Apology

[Guest guest]

,

Please don't worry about it! This has happened to several people I know and it's terrible how these sites try and trick one into allowing them to access their address book. I'm with you in the area of not having time to get into the social websites even though my sisters, cousins, and nieces are all on facebook, I just can't keep up with it!

Take care,

Jeanne

Apology

If you got an email saying I was adding you as my friend at some kind of people-search website, please just ignore and delete. I am so sorry -- someone added me (I think inadvertently) and while trying to figure this out at the site, I somehow got suckered into "adding" my whole mailing list -- totally by accident, I assure you.With all due respect to people who enjoy all the people-sites (e.g., Facebook and Twitter), I just have not found a spare minute to look into this myself. How ironic that I ended up getting suckered into some kind of "sociable site" anyway -- their pitch was very clever, insidious, and in my estimation, deceitful; at some point, I hit "Next" and all h-- broke loose, flooding my mailbox with autoreplies from friends, strangers, and commercial vendors! Now I see from the posts at the Feisty site that I also apparently invited all 670-plus Feisty members. Sorry . . . Your embarrassed moderator,

[Guest guest]

You are so kind, Jeanne.

Come to think of it, no wonder I have been receiving so many notices lately that

so many people want to be my friend at some site or other. Some may be sincere,

but I bet most have been conned, so to speak.

I feel like less of a dork since you posted. Thanks again for your very

comforting words.

Best,

, who wants to be your friend at the Feisty site -- you need not

respond in any way, since you already joined via your own independent choice 2

months ago! And we are glad indeed to have you as a member.

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> Please don't worry about it! This has happened to several people I know and

it's terrible how these sites try and trick one into allowing them to access

their address book. I'm with you in the area of not having time to get into the

social websites even though my sisters, cousins, and nieces are all on facebook,

I just can't keep up with it!

>

> Take care,

> Jeanne

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> Apology

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> If you got an email saying I was adding you as my friend at some kind of

people-search website, please just ignore and delete. I am so sorry -- someone

added me (I think inadvertently) and while trying to figure this out at the

site, I somehow got suckered into " adding " my whole mailing list -- totally by

accident, I assure you.

>

> With all due respect to people who enjoy all the people-sites (e.g.,

Facebook and Twitter), I just have not found a spare minute to look into this

myself. How ironic that I ended up getting suckered into some kind of " sociable

site " anyway -- their pitch was very clever, insidious, and in my estimation,

deceitful; at some point, I hit " Next " and all h-- broke loose, flooding my

mailbox with autoreplies from friends, strangers, and commercial vendors! Now I

see from the posts at the Feisty site that I also apparently invited all

670-plus Feisty members. Sorry . . .

>

> Your embarrassed moderator,

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amen Guin!!! Glad to hear you're back from China safe and sound!

In a message dated 7/29/2009 3:15:53 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, guin@... writes:

Geez... I have just returned from China and it sure took along time to wade through all this stuff.I am glad that you have all kissed and made up and now we can move forward with supporting each other.I have trimmed my post and posted to the top.If I sound curt - it is because I have been up for more than 24 hours.But lets think about what is important in life.~guinYardbird wrote:

Bill,

thanks very much for your kindliness, but my explanation which you found so informative should not strengthen your impression that this was a blindness issue. In my book, it simply isn't. it is so, so common for mailing lists to involve new messages being posted first before the quoting of previous messages that this is all I wanted to draw attention to. The details were just to induce a little guilt in people who insist on thinking it's no big deal. To them alone I was saying Hey, imagine if you were waiting for a delivery from UPS and....

Okay? So we're not having a Stevie Wonder issue here. It's just very normal protocol to do what I suggested. In my case, it's extra trouble when someone does the reverse. That's true. But believe me, if you had any idea how complex these screen reader programs are and how much skill goes into using them as adeptly as I do, you'd be blown away and amazed that you haven't heard any other such complaints from me in which I draw attention to the additional inconvenience of doing this blind.

