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I most say when I post information, I hope it hits home and we can bridge

over 50 years of GI bad experiments.... We are on to something big, all I

know it isn't working.... Yes, I get pissed... Someday at the whole world,

because, we have learned nothing, I wish I could wave my hand and make it all

go away.... Today was one.... I also said some hot stuff.... I hope I didn't

anger anybody.... If did, I apologize..... Tuff working on an issues that

date back to forever..... Thank you for sharing..... .... There is light at

the end of the tunnel...... I believe in that...... Mike H. Atomic War Dog

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In a message dated 3/13/01 12:45:33 PM Mountain Standard Time, jacobson@... writes:

I sent a link that I thought would get right into the report. Lilla wrote that she hadn't been able to access it. When I followed the link, it took me to the logon page instead of the report!

That is what happened to me. However, I simply clicked on Fibromyalgia and the report came up just fine and I printed it out for future reference. Give that a try.

Pam in ID

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In a message dated 3/16/01 8:54:50 PM Mountain Standard Time, jacobson@... writes:

Hi Pam,

You might want to check on the report you printed and make sure Dr. Strand's recommendations are included. He has a part of his website that is available to everyone free of charge and then he has a members only status for his actual recommendations. I think the entire report would be 7 pages long.

Have a great weekend!

Kathleen

I did and you are right, it wasn't complete. If possible, could you send me the reports. I will pay for postage, or if you would rather send me an Email file, save it in Word and send it that way please. FMS and Osteoarthritis would really help me now. Thanks so much for the help.

Pam

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neo-reality@... writes: I just felt that a lot of people here weren't open to anything beyond BFL, as if BLF had the last word on fitness.

Andy, even if this were the case, this is OK you know. No need to feel obliged to ride in and and rescue us! I know you are well-intentioned though and that you have done a lot of homework. Good luck in your fitness quest.

All the best, .

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In a message dated 5/18/01 10:39:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kamama@...

writes:

> For many our hope for a better tomorrow depends on the

> respect we bestow on each other. Don't ever tamper with a person's hope, for

> it may be the very last thing she/he has left in life.

>

I think you're missing the whole point. It is respectful when you follow

just a few rules of etiquette. Your CFS community? It's mine too and many

others that feel as I do. I was making my opinion known that I don't love

coming home and seeing 2-3 dozen emails. Many others have had to leave this

community and miss out on the benefit of cutting edge technology b/c it's too

overwhelming to sift through too many emails. If you don't like my opinion,

tough--deal with it. I have never tried to shatter the hope of anyone in

here so I don't know what you're talking about. I actually have hope that

I'm going to get over this CFS and hope everyone else has the same focus.

-

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" bedridden " -- " confined to stay at home " -- What is the difference to you?

What really is your point, besides the whining that you won't or can't use

the

delete button. It is to bad that is so difficult for you.

No we do not get a " big kick out of emailing " Apparently you do not seem to

realize that we would rather be working or simply doing. You have indeed

insulted many of us.

Factually it has been you and only you that has started this cascade of

useless, insulting postings. You have put your foot in your mouth enough, so

now enough is enough! Now YOU get back to the purpose of this group.

No I am not back channeling for the simple reason that you need to be told

in public that you are terribly insensitive to step on the people in our own

FM/ME/CFID community. For many our hope for a better tomorrow depends on the

respect we bestow on each other. Don't ever tamper with a person's hope, for

it may be the very last thing she/he has left in life.

Regards,

AK

Apology

> " I know others out there disagree b/c maybe they are

>bedridden with CFS and have nothing more to do than read email all day... "

>

>Someone backchanneled me saying it was insulting to say that above quote.

I

>apologize for saying that and didn't mean it in that way. I should not

have

>used the term " bedridden " and should have instead said " confined to staying

>at home " . So my point in that email was that those who may not be

fortunate

>enough to be able to work may get a big kick out of emailing back and forth

>huge emails and reading emails all day long and not get tired from doing so

>(b/c they don't have to expend the energy of trying to go out and work).

>However, if the ones who are " confined to staying at home " are suffering

so

>much that they cannot even take a shower or do simple activities like that

>then they are probably like me and hate long emails as much as I do! So

let

>me make this addendum: for the sake of those who are bedridden and not able

>to read emails w/o getting exausted and for those who are exausted b/c they

>try to work full time, please keep emails efficient, concise, and to the

>point and refrain from posting comments to the group that would be more

>approprately backchanneled such as (hypothetical example) " , I hope

you

>do better in life and are able to eventually return to the gym and work out

>and improve your NK functioning. Hang in there . God will help you. "

>As you can see, a comment like that is nice and sweet and may make me feel

>good but the rest of the group shouldn't have to read it and it should be

>backchanneled instead.

