Last night

[Guest guest]

Hi sarah

A similar thing has happened to me on more than one occasion. It was

the symptom that sent me to the Drs in a panic which led to a thyroid

test and diagnosis. Actually the doc was screening to see if i was

over-active. It always seems to happen when I have been sleeping and I

can even feel the pounding in my stomach. It can go on for a few hours

before settling down. The last time it happened it co-incided with me

feeling hyper so I was advised to reduce my dose. However six weeks

later a blood test showed I was not taking enough. My theory is that

it could be an anti-body attack. Try not to worry things should settle

down for you.

Love Lizzie

> Something very unpleasant and frightening happened last night, I went

> to bed at 9.30 as I was tired and woke again at 2am. I went to the loo

> and felt the anxiety coming on again and got back into bed, my heart

> then started having a work out, big time, it was beating so hard and

> fast almost like a panic attack, the last time I experienced that was

> when I had just started prozac. I lay there and tried to stay calm and

> breathed slowly, it eventually passed leaving me frightened. Anyone

> know why that might have happened? All I can think is maybe a thyroid

> dump in my blood, but I dont know what an antibody attack feels like so

> dont know really. I surely cant be taking too much T4, only 75mcg at

> the moment

>

[Guest guest]

In my experience of thyroid dump phenomenon, the symptoms do not go

away that quickly, sounds like low cortisol to me.

Mo

>

> Something very unpleasant and frightening happened last night, I went

> to bed at 9.30 as I was tired and woke again at 2am. I went to the

loo

> and felt the anxiety coming on again and got back into bed, my heart

> then started having a work out, big time, it was beating so hard and

> fast almost like a panic attack, the last time I experienced that was

> when I had just started prozac. I lay there and tried to stay calm

and

> breathed slowly, it eventually passed leaving me frightened. Anyone

> know why that might have happened? All I can think is maybe a thyroid

> dump in my blood, but I dont know what an antibody attack feels like

so

> dont know really. I surely cant be taking too much T4, only 75mcg at

> the moment

>

[Guest guest]

I must have had low cortisol for sometime now Mo and havent experienced that for a long time and my cortisol reading was high for the midnight one anyway. But saying that yesterday I was very stressed and upset, well most of the time anyway and got myself in a state and I was anxious too--- On Wed, 17/9/08, Mo Osborne <moosborne@...>

In my experience of thyroid dump phenomenon, the symptoms do not go away that quickly, sounds like low cortisol to me.Mo>> Something very unpleasant and frightening happened last night, I went > to bed at 9.30 as I was tired and woke again at 2am. I went to the loo > and felt the anxiety coming on again and got back into bed, my heart > then started having a work out, big time, it was beating so hard and > fast almost like a panic attack, the last time I experienced that was > when I had just started prozac. I lay there and tried to stay calm and > breathed slowly, it eventually passed leaving me frightened. Anyone > know why that might have happened? All I can think is maybe a thyroid > dump in my blood, but I dont know what an antibody attack feels like so > dont know really. I surely cant be taking too much T4, only 75mcg at > the

moment>

[Guest guest]

,

You wrote:

> ...All I can think is maybe a thyroid

> dump in my blood, but I dont know what an antibody attack feels like so

> dont know really. I surely cant be taking too much T4, only 75mcg at

> the moment

Actually, that is a possibility. One of the characteristics of Hashi's is that

your need (tolerance) for T4 can go up and down unpredictably. You probably

won't " feel " an antibody attack, just the changing euthyroid dose. Some people

have an elevated temperature, but that can be canceled by the usual hypoT

coldness.

As a precaution, I would suggest cutting back the T4 dose to 50 and see if this

problem continues. You might even want to skip one entire dose, just to get the

decrease moving. Get your doctor to confirm this recommendation. Is there any

possibility you miscalculated the dose you took?

Chuck

[Guest guest]

Hi Chuck

I have decided to stop the T4 for a couple of days and restart again at 50, it seems the added cortisone is doing its job and I may infact now not need a very high dose of T4, the experience in the early hours was very frightening, why do things like that always seem to happen at night when we have been sleeping? I have had increased anxiety for a while now and with a faster pulse I need to listen to my body and find out what it needs, easier said than done I know. I didnt miscalculate the dose I took, I def took 75mcg > ...All I can think is maybe a thyroid > dump in my blood, but I dont know what an antibody attack feels like so > dont know really. I surely cant be taking too much T4, only 75mcg at > the momentActually, that is a possibility. One of the characteristics of Hashi's is that your need (tolerance) for T4 can go up and down unpredictably. You probably won't "feel" an antibody attack, just the changing euthyroid dose. Some people have an elevated temperature, but that can be canceled by the usual hypoT coldness.As a precaution, I would suggest cutting back the T4 dose to 50 and see if this problem continues. You might even want to skip one entire dose, just to get the decrease moving. Get your doctor to confirm this recommendation. Is there any possibility you miscalculated the dose you took?Chuck

[Guest guest]

Sounds like You have the Champs attitude to beat these demons...Hope You have

better night tonite my thoughts are with You

--- torpedolynn@... wrote:

