Magnesium

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Hi Gaele, I purchase all my farm supplies from RD1 here in Rotorua. My only concern would be the cost of postage to you in Oz. It might be a lot cheaper for you to trace a source in your area - I'm sure it would be available. All that said if you can't find anything suitable drop me a line and I'll check out my local store and see if they would ship to you and the cost.Cheers, BNZOn 22/11/2009, at 3:37 PM, Gaele Maat wrote: Excellent! I'm in Oz, . Do you have a link so I can buy from them? Thanks, from Gaele. Re: Re: magnesium Our local farmers supply house has magnesium chloride/nigari for approximately $10.00US for 50lbs. By far the cheapest way I've found to buy it and it works just fine as a body spray or internally when mixed with distilled water. Cheers, B NZ On 22/11/2009, at 5:44 AM, Nuss wrote: Just a thought, Japanese natural nigari should work just as well and provide some trace minerals also. It's used to coagulate tofu and is food grade, about $4-$8 a pound, less in bulk. Seems a lot cheaper than any of the health-product oriented "oils" I've seen. You could easily make such an "oil" by heating water, adding the magnesium chloride/nigari to saturation then cooling it. It would cost WAY less than the $29/8oz for some of these magnesium oils... One site that sells nigari says "Nigari is derived from sea water and is the mineral-rich residue that slowly drips off moist sea salt and is then sun-dried." So it's magnesium chloride from seawater, basically seawater with the sodium removed and still retaining all the other trace minerals. Here's a link to the composition of seawater, so you can see the magnesium being at the top. It is in chloride form although they don't say that. http://www.seafriends.org.nz/oceano/seawater.htm Interestingly the same site that sells it also claims "Nigari can also be added to water to make nigarisui, which is popular today in Japan for losing weight, purifying the skin, combating fatigue, stress, insomnia, constipation, colds and hang-overs. To make nigarisui dissolve 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of nigari to 1 liter (33 oz) of natural spring water, shake before drinking." I just hate seeing people getting duped into paying 10x or more what something really should cost, if the manufacturers/sellers weren't just seemingly out for a buck. Ellie

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . I'll let you know...

Gaele, Oz.

Re: Re: magnesium

Our local farmers supply house has magnesium chloride/nigari for approximately $10.00US for 50lbs. By far the cheapest way I've found to buy it and it works just fine as a body spray or internally when mixed with distilled water.

Cheers, B

NZ

On 22/11/2009, at 5:44 AM, Nuss wrote:

Just a thought, Japanese natural nigari should work just as well and provide some trace minerals also. It's used to coagulate tofu and is food grade, about $4-$8 a pound, less in bulk. Seems a lot cheaper than any of the health-product oriented "oils" I've seen. You could easily make such an "oil" by heating water, adding the magnesium chloride/nigari to saturation then cooling it. It would cost WAY less than the $29/8oz for some of these magnesium oils...

One site that sells nigari says "Nigari is derived from sea water and is the mineral-rich residue that slowly drips off moist sea salt and is then sun-dried." So it's magnesium chloride from seawater, basically seawater with the sodium removed and still retaining all the other trace minerals. Here's a link to the composition of seawater, so you can see the magnesium being at the top. It is in chloride form although they don't say that. http://www.seafriends.org.nz/oceano/seawater.htm

Interestingly the same site that sells it also claims "Nigari can also be added to water to make nigarisui, which is popular today in Japan for losing weight, purifying the skin, combating fatigue, stress, insomnia, constipation, colds and hang-overs. To make nigarisui dissolve 1/4 to 1/2 teaspoon of nigari to 1 liter (33 oz) of natural spring water, shake before drinking."

I just hate seeing people getting duped into paying 10x or more what something really should cost, if the manufacturers/sellers weren't just seemingly out for a buck.

Ellie

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Thanks so very much, Bruce. You consistently come up with some very good,

targeted reference sites, really help us cut through the chaff. I'm still

referring back to krispin.com.

Pam H

>

> The liquid is more likely to be mg chloride which is beneficial. and can also

be applied topically - one can raise levels quicker and have the other benefits

explained below:

> Good explanation here;

> http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/

>

> After reading the main page-see the menu.

