Whey

[Guest guest]

igf what is it?

[Guest guest]

igf what is it?

[Guest guest]

IGF-1 is a growth hormome. Makes cells multiply more rapidly in

your body. It's found in dairy products naturally but they also

inject cows with artificial growth hormones to make them grow

faster. So if you consume non-organic dairy products you

get a double dose.

Larry

Re: Whey

> igf what is it?

[Guest guest]

IGF-1 is a growth hormome. Makes cells multiply more rapidly in

your body. It's found in dairy products naturally but they also

inject cows with artificial growth hormones to make them grow

faster. So if you consume non-organic dairy products you

get a double dose.

Larry

Re: Whey

> igf what is it?

[Guest guest]

Hi:

Re: Whey

> >

> i would like to know where does glutathione come from, is it in whey,

> and how does it effect cancer. It is hard to find this info.

>

Go to http://www.google.com/ and do a search on glutathione and cancer.

You will find so much info. You may also look up NAC which is a

substance that helps make glutathione in your body. The body makes

glutathione from the amino acids cysteine, glutamic acid, and glycine.

It's a powerful antioxidant that is produced in the liver.

> That sounds like an interesting theory - are there studies that show

> this effect on cancer? I have seen numerous studies re: whey with

> cancer showing benefit rather than detriment.

Again, if the whey contains glutathione that may be very helpful

to a person but it also contains bacteria, proteins from the animal,

IGF-1 and other substances that may be bad for the cancer.

> The link that I posted

> contains some information about it's effect on cancer cell

> glutathione levels. I don't have time to search for more references

> or studies, but they are numerous.

> >

Larry

> > Cheryl

> >

> > "

[Guest guest]

Hi:

Re: Whey

> >

> i would like to know where does glutathione come from, is it in whey,

> and how does it effect cancer. It is hard to find this info.

>

Go to http://www.google.com/ and do a search on glutathione and cancer.

You will find so much info. You may also look up NAC which is a

substance that helps make glutathione in your body. The body makes

glutathione from the amino acids cysteine, glutamic acid, and glycine.

It's a powerful antioxidant that is produced in the liver.

> That sounds like an interesting theory - are there studies that show

> this effect on cancer? I have seen numerous studies re: whey with

> cancer showing benefit rather than detriment.

Again, if the whey contains glutathione that may be very helpful

to a person but it also contains bacteria, proteins from the animal,

IGF-1 and other substances that may be bad for the cancer.

> The link that I posted

> contains some information about it's effect on cancer cell

> glutathione levels. I don't have time to search for more references

> or studies, but they are numerous.

> >

Larry

> > Cheryl

> >

> > "

[Guest guest]

" Sulphur supply in nutrition is provided by sulfates and proteins

containing cysteine. Sulfates effect the suffatation of proteoglycans.

Cysteine in form of reduced glutathione controls an efficient redox

passage of oxygen through protein molecules embedded in phospholipid

membranes.

For a sufficient supply of sulfate to be secured, table salt is replaced

by sea salt. It is also advisable to drink mineral water containing more

sulfate than 1 g/liter. The regular intake of sulfated GAGS, such as

chondroitinsulfate and agar is recommended.

A sufficient supply of glutathione can be obtained by cysteine- and

methionine-containing protein mixtures, which can be obtained by an intake

of low fat curd. Johanna Budwig’s " Muesli " made from low fat curd and linseed

oil is suitable to replace one meal per day12,13. In addition, native whey

products are appropriate in order to maintain a sufficient glutathione level.

Entire article at:

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Continuum/SeriouslySeekingSulphur.htm

Again, showing whey boosts glutathione levels.

As I said, this is up to the individual to determine what is best. There

is conflicting information on just about everything out there. The conflict

makes it more difficult and confusing for a person to help themselves and

easier for the medical and pharmaceutical world to drum up business.