From: " torpedolynn " <torpedolynn@...>

bird mites

Subject: Last Night

Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 17:55:42 -0000

Hi all

Tuesday I sprayed down mattresses and box spring with A & H and washed all

beding in that with Borax also. Bleach in the load too. The good brand not the

cheapy. That night had very little attacks. Wednesday night for the first time

sense quiting my blood pressure medicine I had no headache, no depression, and

no axioty attacks. The bugs that got on me mostly felt itchy. This is a first

for me. I have never itched before with this. But in bed the attack was some

biting. Bottoms of my feet. But crawling everywhare. Private parts all orifaces,

including nose, mouth, ears, and eyes. Got so deep in my throat I had to use a

cough drop to kill them and that ruined my chances to go get blood work done. I

have a lab work to be done to check Thyroid and blood iron and some other. I

feel alot calmer even though the attacks have not lessened but do effect me

differently. The crawling use to hurt like little hooks in their legs and the

biting was like a ant bit and also stinging bites. The baby oil I put on makes

them mad and make them bit harder yet I feel like it may be helping. I believe

they are starting to go after my husband because of all the baby oil I have on

and he is more stressed out now worrying about me. Well got to run. Watching a

grandchild at my house. Which I hate. We are going to spend some time outside. I

do not get hit out there. Only once. The kiddie pool was on the grass still damp

from two days ago on the same side of the house that has the rooms most

infested. I grabed the rubber pool and my hand had a swarm climb on and attack.

But have not had any outside episode sense then. That pool is now on the side of

the house empty again, but I wonder if the morning dew is attracking them and

maybe if I grab it again I may get attacked again.

In Light Lynn

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[Guest guest]

It is very likely that if you are being bit that your grandson may be suffering

as well. I know it sounds tough but is there any way that you can keep your

grandkids away from you and your house while you sort this all out? This thing

IS contagious and especially if he is sick and may have a compromised immune

system. It would be wise to have your daughter make other arrangements for the

kids until you are better. Also i started finding alot less bites when i ditched

my mattress and started sleeping on an air mattress.

> >

> > Sounds like You have the Champs attitude to beat these demons...Hope You

have better night tonite my thoughts are with You

>

[Guest guest]

I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year ago. It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them. When we go to there house I make sure I wear "safe clothes and shoes" or sometimes I will bring a brand new pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the things in there. Good luck

From: hollyjane11 <hollyjane11@...>Subject: Re: Last Nightbird mites Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 10:23 AM

It is very likely that if you are being bit that your grandson may be suffering as well. I know it sounds tough but is there any way that you can keep your grandkids away from you and your house while you sort this all out? This thing IS contagious and especially if he is sick and may have a compromised immune system. It would be wise to have your daughter make other arrangements for the kids until you are better. Also i started finding alot less bites when i ditched my mattress and started sleeping on an air mattress.> >> > Sounds like You have the Champs attitude to beat these demons...Hope You have better night tonite my thoughts are with You>

[Guest guest]

Maybe you can work on clearing their house while you are sitting the kids,

hopefully things will work out. I have run the mill with getting reinfected and

it is a nightmare. You can also put your foot down and just say no. My mom did

it with me when she was infected and i wasnt. It was inconvenient for me, but i

got over it. and i DID believe her. I ultimately got infected from her anyways,

but it was accidentally.

> >

> > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year ago. 

It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but it

would kill me more knowing I gave this to them.  When we go to there house I

make sure I wear " safe clothes and shoes " or sometimes I will bring a brand new

pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the

things in there.  Good luck

>

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry to hear of your suffering Lynn. I remember those days. I once fell asleep naked and curled up in my shower stall (after a shower), just so I didn't have to leave the stall and get tormented. But things are much better now. They will be better for you too.

From: torpedolynn <torpedolynn@...>bird mites Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 6:04:18 AMSubject: Re: Last Night

I would love too if I was not so disabled. They leave junk lying around everywhare. It cripples me up to just pick up things laying around so I can walk without falling or use a table so forth and so on. My husband and one of my kids just scrubed down the bedroom. I did not have the money to buy zippered pillow case covers. Nor replace the cheap mattress zippered covers. I got attacked so bad from the mattress and pillows that I am now up. I am very crippled. In alot of pain even though I am medicated. I need some sleep. But they are in my left eye and in my nose. Biting vaginal area. Tonight they seem to be biting very hard, but being overly tired and crippled may have something to do with it. I am tempted to go to a hospital to try and get some sleep. But hospital beds cripple me up. My room smells to strong of s oil soap. I got a little gunho. I wanted the creatures dead. I really thought my scrubing down the room and changing the beding.

