depressed

[Guest guest]

--- Kit Keyes <kit.keyes@...> wrote:

> Who knows what your reaction might have been if you

were measured at mid-30's when you started?

That's it!!! I'm going to tell myself that the first

reading was wrong, and it was really in the mid 30s,

how does 34% sound? And so I can convince myself that

I've lost 6.4%!

That would be Start:

203#, 34%...133 lean, 70 fat

End:

189# 27.6%...137 lean, 52 fat.

A loss of 18# of fat and a gain of four pounds of

muscle. That does not sound to unreasonable, and would

go along with the change in size that I am

experiencing.

LOL...I will just convince myself that is the truth.

Thanks for all your supportive posts; it helps a lot

when things are not looking the way I want them to.

Barbara

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Yes Barbara, I really do hear what your saying. I remember when you posted those numbers and I did some math on it, because at the time it seemed as if you'd have to lose muscle to make any major change and it didn't make sense. We all agreed that the measurement was faulty. Please don't take this as a hit on you, but it is my educated guess that skin fold testing only works to a certain bodyfat percentage and then it exponentially decreases in validity.

It's really hard, I know. You expect that person to be an expert in their field and that what they have to offer you is truthful. But, as we've been learning in this program, most trainers don't know it all. I think this is a good lesson in trusting YOURSELF.

You can SEE and FEEL the changes yourself.....everyday! You feel muscles building, your clothes fit differently, your energy levels are higher and more stable, allowing you to do more with more enthusiasm, and you probably sleep better at night too...actually feeling rested.

Now who are you gonna believe? The trainer? Or yourself? You know YOU better than anyone else in the world.

I applaude your progress and your continuing transformation. I applaude you for sticking with this program. It's a tough one, but one that has lasting results. 96% of the people who accept the Challenge DON'T complete it. Consider yourself one of the few when you finish. =)

Hang in there Champ! You're gonna do great!

{{{hugs}}}

-

[Guest guest]

Barbara,

How do your clothes fit? Take measurements with a tape measure. Throw out

the bodyfat numbers! They are a very good way to see if you are losing fat

but a quick, reliable method is not around. Calipers are dependent upon the

skill of the person using them, the electronic bodyfat monitors are very

unreliable and not many of us have access to BodPods or hydrostatic testing.

I believe that's why BFL no longer requires bodyfat - people had bodyfat

numbers that didn't even match the bodies they were in!

And, yes, something as " little " as that can be VERY discouraging! You have

worked so hard for one little number to slap you down!

Sara

Depressed

>Way back, on Sept 2nd, I had a trainer at my club take

>my BF calibration. At that time I posted the results

>here, and some of you were sure there had been an

>error. At the time I was 203#, 5'6 " , and the BF% came

>out to 27.6%.

>

>Well, now I'm despratly trying to convince myself that

>the first figure WAS an error. I went last night and

>had the same trainer take my measurement. Guess

>what...27.6%. I was so depressed. And the worst

>thing was, when he told me the number and I said that

>couldn't be right, he asked " Well, have you been

>working at loosing? " . I told him everything I've been

>doing. I told him that I KNOW I have changed my

>muscles because I can see and feel the change every

>day. Then I went into the locker room and cried.

>

>I know, logically that the first figure must have been

>wrong. After all, that would have put my lean mass at

>147#, and my fat at 56#. I'm 5'6 " , so 147# of lean

>seems pretty high. So logically that measurement must

>have been faulty. But still the feeling of " what the

>heck have I been working so hard for " is nagging at

>me.

>

>Funny how such a little thing can ruin a mood, huh?

>

>Barbara

[Guest guest]

Yeah baby.....smile Z

[Guest guest]

I'm sure the lighting and tanning makes

for better looking pics. Some are trying

to win $$$ and want to look there best.

I on the other hand am going to be posting

my 12 week pics in one more week just as

white as I started. I'm not in it to win

I'm in it for me & only me !! I plan to be

tan for my Ch2 pics however. Don't let what

you read diappoint you....BFL works !!!