This may be why some experts like Dr. Day at http://www.drday.com/ are

against supplementation and recommend strict diet changes and massive

amounts of juicing and raw foods to get well. They go 100% back to

nature and see results. Some people that use a similar approach are

Dr. Gerson at http://www.gerson.org/ and Malkmus at Hallelujah Acres

http://www.hacres.com/ as well as Hippocrates Institute at

http://www.hippocratesinst.com/ follow similar ideas. You get massive

amounts of nutrition in it's natural form and don't take chances

with all the product claims out there.

Larry

[Guest guest]

" Sulphur supply in nutrition is provided by sulfates and proteins

containing cysteine. Sulfates effect the suffatation of proteoglycans.

Cysteine in form of reduced glutathione controls an efficient redox

passage of oxygen through protein molecules embedded in phospholipid

membranes.

For a sufficient supply of sulfate to be secured, table salt is replaced

by sea salt. It is also advisable to drink mineral water containing more

sulfate than 1 g/liter. The regular intake of sulfated GAGS, such as

chondroitinsulfate and agar is recommended.

A sufficient supply of glutathione can be obtained by cysteine- and

methionine-containing protein mixtures, which can be obtained by an intake

of low fat curd. Johanna Budwig’s " Muesli " made from low fat curd and linseed

oil is suitable to replace one meal per day12,13. In addition, native whey

products are appropriate in order to maintain a sufficient glutathione level.

Entire article at:

http://www.garynull.com/Documents/Continuum/SeriouslySeekingSulphur.htm

Again, showing whey boosts glutathione levels.

As I said, this is up to the individual to determine what is best. There

is conflicting information on just about everything out there. The conflict

makes it more difficult and confusing for a person to help themselves and

easier for the medical and pharmaceutical world to drum up business.

This may be why some experts like Dr. Day at http://www.drday.com/ are

against supplementation and recommend strict diet changes and massive

amounts of juicing and raw foods to get well. They go 100% back to

nature and see results. Some people that use a similar approach are

Dr. Gerson at http://www.gerson.org/ and Malkmus at Hallelujah Acres

http://www.hacres.com/ as well as Hippocrates Institute at

http://www.hippocratesinst.com/ follow similar ideas. You get massive

amounts of nutrition in it's natural form and don't take chances

with all the product claims out there.

Larry

[Guest guest]

To Cheryl's sister with breast cancer:

I am very interested in the Dr.Johanna Budwig's regimen of flax oil and

cottage cheese. I also want to mention Dr. Derry's book " Breast Cancer

and Iodine ( Lugol's Solution), This is another breakthrough. You can reach

him through his e-mail address and he will answer any question -

dderry@... .He has found from his clinical work that Lugol's solution

is effective for polyps. Lugol's solution is a weak solution of iodine-

10% - with a small % of Potassium Iodide. Potassium Iodide is to assist in

the absorption of iodine.

B.

Re: Whey

> Cheryl, I recommend you purchase Dr. Budwig's books for a full explanation

> of her research, which may assist you. Also, For best results, make your

> own cottage cheese/quark from RAW fresh cow's milk from a natural farm. I

> was recently so lucky to become acquainted with a farming couple who have

> grass-fed, unvaccinated healthy, happy cows who sell me a gallon of

> unpasteurized milk for $2. I put it in a pot, add 1 cup of cultured

> buttermilk and the next day a few moments cooking and draining and I have

> cottage cheese. I know that when I started the Budwig diet I felt better

> the first week. I must add, I don't have breast cancer, and if I did,

those

> quotes would have made me nervous as well. There has been posted here in

> the past links to site called, realmilk.com ( I think) that is full of

info

> on the benefits of raw milk , including a milk-cure for cancer. You have

to

> search out both sides of the story, and find out where the info is coming

> from.

> Blessings,

> Virginia

>

>

> At 10:06 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, you wrote:

> >Dear Cheryl,

> >

> >Thank you for you very informative posting on IGF-I and breast cancer.