Washed it all and got rid of my huge wood bed frame would give me somewhat of a break. Not tonight. Its vengance night from the bugs. I am so tired I want to give up. The Burts Bees and Vicks is barely helping. I did manage to get bug free after a shower this evening. Use Salt for two minutes on whole body. Followed with washing with Sulfa soap. Got clean uncontaminated clothes on went to bed and got this major attack. I need to get back in there and sleep. I have them all over me and they are not biting but crawling. I smeared on some Gold Bond. I feel like I used to many toxins today and feel toxic. Weak and shakee. Having a little trouble breathing. Like all of you I really need this to be over. In Light Lynn> > >> > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year ago. It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them. When we go to there house I make sure I wear "safe clothes and shoes" or sometimes I will bring a brand new pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the things in there. Good luck> >>

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[Guest guest]

Lynn Try some wintergreen alcohol and vinegar half and half spray the bed before

bed and every bite. I would also recommend the MMS spray for you, and baths and

internally. Marie

> > > >

> > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year

ago.  It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but

it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them.  When we go to there house I

make sure I wear " safe clothes and shoes " or sometimes I will bring a brand new

pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the

things in there.  Good luck

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,What worked for me in the beginning for the private areas were Purell Hand Sanitizer and Lavender Baby Oil Gel. The Purell gets really warm so don't be alarmed. This kills them or at least keeps them from crawling and biting, and the Baby Oil Gel keeps them from re entering the area. You can also use the Purell anywhere else for a quick immediate fix. For my sinuses I later discovered a simple solution. The Vicks VapoRub Inhaler. Its a very strong menthol and will run them out of your sinuses. Its also very inexpensive in comparison and small enough to carry with you. For the body, a good lint roller. Use it after each shower to pull off any remaining mites that didn't get washed off. Spray your sheets and pillowcases with the green Menthol Alcohol before bed. Sleep tight dear. Hang in there. I have been where you are now and never in a million years did I ever think the nightmare would end. But it does. Persistance is the key. Don't give up. Love N Hugs coming your way. :)TrlyblestSent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: "torpedolynn" Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 10:04:18 -0000<bird mites >Subject: Re: Last Night I would love too if I was not so disabled. They leave junk lying around everywhare. It cripples me up to just pick up things laying around so I can walk without falling or use a table so forth and so on. My husband and one of my kids just scrubed down the bedroom. I did not have the money to buy zippered pillow case covers. Nor replace the cheap mattress zippered covers. I got attacked so bad from the mattress and pillows that I am now up. I am very crippled. In alot of pain even though I am medicated. I need some sleep. But they are in my left eye and in my nose. Biting vaginal area. Tonight they seem to be biting very hard, but being overly tired and crippled may have something to do with it. I am tempted to go to a hospital to try and get some sleep. But hospital beds cripple me up. My room smells to strong of s oil soap. I got a little gunho. I wanted the creatures dead. I really thought my scrubing down the room and changing the beding. Washed it all and got rid of my huge wood bed frame would give me somewhat of a break. Not tonight. Its vengance night from the bugs. I am so tired I want to give up. The Burts Bees and Vicks is barely helping. I did manage to get bug free after a shower this evening. Use Salt for two minutes on whole body. Followed with washing with Sulfa soap. Got clean uncontaminated clothes on went to bed and got this major attack. I need to get back in there and sleep. I have them all over me and they are not biting but crawling. I smeared on some Gold Bond. I feel like I used to many toxins today and feel toxic. Weak and shakee. Having a little trouble breathing. Like all of you I really need this to be over. In Light Lynn > > > > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year ago.  It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them.  When we go to there house I make sure I wear " safe clothes and shoes " or sometimes I will bring a brand new pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the things in there.  Good luck > > >

[Guest guest]

Lynn,To save money, you may want to try using a lint roller across your sheets, top and bottom, and then spray lightly with the alcohol. That way you are only using one sheet on the lint roller versus almost a whole bottle of alcohol. The alcohol has no residual effect. After it dries it won't kill them. The menthol may keep them at bay though. Just a thought. ((Hugs))TrlyFrom: torpedolynn <torpedolynn@...>Subject: Re: Last Nightbird mites Date: Sunday, September 13, 2009, 4:03 PM

I went and got the Wintergreen alahol. Returned some of my unused cleaning items and used that money to get some pillowcase covers. My family hates the vinager smell so I will skip that part for now. I use to be the bleach queen and than later the vinagar queen. Last night when I would lay down they would bite real hard. But when I got up they hardly bit at all but crawled into places that were annoying. My left eye still is either got something in it or just irrated from it being in there. I sprayed down the bed with the Wintergreen Alcahol. My husband opened the windows. I used most of the bottle. Probably 3/4. The bed does not even feel wet but the fumes are strong. I would not dare spray it before bed. That would Make Rick unhappy and probably the fumes pumped into my lungs by my bi-pap machine would do me in.

I do not have money for now for mms but I am very interested in it. If I leave drops in a saucer in the front seat, back seat, and trunk will the fumes be dangerous? I am a little scared of the mms. Thank you for the encouragement. Doing better. Went back to bed about 4 a.m. and did not nearly have as much of an attack. My husband thinks its the bed sheets from the soap. Arm and Hammer with bleach added and borax soap. He said he had what could be called an attack but he believes its the chemicals and not a bug. He was so mad that I super cleaned my enviroment. He said it better be a bug. He wants me to see the phycoligest. phycoligest or phyciatrist. I get the two mixed up. The one that has the ability to get into your medical and get you examined head to toe including the mind. Something like that.