Sheryll

> Hi all,

> Okay, I was checking out Physique Transform which is suppose to

be a

> companion to BFL . For 3 days I logged my food and thought I'd be

getting a

> new way of eating etc. Well, it told me how much protein, carbs,

and fat ,

> but not a new way of eating. For instance what kinds of foods etc.

I guess

> you would eat the way of BFL. Anyway, I thought it would give me

more

> direction , maybe I'm missing something. I feel like I'm still at

square

> one.

> Then, I was checking on one of the sites and it was saying how

alot of

> people will just gloss themselves up and turn a certain way for

shots and

> look totally fit in 15 min. I was SO disappointed. I thought when

I found

> BFL, now I've got hope , but after reading this I'm thinking or

should I say

> wondering will this really work ? Will I see the results that I

thought?

> others had ? Or is it just the lighting , tanning , and such that

has made

> them look so good?

> Disappointed,

> Patti

[Guest guest]

Ummm...I would have to argue...I don't think there is anyway to hide 30-50

extra pounds on anyone. Most the changes that inspire me are weight loss.

Plus... I watched my sil and bil drop the pounds...that was enough for me...But

sure a tan don't hurt!

HOLLY

depressed

Hi all,

Okay, I was checking out Physique Transform which is suppose to be a

companion to BFL . For 3 days I logged my food and thought I'd be getting a

new way of eating etc. Well, it told me how much protein, carbs, and fat ,

but not a new way of eating. For instance what kinds of foods etc. I guess

you would eat the way of BFL. Anyway, I thought it would give me more

direction , maybe I'm missing something. I feel like I'm still at square

one.

Then, I was checking on one of the sites and it was saying how alot of

people will just gloss themselves up and turn a certain way for shots and

look totally fit in 15 min. I was SO disappointed. I thought when I found

BFL, now I've got hope , but after reading this I'm thinking or should I say

wondering will this really work ? Will I see the results that I thought?

others had ? Or is it just the lighting , tanning , and such that has made

them look so good?

Disappointed,

Patti

[Guest guest]

Hi Sheryll,

Thanks for the input. It's good to hear that people are out there

that are changing , that BFL does work. I was just so disappointed

when I read that " some " were able to so quickly spruce themselves

up. I guess there's polished apples in every bunch.

Blessings,

Patti

> I'm sure the lighting and tanning makes

> for better looking pics. Some are trying

> to win $$$ and want to look there best.

> I on the other hand am going to be posting

> my 12 week pics in one more week just as

> white as I started. I'm not in it to win

> I'm in it for me & only me !! I plan to be

> tan for my Ch2 pics however. Don't let what

> you read diappoint you....BFL works !!!

>

>

> Sheryll

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Do not read the anit-body for life stuff!! There's only one way to

lose weight. Exercise and control your eating. Period. There is no

magical food that will do it for you. Your grocery store is full of

good stuff. Check out the food list on www.bodyforlife.com

There's plenty of stuff there to eat. Eating should not be a

problem here. You get any fruit you want, any veggie you want, any

lean meat you want, vegan fake meat, whole wheat breads, whole wheat

pasta, regular pasta in small amounts, canned, frozen, or fresh

fruits and veggies. You can adapt the recipes you already use by

cutting the fat off the meat and leaving out the butter or lard.

Your tastebuds do have to adjust but it doesn't take long. You can

do this. It might take longer than 12 weeks, but this program is

not called the 12 weeks to a great body and then you can quite doing

everything weight loss plan. It's body for life. Start adjusting

and plan on doing this til you die! And if you do that, dieing will

be a long time off.

Hang in there girl. You can do it.

debra

> Hi all,

> Okay, I was checking out Physique Transform which is suppose to

be a

> companion to BFL . For 3 days I logged my food and thought I'd be

getting a

> new way of eating etc. Well, it told me how much protein, carbs,

and fat ,

> but not a new way of eating. For instance what kinds of foods etc.