>

> There is also a good and lengthy explanation of mag chloride here

> http://www.health-science-spirit.com/magnesiumchloride.html

>

> Bruce

>

> Re: magnesium

>

> Can you tell me what the difference would be with the liquid form of

magnesium and the capsules. ..............

> Barbara

>

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Thanks!

From: Nuss <cuarrech@...>iodine Sent: Sat, November 21, 2009 3:50:26 PMSubject: Re: Re: magnesium

If you live in a big enough town you can buy it at Asian food stores. Ask for nigari or lushui (Chinese name). Otherwise there are a ton of places online to get it.

Ellie

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Lee <leecol211 (DOT) com> wrote:

Where do you buy nigari?

[Guest guest]

Yeah, that's for fertilizer, right? Or road de-icing? Is it seawater derived food grade nigari? That is a great price.

 

Ellie

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Barker <rbarker@...> wrote:

 

Our local farmers supply house has magnesium chloride/nigari for approximately $10.00US for 50lbs. By far the cheapest way I've found to buy it and it works just fine as a body spray or internally when mixed with distilled water. 

Cheers,   B

NZ

 

[Guest guest]

>

> Where do you buy nigari?

>

>  

> http://www.naturalimport.com/shop_for_nigari this is where me and friends

buy it....just put a half cup or so in a hot bath and soak for at least 20

minutes...also dilute 50/50 flakes and pure water and put in spray bottle and

spray on skin and rub in...garyc

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" Nigari really took off after 'Omoikkiri Terebi' featured it in the spring

of 2002, presenting it as being high in magnesium, which helps burn off fat

and promotes the excretion of excessive fluids and body waste, " says Tatsuya

Kosaka, head of Nigari Kenkyu-jo (Nigari Research Institute).

" However, " he cautioned, " drinking too much nigari will cause diarrhea,

because the magnesium sulfate in it is also used in laxatives. "

http://www.kameyamado.com/english/nigari_in_the_news.html

When the seawater has been reduced down to less than 1/10th, sodium chloride

begins to crystallize. Finally, small amounts of magnesium sulfate,

magnesium chloride and potassium chloride begin to form crystals. However we

don't let the process go that far, because when sodium chloride

crystallizes, the liquid at this point contains a large number of minerals

such as magnesium chloride, magnesium sulfate and potassium chloride, and is

in fact nigari. Nigari has a distinct bitter taste (the word " nigari " is

related to the Japanese word for bitterness, " nigai " ). In particular

magnesium sulfate gives it the bitter taste.

http://nigarin.wordpress.com/2007/10/25/how-nigari-is-made/

In general, the confusion originates on the correct definition of " nigari',

the traditional name used for the tofu coagulant made from salt water.

Natural extracted nigari is the most traditional and one of the most natural

coagulants for tofu. Extracted from sea water by removing most or all of the

sodium chloride and water, it contains primarily magnesium chloride plus all

the other salts and trace minerals naturally found in sea water, as well as

twigs, sand, plankton, organic matter, etc. if not properly filtered. As

most tofu shops have found natural nigari of questionable purity and

sanitation, most prefer the refined form.

Japanese production of refined nigari continues to be extraction from sea

water, available via two different extraction methods:

1) the ion-exchange process or

2) a method in which sea water is concentrated, filtered, bleached, and

cooked to yield magnesium and natural salt. Most tofu producers in the U.S.

use refined nigari processed according to the second method. Although from

seawater, refined nigari must be classified as a synthetic due to the

bleaching process in its manufacture Food grade magnesium chloride made in

the U.S. is produced from the reaction between hydrochloric acid and

magnesium. It, too, is a synthetic process, albeit very pure, sanitary, and

safe to use. However, since the Japanese source is extracted from sea water,

it appears that it remains " more natural " than U.S. food grade magnesium

chloride.

The Processing, Handling, and Labeling Committee recommends that synthetic

magnesium chloride extracted from sea water (often referred to as " refined

nigari " be added to the National List as an allowed synthetic for use as an

ingredient in organic foods. Natural (unrefined) nigari should be listed as

a prohibited natural on the National List.