In Light Lynn

[Guest guest]

Dear Lynn,

This nightmare makes for such a stressful life and it is easy for tempers to flare. It is truly hard on relationships. Even when you and your husband have these episodes, just remember that with time things will get better. You both may need a little space for a while, and it does help to vent to others. I've been in the "battle" for over a year now and although I'm not saying we've won the battle, things are significantly better.

Hang in there - it takes persistence, and it sounds like you're doing that. We don't always know what "it" is and sometimes second guess that it might be the chemicals, and we sure use a lot of those even though many try to stick to natural as much as possible. One suggestion might be to rinse your laundry twice to remove the possibility of a reaction to the detergents, etc.

.... Judy

Re: Last Night

Thank you for the encouragment. Are you one of the few who has won the battle? I just hope my husband working with me does not come to an end. That is one of my fears. He does put the breaks on here and there and I know I will never get the battle won if I don't find away around some of his breaks. He gets made about having to do this and that, but he says he is not mad at me. But it makes him unpleasant to be around and makes me jumpy. His comback is he is stressed too and thats his was of letting it out and he has to put up with the way I vent. Scared and cleaning all the time. Spraying this or that all the time. Laundry in bags. He is not looking forward to having to deal with zippered bags in dressers for his laundry. He is my best freind and my one and only true love. But I feel a danger of damage to the relationship if one day he has had enough and if he were to demand I go another route. Mentally and medically were talking. He wants proof that there is a dam bug. Excuse my language please. When he was attacked last night he said it was the laundry soap. Which is also in our clothes, but he did not feel an attack wharing his clothes. When I tried to tell him why it was not the laundry soap he got irritated that I would not consider his conclusion and started to stop me from finishing what I was trying to explain. He did not want to hear a big explanation. Than when I striped the bed to give a light spray to each sheet of Wintergreen he got exasperated and said. Where stripping the bed again. I said no you get out of here I am doing this. He got bad that I simi ordered him out and I told him I was not mad at him. I just could not deal with his negative additude and would rather do the work myself. His comments sound directed at me, but he says they are just comments of the situation. Then while I am in there wrestling with things I hurt my self and growled an angry growl and he said from the other room; If you don't want to listen to me do I have to listen to you.Now hes acting all grumpy and avoiding me because hes mad that I did not want to listen to his pissy attitude while trying to fix my enviroment.I want to run away from all this. I don't need my husband to be pissy all the time while I am trying to stay level headed and work this out. I almost wish he was the one with the serious part of the problem. Because I know I would not be pissy while trying to help him overcome his ordeal.In Light Lynn> > > >> > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year ago. It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them. When we go to there house I make sure I wear "safe clothes and shoes" or sometimes I will bring a brand new pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the things in there. Good luck> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynn,My experience is that people You are living with don't get it for the

most.I had to accept that my daughter was and is in constant denial.My partner

is more supportive but it has been a struggle and I too am very in love wiht

Him,Also for me sometimes I don't think it makes one feel too attractive having

these bites etc.,but to my surprise everything worked out....sometimes I feel

asking God for help is what has worked,sometimes when I am cleaning and working

on the enviroment I need to feel it's not me against these demons because the

cleaning thing can be very stressy..It is hard but I think it will get better

for You. Rose

--- jreynolds009@... wrote:

From: " Judy Reynolds " <jreynolds009@...>

<bird mites >

Subject: Re: Re: Last Night

Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2009 21:39:19 -0500

Dear Lynn,

This nightmare makes for such a stressful life and it is easy for tempers to

flare. It is truly hard on relationships. Even when you and your husband have

these episodes, just remember that with time things will get better. You both

may need a little space for a while, and it does help to vent to others. I've

been in the " battle " for over a year now and although I'm not saying we've won

the battle, things are significantly better.

Hang in there - it takes persistence, and it sounds like you're doing that. We

don't always know what " it " is and sometimes second guess that it might be the

chemicals, and we sure use a lot of those even though many try to stick to

natural as much as possible. One suggestion might be to rinse your laundry

twice to remove the possibility of a reaction to the detergents, etc.

.... Judy

Re: Last Night

Thank you for the encouragment. Are you one of the few who has won the

battle? I just hope my husband working with me does not come to an end. That is

one of my fears. He does put the breaks on here and there and I know I will

never get the battle won if I don't find away around some of his breaks. He gets

made about having to do this and that, but he says he is not mad at me. But it

makes him unpleasant to be around and makes me jumpy. His comback is he is

stressed too and thats his was of letting it out and he has to put up with the

way I vent. Scared and cleaning all the time. Spraying this or that all the

time. Laundry in bags. He is not looking forward to having to deal with zippered

bags in dressers for his laundry. He is my best freind and my one and only true

love. But I feel a danger of damage to the relationship if one day he has had

enough and if he were to demand I go another route. Mentally and medically were

talking. He wants proof that there is a dam bug. Excuse my language please.