>-

>

>

>

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Dear list,

When I read my post after-the-fact I wondered if I sounded harsher than

I felt when I wrote it. I checked my biorythms, and, while my

intellectual rythm is high, my emotional & physical rythms are low. What

this means is, I tried to say something right, but I may have been

coming from the wrong place.

If it seemed that way to you, please understand I meant what I said in a

sense of " let us, " not " I want. "

jim :)

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No biggie; lots of folks are taken in by this stuff.

D Freeman Mailing address: 2480 Liberty Street NE Suite 180Salem, Oregon 97303phone 503 763-3528fax 503 763-3530pager 888 501-7328

apology

Listmates,

My sincerest apology for sending out the Nostradamus quote. I was unaware that it had been doctored.

Particularly in a time when our country is so grief stricken to pass on such nonsense is most inappropriate.

Regretfully,

Shephard, D.C.

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It's okay Janice. Don't be sorry. We're all having

a bad week.

Your right we can't disagree on how parents raise

their children. Let's not make judgement of how

adults raise their children. There's many ways on

doing things and we can't be judgemental.

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their lives with a child with special needs.

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Ciff;;;;;;; there is no need for you to apologise. You did nothing wrong.

It's great that you expressed yourself as you did. I'm sure most everyone

really appreciated it. And believe me we totally understand. I know I do.

I'm looking foward to the transition as well. I know beyond a shadow of a

doubt that it's a far far better place. I just have a problem with the

priliminaries. I just don't want it hurt. I've experienced way to much pain

already.

Keep the faith, and thanks for sharing. Klaus

In a message dated 11/11/01 2:16:33 PM, spinner@... writes:

>Hi,

>

>Sorry to have precipitated the wrong discussion. I am not looking forward

>to getting on the next bus into eternity.

>

>love

>

>Cliff

>

>I accept private emails.

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Cliff, Personally, I too have views very similar to yours on

" Eternity " and our spirit's survival beyond this physical existance. In

fact, I would have serious doubts about any " doctor " who does not!

By the way, I read recently that among several thousand

scholars with high I.Q.'s (above 160) that were questioned in the US in

recent years that well over 90 percent are convinced of the existence of God

(supreme all-powerful being), and thus of Biblical teachings of our ETERNAL

spirits. I wonder what kind of " religion " this doctor practices?

May God richly bless you, my friend, and be with you in all

your endeavors, now and always.

Cody, NC

apology

> Hi,

>

> Sorry to have precipitated the wrong discussion. I am not looking forward

> to getting on the next bus into eternity.

>

> love

>

> Cliff

>

> I accept private emails.

>

>

> Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

>

>

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GOD is inside and within us. MAN CREATED GOD IN HIS OWN IMAGE. Who said these words,and what kind of GOD exactly have different men created or heard from for themselves...? let me know, including, whatever gets you through the night!!!

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In einer eMail vom 15.11.2001 00:54:57 (MEZ) Mitteleuropäische Zeit schreibt Carolean06@...:

GOD is inside and within us. MAN CREATED GOD IN HIS OWN IMAGE. Who said these words,and what kind of GOD exactly have different men created or heard from for themselves...? let me know, including, whatever gets you through the night!!!

GOD is inside and within us..... which is true. HE is the everlasting life in the heart of our soul, while the soul is the life of our physical body.

But mind you.... GOD does speak to each and any of us in our heart, but who does listen to HIM?

In talking to HIM, everyone gets answers, but only those, that love Him.

But HOW does one love GOD?

Well, He tells us, by obeying His commandments.... and believe me, it is as easy as He says.

MAN CREATED GOD IN HIS OWN IMAGE. Who said this? GOD did not say this ! He tought me different! We once were created by HIM in HIS Own IMAGE.... but arrogance made us departing from the eternal Love, which we were part of as His creatures....

The GODS that man created??? Look around. Any and each of the people that say: Here is the truth, there is the right cure for deseases....they are the manyfold Gods on earth and don`t you dare to mention Jesus Christ under their eyes...your best friend will start to hate you and tell you, that you are insane to believe in the redeeming, which GOD did for us, while GOD was in flesh in Jesus Christ.

There is only ONE, that gets us through the night, which is the spiritual night of most of the souls in bodies on earth....without HIM anyone will get lost in the coming events, that are going to change the world completely.

