Protandim

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/1/2006 12:10:28 AM Eastern Standard Time,

blue74730@... writes:

I just heard a good report from a friend, who was extemely ill, about

this product. http://www.protandim.com/ I believe someone else may

have just started this. I know that PWC's have oxidative stress.

Bob

Bob

I just looked at the ingredients panel and that's a nice selection of five

herbs..... I get milk thistle for less than $10.00 a pound. Tumeric comes

from the Bulk Food Store for about $6.00 per pound...... so, for those that may

want to do a 'homebrew', the components are readily available. Green tea I

get in the supermarket, 100 tea bags for about $4.00.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Why not take a product to boost glutathione?

egards

CA

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/1/2006 6:16:18 PM Eastern Standard Time,

blue74730@... writes:

Bob

>

> I just looked at the ingredients panel and that's a nice selection

of five

> herbs..... I get milk thistle for less than $10.00 a pound.

Tumeric comes

> from the Bulk Food Store for about $6.00 per pound...... so, for

those that may

> want to do a 'homebrew', the components are readily available.

Green tea I

> get in the supermarket, 100 tea bags for about $4.00.

>

> mjh

There were two items I did not recognize and have not done a search

for yet. Plus for some who do not mix there own, this can be readily

bought at GNC. My friend said that she couldn't take as much as

directed because she would experience what I use to call a herx

(healing phase). I just report it and let people make up their own

mind and it is good that you also let people know that these items

can be bought seperately.

Bob

..

..>>> Bob

And I appreciate knowing what's out there. Both the Ashwanganda and the

Bacopa are used in Aryuvedic medicine and are readily available in most

healthfood store.

Bacopa's having a resurgence of interest in it's possible helpfulness in

seizure disorders.

mjh

" The Basil Book "

http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

[Guest guest]

Bob

>

> I just looked at the ingredients panel and that's a nice selection

of five

> herbs..... I get milk thistle for less than $10.00 a pound.

Tumeric comes

> from the Bulk Food Store for about $6.00 per pound...... so, for

those that may

> want to do a 'homebrew', the components are readily available.

Green tea I

> get in the supermarket, 100 tea bags for about $4.00.

>

> mjh

There were two items I did not recognize and have not done a search

for yet. Plus for some who do not mix there own, this can be readily

bought at GNC. My friend said that she couldn't take as much as

directed because she would experience what I use to call a herx

(healing phase). I just report it and let people make up their own

mind and it is good that you also let people know that these items

can be bought seperately.

Bob

[Guest guest]

If I had a nickel for every miracle supplement out there

I'll be the new Bill Gate, LOL

As HIV+ individual we should all take a multivitamin and

multi-mineral a day, what you need you absorb what you don't need your body

discards.

As to what makes for a better product then the next,

I fresh fruits and veggies are your best bet, or juice.

Anything beyond that is really about what makes you feel better mentally,

there are claims of benefits for hundreds of herbs and supplements

and other so called natural products and remember if it is in a pill

it isn't that natural anymore, you can't take them all or even try them all.

And believe me I have try myself quite few over the years, and if drinking

green tea or eating garlic and licorice makes you feel better go for it

but once common sense takes over you will quickly realize those

great health claims are hype just made to sell a product.

And taking too much of anything is bad for you.

Bottom line buy it if it makes you feel, but

fresh fruits like kiwi, raspberry and blubbery will give you

a lot more, heck the apple a day will too.

Fruits and vegetables are full of anti oxidants, if you eat a

common sense balance diet and you do not smoke, do drugs and drink

too much alcohol you are already getting what you need.

Mark B

> From: gloart2@... <gloart2@...>

> Subject: Protandim

>

> Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 8:09 AM

> Has anyone had any experience with or

> know anything about a product called Protandim?  It is

> suppose to repair damage done to cells by free

> radicals.  This helps one's immune system.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

"Has anyone had any experience with or know anything about a product called Protandim? It is suppose to repair damage done to cells by free radicals. This helps one's immune system."The website makes a bunch of claims that sound vaguely scientific, but which in fact make no sense. There is not a "rate of oxidation of a 20 year old." Pure, undiluted bullshit.It sounds like it might be a marketing scheme of some kind.JB

[Guest guest]

No idea,

Perhaps ask the manufacturer if vinegar would cause problems and apply to KT.