for instance, and please understand everyone that I say this with a big, affectionate, patient smile, getting through posts where the typing is severely nonstandard so that hardly any word looks like what it was meant to look like, my program attempts to make some phonetic sense out of what it sees and the result is like hearing a message from mars, totally crazy. I have to stop the automatic reading, go back and trace each mysterious word character by character, then let jaws read the phrase again until I can imagine what you'd probably guess was there if you could see it, and then I go on to the next phrase. it takes ages. In other words bill, you're definitely right that I've got a hard time with some of this stuff, but in all sincerity and not wishing to be pitying and dramatic, if I compare the obvious practical problems I suffer sugger from impaired vision (that's not a "politically correct" way to say "blind;" I'm partially sighted, not totally in the dark) to the challenges another person here has to overcome every single day and keeps on going, my problems are made humble and negligible by comparison. so whatever this latest business is to everyone else, it's also a teachable moment for me, too, because at the tsame time it reminds me to be assertive enough to explain my needs, it also reminds me that I have a lot to be grateful for.

it's all good, as people like to say these days. All good.

That said, Bill, you're a good man. Please let no one on this list start yelling at me that I've been rude to you, now. I haven't. I said I appreciate your considerateness, yes?

By the way, a lister let me know in private that I'd left a typographical error stand that looked pretty silly in my post. I didn't mean to type "hapeesh." That's silly. I meant either kapeesh or capeesh, however someone prefers to spell it phonetically as a transliteration of the Italian meaning "you understand?" The first part having to do with the head and the second indicating the 2nd person familiar.

but as I told this discreet lister, writing, rereading, revising and spell checking so long a piece of writing as that one, using ears and memory and not your eyes, is a lot of time and effort, so much that you'd never even imagine how much. But let me not insult Scorcese or the cast of the late show The Sopranos or anyone's grandma in Brooklyn or Cleveland. That letter h was just a typo I missed correcting.

aned as mbeen All this peace and love busnies,mucy power say, jap[predaiated

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[Guest guest]

Bill,

thanks very much for your kindliness, but my explanation which you found so informative should not strengthen your impression that this was a blindness issue. In my book, it simply isn't. it is so, so common for mailing lists to involve new messages being posted first before the quoting of previous messages that this is all I wanted to draw attention to. The details were just to induce a little guilt in people who insist on thinking it's no big deal. To them alone I was saying Hey, imagine if you were waiting for a delivery from UPS and....

Okay? So we're not having a Stevie Wonder issue here. It's just very normal protocol to do what I suggested. In my case, it's extra trouble when someone does the reverse. That's true. But believe me, if you had any idea how complex these screen reader programs are and how much skill goes into using them as adeptly as I do, you'd be blown away and amazed that you haven't heard any other such complaints from me in which I draw attention to the additional inconvenience of doing this blind.

for instance, and please understand everyone that I say this with a big, affectionate, patient smile, getting through posts where the typing is severely nonstandard so that hardly any word looks like what it was meant to look like, my program attempts to make some phonetic sense out of what it sees and the result is like hearing a message from mars, totally crazy. I have to stop the automatic reading, go back and trace each mysterious word character by character, then let jaws read the phrase again until I can imagine what you'd probably guess was there if you could see it, and then I go on to the next phrase. it takes ages. In other words bill, you're definitely right that I've got a hard time with some of this stuff, but in all sincerity and not wishing to be pitying and dramatic, if I compare the obvious practical problems I suffer sugger from impaired vision (that's not a "politically correct" way to say "blind;" I'm partially sighted, not totally in the dark) to the challenges another person here has to overcome every single day and keeps on going, my problems are made humble and negligible by comparison. so whatever this latest business is to everyone else, it's also a teachable moment for me, too, because at the tsame time it reminds me to be assertive enough to explain my needs, it also reminds me that I have a lot to be grateful for.

it's all good, as people like to say these days. All good.

That said, Bill, you're a good man. Please let no one on this list start yelling at me that I've been rude to you, now. I haven't. I said I appreciate your considerateness, yes?

By the way, a lister let me know in private that I'd left a typographical error stand that looked pretty silly in my post. I didn't mean to type "hapeesh." That's silly. I meant either kapeesh or capeesh, however someone prefers to spell it phonetically as a transliteration of the Italian meaning "you understand?" The first part having to do with the head and the second indicating the 2nd person familiar.

but as I told this discreet lister, writing, rereading, revising and spell checking so long a piece of writing as that one, using ears and memory and not your eyes, is a lot of time and effort, so much that you'd never even imagine how much. But let me not insult Scorcese or the cast of the late show The Sopranos or anyone's grandma in Brooklyn or Cleveland. That letter h was just a typo I missed correcting.

aned as mbeen All this peace and love busnies,mucy power say, jap[predaiated

Apology

To all my Zapper friends:

Accustomed as I am to apologizing--my wife says I'm the sorriest husband she's ever heard of--I offer my apologies for any offense that might have been taken at my posting on nettiquette. It was not my intention to evoke any sort of an emotiopnal or personal response beyond what I thought was a broad interpretation of how we should see our internet and its basic protocols. I was wrong.