I guess

> you would eat the way of BFL. Anyway, I thought it would give me

more

> direction , maybe I'm missing something. I feel like I'm still at

square

> one.

> Then, I was checking on one of the sites and it was saying how

alot of

> people will just gloss themselves up and turn a certain way for

shots and

> look totally fit in 15 min. I was SO disappointed. I thought when

I found

> BFL, now I've got hope , but after reading this I'm thinking or

should I say

> wondering will this really work ? Will I see the results that I

thought?

> others had ? Or is it just the lighting , tanning , and such that

has made

> them look so good?

> Disappointed,

> Patti

[Guest guest]

Hi Patti!

I'm not completely sure what the Physique Transformation program you're talking

about is supposed to do, but all you need to succeed on this program is what is

in the BFL book. Don't get mired down in the little details. Just stick to the

basics in the beginning and you'll see results. You have all the time in the

world to explore tweaks in the future.

Also, I know the thread you're talking about with the 15min before/after pics.

That discussion really revolves around people who have been doing the program

for a long time and the technicalities of competing and maintaining a low

bodyfat over an extended period of time. There's no way to hide tons of extra

weight in after pics, and there's no magic pill or powder to drop the pounds

quickly. It's all hard work, dedication and sweat. You give that much to the

program and you will see results.

This program WORKS, there's many, many women here who have astounding

before/after pics.

Keep working hard!

Maggie

depressed

Hi all,

Okay, I was checking out Physique Transform which is suppose to be a

companion to BFL . For 3 days I logged my food and thought I'd be getting a

new way of eating etc. Well, it told me how much protein, carbs, and fat ,

but not a new way of eating. For instance what kinds of foods etc. I guess

you would eat the way of BFL. Anyway, I thought it would give me more

direction , maybe I'm missing something. I feel like I'm still at square

one.

Then, I was checking on one of the sites and it was saying how alot of

people will just gloss themselves up and turn a certain way for shots and

look totally fit in 15 min. I was SO disappointed. I thought when I found

BFL, now I've got hope , but after reading this I'm thinking or should I say

wondering will this really work ? Will I see the results that I thought?

others had ? Or is it just the lighting , tanning , and such that has made

them look so good?

Disappointed,

Patti

[Guest guest]

,

have you had your thyroid checked??? as this could be the the culprit!!!!!

>From: " mkgould1 " <mgould@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Depressed

>Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 02:46:09 -0000

>

>Today was not a good day. I hardly ever post but need to today. I

>just had to buy a size larger in clothing for summer. I had given all

>my larger clothes away.

>

>I was reconciled to the fact that I wouldn't lose all the weight I

>wanted to but I was hoping I wouldn't regain. I had my MGB in 2000

>and then a redo in 2002. After the first one I lost down from 270 to

>about 195 and then regained to 225. After the second MGB I didn't

>lose anything for four months and then finally lost down to settle at

>about 182. I stayed this weight until about 3 months ago. All of a

>sudden I am up to 194. I haven't changed the way or amount I eat or

>anything else. The weight just jumped on. I feel like crying.

>

>I really don't understand why weight is coming back on when I haven't

>changed anything I'm doing. As you all know the thought I regaining

>the weight is the most frightening thing I can think of. After the

>first MGB I could tell I could eat more after awhile. Now I still

>can't eat that much and eat mostly healthy.

>

>I guess from the posts I need to try to get in more protein. What

>kind of drinks do you recommend? I can't drink milk or eat eggs any

>more. I can't eat that much meat and usually only chicken or fish. I

>guess the best thing would be some kind of protein drink. Any ideas

>would be much appreciated.

>

>Thanks.

> Gould

>MGB 9/00 & 5/02 Dr. R

>

>270/182/194

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Your post really touched my heart. Don't give up! I am only 6 MOS post op

but I can totally relate to what you had to say. I would like to share with

you some of the same things. I go through. First off I am not a 'fast loser

I started at 299 in October and now weigh 6 MOS later 243 a 56 lbs loss . I

didn't lose anything in month 4. So I started being diligent about exercise.