Peace, Love and Harmony,

Bev

>

> I have been taking a product called protandim for oxidative stress.

> It is a scientifically proven antioxidant that helps the body's DNA to do its

job which it fighting off free radiacals. My question is, will kombucha take

away the benifit I receive from the protandim?

>

> Lifevantage.com/foote

>

[Guest guest]

Not sure we have discussed this.  Is it a good anti-aging product?

http://mylifevantage.com/prolink/protandim.aspx?gclid=CN-QmdvnwacCFcW8KgodOE9qBA

 

Protandim a day eliminates free radicals at a rate of one million to one per

second every second and reduces your oxidative stress level to that of a 20 year

old in just 30 days

[Guest guest]

Dee, for you, a full disclosure: I never bought a thing from Amega Global

because I was gifted two wands and a pendant early on by a friend. I understand

that if I buy some products every month on autoship that I might build a

business. That's the MLM way. I did investigate and certainly suggest some

stellar leading health products. Unmatched in fact as far as I know

I couldn't find in my Linkedin profile any mention of Amega but it doesan't

matter as I forgot I had an account there and I've been deleting Linkedin

messages as spam anyway. I have terminated the account as far as I know.

If you hope to gain some kind of one-upmanship points with your cronies by

investigating me, feel free Dolores; I have nothing to hide.

all good,

Duncan

>

> >

> > Another product, Amega Global's AMGenex DNA, similarly switches on the

genetic expression to produce glutathione in 200 genes. It's active ingredient

is a specially concentrated sulforaphane. You can get standard sulforaphane in

several locations; I think AMGenex' claim to fame is the inclusion of several

exotic superfruit extracts.

> >

> > all good,

> >

> > Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Ah, I see you changed it after I posted that link. Before you changed it your

picture and info were beneath the other Duncan Crow - now it's above - and it

most definitely had the additional sentence saying that you are an " owner at

Amega Global " . Not that I believe you are/were an actual " owner " . Nor am I

trying to interfere with your building a business. Just trying to keep you

honest Duncan. I most respect those on this list who are up front with their

affiliations when promoting a product.

Dee

> >

> > Duncan,

> >

> > Isn't Amega Global another MLM company you represent and promote on a number

of ? In fact your Lindekin profile says you are an " owner " at Amega

Global:

> > http://www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Duncan/Crow

> >

> > Dee

[Guest guest]

DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding it

up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot more

than $9 a month for one ingredient.

No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

dealing with MLM's.

>

> Hi Helen,

>

> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>

> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

> & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232;

> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232;

> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>

> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however,

you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty sure

you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than the

amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals that

Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>

> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>

> All the Best,

> Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Your always talking about having proof. Where is your proof that it doesnt work

for the elderly?Protandim has proof that it works despite your opinion. Or has

Amega done clinical trials and published research in medical lit that I unaware

of? Protandim has, it has even the FDA's approval to make these claims.

I dont buy into the whole deal only in that nothing is a one size fits all fix.

Some people will need more and some people do not need it at all. Some people

have good genes and live long despite what they do.

> >

> > Not sure we have discussed this.  Is it a good anti-aging product?

> >

http://mylifevantage.com/prolink/protandim.aspx?gclid=CN-QmdvnwacCFcW8KgodOE9qBA

> >  

> > Protandim a day eliminates free radicals at a rate of one million to one per

second every second and reduces your oxidative stress level to that of a 20 year

old in just 30 days

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I checked this out and if you buy strictly Swanson's brands, there are two buy

one/get one sales on these herbs going on right now, so that helps quite a bit

with the price. It is only a few dollars more, otherwise, when it is all tallied

up.

I don't like dealing with MLM's either, even if the product might be good. I had

a bad experience with one that firmly established how I feel about MLMs. My

resulting assessment is that they are just wrong, wrong, wrong in the way their

businesses are set up. No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a

downline big bucks to make a purchase.