My most sincere apology goes to . I was aware of his blindness but not of the specific limitations of his computer program. My fault for not asking him more questions about it. Sorry, .

There is an issue here that can be easily resolved without having people like me make the same mistake(s) that I did. If there are requirements that any of the Zappers have regarding the protocols of our group transmissions, let us all know what they are and perhaps an explanation of them so we can understand what is going on at the receiving end and adjust our actions on tghe sending end. has done that, and now I will try to make my posts easier for him to read or hear. (I will not, however, stop torturing people with my bad jokes and worse puns.)

There is also the matter of including stuff that need not/should not be included in forwarded messages. i was not chastizing anyone for that. I daresay that we all have done that by oversight at one time or another, and public mention should only come after repeated instances and only after private communication.

Like I have been on group forums for over a decade, although not the fifteen years that he has. Of all my forums, the is by far the most courteous and supportive of its members. It is also exptremely well dedicated to its original intent--Thank you again, Duff--and rarely strays into unrelated territory. The politics of health care is a sticky situation for those of us who post. Where does the health care issue end and tyhe politics become the active issue? I think that's pretty much up to the sender to make a wise decision on what to post and what not to post. We all have delete keys, so harm can be minimized to a few unwanted words that we read before banishing the offensive piece to cyberspace Hell. We are adults and can handle that. if someone continues to use our forum as a political podium, tell them off forum, and if that doesn't work, tell them on-forum. I'm sure there will be others to support the keep the about Zappers and Zapping as it should be.

The is a wonderful resource for all of us. Some might call it a support group, but I see as a resource, a much larger and more encompassing entity. We have, over the years provided the hand-holding that is periodically needed, but much more importantly we have guided each other through a medical forest where paths have been obscured and there were no signposts to give us a choice of routes.

An old friend from the 1950's when i lived in NYC has a very serious medical condition and belongs to several e-groups where he mostly seeks out information on how others cope. He told me that he quit one group because all postings had to go through a single person who decided if the posting was appropriate or not for the group. Since his only interest is in the medical issues and not the psychological or emotional ones, he felt that he need not go through that process and quit. Our is nothing like that, and it is IMO why we are so successful in serving our members. (Sometimes it takes me a little longer to get it right, but I'm trying. Very trying, it seems.)

From California where they are now making ICD's out wood because it is biodegradeable. They place them in thd lumber region of your back and now when they check your leads, they also check for termites. Me? I don't want one. the very thought of calling it a "tree zap" is enough to make me give up pancakes forever.

Bill

[Guest guest]

Geez... I have just returned from China and it sure took along time to

wade through all this stuff.

I am glad that you have all kissed and made up and now we can move

forward with supporting each other.

I have trimmed my post and posted to the top.

If I sound curt - it is because I have been up for more than 24 hours.

But lets think about what is important in life.

~guin

Yardbird wrote:

Bill,

thanks very much for your kindliness, but my

explanation which you found so informative should not strengthen your

impression that this was a blindness issue. In my book, it simply

isn't. it is so, so common for mailing lists to involve new messages

being posted first before the quoting of previous messages that this is

all I wanted to draw attention to. The details were just to induce a

little guilt in people who insist on thinking it's no big deal. To them

alone I was saying Hey, imagine if you were waiting for a delivery from

UPS and....

Okay? So we're not having a Stevie Wonder

issue here. It's just very normal protocol to do what I suggested. In

my case, it's extra trouble when someone does the reverse. That's true.