( which I loathe) I get on my treadmill everyday and in the last 10 days I

ve lost 7 lbs. That has really helped with my feelings of failure. However

before my mgb I couldn't lose no matter what I tried. So I am very grateful

for the loss even if its slow compared to the averages.

I use unjury protein mix. You can check out www.unjury.com its a whey

protein mix with 20 grams of protein per scoop. I make a protein shake every

day for breakfast. I add a cup of yogurt that adds another 8 grams of

protein and I use fat free lactose free milk which adds another 8 grams of

protein. For a total of 36 grams of protein. It may take me hours to get it

all down but it really helps with my energy level.( when I get full I just

but it away in the fridge to stay cold) Like you ...I can't drink milk or

do eggs either and all beef doesn't sit will in my new tummy. Chicken is

doable for a few bites but not enjoyable. But the milk in my protein shake

doesn't bother me at all. The unjury can be mixed with water or juice also.

The taste isn't chalky. I like to use the unflavored with yougurt and

strawberries and sometimes even a banana added.

For me a revision isn't an option. So I am trying my best to use the tool Dr

Rutledge has given me and even though I had visions of the fat just falling

off of me while I ate pizza... Reality is I have to work at my weight loss.

People told me I wasn't eating enough and that's why I was losing slow that

I made my body go into starvation mode. I tried eating more and I gained 2

lbs. So now I eat what I know is right for me. I've gone back to eating

less. I have my protein drink for breakfast and eat some veggies for lunch

or a pb sandwhich or sometimes skip lunch snack on celery mid afternoon and

eat a little dinner. Bottom line I don't worry about how " little " I eat now

and along with exercise the weight is coming off.

You didn't mention if you're doing any exercise. Or how much you eat. It

sounds like you may need to experiment a bit ( as I had to) and find out

what will work for your own body. I am still learning what I can and can't

eat. Stage 1 and 2 foods with some stage 3 is what works best for me. I had

horrible eating habits ( obviously) pre mgb so now I am working on learning

to enjoy a more healthy eating lifestyle. I make veggie soup a lot. And when

the weather is warmer I'll be back into salads.

Hang in there and come here often for support. I hope you'll let us

know how things are going for you. I am confident you can lose those few

lbs you gained and get back down to the size you have been. You have a

family here that truly does care about you and wants to give you support and

encouragement.

Blessings

Cheri

Dr Rutledge Las Vegas 10/26/05

299/243/150 some day

-- Depressed

Today was not a good day. I hardly ever post but need to today. I

just had to buy a size larger in clothing for summer. I had given all

my larger clothes away.

I was reconciled to the fact that I wouldn't lose all the weight I

wanted to but I was hoping I wouldn't regain. I had my MGB in 2000

and then a redo in 2002. After the first one I lost down from 270 to

about 195 and then regained to 225. After the second MGB I didn't

lose anything for four months and then finally lost down to settle at

about 182. I stayed this weight until about 3 months ago. All of a

sudden I am up to 194. I haven't changed the way or amount I eat or

anything else. The weight just jumped on. I feel like crying.

I really don't understand why weight is coming back on when I haven't

changed anything I'm doing. As you all know the thought I regaining

the weight is the most frightening thing I can think of. After the

first MGB I could tell I could eat more after awhile. Now I still

can't eat that much and eat mostly healthy.

I guess from the posts I need to try to get in more protein. What

kind of drinks do you recommend? I can't drink milk or eat eggs any

more. I can't eat that much meat and usually only chicken or fish. I

guess the best thing would be some kind of protein drink. Any ideas

would be much appreciated.

Thanks.

Gould

MGB 9/00 & 5/02 Dr. R

270/182/194

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your suggestions. I can't do a lot of walking because of

a bad knee (will eventually have knee replacement). I have a

stationary bike that my doc says to use. I'll try to use it in the

morning first thing and see if that helps.

