Guest guest Posted August 15, 2000 Report Share Posted August 15, 2000 Hello i just recently joined this list and i have a simple recipe for bath salts but i would like one for bath bombs,do you have one. leeda wrote: > > Hello, my name is and since joining this group I have learned > a lot. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in sharing some > recipes for bath salts, bath bombs, etc. You can send it to me > through the list or email me at mdjohnson4@.... > And thanks for all your help. > > > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2000 Report Share Posted August 15, 2000 Bath Fizzers 2 parts baking soda 1 part citric acid 1 part corn starch, sea salt, or epsom salts 1/4 part Borax Fo oil I sift the dry ingredients together than I mix the wet stuff in. I PACK mine into a clear two part Christmas ball ornament . I let them dry overnight, then in the AM I put them in the oven at the very lowest temp for a few hours. They turn out rock hard. Everyone liked them but a few of my friends said they were a little oily so my next batch I am going to cut back on the oil and mix a little witch hazel. I like this recipe because I can make a very small amount at first to see if I like the changes. I am also going to try some powdered goats milk and honey to go with some Goats milk and Honey Cp I made and love! Re: help Hello i just recently joined this list and i have a simple recipe for bath salts but i would like one for bath bombs,do you have one. leeda wrote: > > Hello, my name is and since joining this group I have learned > a lot. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in sharing some > recipes for bath salts, bath bombs, etc. You can send it to me > through the list or email me at mdjohnson4@.... > And thanks for all your help. > > > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2000 Report Share Posted August 15, 2000 I am allergic to Borax so could you please tell me its purpose in the recipe below and tell me of other alternatives I could use in its place? Thanks. I have yet to try doing these despite having all the ingredients but know I want to do this soon. wrote: > > Bath Fizzers > 2 parts baking soda > 1 part citric acid > 1 part corn starch, sea salt, or epsom salts > 1/4 part Borax > Fo > oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2000 Report Share Posted August 15, 2000 hello I use just plain Vitamin C tabs. You could also ask your local pharmacy. they usually carry is behind the counter. just a thought. Gena Lets discuss our beauty business. Lets help each other.<BeautyBusiness> Re: help> > Hello > i just recently joined this list and i have a simple recipe for bath> salts but i would like one for bath bombs,do you have one.> leeda> > wrote:> >> > Hello, my name is and since joining this group I have learned> > a lot. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in sharing some> > recipes for bath salts, bath bombs, etc. You can send it to me> > through the list or email me at mdjohnson4@....> > And thanks for all your help.> >> >> >> > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to> go!!~*~*> > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to> go!!~*~*> > > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~*~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2000 Report Share Posted August 15, 2000 thank you for sending the fizzies. i have looked for the citric acid but cant find it anywhere please tellme were to get it. leeda wrote: > > Bath Fizzers > 2 parts baking soda > 1 part citric acid > 1 part corn starch, sea salt, or epsom salts > 1/4 part Borax > Fo > oil > I sift the dry ingredients together than I mix the wet stuff in. I PACK > mine into a clear two part Christmas ball ornament . I let them dry > overnight, then in the AM I put them in the oven at the very lowest temp for > a few hours. They turn out rock hard. > Everyone liked them but a few of my friends said they were a little oily so > my next batch I am going to cut back on the oil and mix a little witch > hazel. I like this recipe because I can make a very small amount at first > to see if I like the changes. > I am also going to try some powdered goats milk and honey to go with some > Goats milk and Honey Cp I made and love! > Re: help > > Hello > i just recently joined this list and i have a simple recipe for bath > salts but i would like one for bath bombs,do you have one. > leeda > > wrote: > > > > Hello, my name is and since joining this group I have learned > > a lot. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in sharing some > > recipes for bath salts, bath bombs, etc. You can send it to me > > through the list or email me at mdjohnson4@.... > > And thanks for all your help. > > > > > > > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to > go!!~*~* > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to > go!!