When he was attacked last night he said it was the laundry soap. Which is also

in our clothes, but he did not feel an attack wharing his clothes. When I tried

to tell him why it was not the laundry soap he got irritated that I would not

consider his conclusion and started to stop me from finishing what I was trying

to explain. He did not want to hear a big explanation. Than when I striped the

bed to give a light spray to each sheet of Wintergreen he got exasperated and

said. Where stripping the bed again. I said no you get out of here I am doing

this. He got bad that I simi ordered him out and I told him I was not mad at

him. I just could not deal with his negative additude and would rather do the

work myself. His comments sound directed at me, but he says they are just

comments of the situation. Then while I am in there wrestling with things I hurt

my self and growled an angry growl and he said from the other room; If you don't

want to listen to me do I have to listen to you.

Now hes acting all grumpy and avoiding me because hes mad that I did not want

to listen to his pissy attitude while trying to fix my enviroment.

I want to run away from all this. I don't need my husband to be pissy all the

time while I am trying to stay level headed and work this out. I almost wish he

was the one with the serious part of the problem. Because I know I would not be

pissy while trying to help him overcome his ordeal.

In Light Lynn

> > > >

> > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year

ago. It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but

it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them. When we go to there house I

make sure I wear " safe clothes and shoes " or sometimes I will bring a brand new

pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the

things in there. Good luck

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

> >

> > Hi Lynn,My experience is that people You are living with don't get it for

the most.I had to accept that my daughter was and is in constant denial.My

partner is more supportive but it has been a struggle and I too am very in love

wiht Him,Also for me sometimes I don't think it makes one feel too attractive

having these bites etc.,but to my surprise everything worked out....sometimes I

feel asking God for help is what has worked,sometimes when I am cleaning and

working on the enviroment I need to feel it's not me against these demons

because the cleaning thing can be very stressy..It is hard but I think it will

get better for You. Rose

>I know how you feel. My wonderful loving spouse is terribly farsighted and can

not see the offending mites I cry over every day. He feels I have a phycological

problem and am scratching out of mental anguish. So many times I have brought

specimens for him to see. I even purchased a microscope in hopes a slide mounted

mite would help.He basically refused to even try looking. I know I am right, I

have lived with these 'roomates' for 18 months now and feel I could write a very

good thesis on the developement and habits of said bugs. Thankfully I was

blessed with an RN for a Mother an am not willing to crater to the

'straightjacket' cure. God bless you. Don't ever give up! Littlescreechowl

[Guest guest]

Has anybody ever mentioned to you that these things don't like vibration? Penny

(over at finding1cure) has a vibrating neck pillow

she keeps on the bad at night that helps keep them out of the bed.

Maybe then you can get some rest.

I remember when this first started for me, and I would go to bed and

have them crawling in my ears and up my nose, it was pretty horrible,

but it does get better. I used to dust my sheets and pillow with Gold

Bond and sometimes mixed a little DE into it.

Most of that went away when I started washing everything with Borax and drying

with Bounce Dryer sheets (which they hate) I would then take used dryer sheets

and put them in the pillow between the pillow and the pillowcase to keep them

away from my head.

Lets see what else did I do in the bedroom.......I took the bed ruffle off the

bed so the would have a hard time coming from the floor. I also washed the walls

from floor to head height with borax (my walls are white so this was not a

problem) to keep them from climbing up the walls, pulled the bed away from the

wall and coated the bed legs with vicks vaporub. I also of course, didn't allow

anyone on the bed after it had been cleaned, unless they were fresh from the

shower. That way once the bed is clean, it stays that way for awhile.

Sorry for the long note, but you sounded miserable and I want to help if I could

in some small way.

aka Save

> > > >

> > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year

ago.  It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but

it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them.  When we go to there house I

make sure I wear " safe clothes and shoes " or sometimes I will bring a brand new

pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the

things in there.  Good luck

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

-

This is probably inappropriate for me to ask, but didn't Penny say we'd all be

" healed " when HDTV went into effect? Has she amended that theory now that it

has been in effect for some months now?

Bessie

> > > > >

> > > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year

ago.  It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but

it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them.  When we go to there house I

make sure I wear " safe clothes and shoes " or sometimes I will bring a brand new

pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the

things in there.  Good luck

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bessie,

LOL, I haven't heard her mention it in awhile. I always thought that it probably

would not work the way she thought it would. I have a Degree in electronics and

while the frequency coming from a HDTV might be strong enough to cause some

reaction (similar to Rife Machine), a frequency transmitted via the airwaves

(like a tv broadcast) would not be very strong. It might actually work like she

says, but I think it would take a long time. Perhaps the way to verify that it

works would be to find the broadcast tower in your local area, and get as close

to it as you can.....and see if it causes any reaction??

Thanks to all who have responded so far, keep them coming if you can.

I have a list of things to try now, but you never know...the thing that is so

frustrating about this condition is that is custom to the person who has it. So

what works for one does not work for all.

