Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Hi Lea, I don't know if the air theory is an old wives tale or not but I would tend to think so. Any operation weakens the immunes system further than it already is and if the health of the body has not been restored then it seems logical that the cancer will redevelope some place else. I have also read that a primary tumor send out a chemical preventing other cancer cells from becoming primary and it is only when a peice breaks off that it spreads. According to the article, once the primary is removed this chemical is no longer being produces so any cancer cells can then become multiple primaries in an unhealthy body. From all I have read, that is why it is important to clean the colon, liver, kidneys, skin...so that the body can take on nourishment and heal the way it is supposed to. The best way we all know how to get enough good nourishment into the body is through juicing. It gives the pancrease a break that it probably needs and allows a person to consume an abundance of foods without all the bulk that would be associated with them if a person consumed the whole food. I hope that made sense. It boils down to, a person would have to eat an awful lot of food to get the same nourishment they can get from juicing. I had read some years ago an article on cranberries. The article stated that their may be some truth behind the myth that cranberries were good for the kidney and bladder since they contained the same enzyme that is in abundance in the healing waters in Lourdes France, only in smaller quantity. Some people claim it is because the water is clustered but I have read arguments about clustered water. I do however know that the body must have enzymes and minerals to absorb nutrients properly. It is equally important to give the body enough water, preferably distilled or at least filtered. (Many suggest a minimum of a gallon a day in liquids, water and/or juice) Only your friend can decide how she will proceed and all you can do is give her your opinion on the options the doctor doesn't. Moonbeam recently reposted what he calls Protocol 1, you might want to print it out and offer a copy to your friend. Be sure, their are people here who will pray for your friends healing and guidance through her trials. God Bless, Eileen operation does anyone no if operations increase cancer growth i read somewhere that once the air gets in that it spreads rapidly, is there any truth in this my friend seems to may have to go for another operation as she now has pain in her kidney and i am scared because she just had one and lost her uterus and since has found more cancer and nothing but pain since, i am worried if she goes in again it may be the start of the end for her, could this be true or am i worrying to much here, thanks anyone lea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Some people say that an operation helps spread cancer cells, while others say an operation helps rid the body more quickly of the cancer. I don't know which has the most truth. My guess is if you have a sick body, the cancer is likely to spread. But a healthy body will fight and kill any cancer cells that are left behind. Your friend could change her diet to help build a healthy body like the woman below did. For best results, take lots of extra food medicines, like Immune Supports. There is a story on the web about a woman who had breast cancer so the doctor removed the breast. After the operation, he assured her that all the cancer was gone and would not return. Six months later, the cancer appeared on the other breast, so the doctor removed her other breast. The cancer next appeared in her other organs, and the doctors next wanted to do chemo or radiation on her. At this point, the woman said " No " to the doctors since their treatments had failed. She suspected that she was eating the wrong foods and changed her diet. She ate as naturally as possible...GRAINS, VEGETABLES, FRUITS, NUTS, and SEEDS. She ate them all RAW, except for the grains which she soaked in WARM water. After several months, she went back to the doctor, and as I recall, the cancers were about the same size or smaller. Another few months went by, and she went back to the doctor who found her to be CANCER FREE. \\\ =(o o)= ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--V---+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > >does anyone no if operations increase cancer growth i read >somewhere that once the air gets in that it spreads rapidly, is >there any truth in this my friend seems to may have to go for >another operation as she now has pain in her kidney and i am >scared because she just had one and lost her uterus and since >has found more cancer and nothing but pain since, i am worried >if she goes in again it may be the start of the end for her, >could this be true or am i worrying to much here, thanks anyone >lea > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 I've heard several different theories why operating causes cancer to spread. Any operation is an assault on the body's immune system, and if there is cancer present, the immune system is already taxed strongly. Carving out cancer rarely gets it