I will try more protein, adding protein drinks especially.

I never was a quick loser. After second MGB I didn't lose weight

even while I was on liquids. Dr. R said my body evidently went into

starvation mode. We discussed a third MGB for after 6 mo. but I

finally started to lose after 4 mo.

I'll try staying away from carbs as much as possible. I usually eat

whole grain bread and brown rice, etc. I wish I could eat more meat

or eggs and milk.

Thanks for your ideas and support.

Today was not a good day. I

hardly ever post but need to today. I

> just had to buy a size larger in clothing for summer. I had

given all

> my larger clothes away.

>

> I was reconciled to the fact that I wouldn't lose all the weight

I

> wanted to but I was hoping I wouldn't regain. I had my MGB in

2000

> and then a redo in 2002. After the first one I lost down from

270 to

> about 195 and then regained to 225. After the second MGB I

didn't

> lose anything for four months and then finally lost down to

settle at

> about 182. I stayed this weight until about 3 months ago. All

of a

> sudden I am up to 194. I haven't changed the way or amount I eat

or

> anything else. The weight just jumped on. I feel like crying.

>

> I really don't understand why weight is coming back on when I

haven't

> changed anything I'm doing. As you all know the thought I

regaining

> the weight is the most frightening thing I can think of. After

the

> first MGB I could tell I could eat more after awhile. Now I

still

> can't eat that much and eat mostly healthy.

>

> I guess from the posts I need to try to get in more protein.

What

> kind of drinks do you recommend? I can't drink milk or eat eggs

any

> more. I can't eat that much meat and usually only chicken or

fish. I

> guess the best thing would be some kind of protein drink. Any

ideas

> would be much appreciated.

>

> Thanks.

> Gould

> MGB 9/00 & 5/02 Dr. R

>

> 270/182/194

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Renny,

Cliffs are for lemmings only sweetie. We need you to stay here with

us please!

In answer to your question... a big YES, depression most certainly is

linked to your current state of health and there is a lot of data

that will explain the chemical reason for this, let alone the misery

of feeling ill all the time, very clearly. Dr Peatfield dedicates a

whole chapter of his book, Your Thyroid, to it! If you haven't read

this book ... please do. Either see if you can borrow it from the TPA

loan service, your libary or (depending on your finances!) purchase

it.

Regardless of the fact that your forthcoming changes have been known

in advance, there is a good chance that you are still aprehensive so

again, not surprising you are down.

You don't say if you are on any medication for depression (and I

sincerely hope you are not on Prozac as this can exacerbate HypoT due

to it's chemical composition) but there are natural, alternatives you

could try, such as St 's Wort. I frequently use the Bach Flower

Remedies to get me through various ups and downs and I do find they

help. They also do not adverseley interact with anything else you may

be taking. There are those that say they only have a placebo effect -

but lets face it - who cares? If they lift you, that's all that

matters, regardless of the method. If you would like to know about

these, drop me an email.

I have suffered with depression for YEARS and have had all sorts of

treatment. But I now understand the whole thing much more clearly,

and I'm in the same position as you, whereas I've just done a month

of boosting my Adrenals on NAE and have just started (yesterday)

taking Armour (half a 60mg tab).

So, I am all excited at what the future holds, as this could be the

BIG change, and hopefully you are feeling this too... so you have

some positive things to look forward to.

As you are obviously at rock bottom, can you think of anything you

can do that will lift you ... a book, song, film that you know makes

you smile? Can you chat to a friend, stroke a pet? When I'm really

down, I force myself to think of what I could do that will give me a

little lift (one that doesn't involve a lot of energy or money ....

both in rather short supply at the mo!).

I've learnt over the years that I can, with a big effort, pull

myself around - but I truly know this realy depends on just how low

you are, so please don't think I'm being patronising!