________________________________

From: Byron <byron.jacobson@...>

Coconut Oil

Sent: Thu, March 10, 2011 9:02:06 AM

Subject: Re: Protandim

DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy those

herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try adding it

up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be alot more

than $9 a month for one ingredient.

No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

dealing with MLM's.

>

> Hi Helen,

>

> The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

>

> • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

> & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

> • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232;

> • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232;

> • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

>

> The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim, however,

>you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the same

>ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty sure

>you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than the

>amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals that

>Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

> http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

>

> Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

>

> All the Best,

> Dee

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-10 9:11 AM, Byron wrote:

> Your always talking about having proof. Where is your proof that it

> doesnt work for the elderly?

While Duncan is certainly capable of defending himself, I hate it when I

see someone jumped on for something they *didn't* say... please read

someone's post before going off half-cocked...

He didn't say 'it doesn't work for the elderly', what he said was:

" I think that some elderly people who can't produce adequate

antioxidants even though the precursors are there would benefit by

increasing the message. "

How does " ...would benefit by... " equate to 'doesn't work'?

He went on to say:

" The majority respond well to the precursors without the Protandim. "

So, he is saying the majority of elderly don't even need it if they take

the precursors (aka whey protein isolate)...

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-10 9:14 AM, Lyn K wrote:

> No consumer should have to pay up to 7 people in a downline big bucks

> to make a purchase.

Thankfully, no consumer does... unless you are suggesting there are

MLM's out there that force people to buy their product against their will??

[Guest guest]

Byron,

Do the Math:

Here is Swanson's (no affiliation) prices for the following ingredients in

Protandim:

Milk Thistle: 500 mg. - 100 caps @$3.49 = .04 each

Tumeric: 720 mg. - 100 caps@$3.99= .04 each

Green Tea Extract: 200mg. -120 caps@$5.49 = .05 each

Bacopia Monniera BaCognize: 500mg. -90 caps @$7.99 =.09 each

Ashwagandha Extract: 450 mg - 60 caps @$4.69 = .08 each

Total per day = .30

30 day supply = $9.00

Dee

>

>

>

> DEE, I would challenge you on that one.. there is no way you could buy

those herbs for $9 a month even if it was floor sweepings. Get real and try

adding it up even if you bought the poorest bulk product you can find it will be

alot more than $9 a month for one ingredient.

> No I dont sell it but after adding it up its not a bad deal I just dont like

dealing with MLM's.

> >

> > Hi Helen,

> >

> > The ingredients in Protandim are the following:

> >

> > • Milk Thistle – Supports liver health.

> > & #8232;• Turmeric – Provides a healthy response to inflammation.

> > • Green Tea – Increaces metabolism, burns fat. & #8232;

> > • Bacopa – Increases SOD and catalse production. & #8232;

> > • Ashwagandha – Used for centuries in India for numerous applications.

> >

> > The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim,

however, you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase the

same ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also, I'm pretty

sure you will get more of the ingredients by taking them separately, rather than

the amount that would fit into one capsule of Protandim. A quick check reveals

that Protandim is being sold by MLM (multi-level marketing) distributors:

> > http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

> >

> > Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

> >

> > All the Best,

> > Dee

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Dee, I went on the linkedin page, saw the header, entered the edit page

twice looking for an Amega word to edit out but that wasn't even the header that

you saw. When I backed out the second time and viewed the public profile I saw

the correct header from an old edit I made months ago was finally flushed from

the server cache. But what do I know, I'm only Microsoft certified.

Yup, some products are sold differently from others, but I'd prefer to discuss

product quality and research over the intricacies of how a company chooses to

get their product out.

Have a pleasant day Dee keeping everybody honest; there's lots of work ahead of

you.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Ah, I see you changed it after I posted that link. Before you changed it your

picture and info were beneath the other Duncan Crow - now it's above - and it

most definitely had the additional sentence saying that you are an " owner at

Amega Global " . Not that I believe you are/were an actual " owner " . Nor am I

trying to interfere with your building a business. Just trying to keep you

honest Duncan. I most respect those on this list who are up front with their

affiliations when promoting a product.

