Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 > > I have some questions about Whey. What does it taste like? What do > you mix it with? How much of it do you have to use daily? Does it > come in pill form? What does it help? Does it take a while to help > you? Is it something you have to take indefinitely? Are there some > people who can't use Whey? > Thank you! I really appreciate your help! > Sue B. > Other people will probably be able to add more info, but here's my .02- Tastes like powdered milk, with a little sweetness. I just scoop mine into my mouth because I've heard that you don't want to take it with anything because stomach acid reduces it's effieciency. People use all different amounts. It comes in powder form. It's basically the same thing as protein shake mix, except it's made differently so the proteins aren't denatured, and the immunoglobulins are intact. It takes a few weeks to start helping. Yes, you have to keep on taking it, at least as long as you are sick and you're body isn't working right. As for dosage, some people say they take several scoops every day. I personally can't, because it loses it's potentcy for me. I alternate days and take a heaping half tsp every other day. There are other people who also report an improvement at first, then a decrease in effectiveness. That's why I alternate days, because one theory is that it causes a buildup of something your body has a hard time processing. I'm not sure that it's really known exactly what causes this, although there are a lot of different theories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 ImuunePro is the best,and it doesn't taste good. You put it in a seeled container, shake real hard and drink it. You can mix it w/ water or milk. If you mix it w/ water, it really tastes bad, milk is a little better. I felt better the first day I took it. Cheney had told me about it in a lecture he gave in 1999. If the whey has any sweeteners in it, don't buy it. Sugars mess up the Ph. It stopped helping after a couple of years, but ImmunePro probably allowed me to continue working and exercise some (very little)/ Mike C (Call NEEDS and they will tell you just what I have.) In , " j mascis " <mascis_j@...> wrote: > > > > > > I have some questions about Whey. What does it taste like? What do > > you mix it with? How much of it do you have to use daily? Does it > > come in pill form? What does it help? Does it take a while to help > > you? Is it something you have to take indefinitely? Are there some > > people who can't use Whey? > > Thank you! I really appreciate your help! > > Sue B. > > > > Other people will probably be able to add more info, but here's my .02- > > Tastes like powdered milk, with a little sweetness. I just scoop mine > into my mouth because I've heard that you don't want to take it with > anything because stomach acid reduces it's effieciency. People use all > different amounts. It comes in powder form. It's basically the same > thing as protein shake mix, except it's made differently so the > proteins aren't denatured, and the immunoglobulins are intact. It takes > a few weeks to start helping. Yes, you have to keep on taking it, at > least as long as you are sick and you're body isn't working right. As > for dosage, some people say they take several scoops every day. I > personally can't, because it loses it's potentcy for me. I alternate > days and take a heaping half tsp every other day. There are other > people who also report an improvement at first, then a decrease in > effectiveness. That's why I alternate days, because one theory is that > it causes a buildup of something your body has a hard time processing. > I'm not sure that it's really known exactly what causes this, although > there are a lot of different theories. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 I > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a smoothie. > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the purpose of having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would certainly taste better with something added, however, I have never done so as I thought that it would cancel out any benefits. Take care. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 I don't know anything about True Whey. But instructions for Immunopro are definitely on totally empty stomach. It is too delicate and will be cancelled out otherwise. It is not even supposed to be mixed hard, such as in a regular blender for same reason. About empty stomach, I think there is slight exeception, such as plain yogurt. The company will tell you if you call them. Katrina > I > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a smoothie. > > > > > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the purpose of > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would certainly > taste better with something added, however, I have never done so as I > thought that it would cancel out any benefits. > > Take care. > > Bernie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Trudy.. the whey my CFS specialist has put me on has no lactose.. no milk sugars in it so hence cant cause lactose intollerence or feed candida hence should be fine for anti candida diets. I assume all whey is the same unless it has sugar added to it. I tried to take whey with milk but that gave me extreme diarrhea, I assume it was taking the milk with it..or added vitamins to the whey or something. Whey is full of amino acids and proteins. > > Hi Mike C (and everyone else who responded to my question about how you > take whey -- water or milk), > > I feel like I'm in such a dilemma. I know that whey helps me, but right > now I want to concentrate on this leaky gut. They say to treat candida > that you shouldn't have dairy. And yet, like you say, when I just use > water it is nasty. I tried putting my whey in yogurt, but wasn't happy > with that, either. > > I don't know about this, but doesn't milk (I use skim) have amino acids, > as well? ...so, wouldn't that be good? > > When I take my morning HMS 90, I use 3/4 water and 1/4 juice. Also, I > use 4 oz. of grape juice with my evening supplements. > > Will this milk and juice affect my candida cleanses? (My ND does allow > milk on his candida diet, but not juice.) > > ...oh, it is all so overwhelming! ;-) > > Kind regards, > Trudy > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 07 May 2005 14:33:13 -0000 > From: " yakcamp22 " <yakcamp22@...