I get so worried when people are as low as you sound - having been

there, on that " Cliff Edge " myself. So please, try and find a way to

make yourself smile or laugh (even if it's a little) it does help

to " chemically " lift your mood. And if you need a good cry - LET IT

ALL OUT! Too many people are too quick to say, there, there - don't

cry. WRONG.... crying is good for your soul. It's the best way to let

out deeply held fears, hurts, angers, hates ... and swallowing it

down only allows these negative emotions to build up and work against

you eventually.

Ugh ... I've written an essay! Sorry! Hope there is something in the

above that will help you.

My very best wishes to you, xxx

>

> Hi,

> Does anybody out there suffer with bouts of depression? I would be

> interested to know if anyone else suffers with the same as, at times

> like this I feel like jumping of a cliff!

> Love Renny

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Renny

I am sorry to hear you are feeling so low - especially at a time when you are going to need all the energy and the 'right' state of mind to get you over your impending move. I think what is causing your 'depression' is that you are probably not getting the amount of T3 that your body requires to make it function. T3 is also needed to get through the brain barrier to make it function, and if not enough is getting through, you get brain fog, short term memory and generally unable to function as it should, and doctors don't recognise this and put it down to 'depression' and hand out the antidepressants. Hopefully, as soon as your Armour arrives and you start on that, this should help you enormously. I honestly think this is 'physical' rather than psychological.

I hope your move goes well and that things start looking up for you from now on, as you have had enough problems lately to last you a lifetime.

Luv - Sheila

Hi,Does anybody out there suffer with bouts of depression? I am currently going through a terrible bout which started a couple of days ago, there doesn't seem to be any reason for it although I am going through a divorce and will be moving out of my house in the next three weeks. There, you might say, lies the problem but I have known about the move for a long time and it hadn't really affected me too much. It always seems to happen when I am coming down with something or trying to fight something off. There have been colds and the like around for a while and it feels like I am trying to fight one off, it's just that when this happens I always come down with severe depression. I started on Nutri Adrenal extra around 2 weeks ago and I am waiting for my Armour to arrive. Could it be one of the symptoms of Hypothyroid? I would be interested to know if anyone else suffers with the same as, at times like this I feel like jumping of a cliff!Love Re nny

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[Guest guest]

HiThanks for the replies. Yes I also believe the depression is 'physical' due to the way my body feels. I am going through an awful time at present but in the past I would have felt down but manage to pick myself up and get on with things. Since all this fatigue started following my first operation for Crohn's (1997) I have had regular bouts of uncontrolable depression and it always coincides with 'coming down with something' ie; a cold, it always comes about 3 days before the virus or whatever comes out so I do believe it is more physical than mental. To control it I have to get my blood sugar (I am type 1 diabetic) spot on and then I dont feel so bad. I am just hoping that the Thyroid treatment will help get rid of these debilitating symptoms and I can get on with my life.Once again, thanks for all your kind wordsLove RennyRenny Proudlove

for Good helps you make a difference

[Guest guest]

Renny,

Oh yes....with bells on! Did you see my intensely depressing post

yesterday? And it really doesn't help when patronising doctors suggest

it's depression which is causing your symptoms. I'm still very new to

this but my experience is that it's feeling so rotten makes me fed up

and not the other way round, although I also guess that feeling poorly

probably diminishes optimism because the tiredness etc makes it hard to

feel bouncy.

Anyway, yesterday I was losing the plot....today is another day and

I've been a whole lot better. And with the help of this group there is

light at the end of a very long tunnel. In the words of the

song " ...the only way is up! "

Pen x

[Guest guest]

Depression? Oh I KNOW for a fact that is a hypo symptom, hold on

there, you will still get lows but thyroid gives you ultra lows.

lotsa luv

Dawnx

[Guest guest]

Hi renny,

Depression is one of the

symptoms of low thyroid and is especially helped by T3, so the Armour that you

are waiting for should make a difference.

Depressed

Hi,

Does anybody out there suffer with bouts of depression? …………I started on Nutri

Adrenal extra around 2 weeks ago and I am waiting for my Armour to arrive.