I think that's because this " thing " attracts different parasites to us that take

up residence and each brings it's own set of illness and problems. I used to

like to garden, but now you won't catch me outside playing in the soil. Until I

can cure the fungus (or whatever it is) that causes the attraction and enables

these parasites to bypass our natural defenses, I will isolate myself from

Nature as much as I can.

To my mind, curing the " attraction " is the key to the cure. Once you don't

attract them anymore, then you have a shot at purging them from your body and

you don't have to kill yourself cleaning your enviroment.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year

ago.  It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but

it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them.  When we go to there house I

make sure I wear " safe clothes and shoes " or sometimes I will bring a brand new

pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the

things in there.  Good luck

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You are so right when you state that you must clear

the attraction that you have to these things.

I used the MMS a lot this past weekend (I have until

Sept. 24th to be completely rid of them! It is my goal

to celebrate being completely free on them on my

1 year anniversary of this nightmare. I am very

confident and certain that they will no longer be part

of my life.)

So far since using the MMS, my vision is so incredibly

clear, my skin is doing great, the mites barely like me, and

my hair is starting to grow back in. I have been using

Rogaine for years, as my hair has been thinning terribly.

Since this nightmare, it has gotten so much worse. You

could see my scalp so easily. Well, I noticed last Thurs.

that it didn't seem to be as obvious when I was looking in

the mirror. This weekend I kept rubbing my head and,

I could feel all of this new growth (it felt like touching

someone's head who had a brush cut). Needless

to say this new hair growth makes me extremely happy,

but so does the clear vision and becoming mite free.

I went to work today, and I had the best day that I have had

so far at the office. It wasn't until toward the end of the day

that I could feel them in my hair. I had one little tiny bite/hive

on my wrist.

I didn't take any MMS at work today, as I felt slightly nauseated,

so I figured I would slow down until that feeling went away. My

mouth also has a metallic taste, and it is extremely dry. I've been

chewing gum, and using some hard candies to get past this.

I came home and took some MMS an hour ago, and I wanted to take

more an hour later, but I think my body is telling me to hold off.

They say that if you wait an hour between doses, it really does a

number on them. You just don't want to make yourself feel sick, and

if you do it is only because there is a lot of die off happening, and your

body cannot get rid of all of it on it's own, so hence the nausea and or

diarrhea. I have been a little gassy lately too, but I'm sure it's

from the results of the MMS killing off all of the pathogens that have

been living in my body. Jim Humble states many times to slow down

on the amount of drops if you start feeling sick. He said there is no

reason to feel sick, but it is good to keep at, but try to stay just under

the sick feeling. I think I need to slow down a bit, I tend to get a little

over zealous when things start going well.

I can't say enough about how impressed I am with the results that I have

been seeing by taking the MMS. It sounds so complicated, but it

really isn't. I stayed away from it, because it sounded rather scary

and complicated to me. Then after watching

the interview with Jim Humble, and then doing some reading on his website,

I felt comfortable giving this a try. I recommend that everyone buy

his book to read. It explains things very well, from how

he stumbled upon how well this cured people from Malaria in 4 hours,

to everything else that it has helped people become cured of. He

has been working with this for many years now, and has never had anyone

die from using MMS. BUT, the Pharmaceutical companies have people dying

from their drugs every day. MMS is not a drug, it is a supplement.

This man is truly a very special human being, and his goal is to help people to

become healthy. He is disgusted with how the government, and

pharmaceutical companies withhold the truth, and the way they treat

people. They are money hungry, and that is their bottom line.

It's very sad to see that you can actually get away with murder

if you have the money.

I am honestly sick of the taste of the MMS, but I will not stop

taking it until I am home free, and then I will always stay on a

maintenance dose.

I'm more than happy to have a phone conversation with you or

anyone for that matter. If I wasn't seeing such great results,

I would just sit back and only read the post.

I'll be back to post on Sept. 24th, so I can honestly tell all

of you that I am completely mite free.

Sincerely,

Sue L.

Bessie,LOL, I haven't heard her mention it in awhile. I always thought that it probably would not work the way she thought it would. I have a Degree in electronics and while the frequency coming from a HDTV might be strong enough to cause some reaction (similar to Rife Machine), a frequency transmitted via the airwaves (like a tv broadcast) would not be very strong. It might actually work like she says, but I think it would take a long time. Perhaps the way to verify that it works would be to find the broadcast tower in your local area, and get as close to it as you can.....and see if it causes any reaction??Thanks to all who have responded so far, keep them coming if you can.I have a list of things to try now, but you never know...the thing that is so frustrating about this condition is that is custom to the person who has it. So what works for one does not work for all.I think that's because this "thing" attracts different parasites to us that take up residence and each brings it's own set of illness and problems. I used to like to garden, but now you won't catch me outside playing in the soil. Until I can cure the fungus (or whatever it is) that causes the attraction and enables these parasites to bypass our natural defenses, I will isolate myself from Nature as much as I can.To my mind, curing the "attraction" is the key to the cure. Once you don't attract them anymore, then you have a shot at purging them from your body and you don't have to kill yourself cleaning your enviroment.> > > > > >> > > > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year ago. It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them. When we go to there house I make sure I wear "safe clothes and shoes" or sometimes I will bring a brand new pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the things in there. Good luck> > > > >> > > >> > >> >>