Must

> >have taken you ages to do all this research. I am now very worried. My

> >sister is fighting breast cancer and she is on the Dr. Budwig diet which

is

> >flaxoil and cottage cheese. Anybody on this forum with any advice

> >please???? On the flaxoil forum there were several diffirent postings on

> >woman with breastcancer on the Budwig diet and doing very well. All and

any

> >comment would be highly appreciated.

> >

> >Cheryl du Toit

> >

> >

> >

> >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

> >Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

> >visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

To Cheryl's sister with breast cancer:

I am very interested in the Dr.Johanna Budwig's regimen of flax oil and

cottage cheese. I also want to mention Dr. Derry's book " Breast Cancer

and Iodine ( Lugol's Solution), This is another breakthrough. You can reach

him through his e-mail address and he will answer any question -

dderry@... .He has found from his clinical work that Lugol's solution

is effective for polyps. Lugol's solution is a weak solution of iodine-

10% - with a small % of Potassium Iodide. Potassium Iodide is to assist in

the absorption of iodine.

B.

Re: Whey

> Cheryl, I recommend you purchase Dr. Budwig's books for a full explanation

> of her research, which may assist you. Also, For best results, make your

> own cottage cheese/quark from RAW fresh cow's milk from a natural farm. I

> was recently so lucky to become acquainted with a farming couple who have

> grass-fed, unvaccinated healthy, happy cows who sell me a gallon of

> unpasteurized milk for $2. I put it in a pot, add 1 cup of cultured

> buttermilk and the next day a few moments cooking and draining and I have

> cottage cheese. I know that when I started the Budwig diet I felt better

> the first week. I must add, I don't have breast cancer, and if I did,

those

> quotes would have made me nervous as well. There has been posted here in

> the past links to site called, realmilk.com ( I think) that is full of

info

> on the benefits of raw milk , including a milk-cure for cancer. You have

to

> search out both sides of the story, and find out where the info is coming

> from.

> Blessings,

> Virginia

>

>

> At 10:06 PM 6/12/2003 +0200, you wrote:

> >Dear Cheryl,

> >

> >Thank you for you very informative posting on IGF-I and breast cancer.

Must

> >have taken you ages to do all this research. I am now very worried. My

> >sister is fighting breast cancer and she is on the Dr. Budwig diet which

is

> >flaxoil and cottage cheese. Anybody on this forum with any advice

> >please???? On the flaxoil forum there were several diffirent postings on

> >woman with breastcancer on the Budwig diet and doing very well. All and

any

> >comment would be highly appreciated.

> >

> >Cheryl du Toit

> >

> >

> >

> >Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there.

> >Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

> >visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

See U.S. Patent 5,888,552 " Anti-cancer therapeutic compositions

containing whey protein concentrate " at

<http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?

Sect1=PTO1 & Sect2=HITOFF & d=PALL & p=1 & u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm & r=1 & f=G & l=

50 & s1=5,888,552.WKU. & OS=PN/5,888,552 & RS=PN/5,888,552>

[Guest guest]

See U.S. Patent 5,888,552 " Anti-cancer therapeutic compositions

containing whey protein concentrate " at

<http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?

Sect1=PTO1 & Sect2=HITOFF & d=PALL & p=1 & u=/netahtml/srchnum.htm & r=1 & f=G & l=

50 & s1=5,888,552.WKU. & OS=PN/5,888,552 & RS=PN/5,888,552>

[Guest guest]

Leave it for Bs - it is derived from milk.

If any O wants to have help developing diabetes, then use it. Just get

egg protein. Much better digested by Os.

Whey

The book says neutral, the website says avoid, but have read here

people are using it, what's the story?

[Guest guest]

Whey has helped many people in this list tremendously.

While it does not help everyone, most people experience

very significant improvement from it. See poll.

I am one of them. Whey saved improved me tremendouly.

Thanks to it I am able to work full time. Yes I have to

lie down for 15 minutes every two hours, but that is

nothing comparatelvely. I take Imuplus.

For $60/ per month from

www.immunesupport.com

Start slowly!