> > Subject: Re: Whey > > Trudy-you probably weren't on this list when ImmunePro first hit > the market. I had several phone conversations w/ the ImmunePro > contact person. He was thinking about selling it via MLM, but > several of us told him about NEEDS and he went w/ them. The > directions are to put several ounces of whole milk in a container, > then add five grams (or less, initially) to the milk, then shake > it vigorously for about twenty seconds. Then, let it sit for about > two minutes and drink it on an empty stomach, ostensibly because > it will be absorbed better. Those are the instructions. Water > may be fine, but the taste is nasty. I tried some of the Biochem > in water last nite (because I don't really like milk), and I ended > up adding some heavy whipping cream to the water/whey just so I > could tolerate it. I am not sure if mixing the whey w/ milk is > better from an absorption standpoint. > > Mike C. (MLM=multi level marketing) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 Anything acidic will certainly denature the whey. Adrienne Re: Whey I don't know anything about True Whey. But instructions for Immunopro are definitely on totally empty stomach. It is too delicate and will be cancelled out otherwise. It is not even supposed to be mixed hard, such as in a regular blender for same reason. About empty stomach, I think there is slight exeception, such as plain yogurt. The company will tell you if you call them. Katrina > I > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a smoothie. > > > > > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the purpose of > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would certainly > taste better with something added, however, I have never done so as I > thought that it would cancel out any benefits. > > Take care. > > Bernie > This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 I cannot use or take any whey what so ever it is dangerous for me to use . I have tried ( immunepro) for years on and off and found out I´m have a very bad reation to casein. I get very very sick on it . I now avoid ALL dairy and feel MUCH better. I have followed Dr Twogoods advise about dairy in his book " How To Rid Your Body of Pain " :- http://www.nowheat.com/grfx/nomilk/nomilkbk.htm if you want to try whey then look here ;- Whey-CFS-FMS/ From my experience with whey i would rather use other things rather than any dairy of any form . some peole get so sick very on whey and think they should stick it out and it i is a bad reaction to casein . it can put you to bed for weeks as it does with me . > > I have some questions about Whey. What does it taste like? What do > you mix it with? How much of it do you have to use daily? Does it > come in pill form? What does it help? Does it take a while to help > you? Is it something you have to take indefinitely? Are there some > people who can't use Whey? > Thank you! I really appreciate your help! > Sue B. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the person in charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake it in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix anything else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take it on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's, TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it properly, you won't get the full benefit. Actually, IP doesn't taste all that bad when shaken w/ milk-I couldn't handle just water & IP. It is irritating that you have to order IP from NEEDS or somewhere, I have tried three or four brands from Whole Foods and I still have some, they just don't work as well or at all. Someone else wrote that they can't tolerate IP, I have heard that for the last six years-some people can't, it is unfortunate. Mike C > > I > > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a smoothie. > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the purpose of > > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building > > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would certainly > > taste better with something added, however, I have never done so as I > > thought that it would cancel out any benefits. > > Take care. > > Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > > > I > > > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a > smoothie. > > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the > purpose of > > > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building > > > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would > certainly > > > taste better with something added, however, I have never done so > as I > > > thought that it would cancel out any benefits. > > > Take care. > > > Bernie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 i thought u cld blend it... as long as u didn't blend it too long.... lifelonglearner79 <lifelonglearner79@...