One should be aware, that whatever is written in the Holy Scriptures will get fullfilled..... and we are living presently in the last days of this present world. The future of the OT and NT became presence....

We all will see a steady increase of deseases like cancer, AIDS, CJV, ...just name it..... in addition more and more catastrophies on a global scale, inflations, starvation, until the end comes...... and the end is very very close.

All the GODS, Man did make ...did . to pray to them for help... will collapse over night.

The poor in their hatred will get up against the wealthy in the world.... and those that do not share with the poor, will end up loosing everything including the life of their soul.....

It is still little time to turn around and to listen to the eternal voice inside youself... and this voice is the voice of the only HEALER... of the ONLY that is able to heal first the soul of a human being... and once the soul has recuperated by the only help, by Jesus Christ, Who wants to be ask into one`s life, little by little even the material body of a human being always gets it salvation in the order of GOD.

No human being, no medicine can give health to a human being..... but only the Highest which is God our eternal Father by and through those, that are in steady dialog with HIM at any time......

Love

Ingo

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good letter bill,,

we have the same philosophies concerning life..... youi will never

offend me,,,i am unoffendable....... and like you sometimes i

have difficulty in expressing feelings of comfort or sympathy...

we have a lot of different people in our somewhat private and exclusive

group.... each of us has something we can add to the goodness of

each others lives....

bob in pa

09:38 AM 9/3/2002 -0700, you wrote:

All:

This will be a recurring theme, but it is one

that I feel necessary to express periodically.

Although I fancy myself a wordsmith, I have

always felt that those of us that can turn a phrase run the risk of being

too glib during serious times, insensitive when people need empathy or

seen as artificially sympathetic because the words come so easily.

Add to that my natural discomfort in expressing words of comfort--it

matters not how they are received, it is my own discomfort--and a

reluctance to involve myself in other people's personal lives. So

if I am noticeably absent in the threads that deal with members'

health and family problems, please do not think that it is because I do

not care.

Likewise my humor may often be a little over

the edge and be offensive to some of our more conservative members.

I never intend to offend. It just seems to happen, and then I

realize that I should have showed a little more discretion in what I

said, to whom i said it, or just not said anything at all. I have

never been accused of having wisdom, taste or common sense. All I

can do is ask for understanding before the fact and forgiveness

afterwards.

But it is my unequivocal belief that the five

most effective tools in dealing with the adversities of life are family,

religion, knowledge, intellect and humor. By nature I stay out of

other people's family lives, and religion is a very private matter that I

never ever get into on a personal level.

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Bob,

Well put.....everyone should share what they feel is within their own comfort

zones.

in Vermont

Quoting RJS <bobbyj85@...>:

> good letter bill,,

>

> we have the same philosophies concerning life..... youi will never

> offend

> me,,,i am unoffendable....... and like you sometimes i have difficulty

> in

> expressing feelings of comfort or sympathy...

>

> we have a lot of different people in our somewhat private and exclusive

>

> group.... each of us has something we can add to the goodness of each

> others lives....

>

> bob in pa

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 09:38 AM 9/3/2002 -0700, you wrote:

> >All:

> >

> >This will be a recurring theme, but it is one that I feel necessary to

>

> >express periodically.

> >

> >Although I fancy myself a wordsmith, I have always felt that those of

> us

> >that can turn a phrase run the risk of being too glib during serious

> >times, insensitive when people need empathy or seen as artificially

> >sympathetic because the words come so easily. Add to that my natural

> >discomfort in expressing words of comfort--it matters not how they are

>

> >received, it is my own discomfort--and a reluctance to involve myself

> in

> >other people's personal lives. So if I am noticeably absent in the

> >threads that deal with members' health and family problems,

> please

> >do not think that it is because I do not care.

> >

> >Likewise my humor may often be a little over the edge and be offensive

> to

> >some of our more conservative members. I never intend to offend. It

> just

> >seems to happen, and then I realize that I should have showed a little

>

> >more discretion in what I said, to whom i said it, or just not said

> >anything at all. I have never been accused of having wisdom, taste or

>

> >common sense. All I can do is ask for understanding before the fact

> and

> >forgiveness afterwards.

> >

> >But it is my unequivocal belief that the five most effective tools in

> >dealing with the adversities of life are family, religion, knowledge,

> >intellect and humor. By nature I stay out of other people's family

> lives,

> >and religion is a very private matter that I never ever get into on a

> >personal level.