> Just read today about whey and glutathione. Or at least the

> recommendation to take whey; not sure about the rest of it.

>

> Anyway, whey is very easy to make. Besides draining it off of yogurt

> I would recommend making it at home. That way you would be sure of

> getting a completely un-denatured food source.

>

> You would first need a source of raw cow's milk. While this may be

> difficult in varying degrees, it can be done. If you are interested

I

> would be willing to help anyone find a source. The milk is heated

to

> around 90 degrees and then rennet is added. After the milk curdles,

> that is, turns into a solid like flan, the remaining liquid is whey.

> It keeps several months in the refrigerator. Probably freezes well,

> too.

>

> Just 2 weeks ago I ran into the health food store for something, saw

> a book on probiotics, read just the back where they used the word

> probiotics and whey in the same sentence to mean the same thing. I

> already had whey in the refrigerator saved for fermenting veggies or

> such. So I started adding a tablespoon to soup and drinks. Funny,

> tripping across it like this...

>

> anne

[Guest guest]

Anne~

Thank you for your input here!

I wonder if it would be possible to make enough for daily needs indefinitely.

In theory I am really into doing stuff like making yoghurt, but raw cow's milk

used to be available here-until people got sick from it, and they clamped down

on its sale. How can you get it from a distant source? And how be sure it really

was safe?

In practice, if I were well enough to be standing around in the kitchen doing

stuff like that, I probably wouldn't need the whey.:-)

Adrienne

You would first need a source of raw cow's milk. While this may be

difficult in varying degrees, it can be done. If you are interested I

would be willing to help anyone find a source. The milk is heated to

around 90 degrees and then rennet is added. After the milk curdles,

that is, turns into a solid like flan, the remaining liquid is whey.

It keeps several months in the refrigerator. Probably freezes well,

too.

[Guest guest]

> You would first need a source of raw cow's milk. While this may be

> difficult in varying degrees, it can be done. If you are

interested I

> would be willing to help anyone find a source. The milk is heated

to

> around 90 degrees and then rennet is added.

Hi

Wouldn't one be getting some benefits from drinking the raw milk or

from eating cheese made from it? I always buy raw goats milk here

in the UK and have about 1/2 pint a day plus I eat some goats cheese

everyday too.

Pam

[Guest guest]

> Anne~

> Thank you for your input here!

> I wonder if it would be possible to make enough for daily needs

indefinitely.

> In theory I am really into doing stuff like making yoghurt, but

raw cow's milk used to be available here-until people got sick from

it, and they clamped down on its sale. How can you get it from a

distant source? And how be sure it really was safe?

I am very surprised at people getting sick from the milk. I would

want to see good info on that. Anyway, I guess there are no

guarantees. I used to have a farm in Tenn ship frozen milk via 2-day

FedEx to me in Florida. I found this source on a whole foods groups I

belong to. I figure a 2-person farm, drinking their own milk and not

producing enough for 'retail' would be giving a good product. Now I

live next door to them!

From my research I believe the 'dangers' of raw milk are overrated.

Granted, one of the really important issues is how is the cow

raised?? I would NOT get raw milk from a dairy. I would only buy from

a small farmer that allows the cows to roam freely all day except at

milk time. There is a huge difference in how they are raised. The

methods used by modern dairy farmers are what have induced disease

and the need for a plethora of injected chemicals into the cows.

> In practice, if I were well enough to be standing around in the

kitchen doing stuff like that, I probably wouldn't need the whey.:-)

I understand. I didn't make mine! 8P I got it from the farm next

door when she was making cheese. I get energy to do stuff in the

kitchen about once a month. Yes, I think you could make a big batch

at one time. After reading Dr. Cheney's protocol, though, I'm not

sure how much liquid whey equals what he recommends in dry whey.

Regardless, it's an idea if/when the energy and resources are there.

anne

[Guest guest]

> > You would first need a source of raw cow's milk. While this may

be

> > difficult in varying degrees, it can be done. If you are

> interested I

> > would be willing to help anyone find a source. The milk is

heated

> to

> > around 90 degrees and then rennet is added.