But believe me, if you had any idea how complex these screen reader

programs are and how much skill goes into using them as adeptly as I

do, you'd be blown away and amazed that you haven't heard any other

such complaints from me in which I draw attention to the additional

inconvenience of doing this blind.

for instance, and please understand everyone

that I say this with a big, affectionate, patient smile, getting

through posts where the typing is severely nonstandard so that hardly

any word looks like what it was meant to look like, my program attempts

to make some phonetic sense out of what it sees and the result is like

hearing a message from mars, totally crazy. I have to stop the

automatic reading, go back and trace each mysterious word character by

character, then let jaws read the phrase again until I can imagine what

you'd probably guess was there if you could see it, and then I go on to

the next phrase. it takes ages. In other words bill, you're definitely

right that I've got a hard time with some of this stuff, but in all

sincerity and not wishing to be pitying and dramatic, if I compare the

obvious practical problems I suffer sugger from impaired vision (that's

not a "politically correct" way to say "blind;" I'm partially sighted,

not totally in the dark) to the challenges another person here has to

overcome every single day and keeps on going, my problems are made

humble and negligible by comparison. so whatever this latest business

is to everyone else, it's also a teachable moment for me, too, because

at the tsame time it reminds me to be assertive enough to explain my

needs, it also reminds me that I have a lot to be grateful for.

it's all good, as people like to say these

days. All good.

That said, Bill, you're a good man. Please

let no one on this list start yelling at me that I've been rude to you,

now. I haven't. I said I appreciate your considerateness, yes?

By the way, a lister let me know in private

that I'd left a typographical error stand that looked pretty silly in

my post. I didn't mean to type "hapeesh." That's silly. I meant either

kapeesh or capeesh, however someone prefers to spell it phonetically as

a transliteration of the Italian meaning "you understand?" The first

part having to do with the head and the second indicating the 2nd

person familiar.

but as I told this discreet lister, writing,

rereading, revising and spell checking so long a piece of writing as

that one, using ears and memory and not your eyes, is a lot of time and

effort, so much that you'd never even imagine how much. But let me not

insult Scorcese or the cast of the late show The Sopranos or

anyone's grandma in Brooklyn or Cleveland. That letter h was just a

typo I missed correcting.

aned as mbeen All this peace and love

busnies,mucy power say, jap[predaiated

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Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

let's not be dismissive, please. Life is too short for that way of going about things, also. Glad you had fun in China. Thank you.

Re: Apology

Geez... I have just returned from China and it sure took along time to wade through all this stuff.I am glad that you have all kissed and made up and now we can move forward with supporting each other.I have trimmed my post and posted to the top.If I sound curt - it is because I have been up for more than 24 hours.But lets think about what is important in life.~guinYardbird wrote:

Bill,

thanks very much for your kindliness, but my explanation which you found so informative should not strengthen your impression that this was a blindness issue. In my book, it simply isn't. it is so, so common for mailing lists to involve new messages being posted first before the quoting of previous messages that this is all I wanted to draw attention to. The details were just to induce a little guilt in people who insist on thinking it's no big deal. To them alone I was saying Hey, imagine if you were waiting for a delivery from UPS and....

Okay? So we're not having a Stevie Wonder issue here. It's just very normal protocol to do what I suggested. In my case, it's extra trouble when someone does the reverse. That's true. But believe me, if you had any idea how complex these screen reader programs are and how much skill goes into using them as adeptly as I do, you'd be blown away and amazed that you haven't heard any other such complaints from me in which I draw attention to the additional inconvenience of doing this blind.

for instance, and please understand everyone that I say this with a big, affectionate, patient smile, getting through posts where the typing is severely nonstandard so that hardly any word looks like what it was meant to look like, my program attempts to make some phonetic sense out of what it sees and the result is like hearing a message from mars, totally crazy. I have to stop the automatic reading, go back and trace each mysterious word character by character, then let jaws read the phrase again until I can imagine what you'd probably guess was there if you could see it, and then I go on to the next phrase. it takes ages. In other words bill, you're definitely right that I've got a hard time with some of this stuff, but in all sincerity and not wishing to be pitying and dramatic, if I compare the obvious practical problems I suffer sugger from impaired vision (that's not a "politically correct" way to say "blind;" I'm partially sighted, not totally in the dark) to the challenges another person here has to overcome every single day and keeps on going, my problems are made humble and negligible by comparison. so whatever this latest business is to everyone else, it's also a teachable moment for me, too, because at the tsame time it reminds me to be assertive enough to explain my needs, it also reminds me that I have a lot to be grateful for.

it's all good, as people like to say these days. All good.