~*~* > > > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2000 Report Share Posted August 16, 2000 Hi there, I too am allergic to borax and do not use it in bath fizzers, basically you can just omit it..... use the same dry ingredients and either bond them together with oil or spray with witch hazel (or both) no need for the borax at all... basic recipe is 1cup baking soda 1/2 cup citric acid 1/2 cup cornstarch colour, fragrance and spritz with witch hazel until consistency of slightly moist sand... until the mix stays together when you form a ball in your hand HTH Re: help > I am allergic to Borax so could you please tell me its purpose in the > recipe below and tell me of other alternatives I could use in its > place? Thanks. I have yet to try doing these despite having all the > ingredients but know I want to do this soon. > > > > wrote: > > > > Bath Fizzers > > 2 parts baking soda > > 1 part citric acid > > 1 part corn starch, sea salt, or epsom salts > > 1/4 part Borax > > Fo > > oil > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2000 Report Share Posted August 16, 2000 Hi . Thanks! I couldn't sleep so I was reading your answer and decided to try it. I had an " interesting " time, not sure it'll turn out but we learn by doing after all. I mixed your recipe below and added a touch of food color to the spritz bottle of witch hazel and 1 teasp. FO and 1 teasp. jojoba. Jojoba was possibly a wrong choice but what the hey. I was laughing. I kept smashing these things down into my candy molds and they kept expanding, I thought it was my imagination until I looked over at tray one and saw they had all risen like pizzas! LOL. Is this normal? Now, outside of fun what are these good for? I note that witch hazel is an astringent but don't see where that little will do much in a tub of water. Citric acid has a touch of a " bite " to it (I have eczema) and baking soda perhaps deodorizes a bit. Anyone have comments? I will work on learning about these things and how to make them this week. Thanks so much. Neumann wrote: > > Hi there, > > I too am allergic to borax and do not use it in bath fizzers, basically you > can just omit it..... use the same dry ingredients and either bond them > together with oil or spray with witch hazel (or both) no need for the borax Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2000 Report Share Posted August 16, 2000 Oh I live by baking soda. I have 4 kids and one has severe eczema, sometimes she can not use soap. The baking soda seems to be very soothing. After her soak I rub her down with a very gentle lotion. It is also good or insect bites. My mid wife recommended it for yeast infections and diaper rash those and athletes foot are the same fungus). As soon as the baby gets a little red in the tub they go for a baking soda soak. It will usually be gone by the time they wake from there nap. My DH teases me as I am convinced baking soda is a cure -all :-) Let me know if you try it and what you think. I have never tried the witch hazel in the bath fizzies. Re: help Hi . Thanks! I couldn't sleep so I was reading your answer and decided to try it. I had an " interesting " time, not sure it'll turn out but we learn by doing after all. I mixed your recipe below and added a touch of food color to the spritz bottle of witch hazel and 1 teasp. FO and 1 teasp. jojoba. Jojoba was possibly a wrong choice but what the hey. I was laughing. I kept smashing these things down into my candy molds and they kept expanding, I thought it was my imagination until I looked over at tray one and saw they had all risen like pizzas! LOL. Is this normal? Now, outside of fun what are these good for? I note that witch hazel is an astringent but don't see where that little will do much in a tub of water. Citric acid has a touch of a " bite " to it (I have eczema) and baking soda perhaps deodorizes a bit. Anyone have comments? I will work on learning about these things and how to make them this week. Thanks so much. Neumann wrote: > > Hi there, > > I too am allergic to borax and do not use it in bath fizzers, basically you > can just omit it..... use the same dry ingredients and either bond them > together with oil or spray with witch hazel (or both) no need for the borax ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2000 Report Share Posted August 16, 2000 WAY TOOOO much liquid, you really only need say 10 to 15 spritzes if that, as soon as the mixture stays together it is enough....this is a case where more is not better (grin)..... actually in this weather i made some using liquid colourant and that seemed to be enough to hold it together, didn't even need the witch hazel. I have tried using oils in fizzies and they seem too slippery in the tub (especially for kids) and the oil seems to take away some of the fizzing action..... the baking soda is soothing and softening to the skin, the citric acid as far as i know only contributes to the fizz... i also have eczema and the citric acid bothers my hands when i am making the fizzes but not in the bath... i guess it is the conentrated amount that irritates. When i do want to use oil for moisturizing, i generally imbed a small chunk of shea or cocoa butter in the middle of the bomb so it doesn't distract from the fizzing action. Best way to colour and scent is to add the colour (i usually use herbs or dry colourants) and scent first, then spritz with WH. Witch hazel is astringent and doesn't set off the fizz like water will. You should not have any or very minor fizzing action when you are making them, if you do you have too much liquid, pack them in the molds really tight and tap them out on the counter right away.... if the mold is quite detailed leave them to set for 15 minutes or so. HTH > > I mixed your recipe below and added a touch of food color to the spritz > bottle of witch hazel and 1 teasp. FO and 1 teasp. jojoba. Jojoba was > possibly a wrong choice but what the hey. > > I was laughing. I kept smashing these things down into my candy molds > and they kept expanding, I thought it was my imagination until I looked > over at tray one and saw they had all risen like pizzas! LOL. Is this > normal? > > Now, outside