Could it be one of the symptoms of Hypothyroid? I would be interested to know

if anyone else suffers with the same as, at times like this I feel like jumping

of a cliff!

Love Renny

[Guest guest]

Further to 's comments, I also think a good Vitamin B complex

tablet works wonders when feeling depressed. This has helped everyone

I know who has been depressed, however it may not work for everyone.

>

>

> >

> > Hi,

> > Does anybody out there suffer with bouts of depression? I would be

> > interested to know if anyone else suffers with the same as, at

times

> > like this I feel like jumping of a cliff!

> > Love Renny

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Renny,

Did I see someone had posted this source recently?

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Do you know what your tested copper/zinc/selenium status is?

If your zinc status is low do you take anything for it (supplement?)

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bob.org/babble/alter/20031122/msgs/283745.html</url>

<url>http://www.dr-

bob.org/babble/alter/20031218/msgs/291841.html</url>

trace elements in pregenancy (Ethiopia)

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2a8l.BwOx5K..H.Ey6e.2ysm.BPcEce00</url>

Post-natal depression may be due to zinc/copper imbalance(s) as well

as to low thyroid status.

With Crohn's disease, trace element deficiencies can be expected and

that might also be true of IBS, Gluten intolerance, Candidiasis etc

Any condtion where the tiny 'vili' along the gut are compromised

(missing, deformed or short) will cause serious malabsorbtion of all

nutrients.

A competent doctor might be testing for serum

zinc/copper/selenium/molybdenum to maintain your serum trace elements

as part of a comprehensive management programme ( given your known

condition and history ).

Your local PCT has a PALS department where they could engage the

immediate attention of your local practice in a positive and dis-

enagaged manner...only needs a telephone call and they are discreet

(make sure that they know you would like any contact to be anonymised

with your local practice).

Good luck on your journey.

best wishes

Bob

>

> Hi,

> Does anybody out there suffer with bouts of depression? I am

currently

> going through a terrible bout which started a couple of days ago,

there

> doesn't seem to be any reason for it although I am going through a

> divorce and will be moving out of my house in the next three weeks.

> There, you might say, lies the problem but I have known about the

move

> for a long time and it hadn't really affected me too much. It always

> seems to happen when I am coming down with something or trying to

fight

> something off. There have been colds and the like around for a

while and

> it feels like I am trying to fight one off, it's just that when this

> happens I always come down with severe depression. I started on

Nutri

> Adrenal extra around 2 weeks ago and I am waiting for my Armour to

> arrive. Could it be one of the symptoms of Hypothyroid? I would be

> interested to know if anyone else suffers with the same as, at times

> like this I feel like jumping of a cliff!

> Love Renny

>

[Guest guest]

Hi,Thanks again for the replies. You're right aboout the patronising Docs! I have been told so many times that depression is causing my symtoms when I know full well that it's the other way round, the problem is doctors dont like to be told anything because we are 'not qualified', but I know my body, I should do I've lived in it long enough!!!I hope you are feeliing wellLuv RennyRenny Proudlove

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[Guest guest]

HI Renny

It isn't that doctors don't like to be told anything because we are "not qualified" - they don't like to be told anything because they don't know what we are talking about and have not been taught well at their medical school. They are GENERAL practitioners only. Most of us here know more about thyroid problems than GP's and that is what they don't like. Stick with what YOU know, not what they try to make you believe.

luv - Sheila

Hi,Thanks again for the replies. You're right aboout the patronising Docs! I have been told so many times that depression is causing my symtoms when I know full well that it's the other way round, the problem is doctors dont like to be told anything because we are 'not qualified', but I know my body, I should do I've lived in it long enough!!!I hope you are feeliing wellLuv Renny