all, and usually leaves the strongest cancer cells to develop an even stronger cancer growth eventually. The only real answer to eliminating cancer is to help the body's elimination organs work to their fullest. Cleansing them and supporting them with proper nutrition is the way to get them to overcome cancer and other disease. Too many folks have clogged elimination systems, either the lymphatic, the bowels, the kidneys, the liver or combinations of them. Giving your body juice instead of whole food is a quick way to relieve the stress of digestion while nourishing and flushing the body. Deep breathing and movement exercise get the old stuff moving on out of the body, as does a high level of fluid intake. Water is an amazing cure for almost all disease, and when you are feeling poorly, an ounce of water per pound of body weight is a minimum. These practices should be in place before considering an operation. Pain is a gift telling us it's time to flush out the blockage! Carving on the body is what is done after no flushing for too long. For kidney cleansing, a simple drink of one lemon, one lime, 16oz of water, a teaspoon of cayenne powder and maple syrup to taste is excellent. Lots of fluids plus one of those drinks in the morning will help the kidneys considerably. Also it is important not to drink caffeine or soda pop if the kidneys are to work properly. Keep looking around for more info, as there's lots out there..there's a group here at that has info on kidney cleansing: kidneycleanse/ Good luck! Eulypian > does anyone no if operations increase cancer growth i read somewhere that once the air gets in that it spreads rapidly, is there any truth in this my friend seems to may have to go for another operation as she now has pain in her kidney and i am scared because she just had one and lost her uterus and since has found more cancer and nothing but pain since, i am worried if she goes in again it may be the start of the end for her, could this be true or am i worrying to much here, > thanks anyone > lea > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2001 Report Share Posted December 28, 2001 Joyce, here is the best explanation I have seen of how and why a cancer can quickly consume a patient after the removal of the primary or " mother " tumor. This link is to a segmented film,each part lastinga little over 5 minutes. Everyone should try to watch this and save the link for future need. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/cancer/program.html Gerald --- Joyce Inouye <jinouy01@...> wrote: > > Some people say that an operation helps spread > cancer cells, > while others say an operation helps rid the body > more quickly of > the cancer. I don't know which has the most truth. > My guess is > if you have a sick body, the cancer is likely to > spread. But a > healthy body will fight and kill any cancer cells > that are left > behind. > > Your friend could change her diet to help build a > healthy body > like the woman below did. For best results, take > lots of > extra food medicines, like Immune Supports. > > There is a story on the web about a woman who had > breast cancer > so the doctor removed the breast. After the > operation, he assured > her that all the cancer was gone and would not > return. Six > months later, the cancer appeared on the other > breast, so the > doctor removed her other breast. The cancer next > appeared in her > other organs, and the doctors next wanted to do > chemo or > radiation on her. > > At this point, the woman said " No " to the doctors > since their > treatments had failed. She suspected that she was > eating the > wrong foods and changed her diet. She ate as > naturally as > possible...GRAINS, VEGETABLES, FRUITS, NUTS, and > SEEDS. She ate > them all RAW, except for the grains which she soaked > in WARM > water. > > After several months, she went back to the doctor, > and as I > recall, the cancers were about the same size or > smaller. Another > few months went by, and she went back to the doctor > who found her > to be CANCER FREE. > > \\\ > =(o o)= > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++--V---+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ > > > > >does anyone no if operations increase cancer growth > i read > >somewhere that once the air gets in that it spreads > rapidly, is > >there any truth in this my friend seems to may have > to go for > >another operation as she now has pain in her kidney > and i am > >scared because she just had one and lost her uterus > and since > >has found more cancer and nothing but pain since, i > am worried > >if she goes in again it may be the start of the end > for her, > >could this be true or am i worrying to much here, > thanks anyone > >lea > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post > your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email > to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting > http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 Yes, and this is information we have for a long time. Although of the three traditional cancer treatments, surgery, chemo and radiation, surgery is the least damaging, it only takes ONE cell to cause spreading after an operation, which