> wrote: > > > I > > > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a > smoothie. > > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the > purpose of > > > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building > > > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would > certainly > > > taste better with something added, however, I have never done so > as I > > > thought that it would cancel out any benefits. > > > Take care. > > > Bernie > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Re: Whey When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the person in charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake it in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix anything else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take it on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's, TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it properly, you won't get the full benefit. Actually, IP doesn't taste all that bad when shaken w/ milk-I couldn't handle just water & IP. It is irritating that you have to order IP from NEEDS or somewhere, I have tried three or four brands from Whole Foods and I still have some, they just don't work as well or at all. Someone else wrote that they can't tolerate IP, I have heard that for the last six years-some people can't, it is unfortunate. Mike C Mike, How long should you wait after taking whey protein before you eat? Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Renewpor is much easier to mix and has some sort of mild non-artifical sweetener, Lo Han Guo, as I understand it. I use it, but not sure it helps, because I always am adding a bunch of things. On 12/8/06, yakcamp22 <yakcamp22@...> wrote: > > ImuunePro is the best,and it doesn't taste good. You put it in a > seeled container, shake real hard and drink it. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 That is a great question, Tony. The answer is, wait until you have an empty stomach. I don't know how long it takes the stomach to empty, it depends on how much and what kinds of foods you ate. However, to venture a guess, I would say 3 hours. But, you also want your small intestine to be empty, and my motility is just horrible-so for anyone like me, I would say to drink it first thing in the morning, after 10-12 hours w/out eating. Someone should really call the IP people as they may have new info. since 1999. To answer Bob's question, I would say that *anything* added to pure undenatered whey is bad. You want the whey mixed w/ milk, or if you can stand it, water, to go directly into the small intestine without any interference from anything. I still think IP or Immunocal or the other one that I can't think of is superior to all others at the current time. I wish Carol from the DFW support group would add some info. because I believe she knows more than I do. Mike C. > Re: Whey > > > When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the person in > charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top > two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake it > in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix anything > else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take it > on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's, > TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it > properly, you won't get the full benefit. Actually, IP doesn't taste > all that bad when shaken w/ milk-I couldn't handle just water & IP. > > It is irritating that you have to order IP from NEEDS or somewhere, > I have tried three or four brands from Whole Foods and I still have > some, they just don't work as well or at all. > > Someone else wrote that they can't tolerate IP, I have heard that > for the last six years-some people can't, it is unfortunate. > > Mike C > Mike, > How long should you wait after taking whey protein before you eat? > Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 > > >Directions > Bland one scoop (10 grams) into your favorite cold beverage. Add > ice and blend with fruit or yogurt for a delicious smoothie. <<<<<<<<this is bad>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > The above came from the directions on the bottle of True Whey... > so I thought that was Ok...apparently, it is not. > > Renewpro is suppose to be as good as Immunepro, is it not? <<<<yes, I think it is, but since IP stopped working for me a few years ago, I have been out of the loop. You just don't want any sweeteners or anything added to pure undenatered IP. Some new formulas have been devised so as to make the whey taste better>>>> Mike C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 Well said, and your brevity is excellent. I agree, hence all my recent messages. We should probably stop this thread now, or we will be gently reminded that whey is not a new experimental treatment. Mike C In , " Adrienne G. " <duckblossm@...