Renny Proudlove

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Hi Sheila That's right about the GP's. My GP certainly doesn't like it if I try to suggest anything like Thyroid problems or the like. The reason I am self medicating is quite simply that I have had enough of trying to get through to him, if I do try to tell him what I think may be wrong I am made to feel like an insolent schoolboy. I have always maintained that people know their own bodies better than any doctor and I personally have always 'felt' something was not right. I am NOT clinically depressed, I just get depressed when my body is trying to fight something and that is a physical thing but will my GP listen? No way, he knows best and will give me a wheelbarrow full of anti depressants that I don't need so to be quite honest I am better off self medicating, at least with Armour I will soon know if they are doing me any harm because I have read all the info in the 'Files' section of the group and know what to look for. Prozac, Seroxat, Effexor, Mirtazapine, you

name it he has tried to push them on me, sometimes I think they are nothing more than legalised drug dealers!!!Renny Proudlove

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[Guest guest]

H Renny

You should take a copy of the following - take it to your GP as a reminder of his duties. WHY do we let our doctors get away with what they are doiong and how they are treating us when they are supposed to be following the GMC "Duties of a doctor..."

Good Medical Practice (2006)

The duties of a doctor registered with the General Medical Council

Patients must be able to trust doctors with their lives and health. To justify that trust you must show respect for human life and you must:

Make the care of your patient your first concern

Protect and promote the health of patients and the public

Provide a good standard of practice and care

Keep your professional knowledge and skills up to date

Recognise and work within the limits of your competence

Work with colleagues in the ways that best serve patients' interests

Treat patients as individuals and respect their dignity

Treat patients politely and considerately

Respect patients' right to confidentiality

Work in partnership with patients

Listen to patients and respond to their concerns and preferences

Give patients the information they want or need in a way they can understand

Respect patients' right to reach decisions with you about their treatment and care

Support patients in caring for themselves to improve and maintain their health

Be honest and open and act with integrity

Act without delay if you have good reason to believe that you or a colleague may be putting patients at risk

Never discriminate unfairly against patients or colleagues

Never abuse your patients' trust in you or the public's trust in the profession.

You are personally accountable for your professional practice and must always be prepared to justify your decisions and actions.

Re: Depressed

Hi Sheila That's right about the GP's. My GP certainly doesn't like it if I try to suggest anything like Thyroid problems or the like. The reason I am self medicating is quite simply that I have had enough of trying to get through to him, if I do try to tell him what I think may be wrong I am made to feel like an insolent schoolboy. I have always maintained that people know their own bodies better than any doctor and I personally have always 'felt' something was not right. I am NOT clinically depressed, I just get depressed when my body is trying to fight something and that is a physical thing but will my GP listen? No way, he knows best and will give me a wheelbarrow full of anti depressants that I don't need so to be quite honest I am better off self medicating, at least with Armour I will soon know if they are doing me any harm because I have read all the info in the 'Files' section of the group and know what to look for. Prozac, Seroxat, Effexor, Mirtazapine, y ou name it he has tried to push them on me, sometimes I think they are nothing more than legalised drug dealers!!!

Renny Proudlove

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Hi Renny,

This PhD thesis (in German) contains the information you need,

but see the references to point you to the relevant papers.

http://edoc.ub.uni-muenchen.de/5122/1/Alajbegovic_Lejla.pdf

I can't do technical German but you may be able to get a rough idea

from one of the autotranslators (eg BabelFish).

ask if you need more resources.

best wishes

Bob

>

> Hi,

> Does anybody out there suffer with bouts of depression? I am

currently

> going through a terrible bout which started a couple of days ago,

there

> doesn't seem to be any reason for it although I am going through a

> divorce and will be moving out of my house in the next three weeks.

> There, you might say, lies the problem but I have known about the

move

> for a long time and it hadn't really affected me too much. It always

> seems to happen when I am coming down with something or trying to

fight

> something off. There have been colds and the like around for a

while and

> it feels like I am trying to fight one off, it's just that when this

> happens I always come down with severe depression. I started on

Nutri

> Adrenal extra around 2 weeks ago and I am waiting for my Armour to

> arrive. Could it be one of the symptoms of Hypothyroid? I would be

> interested to know if anyone else suffers with the same as, at times

> like this I feel like jumping of a cliff!

> Love Renny

>