Source: National Organic Standards Board final Recommendation to the

Addition of synthetic Magnesium Chloride to National List Date adopted:

October 31, 199

http://www.soy-milk-maker.com/tofucoagulatornigari.html

Bruce

Re: Re: magnesium

Just a thought, Japanese natural nigari should work just as well and provide

some trace minerals also. It's used to coagulate tofu and is food grade,

about $4-$8 a pound, less in bulk. Seems a lot cheaper than any of the

health-product oriented " oils " I've seen. You could easily make such an

" oil " by heating water, adding the magnesium chloride/nigari to saturation

then cooling it. It would cost WAY less than the $29/8oz for some of these

magnesium oils...

One site that sells nigari says " Nigari is derived from sea water and is the

mineral-rich residue that slowly drips off moist sea salt and is then

sun-dried. " So it's magnesium chloride from seawater, basically seawater

with the sodium removed and still retaining all the other trace minerals.

Here's a link to the composition of seawater, so you can see the magnesium

being at the top. It is in chloride form although they don't say that.

http://www.seafriends.org.nz/oceano/seawater.htm

Interestingly the same site that sells it also claims " Nigari can also be

added to water to make nigarisui, which is popular today in Japan for losing

weight, purifying the skin, combating fatigue, stress, insomnia,

constipation, colds and hang-overs. To make nigarisui dissolve 1/4 to 1/2

teaspoon of nigari to 1 liter (33 oz) of natural spring water, shake before

drinking. "

I just hate seeing people getting duped into paying 10x or more what

something really should cost, if the manufacturers/sellers weren't just

seemingly out for a buck.

Ellie

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You're welcome and am glad to help in any way, though I do want to stay on topic with iodine.

http://www.jonbarron.org/baseline-health-program/08-26-2006.php

A treasure with real gold in it.

Bruce

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From: frugalone755

Thanks so very much, Bruce. You consistently come up with some very good, targeted reference sites, really help us cut through the chaff. I'm still referring back to krispin.com.Pam H>> The liquid is more likely to be mg chloride which is beneficial. and can also be applied topically - one can raise levels quicker and have the other benefits explained below:> Good explanation here;> http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/> > After reading the main page-see the menu.> > There is also a good and lengthy explanation of mag chloride here> http://www.health-science-spirit.com/magnesiumchloride.html> > Bruce>

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Bruce,

this is the kind of magnesium oil i have. i was taking mag. made by biogenics

for a year. my dr. happened to check(by the way i was taking 600mg. daily) via

bloodwork and it camin at a 4.4 the normal range is 4.0-6.4. so, i was at the

low rnd even after taking extra mag. that's not counting what is in my

multi-vitamin. i started thinking i had absorption problems(won't go into the

whole story, but the same happened w/mt vitD levels).so i got the mag. oil. i

amstillnot sur HOW much to put on each day to get the right dosage because i am

so low. i do siffer from migraines and they have been really bad. for a very bad

one i sometimes go into my nerologists office and they give me an i.v of

fluids,something for nausea amd magmesium.it usually breaks the migraine. anyway

for migraine people i think it is really important to keep the magnesium levels

up,there is a correlation between low mag. and migraines.

sorry, got off subject.how to get the right dosage?mine is in a little sparay

bottle.i usually do 5 sprays on each arm first thing in the morning, but is that

enough? at least with a pill u can be sure the mg. u are ingesting.but,for

people with absorbtion problems i think the oil is great,any idead how to get

vitD in without doing it pill form?

thanks,

michelle

>

> The liquid is more likely to be mg chloride which is beneficial. and can also

be applied topically - one can raise levels quicker and have the other benefits

explained below:

> Good explanation here;

> http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/

>

> After reading the main page-see the menu.

>

> There is also a good and lengthy explanation of mag chloride here

> http://www.health-science-spirit.com/magnesiumchloride.html

>

> Bruce

>

> Re: magnesium

>

>

>

>

> Can you tell me what the difference would be with the liquid form of

magnesium and the capsules. I triple magnesium complex from Swanson. Is this the

same thing should I be using both?

> I'm taking this for bladder carcinoma along with curcumin, super alfalfa,

selenium, spirulina, NAC, Chinese Chlorella, milk thistle, vitamin D3, Kyolic,

serrapeptase.