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Pete;

I've been looking at these lists for a little better than a

year and probably don't have to say a lot about what's happened on

the other three (SNR, Biofeedback, BrM). It spread from SNR to

Biofeedback, then to BrM. There are still some occasionally worth

while exchanges, but it's hardly worth all the dredging you have to

do to get to them. Anyway, thanks for supplying a site with a

firewall against all that.

SDC

> I know a number of you have sent me e-mails with questions or case

info, and

> I've been very slow in responding. The combination of trying to

finalize

> the long-promised revision of the Issues Checklist and add some

reports to

> the Assessment--and update it to work with the Mini-Q and QDS

systems--have

> kept me in the shadows pretty much since I got back. I still have

about 30

> e-mails in my inbox to be answered, and I promise I will get to

them in the

> coming week, so don't lost hope or think I've disappeared.

>

> One of the things that has been very positive during this enforced

absence

> is that the list has really picked up some excellent voices from a

variety

> of sources. I never wanted it to be a place where people sent

questions and

> I answered. Now there are many answerers, and that helps me to keep

> learning as well!

>

> I'm looking forward to uploading the new files, which will be

shorter

> (Issues Checklist) and easier to make sense of (Assess) and--

hopefully--will

> require less fooling around with macros! I appreciate your

patience.

>

> Pete

>

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Pete:

I just wanted to say thanks again for the tremendous amount of

teaching/consulting you do on this list. You certainly deserve to

get tied up with stuff that has to get done.

Thanks again,

Dave

> I know a number of you have sent me e-mails with questions or case

info, and

> I've been very slow in responding. The combination of trying to

finalize

> the long-promised revision of the Issues Checklist and add some

reports to

> the Assessment--and update it to work with the Mini-Q and QDS

systems--have

> kept me in the shadows pretty much since I got back. I still have

about 30

> e-mails in my inbox to be answered, and I promise I will get to

them in the

> coming week, so don't lost hope or think I've disappeared.

>

> One of the things that has been very positive during this enforced

absence

> is that the list has really picked up some excellent voices from a

variety

> of sources. I never wanted it to be a place where people sent

questions and

> I answered. Now there are many answerers, and that helps me to

keep

> learning as well!

>

> I'm looking forward to uploading the new files, which will be

shorter

> (Issues Checklist) and easier to make sense of (Assess) and--

hopefully--will

> require less fooling around with macros! I appreciate your

patience.

>

> Pete

>

> ---

> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.

> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

> Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

>

>

>

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Ditto for me!!

Thanks Pete

Mike Ferrara

> > I know a number of you have sent me e-mails with questions or

case

> info, and

> > I've been very slow in responding. The combination of trying to

> finalize

> > the long-promised revision of the Issues Checklist and add some

> reports to

> > the Assessment--and update it to work with the Mini-Q and QDS

> systems--have

> > kept me in the shadows pretty much since I got back. I still

have

> about 30

> > e-mails in my inbox to be answered, and I promise I will get to

> them in the

> > coming week, so don't lost hope or think I've disappeared.

> >

> > One of the things that has been very positive during this

enforced

> absence

> > is that the list has really picked up some excellent voices from

a

> variety

> > of sources. I never wanted it to be a place where people sent

> questions and

> > I answered. Now there are many answerers, and that helps me to

> keep

> > learning as well!

> >

> > I'm looking forward to uploading the new files, which will be

> shorter

> > (Issues Checklist) and easier to make sense of (Assess) and--

> hopefully--will

> > require less fooling around with macros! I appreciate your

> patience.

> >

> > Pete

> >

> > ---

> > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.

> > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).

> > Version: 6.0.427 / Virus Database: 240 - Release Date: 12/6/02

> >

> >

> >

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I didn't see any of what you are talking about. But everyone makes

mistakes, so I'm sure you will be forgiven. Good luck on the job.

Bridgette

In , " Dani " <Catnip-33@i...>

wrote:

> I didn't mean to start a religion battle yesterday. I am very sorry

> if I hurt anyones feelings. That was not my intent. I hope everyone

> can forgive me.

>

> I noticed that all the messages about this have been deleted. I was

> going to ask if someone would delete them for me as I wanted get

rid

> of them & forget then ever happened. So to who ever deleted them -

> Thank you!

>

> I am going to take the job. I will learn what ever they have to

teach

> me. Then if I feel it is ok to practice it then I will. If I feel

it

> is not ok to practice then I wont. If I am not comfortable at this

> place I will leave. Maybe I have something I can teach them. Maybe

> this will help my business, maybe not. I wont know if I don't try.