of fun what are these good for? I note that witch hazel is > an astringent but don't see where that little will do much in a tub of > water. Citric acid has a touch of a " bite " to it (I have eczema) and > baking soda perhaps deodorizes a bit. Anyone have comments? > > I will work on learning about these things and how to make them this > week. Thanks so much. > > > > Neumann wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > I too am allergic to borax and do not use it in bath fizzers, basically you > > can just omit it..... use the same dry ingredients and either bond them > > together with oil or spray with witch hazel (or both) no need for the borax > > > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2000 Report Share Posted August 16, 2000 since i dont make these very often, i get mine from the grocery stores you can use the citric acid in the canning isle (to keep fruit from turning brown) but i have started to use sour salt, in the kosher isle, works better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2000 Report Share Posted August 16, 2000 In a message dated 8/16/00 2:50:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wizardwiz@... writes: << Now, outside of fun what are these good for? >> its just like taking a soak in bath salts, but like it says, added fun, and if you use scents, the scents explode around you while fizzing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2000 Report Share Posted August 16, 2000 Hi . I used to use corn starch to cure diaper rash. I'd apply it after rinsing the area and patting dry. I think the main key here is washing off the pee. Most lotions made me worse (eczema), esp. anything with lanolin. A lot of trial and error. I like Trader Joe's or my own now. Insect bite makes sense that baking soda would help, that seems right. One note, my FO (Rose Petals) which I usually love I did not like at all in these. Could be the combo smell or I used too much. These things dry HARD!!! I will bathe in them later and see what I think then. wrote: <snipped> > > Oh I live by baking soda..... > My DH teases me as I am convinced baking soda is a cure -all :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 Does anyone have a link where you can buy already made bath fizzies. I work full time and would love to come home and soak. Isabella Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 my husband makes lye soap and has for years. he makes several different kinds. a friend of mines has a daughter who a type of skin infection and they could not get rid of it and it itched real bad. she used the soap during a bath and it stopped the itching so with her medication it finaly started to heal. they ran out of it one time did not use one night, during the evening she started to itch so bad she was making it worse. they came right over and got some more and did not stop until it was cleared. there is another man here at the lake who owns a business and he wont use anything but hubbys soap. leeda wrote: > > Oh I live by baking soda. I have 4 kids and one has severe eczema, sometimes > she can not use soap. The baking soda seems to be very soothing. After her > soak I rub her down with a very gentle lotion. It is also good or insect > bites. My mid wife recommended it for yeast infections and diaper rash > those and athletes foot are the same fungus). As soon as the baby gets a > little red in the tub they go for a baking soda soak. It will usually be > gone by the time they wake from there nap. My DH teases me as I am > convinced baking soda is a cure -all :-) Let me know if you try it and what > you think. > I have never tried the witch hazel in the bath fizzies. > > Re: help > > Hi . Thanks! I couldn't sleep so I was reading your answer and > decided to try it. I had an " interesting " time, not sure it'll turn out > but we learn by doing after all. > > I mixed your recipe below and added a touch of food color to the spritz > bottle of witch hazel and 1 teasp. FO and 1 teasp. jojoba. Jojoba was > possibly a wrong choice but what the hey. > > I was laughing. I kept smashing these things down into my candy molds > and they kept expanding, I thought it was my imagination until I looked > over at tray one and saw they had all risen like pizzas! LOL. Is this > normal? > > Now, outside of fun what are these good for? I note that witch hazel is > an astringent but don't see where that little will do much in a tub of > water. Citric acid has a touch of a " bite " to it (I have eczema) and > baking soda perhaps deodorizes a bit. Anyone have comments? > > I will work on learning about these things and how to make them this > week. Thanks so much. > > > > Neumann wrote: > > > > Hi there, > > > > I too am allergic to borax and do not use it in bath fizzers, basically > you > > can just omit it..... use the same dry ingredients and either bond them > > together with oil or spray with witch hazel (or both) no need for the > borax > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to > go!!~*~* > > > > ~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 I'm not sure if i can post a link out in the open, however if you want a great site, email me privately and I will send it to. dragons@... Please include your email addy. Thanks Gena Lets discuss our beauty business. Lets help each other.<BeautyBusiness> Re: help Does anyone have a link where you can buy already made bath fizzies. I work full time and would love to come home and soak.Isabella~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2000 Report Share Posted August 17, 2000 Hello Leeda, the one I used I got from the site listed below. And yes, please send me your recipe. And thanks again. http://www.ncf.ca/~aj471/BathBombs.