> wrote: > > Anything acidic will certainly denature the whey. > Adrienne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2006 Report Share Posted December 9, 2006 In a message dated 09/12/2006 23:17:07 GMT Standard Time, yakcamp22@... writes: That is a great question, Tony. The answer is, wait until you have an empty stomach. I don't know how long it takes the stomach to empty, it depends on how much and what kinds of foods you ate. However, to venture a guess, I would say 3 hours. But, you also want your small intestine to be empty, and my motility is just horrible-so for anyone like me, I would say to drink it first thing in the morning, after 10-12 hours w/out eating. Someone should really call the IP people as they may have new info. since 1999. To answer Bob's question, I would say that *anything* added to pure undenatered whey is bad. You want the whey mixed w/ milk, or if you can stand it, water, to go directly into the small intestine without any interference from anything. I still think IP or Immunocal or the other one that I can't think of is superior to all others at the current time. I wish Carol from the DFW support group would add some info. because I believe she knows more than I do. Mike C. *******I have been taking Whey Protein for around 20 months. I blend it with no problems at all. I dont add anything to it except water. I take it on a empty stomach and wait for around 15 minutes before eating anything else. I always eat some fats alongside taking Whey Protein. Regards CS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 10, 2006 Report Share Posted December 10, 2006 I take imuplus with great results, I can not tolerate immunpro at all. > > > I > > > > do add some frozen fruit to the mix with ice, which makes a > smoothie. > > > ***Hi Amelia - Wouldn't adding fruit to the whey defeat the > purpose of > > > having it on an empty stomach as should be done for building > > > glutathione?? Or does it not make any difference? It would > certainly > > > taste better with something added, however, I have never done so > as I > > > thought that it would cancel out any benefits. > > > Take care. > > > Bernie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 11, 2006 Report Share Posted December 11, 2006 That was it, Imuplus. My personal opinion is that Imuplus, Immunocal and ImmunePro are far superior to all the others. Among these three, it is a matter of personal preference and/or cost. Mike C > > > > When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the person > in > > charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top > > two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake it > > in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix > anything > > else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take > it > > on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's, > > TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it > > properly, you won't get the full benefit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 Have any of you folks tried taking pure tyrosine (in hot water, best) or DL-phenylalanine first thing in the morning? What you are doing sounds to me like a strategy to extract the maximum amount of catecholamine precursors (the amino acids above) out of immune-pro or whatever the product you are doing this with. Tyrosine metabolizes into dopamine, and phenylalanine into NE and dopamine, etc. The rate limiting factor is metabolic rate... Tyrosine costs around $40/kilo, last I looked... On 12/11/06, yakcamp22 <yakcamp22@...> wrote: > > That was it, Imuplus. My personal opinion is that Imuplus, Immunocal > and ImmunePro are far superior to all the others. Among these three, > it is a matter of personal preference and/or cost. > > Mike C > > > > > > > > When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the > person > > in > > > charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top > > > two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake > it > > > in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix > > anything > > > else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take > > it > > > on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's, > > > TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it > > > properly, you won't get the full benefit. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 The shaking is merely a strategy to distribute the powder in the water without increasing the temp. Until recently I took the phenylalanine religiously in the morning since the early eighties- and suffered the side-effects all that time and that was the lesser of 2 evils. I could not function at all without it. Hardly a cure, though. I got sicker, overall, over time in spite of it. Adrienne Re: Re: Whey Have any of you folks tried taking pure tyrosine (in hot water, best) or DL-phenylalanine first thing in the morning? What you are doing sounds to me like a strategy to extract the maximum amount of catecholamine precursors (the amino acids above) out of immune-pro or whatever the product you are doing this with. Tyrosine metabolizes into dopamine, and phenylalanine into NE and dopamine, etc. The rate limiting factor is metabolic rate... Tyrosine costs around $40/kilo, last I looked... On 12/11/06, yakcamp22 <yakcamp22@...> wrote: > > That was it, Imuplus. My personal opinion is that Imuplus, Immunocal > and ImmunePro are far superior to all the others. Among these three, > it is a matter of personal preference and/or cost. > > Mike C > > > > > > > > When ImmunePro (IP) first came out in 1999, I talked to the > person > > in > > > charge of determining how it would be distributed-one of the top > > > two or three people in the company. He said definitely, 1)shake > it > > > in a container w/ milk or water, do not blend it, 2)never mix > > anything > > > else into it such as sugar, chocolate or fruit and 3) always take > > it > > > on an empty stomach. If you don't take one of the best whey's, > > > TrueWhey isn't as good, and if you don't ingest it > > > properly, you won't get the full benefit. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2007 Report Share Posted May 21, 2007 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: " kattemayo " > > >> There is a group called >> WHEY-CFS-FM >> > AGAIN, I thank you for that link Katrina! I was able to determine that the Whey I've already purchased is similar to Immunocal (also an isolate), so it's pretty good stuff. After I'm feeling a bit better, I'll probably try adding a bit of ImmunPro .... Liz S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 I just posted on whey previously; both ImmunePro RX and RenewPro give me a headache a few hours after ingestion. I don't know if it's sensitivity to the milk proteins, herxing, or a problem with my detox pathway. In a message dated 05/22/07 1:01:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mmorrison@... writes: And speaking of whey... To those of you who've been using it for awhile, maybe you can answer this question. I just upped my ImmunePro morning dose from 6 grams to 7 grams, and got incredibly sleepy about an hour later. Has anybody else gotten this response to ImmunePro, or is it just a coincidence? Thanks, Marcia on in Salem, Massachusetts ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 And speaking of whey... To those of you who've been using it for awhile, maybe you can answer this question. I just upped my ImmunePro morning dose from 6 grams to 7 grams, and got incredibly sleepy about an hour later. Has anybody else gotten this response to ImmunePro, or is it just a coincidence? Thanks, Marcia on in Salem, Massachusetts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Your post may have brought light to the conundrum of headache triggers with respect to my particular case in which both WHEY and FISH OILS induce headaches: 1) Whey acts as a hypotensive. 2) Fish Oil acts as a hypotensive. 3) Both substances trigger headaches in my case. 4) One of the symtptoms of hypotension is.....HEADACHES! It's a simple linear equation, which may or may not mean anything, so who knows. Any thoughts? In a message dated 05/22/07 7:19:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, starshar@... writes: From: <_nutrimedent@nutrime_ (mailto:nutrimedent@...) > > > I just posted on whey previously; both ImmunePro RX and RenewPro give me a > headache a few hours after ingestion. I don't know if it's sensitivity to the > milk proteins, herxing, or a problem with my detox pathway. > > In a message dated 05/22/07 1:01:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > _mmorrison@..._ (mailto:mmorrison@...) writes: > And speaking of whey... > To those of you who've been using it for awhile, maybe you can answer > this question. I just upped my ImmunePro morning dose from 6 grams to > 7 grams, and got incredibly sleepy about an hour later. Has anybody > else gotten this response to ImmunePro, or is it just a coincidence? -------------------------------------------------------- I've long enjoyed the 'ordinary' whey (usually Designer Protein) for a quick breakfast " protein shake " . I always added other nutritional powders to it....... and I always crashed within several hours. Being obstinate about my easy breakfast, I refused to consider the whey itself as causing the problem, so I kept tweaking all the other ingredients. Nothing helped. I also tried several of the ImmunoPro types, differing brands, and always crashed. Very reluctantly (very thick headedly!), I finally let go of my beloved whey shakes. Then just last week, someone sent me the following article: ** Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP Blood pressure drops with DMV ingredient 16/6/2004 - Hydrolysed whey proteins significantly reduce blood pressure in a small clinical trial, likely by altering multiple cardiovascular disease risk facters, reported researchers at a recent diabetes conference, writes Dominique Patton. Hypertension affects over 80 per cent of diabetics and is one of the primary risk markers for metabolic syndrome. ACE (angiotensin converting enzyme) inhibitors made by drug companies have been found to be beneficial in treating hypertension, particularly in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, and also appear to provide good cardiovascular and renal protection. They do however have side effects. Previous research findings indicate that the bio-active peptides in fermented dairy foods also significantly lower blood pressure and animal data suggests that this may be through inhibiting ACE. A team from the University of Minnesota led by Pins carried out a study to test the effects of an enzymatically prepared hydrolysed whey protein supplement, containing concentrated specific bio-active peptides, on multiple heart disease risk factors, including ACE activity and bradykinin, which increases vascular permeability and dilates blood vessels. The double blind, randomised placebo-controlled trial enrolled 30 generally healthy individuals with mild/moderate hypertension. Participants were randomised to either 20g daily of hydrolysed or unmodified whey protein and were asked to not make lifestyle changes throughout the six-week trial. As previously reported, treatment resulted in a significant reduction in blood pressure levels by the end of the first week of treatment. This effect was maintained throughout the study, reported the researchers at last week's ADA Scientific Sessions . Treatment significantly reduced ACE activity while ACE activity remained mostly unchanged by the control protein. Meanwhile bradykinin was significantly increased by treatment from 35.63.3 pg/mL to 88.76.5 pg/mL but was not significantly changed by the control protein. " In our study, hydrolsed whey proteins significantly reduce BP, likely by altering ACE activity and bradykinin levels, " concluded the team. A 5 mm Hg decrease in blood pressure has been equated with a 16 per cent decrease in