> Barbara

>

[Guest guest]

i forgot to mention that for a child u might want to water the oil down a

little.until you get used to it ,it stings a bit,and this might really put a

child off,but i think it wld be a great way to get the mag. into the kid,just

like putting on a little baby oil,or lotion.

michelle

>

> The liquid is more likely to be mg chloride which is beneficial. and can also

be applied topically - one can raise levels quicker and have the other benefits

explained below:

> Good explanation here;

> http://www.magnesiumforlife.com/

>

> After reading the main page-see the menu.

>

> There is also a good and lengthy explanation of mag chloride here

> http://www.health-science-spirit.com/magnesiumchloride.html

>

> Bruce

>

> Re: magnesium

>

>

>

>

> Can you tell me what the difference would be with the liquid form of

magnesium and the capsules. I triple magnesium complex from Swanson. Is this the

same thing should I be using both?

> I'm taking this for bladder carcinoma along with curcumin, super alfalfa,

selenium, spirulina, NAC, Chinese Chlorella, milk thistle, vitamin D3, Kyolic,

serrapeptase.

> Barbara

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone on this thread for the info on nigari. Of course I ran off

and did some research and I found the following link that gives some info on how

nigari is processed.

http://j.b5z.net/i/u/2129859/i/LiquidNigari.pdf

While I realize this is from a website that is touting the method they use to

process their product I was in agreement to the concern that just taking the

magnesium off the sea salt would have a high probability of retaining toxins.

I just wanted to put this out there for consideration. It's one of the reasons I

chose the mag oil since the source is 1500 deep in the earth so the chance for

pollution is less. Although the lack of minerals in Swanson's brand makes it a

no deal for me in the future.

Karin

>

> Our local farmers supply house has magnesium chloride/nigari for

> approximately $10.00US for 50lbs. By far the cheapest way I've found

> to buy it and it works just fine as a body spray or internally when

> mixed with distilled water.

>

> Cheers,

[Guest guest]

It's hard to tell how much one absorbs, perhaps just use more.

Vit D, I use drops from seroyal - d mulsion 1000. search google easy to find.

1,000 iu drop. I take 4-5/day

Bruce

how to get the right dosage?mine is in a little sparay bottle.i usually do 5 sprays on each arm first thing in the morning, but is that enough? at least with a pill u can be sure the mg. u are ingesting.but,for people with absorbtion problems i think the oil is great,any idead how to get vitD in without doing it pill form?thanks,michelle

[Guest guest]

thanks, appreciate the input.

michelle

>

> It's hard to tell how much one absorbs, perhaps just use more.

> Vit D, I use drops from seroyal - d mulsion 1000. search google easy to find.

> 1,000 iu drop. I take 4-5/day

>

> Bruce

>

>

> how to get the right dosage?mine is in a little sparay bottle.i usually do 5

sprays on each arm first thing in the morning, but is that enough? at least with

a pill u can be sure the mg. u are ingesting.but,for people with absorbtion

problems i think the oil is great,any idead how to get vitD in without doing it

pill form?

> thanks,

> michelle

>

[Guest guest]

I think that Mark Sircus says that each spray generally contains about 18mgs of magnesium. I think that if you purchase from Ancient Minerals that would be pretty accurate. Not sure if another mag oil product would be the same or not?

www.magnesiumforlife.com

Best,

Glo

From: <mschreiber3@...>Subject: Re: magnesiumiodine Date: Monday, November 23, 2009, 12:43 PM

thanks, appreciate the input.michelle>> It's hard to tell how much one absorbs, perhaps just use more.> Vit D, I use drops from seroyal - d mulsion 1000. search google easy to find.> 1,000 iu drop. I take 4-5/day> > Bruce> > > how to get the right dosage?mine is in a little sparay bottle.i usually do 5 sprays on each arm first thing in the morning, but is that enough? at least with a pill u can be sure the mg. u are ingesting.but, for people with absorbtion problems i think the oil is great,any idead how to get vitD in without doing it pill form?> thanks,> michelle>

[Guest guest]