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 yes, you can post all links to recipes etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2000 Report Share Posted August 18, 2000 Hello.. Could you please expound on the etc... i.e.---what links? personal/business websites, suppliers, etc..? Thanks in advance Gena Lets discuss our beauty business. Lets help each other.<BeautyBusiness> Re: help yes, you can post all links to recipes etc.~*~*Thanks for joining! Tell your friends!!!!!All natural is the way to go!!~*~* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 In a message dated 8/18/00 9:30:09 PM Pacific Daylight Time, dragons@... writes: << Could you please expound on the etc... i.e.---what links? >> links to suppliers, recipies, what ever would help in all of our bath/soap making experience Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2000 Report Share Posted August 25, 2000 Hi Mrs. Meade, I also have HepC. I have been very fortunate so far, and have not had to be on any meds. I did hear the other day though, that the United Way supports an agency that will help pay for medications that you can't afford, or that your insurance refuses to pay. I am currently checking into it for pain medication that I need for two ruptured discs in my lower back. My insurance refuses to pay anything on it, so I have approached the United Way for help. I wish you lots of luck in finding help woth this!! Let me know how it turns out..... Sherry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2000 Report Share Posted August 26, 2000 In a message dated 8/25/00 9:38:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ksfyre@... writes: << Hi, I have recently been diagnosed with Chronic Hepatitis C. They have done the liver biopsy and said that I have some scarring of the liver but would be a good candidate for the combo treatments, however, my meds will cost around $1700.00 >> ************************************ SP has a program called Committment To Care.....the number is 1-800-521-7157...they`ll pay for your meds, and you don`t have to be penniless..just need it. well wishes, debmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2000 Report Share Posted August 26, 2000 Hi I am not a person who really writes alot of emails on this list, and I really don't know why, This is a GREAT bunch of caring, loving people and I love to hear their ideas but I never think I have anything to offer. (I'm probably wrong but that an issue I'm working on) Anyway...my name is and I was diagnosed in Nov of 97. I also had a liver biopsy that showed some scarring and also some cirrhosis. I was told that I was a perfect candidate just like you. Can I ask how your levels were? Are you having alot of the symptoms of the hep? I know when I first was diagnosed with my hep I read everything I could get my hands on and it seemed that every symptom they named, I would get. My liver dr gave me the videos and booklets about the injections and I told my boss about the side effects I might be experiencing etc. and then I was told that because I had a history of depression I could not be put on the meds. I was very upset, thought I was going to die the next day and that just tore me up. I am a recovering alcoholic and I started to drink again thinking what's the difference because I'm going to die anyway. As far as I know my insurance would have covered all but I never even got that far. The point Im trying to make I guess is that I have not had the injections, I've stopped drinking, and I listen to this group regarding some of the natural remedies. I still have my levels checked (not as regularly as I should, it's been 1 1/2 years and I'm going in Sept) and I honestly feel pretty good. I realized through this list (and a gentleman I work with) that you can live without the meds. I feel pretty good at this point and I continue to do what I can to work on my disease and sometimes it's not easy. I have no ideas regarding supplemental income for the meds but I'm sure someone in this group will have some, they always do (as I said they are great!). Just because you can't get on the medication right now, there are alot of things you yourself can do to help the hep. The medicine isn't 100% all the time and alot of your recovery (in my opinion) is a positive attitidude. I know I have come a long way with this and I have a long way to go but just remember that what you are feeling right now is normal and part of the process and it will get better. There is help out there I know there is and I am going to talk to some people to see if I can get and answer for you about your insurance. (I work for an insurance company). What state are you in and what type of insurance do you have? I've rambled long enough but I hope I've made some sense. I really am trying to help I know how you feel. It's hard to feel hopeless and helpless but you don't have to. Hope I've made some sense. take care okay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2000 Report Share Posted August 26, 2000 .... What a wonderful letter you wrote!!!! Your story is truly amazing!! And you said all the things I would have said.... and very well. Keep up the positive attitude....it really does help. I made a decision not to go with the combo therapy also. I have other significant chronic disease besides the hepC