HELP

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I'm trying to lose weight too. It is very slow

but I have lost a few pounds. Most importantly though

I have gained some muscle and my body fat went down

almost a whole percentage point. I think that weight

loss is possible, just very slow and definitely not

easy.<br>Do you lift weights at all?<br><br>Janine

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Thanks for the advise. I will be emailing you for more info.

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No, I dont lift weights. I would like to though. Maybe I can join a gym or

something. Hmmm something to definetly think about..thanx!

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I highly recommend weights. Women do need to be

careful because we need to do a heavy enough weight but

we should constantly increase the weight because

that is what men do to really bulk up. Women usually

increase the amount of sets and reps that they

do.<br><br>You don't have to join a gym if you don't want to. I

do prefer the machines but I also do some

handweights and that is what I will be doing when I go home

for christmas break. You can get handweights at

Target for under $30. I think that my sister has two 5

lbs and two 8 lbs. We basically almost always use 5

lbs because the 8 is too much still. <br><br>Muscle

is good to have because it burns more calories than

fat does for a longer amount of time. They say that

it increases the metabolism. Just be careful not to

be obsessed with the scale and do tape measurements

because when you start with weights, you will most likely

gain pounds as the muscle is much heavier. But you

will lose fat which takes up more room. <br>I have

gained a bit but have lost several pounds of fat and 8.5

inches. <br><br>Janine

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In a message dated 2/5/02 8:01:02 PM Canada Central Standard Time,

kbear0401@... writes:

> my question---do we just assume he wont read and write and keep him

> happy doing all this fun stuff or push the academics. we still have the

> option of the high school. maybe not this school year but possibly next.

> ideas, opinions, suggestions anyone?

>

Whether he can learn to read or not depends on if it's even been tried, don't

you think? Just because he's 16 and doesn't read have you have already spent

a number of years attempting to teach him to read, and if you've tried all

the different approaches to reading, then it's quite possible that he isn't

going to read. Then it's probably is time to move on. If non of that has

been tried then it's quite possible that he can read and it's time for

someone to start doing their job. And if it turns out that he's one who has

had the oppertunity to try to learn to read and just doesn't get it...well so

be it. Then it's time to find out what others who's young adults have never

gotten it have done working around not having the reading skill. But how is

all that fun stuff helping prepare him for life after school?

Joy

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In a message dated 2/5/2002 9:00:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

kbear0401@... writes:

> or push the academics

I have seen far too many young adults that can't read. That is impacting

their lives much more than the time they spent having fun in school.

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 2/5/02 6:01:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, kbear0401@...

writes:

> first of all, i have been reading the threads about going to school to work

> on academics and leaving the field trips etc for home life. here is my

> dilemma- ben has always been mainstreamed and academics was always what he

> worked on. they didnt have any field trips that i can remember. this was

> at

> his old junior high. well, we made a decison this past fall to have him

> attend a different junior high that has a special ed class that at the time

>

> seemed to meet his needs really well, the high school where he should of

> gone would of adapted to his needs as best they could but felt the other

> school was the better idea for him. well, now i really am concerned about

> our decision. this is the typical week, tuesday-meijers to shop,

> thursdays-swimming at another school and now fridays-special olympics

> bowling. i am not seeing any academics whatsoever. we were hoping (and

> told) that ben could possibly be taught to read this year. this class is

> totally different than his old class. they are not included in anything at

>

> all. my question---do we just assume he wont read and write and keep him

> happy doing all this fun stuff or push the academics. we still have the

> option of the high school. maybe not this school year but possibly next.

> ideas, opinions, suggestions anyone?

>

>

I'd start with a meeting with school staff. His program doesn't sound very

individualized to me.

We are in the same dilemna for middle school next year. THey have either way

to advanced a program for him or a program that is life skills oriented. Due

to space, staff and overall environment we are going with the life skills

oriented program. That doesn't mean we are changing what will be doing.

I have a meeting with the teachers in the middle school program coming up to

discuss programming for next year. I will make it clear to them the

reasons their program was selected for and what I want his day to look

like.

I'm also very clear on what goals should be working on each day.

I will also be clear on what DAvid won't be doing. Unloading the dishwasher,

doing laundry, cooking, going to the store, park, zoo, are not on his IEP and

he won't be participating in them since he will be busy in the reg. ed.

activities and classes.

Oh yes, can't forget that beautiful behavior plan that they will have in

place before school starts.