That said, Bill, you're a good man. Please let no one on this list start yelling at me that I've been rude to you, now. I haven't. I said I appreciate your considerateness, yes?

By the way, a lister let me know in private that I'd left a typographical error stand that looked pretty silly in my post. I didn't mean to type "hapeesh." That's silly. I meant either kapeesh or capeesh, however someone prefers to spell it phonetically as a transliteration of the Italian meaning "you understand?" The first part having to do with the head and the second indicating the 2nd person familiar.

but as I told this discreet lister, writing, rereading, revising and spell checking so long a piece of writing as that one, using ears and memory and not your eyes, is a lot of time and effort, so much that you'd never even imagine how much. But let me not insult Scorcese or the cast of the late show The Sopranos or anyone's grandma in Brooklyn or Cleveland. That letter h was just a typo I missed correcting.

aned as mbeen All this peace and love busnies,mucy power say, jap[predaiated

----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

Let's try it this way. Guin Van Dyke wrote that she had "just returned from China." What a coincidence! i just finished doing the dishes too.

Then she wrote that she was "glad that we have all kissed and made up." You may be glad, but I still have to explain to my wiofe all that lipstick on my collar.

And then she wrote "now we can move forward with supporting each other." That's terrific. It's your turn to pay my mortgage.

Then she wrote "I have trimmed my post" That sounds like a job for a rabbi, and I don't think you qualify for that religious rite.

And then she wrote "If I sound curt" No, you don't sound at all like Curt.

Then she wrote " I have been up for more than 24 hours." the TV ads say to call your doctor after four hours. Hmm Maybe you do sound like Curt.

Finally she wrote "lets think about what is important in life." I did that when i was young, and now I need reading glasses.

From california where if I keep writing this drivel, Ms. Van Dyke will put me in a no-guin situation.

Bill

PS: For Yardbird--How'd that work out? Other than the tasteless drivel content?~guinYardbird wrote:

Bill,

thanks very much for your kindliness, but my explanation which you found so informative should not strengthen your impression that this was a blindness issue. In my book, it simply isn't. it is so, so common for mailing lists to involve new messages being posted first before the quoting of previous messages that this is all I wanted to draw attention to. The details were just to induce a little guilt in people who insist on thinking it's no big deal. To them alone I was saying Hey, imagine if you were waiting for a delivery from UPS and....

Okay? So we're not having a Stevie Wonder issue here. It's just very normal protocol to do what I suggested. In my case, it's extra trouble when someone does the reverse. That's true. But believe me, if you had any idea how complex these screen reader programs are and how much skill goes into using them as adeptly as I do, you'd be blown away and amazed that you haven't heard any other such complaints from me in which I draw attention to the additional inconvenience of doing this blind.

for instance, and please understand everyone that I say this with a big, affectionate, patient smile, getting through posts where the typing is severely nonstandard so that hardly any word looks like what it was meant to look like, my program attempts to make some phonetic sense out of what it sees and the result is like hearing a message from mars, totally crazy. I have to stop the automatic reading, go back and trace each mysterious word character by character, then let jaws read the phrase again until I can imagine what you'd probably guess was there if you could see it, and then I go on to the next phrase. it takes ages. In other words bill, you're definitely right that I've got a hard time with some of this stuff, but in all sincerity and not wishing to be pitying and dramatic, if I compare the obvious practical problems I suffer sugger from impaired vision (that's not a "politically correct" way to say "blind;" I'm partially

sighted, not totally in the dark) to the challenges another person here has to overcome every single day and keeps on going, my problems are made humble and negligible by comparison. so whatever this latest business is to everyone else, it's also a teachable moment for me, too, because at the tsame time it reminds me to be assertive enough to explain my needs, it also reminds me that I have a lot to be grateful for.

it's all good, as people like to say these days. All good.

That said, Bill, you're a good man. Please let no one on this list start yelling at me that I've been rude to you, now. I haven't. I said I appreciate your considerateness, yes?