heart disease, the leading cause of death globally. _http://nutraingredihttp://nuhttp://nutrainghttp://nuhttp://n_ (http://nutraingredients.com/news-by-health/news.asp?id=52872) June 16, 2004, article by Dominique Patton. " Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP " Article notes that whey supplement more than doubled bradykinin level, lowers BP. ************ One of the very common hallmarks of Chronic Fatigue is low BP, along with arterial dilation. I knew I was prone to both, but never connected my whey induced crashes to this factor, Now, I finally know why whey is not for me. Sharon/starshar ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2007 Report Share Posted May 22, 2007 Your post may have brought light to the conundrum of headache triggers with respect to my particular case in which both WHEY and FISH OILS induce headaches: 1) Whey acts as a hypotensive. 2) Fish Oil acts as a hypotensive. 3) Both substances trigger headaches in my case. 4) One of the symtptoms of hypotension is.....HEADACHES! It's a simple linear equation, which may or may not mean anything, so who knows. Any thoughts? In a message dated 05/22/07 7:19:55 PM Pacific Daylight Time, starshar@... writes: From: <_nutrimedent@nutrime_ (mailto:nutrimedent@...) > > > I just posted on whey previously; both ImmunePro RX and RenewPro give me a > headache a few hours after ingestion. I don't know if it's sensitivity to the > milk proteins, herxing, or a problem with my detox pathway. > > In a message dated 05/22/07 1:01:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > _mmorrison@..._ (mailto:mmorrison@...) writes: > And speaking of whey... > To those of you who've been using it for awhile, maybe you can answer > this question. I just upped my ImmunePro morning dose from 6 grams to > 7 grams, and got incredibly sleepy about an hour later. Has anybody > else gotten this response to ImmunePro, or is it just a coincidence? -------------------------------------------------------- I've long enjoyed the 'ordinary' whey (usually Designer Protein) for a quick breakfast " protein shake " . I always added other nutritional powders to it....... and I always crashed within several hours. Being obstinate about my easy breakfast, I refused to consider the whey itself as causing the problem, so I kept tweaking all the other ingredients. Nothing helped. I also tried several of the ImmunoPro types, differing brands, and always crashed. Very reluctantly (very thick headedly!), I finally let go of my beloved whey shakes. Then just last week, someone sent me the following article: ** Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP Blood pressure drops with DMV ingredient 16/6/2004 - Hydrolysed whey proteins significantly reduce blood pressure in a small clinical trial, likely by altering multiple cardiovascular disease risk facters, reported researchers at a recent diabetes conference, writes Dominique Patton. Hypertension affects over 80 per cent of diabetics and is one of the primary risk markers for metabolic syndrome. ACE (angiotensin converting enzyme) inhibitors made by drug companies have been found to be beneficial in treating hypertension, particularly in patients with type 1 or type 2 diabetes, and also appear to provide good cardiovascular and renal protection. They do however have side effects. Previous research findings indicate that the bio-active peptides in fermented dairy foods also significantly lower blood pressure and animal data suggests that this may be through inhibiting ACE. A team from the University of Minnesota led by Pins carried out a study to test the effects of an enzymatically prepared hydrolysed whey protein supplement, containing concentrated specific bio-active peptides, on multiple heart disease risk factors, including ACE activity and bradykinin, which increases vascular permeability and dilates blood vessels. The double blind, randomised placebo-controlled trial enrolled 30 generally healthy individuals with mild/moderate hypertension. Participants were randomised to either 20g daily of hydrolysed or unmodified whey protein and were asked to not make lifestyle changes throughout the six-week trial. As previously reported, treatment resulted in a significant reduction in blood pressure levels by the end of the first week of treatment. This effect was maintained throughout the study, reported the researchers at last week's ADA Scientific Sessions . Treatment significantly reduced ACE activity while ACE activity remained mostly unchanged by the control protein. Meanwhile bradykinin was significantly increased by treatment from 35.63.3 pg/mL to 88.76.5 pg/mL but was not significantly changed by the control protein. " In our study, hydrolsed whey proteins significantly reduce BP, likely by altering ACE activity and bradykinin levels, " concluded the team. A 5 mm Hg decrease in blood pressure has been equated with a 16 per cent decrease in heart disease, the leading cause of death globally. _http://nutraingredihttp://nuhttp://nutrainghttp://nuhttp://n_ (http://nutraingredients.com/news-by-health/news.asp?id=52872) June 16, 2004, article by Dominique Patton. " Whey protein supplement appears to inhibit ACE, lowers BP " Article notes that whey supplement more than doubled bradykinin level, lowers BP. ************ One of the very common hallmarks of Chronic Fatigue is low BP, along with arterial dilation. I knew I was prone to both, but never connected my whey induced crashes to this factor, Now, I finally know why whey is not for me. Sharon/starshar ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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