[Guest guest]

" Torpedolynn " , my biggest obstacle has been my teenagers. I know they have it

and have seen them scratching, but they are not bothered anywhere near as bad as

me!!! They won't do treatments and have done little to help me. It hurts and

angers me because they can surely see my agony and sores. Teenagers!!! (

> > > >

> > > > I agree, no one has been to my house since this thing started a year

ago.  It kills me not to be able to have my kids and grandkids at my house but

it would kill me more knowing I gave this to them.  When we go to there house I

make sure I wear " safe clothes and shoes " or sometimes I will bring a brand new

pair of socks and wear those on my feet if I have driven my car which has the

things in there.  Good luck

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'M WORKING ON THE TEENAGERS HELPING ME!!! THANKS FOR THE TIPS. HMMM... MUST TRY

SNEAKY TATICS... HERE'S MY MMS2 UPDATE: 4TH DOSE-NO ILL EFFECTS! FEEL

STRANGELY ENERGETIC AND HAVE DECREASED APPETITE (I NEED TO LOSE A FEW LBS.

ANYWAY) ANYONE ELSE HAVE EITHER OF THESE? I HOPE AND PRAY FOR A CURE!!!!

THANKS!!!

> >

> > " Torpedolynn " , my biggest obstacle has been my teenagers. I know they have

it and have seen them scratching, but they are not bothered anywhere near as bad

as me!!! They won't do treatments and have done little to help me. It hurts

and angers me because they can surely see my agony and sores. Teenagers!!! (

>

[Guest guest]

Yes decreased appetite the MMS2 more than the MMS1 for me. Energy is something I

have more of now than for years. Good Luck with the sneaky tactics for

teenagers.

> > >

> > > " Torpedolynn " , my biggest obstacle has been my teenagers. I know they

have it and have seen them scratching, but they are not bothered anywhere near

as bad as me!!! They won't do treatments and have done little to help me. It

hurts and angers me because they can surely see my agony and sores.

Teenagers!!! (

> >

>

[Guest guest]

M.,

Have a question for you re: MMS.

Decided to really get into using it (MMS1)lately. Was afraid to do so since I

bought the stuff a while back. Was just taking minimal dosages at night to help

me sleep.

Lately, the color of the mixture, after being combined with the citric acid,

seems more yellow than before. Other than that, it's the same taste.

Judging by the color, do you think the stuff's gone bad? Also, would yo,

personally, recommend using the MMS2, as opposed to the MMS1?

Thanks,

D.

> > > >

> > > > " Torpedolynn " , my biggest obstacle has been my teenagers. I know they

have it and have seen them scratching, but they are not bothered anywhere near

as bad as me!!! They won't do treatments and have done little to help me. It

hurts and angers me because they can surely see my agony and sores.

Teenagers!!! (

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

D it is fine even if it looks more yellow, if the MMS1 before activated is

cloudy it should be disposed, very rare MMS1 if refrigerated will last almost a

year, you should refrigerate the citric acid to. I feel the MMS2 is for short

protocols and should be viewed as a antibiotic meaning take the 3 to 4 week

protocol then take the MMS1 for maintenance. I would also replace friendly

bacteria meaning probotics with MMS2. Here is the 3 week protocol. My last week

this week for the protocol then maintenance and I feel great!!! MMS1 kills virus

pathogen parasites ect MMS2 turns to hypochlorous acid which the immune system

uses to fight killer cells and disease. Good Luck. M

Aids Protocol

So enter MMS2. When taken with MMS1, the two together have produced negative

blood test readings (basically that means cured) in quite a few HIV cases so

far. In fact, all of the cases receiving both MMS1 and 2 have checked negative

(free from HIV). We don't have thousands of cases so far and we will produce the

necessary case studies when the Foundation and Institute for Advanced MMS

Studies is funded. But just to give you an idea, the protocol for HIV has been:

three activated drops of MMS1 each hour for at least 8 hours during the day,

plus one size zero capsule of MMS2 taken every two hours for eight hours per day

- all done continuously for three weeks, then we submit blood to the testing

lab. Oh yes, at first drink 2 glasses of water with the MMS2 capsule and then

always one full glass of water thereafter with each capsule.

Never make yourself sick, always reduce your intake of both MMS1 and 2 if you

notice it is making you more sick than you already are. We have also had some

fantastic results with cancers using MMS2. Also for the new flu now going

around, use this same protocol for this flu, but not for three weeks, do it

until well. Some people will be well in 8 hours and some will take a week or

two. Be especially careful to reduce all the way to zero if it seems that the

MMS is making you feel worse. But start again very soon.