As

> of now I have my business in my house & lucky if work 5 hours a

week.

> I have to take a chance. Maybe this is just a stepping stone to a

> better job.

>

> To those of you that had questions about my personal & religous

> beliefs-I base my personal beliefs on my religous beliefs & I base

my

> religous beliefs on the Bible. If you have any other questions on

> this subject please e-mail me directly.

>

> Again I am sorry and hope you all can forgive me.

>

> Dani W.

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Hey Dani,

I didn't think that any of what you said was a big deal. I'm glad

you took the job, though. I'm sure it'll prove to be an exciting

opportunity, and you don't have to stay if you don't like it.

Devyn

> I didn't mean to start a religion battle yesterday. I am very sorry

> if I hurt anyones feelings. That was not my intent. I hope everyone

> can forgive me.

>

> I noticed that all the messages about this have been deleted. I was

> going to ask if someone would delete them for me as I wanted get

rid

> of them & forget then ever happened. So to who ever deleted them -

> Thank you!

>

> I am going to take the job. I will learn what ever they have to

teach

> me. Then if I feel it is ok to practice it then I will. If I feel

it

> is not ok to practice then I wont. If I am not comfortable at this

> place I will leave. Maybe I have something I can teach them. Maybe

> this will help my business, maybe not. I wont know if I don't try.

As

> of now I have my business in my house & lucky if work 5 hours a

week.

> I have to take a chance. Maybe this is just a stepping stone to a

> better job.

>

> To those of you that had questions about my personal & religous

> beliefs-I base my personal beliefs on my religous beliefs & I base

my

> religous beliefs on the Bible. If you have any other questions on

> this subject please e-mail me directly.

>

> Again I am sorry and hope you all can forgive me.

>

> Dani W.

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I too would like to apologize. The reply button is a dangerous button.

Sincerely

Styffe

apology

I want to apologize to Pete and the folks here on his list...I did not mean for the ongoing conversation between and I about the European projects to be displayed here - as usual I just hit the 'reply' and it ended up here.

Sorry,

Marty

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Dear Jill and Arthur,

I apologize if I misread the email address.

Sometimes I don't remeber the nicknames people use, and

this may have been one of those times.

OOOPS!

Best of health!

Dr. Saul Pressman

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

----Original Message Follows----

From: " jill1313 " <jenbooks13@...>

Reply-oxyplus

oxyplus

Subject: Re: My controversy with Ozone

Date: Sun, 09 Nov 2003 21:19:16 -0000

I thought arthur had a different email addy, but if that was arthur,

I don't think he looks much older than his stated age. Plus he lives

in NYC where we rarely get enough exercise or sunshine and its really

polluted. I'm not sure very many New Yorkers look ruddy and healthy

anyway.

> Dear Arthur,

>

> I would say that the 200 -300 liver flushes you have done have more

to do

> with

> facial aging than the ozone you did. Why do we not see this aging

in the

> people

> that we are dealing with? On the contrary, there are more youthful

looking.

>

> You were running an experiment, as I told you at the time you

embarked on

> this

> course of massive liver flushing. I think you may now have your

answer.

>

> Best of health!

> Dr. Saul Pressman

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

-----------

>

> ----Original Message Follows----

> From: alltogethernow@w...

> Reply-oxyplus

> oxyplus

> Subject: Re: Re: My controversy with Ozone/Saul

> Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2003 05:09:39 -0500 (EST)

>

> Mike, I think you have a correct take on the situation.

> Ozone is useful in correct amounts.( I have had success using it

as an

> insufflation.)

> However, there can be too much of a good thing.

> I was injecting 50 cc per day for 200+ days, and had harmful

results.

> Recently, I have had my drivers license renewed, and the difference

in

> my face is obvious. I looked like I've aged 10-15 years. My diet and

> other habits have not changed. IV Ozone is the only major

difference.

> My feeling is that you must flood the body with anti-oxidants,

and use

> the ozone as a stimulant, not a cure.

> This not to say that IV ozone should not be done; I would not

count on

> it to fix your problem; but a small amount will stimulate your own

> defenses.

>

>

>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies,

and other

> alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

> This list is the 1st Amendment in action. The things you will find

here are

> for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

> information we believe in. If you act on ideas found here, you do

so at your

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In a message dated 5/17/2004 12:13:07 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

b4alltoday@... writes:

> Joy I won't say " don't have a cow " :)

Well, don't say " Get your goat. " or " you're a chicken " or you'll offend this

goat milking, egg gathering redneck! Shall I go on???????? LOL

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