>

> Hi

>

> Wouldn't one be getting some benefits from drinking the raw milk or

> from eating cheese made from it? I always buy raw goats milk here

> in the UK and have about 1/2 pint a day plus I eat some goats

cheese

> everyday too.

>

> Pam

I would recommend drinking goats milk before cow's milk as a rule.

Goats milk is lower in protein, naturally homogenous and sans

lactate. There is definite benefit in raw milk, although I believe

having it curdled in some form is more benefial for the internal

flora. Don't ask me how or if goat's milk can be curdled. Haven't

seen it done; cheese is probably the closest thing to it. That said,

I sure love the taste and 'effect' of raw cow milk and cream. It'll

be interesting to see if it's one of my allergy foods.

I know goat milk butter can be made with a cream separator but have

serious questions about the health aspect versus cow milk butter.

Studies by Weston A. Price extolled the value of butter and its " 'X'

Factor " , which I believe is probably lauric acid. Butter and coconut

oil are the only sources in nature of lauric acid; the other source

is mother's milk. You may find it interesting to read up on the

properties of lauric acid at

http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil2.html

anne

[Guest guest]

Hi,

You should be able to curdle goat milk, because people make goat

cheese. I haven't had access to raw goat milk for some time, but

found it very digestable at a time when my system was more fragile.

My personal take on it was that the friendy lactobacteria existing

in the raw goat milk was beneficial, and I'm not really sure that

it's necessary to curdle it to get the benefit from it.

I was successful in making goat milk yogurt, I didn't heat the milk

past room temperature because I didn't want to kill the existing

lactobacteria. The result tasted right but was runnier than store

yogurt.

Here is an article on lactofermentation of foods (as in yogurt) and

how these foods can aid digestion.

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/lacto.html

I've also made beet kvass, it takes very little time, doesn't taste

wonderful, but is a lactofermented beverage/tonic.

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/kvass.htm

" BEET KVASS

Kvass can also be made from beets. The result is not so much

epicurean as medicinal...Folk medicine values beets and beet kvass

for their liver cleansing properties and beet kvass is widely used

in cancer therapy in Europe. Anecdotal reports indicate that beet

kvass is an excellent therapy for chronic fatigue, chemical

sensitivities, allergies and digestive problems. "

I could backchannel the recipe to anyone interested.

Boy, this could go off topic pretty fast, because I suspect there

are several of us here who are into this. But, to the best of our

ability, we've followed this style of diet at home, and have felt

that it is part of our ongoing treatment.

Laurie

[Guest guest]

Trudy-you probably weren't on this list when ImmunePro first hit

the market. I had several phone conversations w/ the ImmunePro

contact person. He was thinking about selling it via MLM, but

several of us told him about NEEDS and he went w/ them. The

directions are to put several ounces of whole milk in a container,

then add five grams (or less, initially) to the milk, then shake

it vigorously for about twenty seconds. Then, let it sit for about

two minutes and drink it on an empty stomach, ostensibly because

it will be absorbed better. Those are the instructions. Water

may be fine, but the taste is nasty. I tried some of the Biochem

in water last nite (because I don't really like milk), and I ended

up adding some heavy whipping cream to the water/whey just so I

could tolerate it. I am not sure if mixing the whey w/ milk is

better from an absorption standpoint.

Mike C. (MLM=multi level marketing)

> Hi everyone,

>

> Could people who are taking whey (it doesn't matter what brand)

please

> tell me if you are taking it with water or milk?

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Kind regards,

> Trudy

[Guest guest]

Trudy,

I take my ImmunePro with room temp distilled water. I guess liquids that are

chilled/cold can mess with the denaturing and make it somewhat less effective,

so I've heard.

Good luck,

Dawn

Whey

Hi everyone,

Could people who are taking whey (it doesn't matter what brand) please

tell me if you are taking it with water or milk?