is why a follow up treatment, the classics would offer either chemo and or radiation, and or a battery of holistic, dietary, natural treatments are to be suggested. Do you want more information? carole s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 29, 2001 Report Share Posted December 29, 2001 I think what's up with this is, that people that have operation, usually don't do all the clearing neccessary to get rid of the cancer cells left behind. Operations should be thought of as a way to reduce the size of the tumors, to give the person some additional time to fight the cancer. Then jump on the supps and juices and emotional clearing hot and heavy to rid the body of the remaining cells. Yeah, this may require a bit of chemo or radiation for some, for a short time. I don't beleive that you take the doctors word when he says, " we got it all you're cured " . Like what the doc did to me. Klaus >--- Joyce Inouye <jinouy01@...> wrote: >> >> Some people say that an operation helps spread >> cancer cells, >> while others say an operation helps rid the body >> more quickly of >> the cancer. I don't know which has the most truth. >> My guess is >> if you have a sick body, the cancer is likely to >> spread. But a >> healthy body will fight and kill any cancer cells >> that are left >> behind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Hi, Stuart. In my opinion, not having the operation to remove cholesteatoma is far worse than having it. If ignored, it can lead to hearing loss, facial nerve damage and more. In my son's case, the operation probably saved him from permanent damage. The cholesteatoma had destroyed 2/3 hearing bones, wrapped itself around the facial nerve and had entered part of the brain. We are fortunate that our second opinion doctor operated within a week after first seeing Troy (he was 3 years old at the time). Troy is now 9 years old and has had to undergo numerous surgeries, due to recurrences and reconstruction. He leads a very normal life, even with only 50% of the hearing in his left ear. We feel fortunate to have found a doctor at that time who knew much about the disease. When you get the results of the ct-scan, please keep in mind that the scan will only show a portion of the cholesteatoma. In my son's case, it was far worse than the scan showed. Cholesteatoma likes to hide, therefore, making it fairly impossible to predict the outcome. The doctor will only know the extent once he operates. If your son is like most kids, he will bounce back quickly. Cholesteatoma is much harder on the parents than it is in the child. After my son's first surgery, he was soon bouncing off the walls, like a typical 3 year old. We had a very difficult time keeping him calm! This is a wonderful group of people and if you need more information, please let us know. And when you meet with your son's doctor, don't hesitate to ask questions. If you have any doubts about the doctor's ability, seek another opinion (this is very important). Is your son's doctor an otolaryngologist or an otologist? An otologist is an ENT who specializes in diseases of the ear (my son's doctor is and we are highly confident in his ability). If not, you might want to at least get a second opinion from one such doctor. Take care and keep us posted. Terri (mom of Troy) -----Original Message-----From: Stuart Winton [mailto:stuart@...]Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 9:24 AMcholesteatoma Subject: OperationHelloMy 11 year son has just recently been diagnosed as having a c-toma. He is to have a scan tomorrow (Wednesday 4/6/2003) and a return visit to the consultant later in June. I am concerned at the effects of the operation. I have heard that the op is sometimes unsuccessful and can in fact make matters worse. Can anyone give me any useful information about the operation and its after effects as I feel I may have been misinformed.ThanksStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Hi Stuart, When you say "make matters worse" I assume you mean ending up with worse hearing. The problem that I think many ctoma sufferers have is that their hearing problem is something they have lived with and want corrected, but then when ctoma is diagnosed, hearing or not hearing is put on the back burner. The bottom line is that the ctoma most likely needs to be removed. Hopefully your son's hearing will be restored and even improved. As hard as it to deal with we have to accept that our hearing is second in importance now. Good luck to you and your son, Take care, Melody Stuart Winton <stuart@...