Karyn

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In a message dated 2/5/02 7:34:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, wildwards@...

writes:

> > or push the academics

>

> I have seen far too many young adults that can't read. That is impacting

> their lives much more than the time they spent having fun in school.

> Cheryl in VA

>

I know some clients in the agency that I worked for were involved in adult

literacy programs. Just a thought for some people that may have missed out

earlier in life.

Karyn

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<<I have seen far too many young adults that can't read. That is impacting

their lives much more than the time they spent having fun in school.

Cheryl in VA>>

So it is possible to learn to read at any time if one keeps working at it?

Ted can not read yet and doesn't recognize many words with regularity other

than his name. Ted is in an academic setting, but still invited to all the

bowling and eating lunch field trips that the higher needs classroom goes

on. I only let him go on field trips that the kids in the " regular "

education setting go to. I do let him go swimming once a week at the Y.

Gail, mom to Ted (10)

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Kerrie,

After I had my gallbladder out I got diarrhea and had loose stools for a

couple of years. I have since learned that this is common after GB surgery.

Isn't there a bathroom (any bathroom) he could use that is closer to his class?

Is there a nurses office or any other place he could get to quicker? It seems

like the school needs to work with you on this issue. Surely, no one wants your

son to be incontinent, least of all him.

The class you describe sounds like the one my friend's son is in (not DS).

The students cook, go out to lunch, bowling & on field trips and make crafts.

There is nothing academic about it. My friends don't mind. It is a good, safe,

fun place for their 12 year old to be during the day. I believe all of our

children should have academic teaching for as long as they are in school no

matter what their level of comprehension. JMHO.

B

help

Its me kerrie (mom to ben 16ds and alex 13 nda). There are a couple things i

would like to bring up and ask opinions and advise about.

first of all, i have been reading the threads about going to school to work

on academics and leaving the field trips etc for home life. here is my

dilemma- ben has always been mainstreamed and academics was always what he

worked on. they didnt have any field trips that i can remember. this was at

his old junior high. well, we made a decison this past fall to have him

attend a different junior high that has a special ed class that at the time

seemed to meet his needs really well, the high school where he should of

gone would of adapted to his needs as best they could but felt the other

school was the better idea for him. well, now i really am concerned about

our decision. this is the typical week, tuesday-meijers to shop,

thursdays-swimming at another school and now fridays-special olympics

bowling. i am not seeing any academics whatsoever. we were hoping (and

told) that ben could possibly be taught to read this year. this class is

totally different than his old class. they are not included in anything at

all. my question---do we just assume he wont read and write and keep him

happy doing all this fun stuff or push the academics. we still have the

option of the high school. maybe not this school year but possibly next.

ideas, opinions, suggestions anyone?

second, ever since ben had his gallbladder removed he seems to have a

" control " problem with his bowel movements. its not all the time but when he

has to go, he has to go now!! well, he had an accident yesterday and today

and the teachers is very disgusted about it. she said we are going to have

to figure out something because he is too old to be doing this. problem is,

boys bathroom is on the other side of the building and he cant seem to make

it that far. then there is the issue of him not wiping himself very good and

getting disgusted should his hands slip through the toilet paper. questions

here are is this connected to him having his gallbladder out? hirsphrungs

disease? or are we dealing with something that he can help. he has this

problem at home and when we are out too so i know its not just a school

issue. do i need to have him checked down there for possible medical

reasons?

any and all responses will be greatly appreciated.

kerrie

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Kerrie,

I would get him back in to see the doctor about his accidents. It could very

well be a medical problem. Meanwhile, the school just needs to deal with it.

It's shameful that he is so far away from the restroom at school. Just send in

clean clothes and maybe some wet ones for him to use.

It also sounds like he is not in the appropriate placement. He should be

receiving academics and be included with his peers as much as possible. As far

as reading programs, there are some that are good for our kids. 's

teacher uses to Pro Ed series. There is another good one but I can't recall the

name of it offhand. He should also be in math, using a calculator to solve

problems. His writing skills should be addressed under his fine motor delays.

Handwriting without tears is a popular program. Recently I asked 's

teacher for more homework besides math sheets and reading words. We started

spelling words. He signs the word after I say it and I write it down the way he

finger spells it. For the words he misses, I have him write them out after he

completes spelling the words he can spell correctly. He loves doing this. He

had a science project the other day. He had to have me take a piece of ice and

hold it over a candle and then tell me what happened. Well, he was so fixated

on blowing out the candle that we didn't complete it. I went back and did

another piece of it last night and he did it.