>

> Dee

>

[Guest guest]

Duncan,

I'm not sure what you are saying here but here is the search page that led me to

your linkedin page:

http://tinyurl.com/4bf7ste

Duncan Crow profiles | LinkedIn

View the profiles of professionals named Duncan Crow on LinkedIn. ... Current:

Owner at Amega Global, Wholistic Consultant at Anti-Aging and Health Services

....

www.linkedin.com/pub/dir/Duncan/Crow - Cached

(you obviously changed it since I clicked on it yesterday as today the sentence

about Amega Gobal is missing). However it still appears on the search page as

above.

There are other references to you and Amega Global there as well:

electroherbalism : Message: Re: question about glutathione

18 posts - 6 authors - Last post: Dec 23, 2010

Global's product AMgenex DNA for example switches on 200 genes that promote ...

If you use more than one approach to... Duncan Crow ...

health.dir./group/electroherbalism/.../13381 - Cached

Amega Global Review, Can You Wave Your Amega Global Wand And ...

May 19, 2010 ... An Amega Global review from an unbiased, credible, third party

viewpoint. ... My friend and professional in this arena, Duncan Crow, ...

www.articlesbase.com › Business › Home Business - Cached

You may prefer to discuss product quality, Duncan, but I think the members also

deserve to know if the one promoting it is also benefiting financially from it's

sale in any way. Believe it not, being truthful tends to inspire trust.

Dee

>

> Thanks Dee, I went on the linkedin page, saw the header, entered the edit page

twice looking for an Amega word to edit out but that wasn't even the header that

you saw. When I backed out the second time and viewed the public profile I saw

the correct header from an old edit I made months ago was finally flushed from

the server cache. But what do I know, I'm only Microsoft certified.

>

> Yup, some products are sold differently from others, but I'd prefer to discuss

product quality and research over the intricacies of how a company chooses to

get their product out.

>

> Have a pleasant day Dee keeping everybody honest; there's lots of work ahead

of you.

>

> all good,

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm saying I promote many products Dee that I don't sell; some are indeed from

AMega Global. I'm sure there will be text and keywords on the Internet for

several years because I've certainly mentioned many products. I replied in

detail to your last question about the old Linkedin listing here:

<Coconut Oil/message/34110>

Like I said I don't use Linkedin and forgot I had it until you mentioned it, and

the title header you referred to was outdated anyway.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Duncan,

>

> I'm not sure what you are saying here

[Guest guest]

Hi Dee:

Good points, all. It seldom makes sense to buy products that are put

together by a marketer in my experience. The only products that you

can't do this with are patented and that seldom is the case with

Supplements.

Cheers,

Jim

>The ingredients are all good. I take them all. If you buy Protandim,

however, you will be paying $40 to $50 per month, while you can purchase

the same ingredients for a total of only $9 per month (Swanson's). Also,

I'm pretty sure you will get more of the ingredients by taking them

separately, rather than the amount that would fit into one capsule of

Protandim. A quick check reveals that Protandim is being sold by MLM

(multi-level marketing) distributors:

http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/

<http://matthewneer.com/mlm/protandimreview/>

Not my favorite way of purchasing supplements.

All the Best,

Dee

[Guest guest]

What products are not put together by the marketer?

Alobar

On Thu, Mar 10, 2011 at 7:51 PM, Huuman <huuman60@...> wrote:

> Hi Dee:

>

> Good points, all.  It seldom makes sense to buy products that are put

> together by a marketer in my experience.  The only products that you

> can't do this with are patented and that seldom is the case with

> Supplements.

>

> Cheers,

> Jim

>

>

[Guest guest]

Byron, yes, I know that the herbs have many beneficial effects.