It's actually sold for treating farm animals - milking cows etc - hence the large quantity and it's shipped in from Israel.Cheers, BNZOn 23/11/2009, at 7:15 AM, Nuss wrote: Yeah, that's for fertilizer, right? Or road de-icing? Is it seawater derived food grade nigari? That is a great price. Ellie On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Barker <rbarkerclear (DOT) net.nz> wrote: Our local farmers supply house has magnesium chloride/nigari for approximately $10.00US for 50lbs. By far the cheapest way I've found to buy it and it works just fine as a body spray or internally when mixed with distilled water. Cheers, B NZ

[Guest guest]

Hello,

I started using magnesium oil spray, made from food grade Nigiri crystals last

week. I had heard a lot of good things it does for your skin. I've noticed

feeling foggy headed and getting a headache after using the spray. The first

night I used it my mind seemed to run in overdrive and I couldn't sleep at all.

I started out with 8 sprays rubbed into my skin as directed, but have cut it

down to 4 sprays every other day. I don't do it near bedtime anymore and haven't

had

the insomnia but I still get a foggy headed headache after using the spray.

I also had noticed that I get a headache after an epson salt bath.

Does anyone have any ideas why the magnesium seems to be causing this reaction?

Someone suggested it causes an electrolyte imbalance in me, but I try very hard

to eat lots of calcium and potasium rich foods. I know I eat better than many

who don't have a reaction to the spray.

Thanks for any ideas of thoughts!

Judy

[Guest guest]

Nigiri is not magnesium chloride alone, it has mg sulfate as well as other things, so it's likely the sulfate if epson salts does the same (mg sulphate).

I posted on this earlier on nigiri with links

Bruce

Re: magnesium

Hello,I started using magnesium oil spray, made from food grade Nigiri crystals last week. I had heard a lot of good things it does for your skin. I've noticed feeling foggy headed and getting a headache after using the spray. The first night I used it my mind seemed to run in overdrive and I couldn't sleep at all. I started out with 8 sprays rubbed into my skin as directed, but have cut it down to 4 sprays every other day. I don't do it near bedtime anymore and haven't hadthe insomnia but I still get a foggy headed headache after using the spray.I also had noticed that I get a headache after an epson salt bath.Does anyone have any ideas why the magnesium seems to be causing this reaction? Someone suggested it causes an electrolyte imbalance in me, but I try very hardto eat lots of calcium and potasium rich foods. I know I eat better than manywho don't have a reaction to the spray.Thanks for any ideas of thoughts!Judy

[Guest guest]

Before I purchased Ancient Minerals mag oil, I used another brand. I had huge detox reactions from the "other" brand. Since using Ancient Minerals, I do not have those same detoxing issues. My personal belief is that purity of anything you apply to your body is very important.

I spray/apply my mag oil first thing in a.m. after shower and then again at bedtime. Since I began using mag oil, I have substantial improvement in my sleep.

Just my thoughts ..

Best,

Glo

From: laughingpeace <laughingpeace@...>Subject: Re: magnesiumiodine Date: Tuesday, November 24, 2009, 7:34 AM

Hello,I started using magnesium oil spray, made from food grade Nigiri crystals last week. I had heard a lot of good things it does for your skin. I've noticed feeling foggy headed and getting a headache after using the spray. The first night I used it my mind seemed to run in overdrive and I couldn't sleep at all. I started out with 8 sprays rubbed into my skin as directed, but have cut it down to 4 sprays every other day. I don't do it near bedtime anymore and haven't hadthe insomnia but I still get a foggy headed headache after using the spray.I also had noticed that I get a headache after an epson salt bath.Does anyone have any ideas why the magnesium seems to be causing this reaction? Someone suggested it causes an electrolyte imbalance in me, but I try very hardto eat lots of calcium and potasium rich foods. I know I eat better than manywho don't have a reaction to the spray.Thanks for any ideas of

thoughts!Judy

[Guest guest]

Hi Bruce,

Is mg sulfate bad? I went back and looked at the links you gave earlier, but I

don't understand if it's saying it is bad to use, it kind of looks like they are

saying the nigari salts are good for you? I think I might be misunderstanding.

Thanks,

Judy

>

> Nigiri is not magnesium chloride alone, it has mg sulfate as well as other

things, so it's likely the sulfate if epson salts does the same (mg sulphate).