which was contracted during a quintuple bypass in 1985 when I was 42. Because it seemed unwise to even try a therapy which listed anemia as a very major side effect, and because the hep doc wanted a cardiac stress test before the biopsy, I finally just said NO. For each of us the decision must be based on our own circumstances. It is my understanding that viral load is not necessarily a predictor of success of the combo therapy. It would seem from what I hear that the success rate is not quite what the hand-out literature claims. I might have felt differently about trying it if I was younger and if my husband did not have Alzheimer's. So, it really is an individual decision. This is a very caring loving group and I, for one, am here any time someone needs an ear.... Haven't posted much recently, but hope everyone is doing as well as could be hoped for!!! Merril Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 26, 2000 Report Share Posted August 26, 2000 Hi i want to thank everyone for the help and support, it means alot to me. There are times when I feel like I am going through this alone. I am married but my husband is very distant now. So the support from everyone here helps me cope. , as far as my levels go, I was checked a month ago and they were at 855,000. I am still quite new to all the terminology and meanings of all this. I have read all emails from the group repeatedly, learning. Thank you all once again. Mrs. Meade On Sat, 26 Aug 2000 10:34:12 EDT scooby759@... wrote: > Hi I am not a person who really writes alot of emails on this list, > and I > really don't know why, This is a GREAT bunch of caring, loving > people and I > love to hear their ideas but I never think I have anything to offer. > (I'm > probably wrong but that an issue I'm working on) Anyway...my name is > > and I was diagnosed in Nov of 97. I also had a liver biopsy that > showed some > scarring and also some cirrhosis. I was told that I was a perfect > candidate > just like you. Can I ask how your levels were? > Are you having alot of the symptoms of the hep? I know when I first > was > diagnosed with my hep I read everything I could get my hands on and > it seemed > that every symptom they named, I would get. My liver dr gave me the > videos > and booklets about the injections and I told my boss about the side > effects I > might be experiencing etc. and then I was told that because I had a > history > of depression I could not be put on the meds. I was very upset, > thought I > was going to die the next day and that just tore me up. I am a > recovering > alcoholic and I started to drink again thinking what's the difference > because > I'm going to die anyway. As far as I know my insurance would have > covered > all but I never even got that far. > The point Im trying to make I guess is that I have not had the > injections, > I've stopped drinking, and I listen to this group regarding some of > the > natural remedies. I still have my levels checked (not as regularly > as I > should, it's been 1 1/2 years and I'm going in Sept) and I honestly > feel > pretty good. I realized through this list (and a gentleman I work > with) that > you can live without the meds. I feel pretty good at this point and > I > continue to do what I can to work on my disease and sometimes it's > not easy. > I have no ideas regarding supplemental income for the meds but I'm > sure > someone in this group will have some, they always do (as I said they > are > great!). Just because you can't get on the medication right now, > there are > alot of things you yourself can do to help the hep. The medicine > isn't 100% > all the time and alot of your recovery (in my opinion) is a positive > attitidude. I know I have come a long way with this and I have a > long way to > go but just remember that what you are feeling right now is normal > and part > of the process and it will get better. There is help out there I > know there > is and I am going to talk to some people to see if I can get and > answer for > you about your insurance. (I work for an insurance company). What > state are > you in and what type of insurance do you have? I've rambled long > enough but > I hope I've made some sense. I really am trying to help I know how > you feel. > It's hard to feel hopeless and helpless but you don't have to. Hope > I've > made some sense. take care okay? > > > -------------------------- eGroups Sponsor > > > Mrs. Donna Meade ___________________________________________ Hot Discussions going on NOW! Click to join or just lurk around: http://forums.arabia.com ÃØáÞ áÝßÑß ÇáÚäÇä Ýí ÏÇÑÉ ÇáÍæÇÑ ÇáÚÑÈí http://dar.arabia.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2000 Report Share Posted August 27, 2000 Mrs. Meade, Glad you are feeling better - as far as your levels go, I was thinking about what I wrote last night and I remembered that your levels can go up and down alot. You can be tested one time and then an hour later they can be different. Just keep your chin up and keep a level head (that's one area I went wrong, but I'm getting better!). I'm sorry that your husband isn't as supportive as he probably should be, my husband is the same way. He is a " pick yourself up by the bootstraps " kind of guy who thinks that alcoholism and depression are a state of mind so I know how that can feel. But I know he does love me and believe it or not he is coming around - slow but sure. Have faith, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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