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,

Trudy

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

water, Trudy.

Adrienne

Whey

Hi everyone,

Could people who are taking whey (it doesn't matter what brand) please

tell me if you are taking it with water or milk?

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,

Trudy

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

discussed here, please consult your doctor.

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike C (and everyone else who responded to my question about how you

take whey -- water or milk),

I feel like I'm in such a dilemma. I know that whey helps me, but right

now I want to concentrate on this leaky gut. They say to treat candida

that you shouldn't have dairy. And yet, like you say, when I just use

water it is nasty. I tried putting my whey in yogurt, but wasn't happy

with that, either.

I don't know about this, but doesn't milk (I use skim) have amino acids,

as well? ...so, wouldn't that be good?

When I take my morning HMS 90, I use 3/4 water and 1/4 juice. Also, I

use 4 oz. of grape juice with my evening supplements.

Will this milk and juice affect my candida cleanses? (My ND does allow

milk on his candida diet, but not juice.)

....oh, it is all so overwhelming! ;-)

Kind regards,

Trudy

Message: 14

Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:33:13 -0000

From: " yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@...>

Subject: Re: Whey

Trudy-you probably weren't on this list when ImmunePro first hit

the market. I had several phone conversations w/ the ImmunePro

contact person. He was thinking about selling it via MLM, but

several of us told him about NEEDS and he went w/ them. The

directions are to put several ounces of whole milk in a container,

then add five grams (or less, initially) to the milk, then shake

it vigorously for about twenty seconds. Then, let it sit for about

two minutes and drink it on an empty stomach, ostensibly because

it will be absorbed better. Those are the instructions. Water

may be fine, but the taste is nasty. I tried some of the Biochem

in water last nite (because I don't really like milk), and I ended

up adding some heavy whipping cream to the water/whey just so I

could tolerate it. I am not sure if mixing the whey w/ milk is

better from an absorption standpoint.

Mike C. (MLM=multi level marketing)

[Guest guest]

Trudy-

The yogurt that I was using until recently was plain but it

had 26 grams of sugar per serving!!! IMO, the best way to take

your whey is to do it w/ water or a minimal amount of whole milk,

followed by water for absorption purposes. I haven't checked my

email today, but if I hear from the Biochem people, I will post.

Mike C.

> Hi Mike C (and everyone else who responded to my question about

how you

> take whey -- water or milk),

>

> I feel like I'm in such a dilemma. I know that whey helps me, but

right

> now I want to concentrate on this leaky gut. They say to treat

candida

> that you shouldn't have dairy. And yet, like you say, when I just

use

> water it is nasty. I tried putting my whey in yogurt, but wasn't

happy

> with that, either.

>

> I don't know about this, but doesn't milk (I use skim) have amino

acids,

> as well? ...so, wouldn't that be good?

>

> When I take my morning HMS 90, I use 3/4 water and 1/4 juice.

Also, I

> use 4 oz. of grape juice with my evening supplements.

>

> Will this milk and juice affect my candida cleanses? <<<snip<<<<

[Guest guest]

> Dear Sue,

I will try to answer a few questions...

The most effective whey proteins for CFS are the Non-denatured ones,

which include Renewpro, Immunepro RX, and The True Whey.

I thought that The True Whey was tastier than others I had tried, but I

do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a smoothie.

Many people have to start with low doses...1/8 teaspoon and work up

gradually...you can herx ..usual dose is 5 grams on Renewpro..10 grams

on True Whey, but some work up to higher doses for improvement.

The purpose of whey is to build GLUTATHIONE...see Rich's messages on

this...also, 's messages on Renewpro.

BW,

Amelia

> I have some questions about Whey. What does it taste like? What do

> you mix it with? How much of it do you have to use daily? Does it

> come in pill form? What does it help? Does it take a while to help

> you? Is it something you have to take indefinitely? Are there some

> people who can't use Whey?

> Thank you! I really appreciate your help!

> Sue B.

>