> I posted on this earlier on nigiri with links

>

> Bruce

>

> From: laughingpeace

> Hello,

> I started using magnesium oil spray, made from food grade Nigiri crystals

last week. I had heard a lot of good things it does for your skin. I've noticed

feeling foggy headed and getting a headache after using the spray.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Glory,

If the nigari crystals turn out to be bad to use I will get the Ancient Mineral

mag oil. I was just hoping for a low cost easy to make your own spray.

Thanks,

Judy

>

> Before I purchased Ancient Minerals mag oil, I used another brand.  I had

huge detox reactions from the " other "  brand.  Since using Ancient Minerals, I

do not have those same detoxing issues.  My personal belief is that purity of

anything you apply to your body is very important. 

>  

> I spray/apply my mag oil first thing in a.m. after shower and then again at

bedtime.  Since I began using mag oil, I have substantial improvement in my

sleep. 

[Guest guest]

I'm not saying its bad, just that it isn't magnesium chloride alone is all and to check it out.

Bruce

----- Original Message -----

From: laughingpeace

Hi Bruce,Is mg sulfate bad? I went back and looked at the links you gave earlier, but I don't understand if it's saying it is bad to use, it kind of looks like they are saying the nigari salts are good for you? I think I might be misunderstanding.Thanks,Judy

[Guest guest]

i know there has been lots of talk about magnesium. I know I do need it daily and it does help me but i still struggle a lot and was wondering what are some dosages that you take. I am afraid to take too much oral magnesium. I have not ever taken more than about 1200 mgs. in one day and usually less than that per day but was wondering if anyone takes more and if it can be helpful to take more. I know the more magnesium I take the better i do feel. ofcourse i take it along with calcium and other things also. and we are supposed to separate the calcium and magnesium from when we take our iodine correct? thanks,

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

Can you help me out with a brand-name or website?

I've searched diligently and cannot get plain, farm-use, mag chloride in Oz.

It is possible to buy stuff that costs $249 for 5 kg, but I'm a disability pensioner.

Thwarted, Gaele in Oz.

Re: Re: magnesium

It's actually sold for treating farm animals - milking cows etc - hence the large quantity and it's shipped in from Israel.

Cheers, B

NZ

On 23/11/2009, at 7:15 AM, Nuss wrote:

Yeah, that's for fertilizer, right? Or road de-icing? Is it seawater derived food grade nigari? That is a great price.

Ellie

On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Barker <rbarkerclear (DOT) net.nz> wrote:

Our local farmers supply house has magnesium chloride/nigari for approximately $10.00US for 50lbs. By far the cheapest way I've found to buy it and it works just fine as a body spray or internally when mixed with distilled water.

Cheers, B

NZ

[Guest guest]

Hi Gaele, if you can give me a couple of days I'll see what I can sort out this end and contact you off list if that's ok?Cheers, On 25/11/2009, at 1:22 PM, Gaele Maat wrote: Hi, . Can you help me out with a brand-name or website? I've searched diligently and cannot get plain, farm-use, mag chloride in Oz. It is possible to buy stuff that costs $249 for 5 kg, but I'm a disability pensioner. Thwarted, Gaele in Oz. Re: Re: magnesium It's actually sold for treating farm animals - milking cows etc - hence the large quantity and it's shipped in from Israel. Cheers, B NZ On 23/11/2009, at 7:15 AM, Nuss wrote: Yeah, that's for fertilizer, right? Or road de-icing? Is it seawater derived food grade nigari? That is a great price. Ellie On Sat, Nov 21, 2009 at 8:43 PM, Barker <rbarkerclear (DOT) net.nz> wrote: Our local farmers supply house has magnesium chloride/nigari for approximately $10.00US for 50lbs. By far the cheapest way I've found to buy it and it works just fine as a body spray or internally when mixed with distilled water. Cheers, B NZ

[Guest guest]

I think there is some listed on ebay or there was at one time. Our local farmers supply house has magnesium chloride/nigari for approximately $10.00US for 50lbs. By far the cheapest way I've found to buy it and it works just fine as a body spray or internally when mixed with distilled water. Cheers, B NZ