotics as routine

for minor stuff (cleaning, fillings etc) unless you have mouth that is in a

bad way (bad gum problems, bad hygiene etc).

She is very well informed, and follows NICE guidelines (National Institute

for Clinical Excellence).

She says if she ever has to do anything big ( root canal, tooth capping) she

would give me antibiotics, and if I was nervous of infection she would leave

the decision up to me ( she's so sweet).

Anyway, I'd be inclined to follow her advice.

What I would like to know is, is there any evidence of cases of infection of

prostheses after non-antibiotic dental visits? It would be really good for

us to know, to help us make this imortant decision!

Freja

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[Guest guest]

Karson was given a cure to get the blue out and he refused it. He likes

being in the news. He made his silver using salt to speed up the process,

which creates silver chloride not colloidal silver which is made with distilled

water only. I am on the silver list and there are zero cases of turning

blue when it is made right. I have taken it for at least 10 years without any

problem. It was used before antibiotics by our DRS. so they have a tough

time telling us it isn't any good. Newborn babies got silver drops to kill

gonorrhea germs which could blind them. It is not a cure all as I have used

antibiotics plus silver to fight different infections. Karson is a phony.

Brickey