About fieldtrips versus academics....I don't agree with fieldtrips unless all

the kids go. Too often the Special Ed students are singled out and put in a

program that includes community life skills. I maintain my opinion that for

most of our kids, that is a parents job, duty, love or whatever and should be

discouraged. Besides, when I have seen students out at the mall or wherever, I

don't really see any skills being taught. Teachers order for the kids, tell

them what to do, when to eat, what to eat, etc. I'd prefer to see 1:1 work with

a teacher or assistant helping a student fill out a job application, making

choices, looking at clothes and for girls, trying out the cosmetics. I've never

seen that done with a group of Special Ed students.

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In a message dated 02/06/2002 8:47:12 AM Eastern Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

<< So it is possible to learn to read at any time if one keeps working at it?

Ted can not read yet and doesn't recognize many words with regularity other

than his name. >>

I just don't want to see parents and teachers give up. I know children who

were labeled " never read " and then they switched teachers or programs and

guess what.... they started down the reading track. I am sure there are some

kids that will never learn to read ( and language deficeits can play a big

part of this!)

but I think academics should be part of every child's program until they

leave school.

Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 2/6/02 7:48:54 AM Canada Central Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> So it is possible to learn to read at any time if one keeps working at it?

> Ted can not read yet and doesn't recognize many words with regularity other

> than his name.

Hi Gail,

Ted is still young and personally I'd see no reason to throw in the towel on

reading yet. There may be a time when you decide that he probably is not

going to ever get it but that would be when he's older I would think. Since

he does recognize some words he should still be given the oppertunity to

learn now and in the future. Hey, ask and see if they have the program pix

writer. It uses a picture over the word and the kids can write with it.

mary used it for the first time this past week and really enjoyed it. :-)

Joy

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In a message dated 2/6/02 5:48:53 AM Pacific Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> So it is possible to learn to read at any time if one keeps working at it?

> Ted can not read yet and doesn't recognize many words with regularity other

> than his name. Ted is in an academic setting, but still invited to all the

> bowling and eating lunch field trips that the higher needs classroom goes

> on. I only let him go on field trips that the kids in the " regular "

> education setting go to. I do let him go swimming once a week at the Y.

> Gail, mom to Ted (10)

>

I was talking to my mother about this thread today at lunch and she made a

good point. If it takes our kids more repetition to learn these academics

then they should be the last ones to be pulled out for other activities.

Gail, I " m not trying to make a commentary on Ted going swimming. I personally

think physical education is crucial for our kids to keep them healthy though

out their lives.

Karyn

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Kerrie,

Sheila will be 15 years old in April. She is currently in 8th grade and she

will remain in our local school with some classes in the resource room, some

in the regular classroom. She is not reading yet and the core classes are

spent in the resource room. She loves science and social studies and

participates at her level with the other 7 or 8 children. Most of them have

learning disabilities, but are kids that are basically just like any typical

child in the school. There is one other child with DS and one other child

with a cognitive delay (more delay than the LD students, but she is reading).

Reading and math she works with her para primarily on a variety of programs.

One morning a week she walks across the street (small town america) to the

church there that runs a senior meals program. She sets tables, folds napkins

and does other simple tasks--kind of a job site type program our school has

set up for her.

In NY state once the child turns 14 the IEP team most show some transitional

goals and objectives. I would not be happy with the program you are

describing that your son is attending right now. Forrest and I are leaning

towards keeping Sheila in the district for at least the next 2 years,

possibly until she is 18 and than starting a vocational training program that

is available (but not in our district--it would mean shipping her offsite,

but she would be going with other students from our district, some of her

current classmates).

nancy

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In a message dated 2/6/2002 6:48:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

gboughton@... writes:

> Ted can not read yet and doesn't recognize many words with regularity other

> than his name.

Gail, what program are they using to teach Ted to read? It really makes a

difference. Our kids learn differently. It's important to teach them

differently.

When Maverick was ready to start I choose a few sight words and worked on

them. Then I made books using a poloroid camera. The first book was

" Jump " and consisted of pictures of Mav and his sister on the trampoline.

One page would read, " Maverick can jump. " The next page was, " Shalana can

jump. " Very simple. I think I used only 6 or 7 words in the whole book.

The next book was " Ball " and used him and his brothers playing basketball.

When I had him reading here at home, the school started him reading at

school. He would take his books to school and read to the class and he

really enjoyed that.

I would insist that they continue to teach Ted to read and just try other

programs.