If you feel worse, that's caused by killing the disease so rapidly that it

generates too much poison too fast. Go slower. If you don't have MMS1 still use

MMS2. I have seen enough people cured of enough diseases to believe that if you

only have MMS2 it will do the job. Use it in a capsule once an hour. Increase

the amount if you can, decrease if you feel worse. You can use it with any

medication. The medication does not hurt MMS2 and MMS2 doesn't harm the

medication.

MAINTENANCE

http://jimhumble.biz/biz-maintenance.htm

Many people do not understand the importance of taking maintenance doses of MMS

every day or at least twice a week. Most people interested in detoxifying the

body realize by now that new diseases have come on the scene in the past 50

years and they are not natural diseases.

Nature hasn't invented any new diseases, they have all been invented by man. I'm

talking about HIV/AIDS, lyme disease, morgellons disease, hepatitis C, and a

whole host of other diseases that the human race is now facing. Millions upon

millions of people are suffering and dying from diseases created by man.

Some of these diseases are transmitted by personal contact or sex, but others

are spread by mechanisms that are not yet understood. Especially lyme disease

and morgellons diseases are transmitted by unknown means. Yes, ticks are one

source of the lyme disease, but I have talked to many who have lyme disease who

never got near a tick.

And there are thousands who have " Morgellons " disease who have no idea where it

came from. And guess what. Medical doctors can't tell you where cancer comes

from. Oh, they have a lot of ideas that you cannot catch cancer, but all the

guys who said that cancer was cause by a microorganism have been either killed

or persecuted until they were dead or imprisoned.

Then there is the flu. Every year thousands of older people and young people die

from the flu. So, the point being that a tremendous amount of diseases are out

there where you are, and everyone is at risk.

MMS maintenance doses and can reduce your risk by a very large amount, maybe as

much as 95%. MMS supercharges your immune system by providing a chemical that

the immune systems needs to kill various pathogens.

Assuming you have " graduated " from the body cleansing process in which you took

more and more drops of activated MMS (morning and night) up to a maximum of 15

drops morning and night - holding that level for five to seven days, then in

most cases you are probably quite well cleared of body toxins, poisons, heavy

metals, yeast, and fungus.

Having achieved that 15 drop level - and understanding that you may or may not

get to that level in one month due to temporary diarrhea or temporary nausea

barriers, after graduation, you should drop back to a lower maintenance dosage.

One example might be one eight-drop dose on Monday and Thursday mornings at 6

am, then breakfast at 8 am, thus achieving maximum Cl02 benefits.

Another example might be taking a six-drop dose every morning, except Saturday

and Sunday.

One factor to consider is that MMS doses at almost any level are one of the best

cancer preventatives. It seems certain now that that cancer is caused by a

morphing microbe that gets inside a normal cell after circulating by blood to

its resting place. That microbe would never find a hosting place among your

cells if even a little MMS was circulating as often as possible. A small amount

taken frequently might prevent the formation and development of cancer.

By the time a person is diagnosed with cancer, he or she may already have

millions of cancer cells before most cancer tests come back with proof.

Therefore it's far better to take preventative actions.

We know that sunlight and vitamin D is a critical requirement - so don't neglect

it - this is one of many cancer prevention options.

We know there are a few human cultures (populations) that have no cancer cases

at all - and their diets have huge amounts of Vitamin B17, so don't neglect that

as a possible preventative action.

We know that if sugar and sugar-forming foods could be almost eliminated (even

the carbohydrates) then cancer cells will die because they live and reproduce

wildly by consuming sugar - either from the blood or from surrounding tissues.

So, reduce your intake of sugar, high fructose corn syrup sweeteners, and foods

that convert to sugar (potato chips, French Fries - as another cancer prevention

action.

We know that in many or most cases a microbe converts normal cells into

cancerous cells. We have 50 years of proof that Cl02 kills all known microbes

and bacteria. So don't neglect MMS. MMS maintenance mode will assist greatly in

the prevention of microbial spreading of cancer, so don't neglect it. MMS is

possibly the best disease preventative in the world. So, a disciplined MMS

maintenance schedule should be established.

I hope you are never diagnosed with cancer. Those who get that bad news are

immediately worth $80,000 to $200,000 dollars to the drug stores, pharmaceutical

companies, doctors, nurses, surgeons, radiation specialists, post-operation care

providers, and insurance companies. And without MMS awareness, that costly

process is sometimes repeated two or three times - if cancer re-occurs again and

again.

You have a very serious reason to establish one or another schedule of periodic

MMS doses. Compare two cents per dose to the costs above. At two cents per dose

you may be able to completely avoid the terrifying CANCER word in your home or

family.

Some people just " play around " with MMS. They wait for a toothache to happen,

then brush their teeth with MMS - after the problem has arrived. MMS will

usually stop a toothache almost immediately. But don't wait until you feel a

lump, or a growth, or a tumor, or a swollen gland and (too late) remember that

maybe MMS will help it. Your tumor may grow faster than MMS can nibble away at

it. Then you will expect the MIRACLE mineral solution to work a miracle. And it

often does - unless you wake up too late.

Cancers and tumors can probably be prevented and eliminated entirely from

countries and nations - if after full body cleansing, people establish and maint