By the way, a lister let me know in private that I'd left a typographical error stand that looked pretty silly in my post. I didn't mean to type "hapeesh." That's silly. I meant either kapeesh or capeesh, however someone prefers to spell it phonetically as a transliteration of the Italian meaning "you understand?" The first part having to do with the head and the second indicating the 2nd person familiar.

but as I told this discreet lister, writing, rereading, revising and spell checking so long a piece of writing as that one, using ears and memory and not your eyes, is a lot of time and effort, so much that you'd never even imagine how much. But let me not insult Scorcese or the cast of the late show The Sopranos or anyone's grandma in Brooklyn or Cleveland. That letter h was just a typo I missed correcting.

aned as mbeen All this peace and love busnies,mucy power say, jap[predaiated

----- Original Message -----

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bill for your continuing humour -- it sure makes life go buy

with a smile.

Hugs,

~guin

P.S. I had a little nap!

MARTHA or BILL MAHAN wrote:

Let's try it this way.

Guin Van Dyke wrote that she had

"just returned from China." What a coincidence! i just finished doing

the dishes too.

Then she wrote that she was "glad that we have all kissed

and made up." You may be glad, but I still have to explain to my wiofe

all that lipstick on my collar.

And then she wrote "now we can move forward with

supporting each other." That's terrific. It's your turn to pay my

mortgage.

Then she wrote "I have trimmed my post" That sounds like a job for a

rabbi, and I don't think you qualify for that religious rite.

And then she wrote "If I sound curt" No, you don't sound

at all like Curt.

Then she wrote " I have been up for more than 24 hours."

the TV ads say to call your doctor after four hours. Hmm Maybe you do

sound like Curt.

Finally she wrote "lets think about what is important in life." I did

that when i was young, and now I need reading glasses.

From california where if I keep writing this drivel, Ms.

Van Dyke will put me in a no-guin situation.

Bill

PS: For Yardbird--How'd that work out? Other than

the tasteless drivel content?

[Guest guest]

Apology accepted. You will be given a summons to pay

recompense....soon. And no, you will not know what kind of community

service you will be made to perform. Shovel snow? Wash hi rise windows?

Muck out stalls on a dairy farm?

You're fine. We still like you. LOL

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I made wine out of raisins so I wouldn't have to wait for it to age.

& Dreamer Doll ke7nwn

E-mail-

rclark0276@...

Home Page-

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

[Guest guest]

LOL !  You always make me laugh.

Have a great day!

Debbie Cole

From: <rclark0276@...>

Subject: Re: Apology

Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2009, 3:09 PM

 

Apology accepted. You will be given a summons to pay

recompense.. ..soon. And no, you will not know what kind of community

service you will be made to perform. Shovel snow? Wash hi rise windows?

Muck out stalls on a dairy farm?

You're fine. We still like you. LOL

*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

I made wine out of raisins so I wouldn't have to wait for it to age.

& Dreamer Doll ke7nwn

E-mail-

rclark0276charter (DOT) net

Home Page-

http://webpages. charter.net/ dog_guide/

[Guest guest]

Wash hi rise windows???  Can I do that?  The other two don't seem quite as

punishing since I've done them before (hush, everyone, don't tell I love

to wash windows!!!  LOL)

 

________________________________

 

Apology accepted. You will be given a summons to pay

recompense.. ..soon. And no, you will not know what kind of community

service you will be made to perform. Shovel snow? Wash hi rise windows?

Muck out stalls on a dairy farm?

[Guest guest]

Ok, , windows it is. LOL Can you do it? I dunno, I never tried

it myself. ROFL

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No keyboard, press F1 to continue.

--Anonymous

& Dreamer Doll ke7nwn

E-mail-

rclark0276@...

Home Page-

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

[Guest guest]

Cool!  I'll even invite you along so you can see how much fun it is.  LOL

 

Ok, , windows it is. LOL Can you do it? I dunno, I never tried

it myself. ROFL

[Guest guest]

Uh, I will man the ropes from the ground, sure, can do that.

*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

A successful man is one who can lay a firm foundation with the bricks others

have thrown at him.

-- Brinkley

& Dreamer Doll ke7nwn

E-mail-

rclark0276@...

Home Page-

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

[Guest guest]

Dare I trust to keep me safe from falling???  <Wink>

 

________________________________

From: rclark0276@...

 

Uh, I will man the ropes from the ground, sure, can do that.

[Guest guest]

Maybe not. I am easily distracted by uh, moving scenery. ROFL

*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

" I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by. "

--

& Dreamer Doll ke7nwn

E-mail-

rclark0276@...