Good luck,

[Guest guest]

I am curious about what we all consider " reading. " Do you see your child as

reading if they are able to recognize and say words that they are familiar

with, have been taught or use often or do you mean able to pick up any

article or book, etc., and read what is written?

I know I sound dense here, but guilty by association sometimes I need to have

things clarified to know what someone is speaking about when it comes to our

learning disabled children.

My Breezy can read all of the words that she has been taught as well as many

that she is around and has become familiar with. She recognized 29 Dolce

words on her last testing, that is up from 8 at the first of the year. I

started her with the flash cards and by making books suggested in Teaching

Reading .... and by teaching the educators to modify the regular ed

curriculum to allow her to sight learn some of the words on the reg ed

spelling list each week. I would love to say that she will someday simply

" read " whatever she chooses or what I offer her, but who knows. For now I am

thrilled at each accomplishment.

She is now on her third reader since the Christmas break and although the

darn things are very simple and hard to get excited to read, to hear her read

those words with her sweet little voice and to hear the way she works to add

tone and volume to each sentence makes me smile so proudly.

I spoke to a friend the other day who has a son, 49 who has Down syndrome and

she said you know I learn something new every day and I don't expect anything

less for Bubba and never will. I am hoping to see that with Breezy, that she

will always learn.

God Bless, GW

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In a message dated 2/6/02 5:34:19 PM Canada Central Standard Time,

lisa@... writes:

> Someone else had an idea on this list a few months ago. Try telex on the the

> tele....He may start to learn by

> " assimilation " .

>

Using the captioning doesn't work when ya have a 15 yo tv. hehe. :-) I do

have it on in the bedroom. So Gail if your tv is new enough set it for the

closed captioning to be on. :-)

Joy

PS Lise...you're still here? LOL

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In a message dated 2/6/2002 7:02:43 PM Eastern Standard Time,

JTesmer799@... writes:

> So Gail if your tv is new enough set it for the

> closed captioning to be on. :-)

>

> One of my friends swears this is why her daughter reads so well! They

> still keep CC on even now and her daughter is in high school.

> Cheryl in VA

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In a message dated 2/6/2002 7:16:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, huie@...

writes:

> > I am curious about what we all consider " reading. " Do you see your child

> as

> > reading if they are able to recognize and say words that they are familiar

> > with, have been taught or use often or do you mean able to pick up any

> > article or book, etc., and read what is written?

>

My daughter can pick up anything and read. She LOVES to read Teen People

or People magazines, Seventeen Magazine, the TV guide, and parts of the

paper. Right now she is reading Chicken Soup for the Teenage Soul. Her

literature choice is fiction books based on TV shows she loves, like Buffey

the Vampire Slayer

(bleech)

Cheryl in VA

[Guest guest]

Someone else had an idea on this list a few months ago. Try telex on the the

tele....He may start to learn by

" assimilation " .

When BJ was younger we used to have a photo album with the pictures of everyday

things in there: toys, mum, dad,

, apple, cup etc. We had a 4 photos top a page book. One the top one we

put the word ( printed up on the 'puter

in Arial Bold to make it clear) and put the photo underneath. Maybe this can

help too????

JTesmer799@... wrote:

> In a message dated 2/6/02 7:48:54 AM Canada Central Standard Time,

> gboughton@... writes:

>

> > So it is possible to learn to read at any time if one keeps working at it?

> > Ted can not read yet and doesn't recognize many words with regularity other

> > than his name.

>

> Hi Gail,

> Ted is still young and personally I'd see no reason to throw in the towel on

> reading yet. There may be a time when you decide that he probably is not

> going to ever get it but that would be when he's older I would think. Since

> he does recognize some words he should still be given the oppertunity to

> learn now and in the future. Hey, ask and see if they have the program pix

> writer. It uses a picture over the word and the kids can write with it.

> mary used it for the first time this past week and really enjoyed it. :-)

>

> Joy

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: help

> I am curious about what we all consider " reading. " Do you see your child

as

> reading if they are able to recognize and say words that they are familiar

> with, have been taught or use often or do you mean able to pick up any

> article or book, etc., and read what is written?

I fully expect that will be able to pick up a magazine, or a chosen

book and read and understand what is written. Will she be able to read

anything and everything? I really don't know, but my goal for her is to be

able to read and understand what she has read, and to be able to read for

employment and enjoyment. She is reading on a strong 1st grade level and

her teacher fully expects her to advance. Sight words are one way she

learns words, she also takes Accelerated Reading tests at her school that

test her comprehension.

Sharon

Mom to (10, DS) and (6)