> wrote: HelloMy 11 year son has just recently been diagnosed as having a c-toma. He is to have a scan tomorrow (Wednesday 4/6/2003) and a return visit to the consultant later in June. I am concerned at the effects of the operation. I have heard that the op is sometimes unsuccessful and can in fact make matters worse. Can anyone give me any useful information about the operation and its after effects as I feel I may have been misinformed.ThanksStuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2003 Report Share Posted June 3, 2003 Stuart, My 4-year-old daughter was also recently diagnosed with c-toma, and has a CT scan tomorrow. Surgery is scheduled for July 9. So far, I have not heard of a non-surgical treatment for c-toma, and since an untreated c-toma can be very, very serious, it's important to get the c-toma removed. However, it's also important that you be comfortable with and have confidence in your surgeon. Since my daughter's diagnosis, I've seen 3 surgeons, and have settled on one I believe to be the best available to us. I encourage you to seek several opinions, but don't be surprised when they all tell you surgery is the only option. The most important thing is to ASK YOUR QUESTIONS to the doctor. This group is fantastic, but there are also huge differences among the group's experiences - everything from " had one operation and it never came back " to " still working on it after several years. " As for the operation itself, it depends on the severity/size/location of the c-toma as to what the surgery entails. The surgeons I spoke with regarding my daughter all believe they can go in through the ear canal, but they sometimes go in behind the ear. Depending on what's happened inside the ear, they may have to do reconstructive surgery to restore hearing, as c-toma (if left unchecked) will dissolve the hearing bones. There is also very frequently a " second-look " operation, where the surgeon operates again to ensure s/he's gotten the entire c-toma out. This happens between 6 months and a year after the initial surgery, most of the time. If it's any comfort, I also had c-toma as a kid (diagnosed at age 8), and I came through it just fine. Kids are resilient. While I had significant hearing loss (I can't hear conversation without a hearing aid on the affected side), I also have a perfectly normal ear to rely on, and I adapted. Most important to your sanity, keep this in perspective: C-toma is a serious disease, true; but it's already been diagnosed for your son, which is the biggest step. It isn't life-threatening, cancerous, contagious, or disfiguring. You've found an excellent resource here, and there are many more resources to be found (read through the archives of this site, like I did when I joined up in March, and you'll find several informative websites). You're doing the right things; keep doing them. Best of luck to you and your son. -Jeff. ('s dad) Operation Hello My 11 year son has just recently been diagnosed as having a c-toma. He is to have a scan tomorrow (Wednesday 4/6/2003) and a return visit to the consultant later in June. I am concerned at the effects of the operation. I have heard that the op is sometimes unsuccessful and can in fact make matters worse. Can anyone give me any useful information about the operation and its after effects as I feel I may have been misinformed. Thanks Stuart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Xrays: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jvolstad/sets/72157605891117955/ I'm really not looking forward to having a hip replacement. I'm really too busy at work to take time off. Maybe I can have day surgery. LOL. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2008 Report Share Posted July 5, 2008 Jim, If you are really too busy at work, postpone the operation. I was going to have my THR around last Christmas, but I decided to put it off until May 1. I'm now about 9 weeks post-op and I can function at about 90%. I think day surgery is next to impossible. According to my OS and rehab physical therapist, my post-op progress was almost flawless and atypically quick. I was off meds after about 8 days, and off the walker and cane after about 12 days. I have read miraculous tales on this site where people are doing incredibly active things after only a few days. It may be true for 1% of the populace. As I said, my recovery time was probably in the upper 30%. I'm 61 years old, average physical shape, and not overweight. I spent the first 3 nights in the hospital and was more than ready to go home. My wife took about 3 days off from work after that. At 1 week, I could get around and do stuff for myself unaided. To sum up, I think day surgery is untenable. This is major surgery. I could have returned to work at about 3 weeks (part-time) or 4 weeks (6-8 hours/day) of mostly sedentary work. You have to remember, what if you go back to work before then and get really tired? What are you going to do? Lay down on a couch for 2 hours? Good luck. From: Jim Volstad <jvolstad@...> Subject: Operation Joint Replacement Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 5:50 PM Xrays: http://www.flickr. com/photos/ jvolstad/ sets/72157605891 117955/ I'm really not looking forward to having a hip replacement. I'm really too busy at work to take time off. Maybe I can have day surgery. LOL. Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2010 Report Share Posted February 5, 2010 Good luck with your surgery i'm sure it will go much better than you expect. From: ukchicken2 <rachelrowan99@...>cholesteatoma Sent: Fri, February 5, 2010 1:56:09 PMSubject: operation Finally got an operation date of 23rd Feb. Glad to finally have a date, but nervous for the operation. Just hope it all goes smoothly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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