Home Page-

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/

Re: Apology

Dare I trust to keep me safe from falling??? <Wink>

________________________________

From: rclark0276@...

Uh, I will man the ropes from the ground, sure, can do that.

[Guest guest]

...you are a crack-up.  LOL  thanks for the humorous relief...

 

________________________________

From: rclark0276@...

 

Maybe not. I am easily distracted by uh, moving scenery. ROFL

[Guest guest]

Dear Ellen,

I hope you will reconsider leaving if your decision is based on recently posted

comments.

Like , I consider you a very talented and generous friend to the CLL /

lymphoma community. In particular we are in need of folks who have also the

guts to say what we think and why, and to apologize when we sometimes get it

wrong.

Regarding our personal journeys, we were all tossed into this circumstance

without choice and mostly with little background ... and I feel overall we've

made very big strides in coming to terms with the conditions and understanding

the issues. We learn as we go, and our positions and views change with time ...

if we are adult about it. Anyhow, your voice is needed and I urge you to stay.

All the best,

Karl

>

> Although the discussion is finished, I need to let the list know I sent a

personal apology to . 3 pretty devastating medical journal articles about

CT Scans had come to my attention earlier that day. They were much scarier than

anything I'd previously read and I was too emotional and should not have posted.

For those who asked, I will leave the list when returns but have folks I

can write to about how everyone's doing and what's new.

> -Ellen D

>

[Guest guest]

What a great post, Helene ...or Elmer. I love your attitude. I could use someone like you every AM in the mirror when I brush my teeth -- saying "get over yourself already..." I think I'll try it myself!Your advice is sound. I'm not leaving the list because of but your post applies to other feelings I've had as a frequent poster -- many, many times when my heel reached for my rear. There are other reasons why I need to do this and I am conscious of what's best for the list but what's best for me has to come first right now.I'll be putting my time to good use, I hope -- reading 's back and current articles (she wrote me and we're OK). I too often talk through my head and could use some catching up about what's going on. seems to present things very clearly and in a reader-friendly way so even I should be able to grasp some stuff.I will, if you don't mind and even if you do, keep this post. I love it.-EllenOn Jan 24, 2010, at 1:00 AM, Helene wrote:

Ellen, I was a bit disturbed by your post about , but so

what? This is a forum and those of us on it are here because we have

fear, uncertainty, trouble coping, medical dilemmas, etc. Everyone on

here is liable to post something disturbing to others at times, or downright

inappropriate. If it is overbounds, they should be called on it.But minor ripples of sensitivity are a dime a dozen on

a list such as this – we are dealing with a big and on-going crisis in

our lives. To even consider leaving the list is far more harmful to the

group than any ill-thought statements you might, or might not, make. You

post often, share experience and offer support. If you offended some

people – well, I am sure some have offended you. Just because I’ve

called my husband a jerk when I shouldn’t have, doesn’t mean I

decided to abandon marriage! Great analogy. I wish I'd known that about 40 years ago! Please stay; please accept that if you make some mistakes

someone will say something, and you may often vehemently disagree as to whether

you were right or not. That’s what a forum is. I am sure I speak for

many who want you to stay. But I appreciate any “bias”

shows, as it seems to mostly lean towards getting at the truth.But I don’t think liking is a prerequisite here

for group membership. She has a huge fan club, of which I am a member,

and can well withstand a few naysayers. We all seem to be too super-sensitive these days. Elmer

[Guest guest]

Ellen, I agree with the sentiments stated

below. I don’t read everything posted (who has time?) so I don’t

know why you are leaving. I, too, hope that you will stay as your posts are

well reasoned, well informed and very helpful. Please stay if you were leaving

for reasons to do with individual differences. (I am sure that would agree

– he could use your help.)

Bonnie

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Helene

Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010

1:00 AM

Subject: apology

Ellen,

I was a bit

disturbed by your post about , but so what? This is a forum and

those of us on it are here because we have fear, uncertainty, trouble coping,

medical dilemmas, etc. Everyone on here is liable to post something

disturbing to others at times, or downright inappropriate. If it is

overbounds, they should be called on it.

But minor ripples

of sensitivity are a dime a dozen on a list such as this – we are

dealing with a big and on-going crisis in our lives.