Protandim is being sold as a glutathione increaser though, and the antioxidant

research used dosages " sufficiently low to avoid any accompanying unwanted

pharmacological effects (675 mg/day). "

The result was " modest induction of the catalytic antioxidants SOD and

catalase " , and " significant increases in the levels of total glutathione in

Protandim-treated cells. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16413416

Modest but significant increases are great but precursors can produce a

glutathione rise by a factor of 400%-500%, which doesn't occur with Protandim.

Glutathione is a primary molecule in the generation of energy, and also the main

mitochondrial antioxidant among other things. Part of glutathione's function is

to regenerate the other antioxidants and increase their level by sparing them as

well, which depletes the glutathione. If precursors are not supplied to match

the depletion, glutathione is being recycled more than created and levels will

be lower.

Protandim is still useful in this case but about 4/5 of its potential will not

be realised, which devalues it somewhat.

So, more can be done with glutathione increase, and arguably should be, because

one would have to stay in the UPPER QUARTILE to reach 100 years of age, or

optimal health at any age.

For the same cost as Protandim one can take two scoops of glutathione precursors

and selenium every day; in most people, even the elderly, this will raise

glutathione and several other antioxidant enzymes in question. My vote goes to

the raw precursors as the primary glutathione increaser.

Just a perspective on relative value; some people may benefit by doing both, but

the basic one is the precursor.

I agree with you on the value of ORAC scores.

On the other hand, sulforaphane has been shown to turn on glutathione production

and this is not part of ORAC scoring. It looks like much research has been done

on detoxification, liver function, and more than half the research indicates

" exciting " potential in cancer prevention. I wouldn't overlook it.

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=sulforaphane%20genetic%20expression>

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Duncan, could you state again how you take undenatured whey, that is what do you

mix with it and do you whip it up in a blender?

Thank you, Agnes

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Protandim

Coconut Oil

Date: Friday, March 11, 2011, 12:40 PM

 

Byron, yes, I know that the herbs have many beneficial effects.

Protandim is being sold as a glutathione increaser though, and the antioxidant

research used dosages " sufficiently low to avoid any accompanying unwanted

pharmacological effects (675 mg/day). "

The result was " modest induction of the catalytic antioxidants SOD and

catalase " , and " significant increases in the levels of total glutathione in

Protandim-treated cells. "

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16413416

Modest but significant increases are great but precursors can produce a

glutathione rise by a factor of 400%-500%, which doesn't occur with Protandim.

Glutathione is a primary molecule in the generation of energy, and also the main

mitochondrial antioxidant among other things. Part of glutathione's function is

to regenerate the other antioxidants and increase their level by sparing them as

well, which depletes the glutathione. If precursors are not supplied to match

the depletion, glutathione is being recycled more than created and levels will

be lower.

Protandim is still useful in this case but about 4/5 of its potential will not

be realised, which devalues it somewhat.

So, more can be done with glutathione increase, and arguably should be, because

one would have to stay in the UPPER QUARTILE to reach 100 years of age, or

optimal health at any age.

For the same cost as Protandim one can take two scoops of glutathione precursors

and selenium every day; in most people, even the elderly, this will raise

glutathione and several other antioxidant enzymes in question. My vote goes to

the raw precursors as the primary glutathione increaser.

Just a perspective on relative value; some people may benefit by doing both, but

the basic one is the precursor.

I agree with you on the value of ORAC scores.

On the other hand, sulforaphane has been shown to turn on glutathione production

and this is not part of ORAC scoring. It looks like much research has been done

on detoxification, liver function, and more than half the research indicates

" exciting " potential in cancer prevention. I wouldn't overlook it.

<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=sulforaphane%20genetic%20expression>

all good,

Duncan

[Guest guest]

Good question Alobar... We were discussing mixes of various supplements

put into a single capsule. That was my lame attempt at finding a name

for them.

>What products are not put together by the marketer?

Alobar<

[Guest guest]

On 2011-03-12 11:16 AM, algaelady1 wrote:

> I have never been associated with an MLM that forced consumers to buy

> stuff, and if that was their policy then I wouldn't join that MLM either.

People, it was s joke... it is *impossible* for an MLM to force anyone

to buy something against their will.