To even consider

leaving the list is far more harmful to the group than any ill-thought

statements you might, or might not, make. You post often, share

experience and offer support. If you offended some people – well, I

am sure some have offended you. Just because I’ve called my husband

a jerk when I shouldn’t have, doesn’t mean I decided to abandon

marriage!

Please stay;

please accept that if you make some mistakes someone will say something, and

you may often vehemently disagree as to whether you were right or not.

That’s what

a forum is. I am sure I speak for many who want you to stay. But I

appreciate any “bias” shows, as it seems to mostly lean

towards getting at the truth.

But I don’t

think liking is a prerequisite here for group membership. She has a

huge fan club, of which I am a member, and can well withstand a few naysayers.

We all seem to be

too super-sensitive these days.

Elmer

[Guest guest]

I doubly agree with this writer. Please reconsider. You are such a great asset

apology

Ellen,

I was a bit disturbed by your post about , but so what? This is a forum and those of us on it are here because we have fear, uncertainty, trouble coping, medical dilemmas, etc. Everyone on here is liable to post something disturbing to others at times, or downright inappropriate. If it is overbounds, they should be called on it.

But minor ripples of sensitivity are a dime a dozen on a list such as this – we are dealing with a big and on-going crisis in our lives.

To even consider leaving the list is far more harmful to the group than any ill-thought statements you might, or might not, make. You post often, share experience and offer support. If you offended some people – well, I am sure some have offended you. Just because I’ve called my husband a jerk when I shouldn’t have, doesn’t mean I decided to abandon marriage!

Please stay; please accept that if you make some mistakes someone will say something, and you may often vehemently disagree as to whether you were right or not.

That’s what a forum is. I am sure I speak for many who want you to stay. But I appreciate any “bias†shows, as it seems to mostly lean towards getting at the truth.

But I don’t think liking is a prerequisite here for group membership. She has a huge fan club, of which I am a member, and can well withstand a few naysayers.

We all seem to be too super-sensitive these days.

Elmer

[Guest guest]

Bahahaha!  Good luck!!   I have been there, tried to run over one of the pastors at our church!  That would make for an uncomfortable Sunday.

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:56 AM, <heather@...> wrote:

 

Wish me luck! I'm going to apologize twice this a.m. Almost ran over theprinciple yesterday while picking Liv up. oops.HRH

[Guest guest]

Ok I know I shouldn't be laughing but can't help it. Good Luck and be careful!Amy J Mom to Allie(3) in 3rd cast down from 56* to 13* in cast!Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerryFrom: heather@...Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 08:56:55 -0400<infantile scoliosis treatment >Subject: apology Wish me luck! I'm going to apologize twice this a.m. Almost ran over theprinciple yesterday while picking Liv up. oops.HRH

[Guest guest]

It was not intentional!!! Ha ha ha!!! Im laughing again

thanks!!!

HRH

From:

infantile scoliosis treatment

[mailto:infantile scoliosis treatment ] On Behalf Of Judy Poland

Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2010 6:59 AM

infantile scoliosis treatment

Subject: Re: apology

Bahahaha! Good luck!! I have

been there, tried to run over one of the pastors at our church! That

would make for an uncomfortable Sunday.

On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 7:56 AM, <heather@...>

wrote:

Wish me luck! I'm going to

apologize twice this a.m. Almost ran over the

principle yesterday while picking Liv up. oops.

HRH

[Guest guest]

You are awesome, ! It's brave to apologize and put yourself out there like that. It was evolved of you, and good for the other mom for turning it into a postitive! Inspiring. Heidi, Bexon's Mommy, (2 and a half years old, in 6th cast from Salt Lake City Shriners, currently down from 61 degrees to 25 in cast)

From: Hyatt <heather@...>infantile scoliosis treatment Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 10:06:02 AMSubject: apology

I DID IT!! Gosh, do I feel better. The mom cried again but it was a good cry, not a bad one. I cried a little too. She had no idea what Liv had been through and when told, the tears started rollin….I think/hope we will become friends! We talked a lot about the situation on Monday and about a lot of other personal stuff too. She has her own set of huge problems to contend with (just like everyone on the planet) and I was surprised she was so open about all of it. I think explaining Livs situation really broke the ice. She was awesome and so was the principal. Saying sorry when you screwed up is da’ bomb…Especially, if its well received.

So relieved,

HRH