Re: How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

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Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

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- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

[Guest guest]

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

My husband and I decided that we were not giving vaccinations anymore for our 5 year old son after he started having many problems after every single one of them. Our school had us sign a paper stating that we agree that if an out break of some kind happened that he would be kept out of school till they deemed it safe to return. We figured its a small price to pay considering the alternative. (From the time he turned 4 months old and had his 4 month shots he problems with with them. It seemed he lost a skill with every shot. We have worked to hard to regain alot of these skills I won't take the chance.)

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

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Hi - Thank you for sharing the solution that you and your school came up with. I feel so lucky because my son never seemed to have an adverse reaction to vaccinations. Then again, he had his first vaccination at less than 24 hours old in the hospital, so I tell myself I never really saw my son before vaccinations. But I have heard numerous stories like yours that point to vaccines as being at least harmful to children on the spectrum. It makes me think that "autism" really is more than one metabolic disorder.

Letting my son get the polio and DTaP vaccinations was one of the hardest decisions I have ever made. I kept telling myself that I have never seen him have an adverse reaction, and that there was no more thimerosal in the vaccines in my doctor's office. Even then I had to go on the internet and see images of children who had contracted polio and diphtheria. That was the turning point for me. At that point, even the argument that there were no more cases of wild polio in North America could have dissuaded me. And wouldn't you know it, that's when my son surprised me by walking up behind me and asking what I was looking at. I almost turned off the monitor and changed the subject, but I realized that the vaccinations were going to affect him more than me, so I took a deep breath and told him that they were pictures of children with polio. How sad. Would he like to get polio? Of course he said no! Then I told him that our doctor had a vaccine, a shot, that could protect him from polio. Let me tell you, I never thought that I would see my son willing take a shot, but he did even though it hurt, and he told the nurse a couple of times that he didn't want to get polio!!

Had my son had an adverse reaction to those shots, had he regressed at all afterwards, I never would have forgiven myself. Back when he was younger, I didn't know what I know now. I didn't know that there was mercury in his vaccines. And we didn't have Wakefield's research about MMR in the gut. So I can forgive myself that he had so many vaccinations in such a short period of time when he was a baby and a toddler.

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi ,

My husband and I decided that we were not giving vaccinations anymore for our 5 year old son after he started having many problems after every single one of them. Our school had us sign a paper stating that we agree that if an out break of some kind happened that he would be kept out of school till they deemed it safe to return. We figured its a small price to pay considering the alternative. (From the time he turned 4 months old and had his 4 month shots he problems with with them. It seemed he lost a skill with every shot. We have worked to hard to regain alot of these skills I won't take the chance.)

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

[Guest guest]

Thanks , we can relate to what you said. We lost a lot of skills and are just now to the point where we have them back. No way are we taking another chance with it. She does not go to school for over another year, but we want to be prepared to do whatever it takes. Thanks again for sharing your story, it was helpful

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi - Thank you for sharing the solution that you and your school came up with. I feel so lucky because my son never seemed to have an adverse reaction to vaccinations. Then again, he had his first vaccination at less than 24 hours old in the hospital, so I tell myself I never really saw my son before vaccinations. But I have heard numerous stories like yours that point to vaccines as being at least harmful to children on the spectrum. It makes me think that "autism" really is more than one metabolic disorder.

Letting my son get the polio and DTaP vaccinations was one of the hardest decisions I have ever made. I kept telling myself that I have never seen him have an adverse reaction, and that there was no more thimerosal in the vaccines in my doctor's office. Even then I had to go on the internet and see images of children who had contracted polio and diphtheria. That was the turning point for me. At that point, even the argument that there were no more cases of wild polio in North America could have dissuaded me. And wouldn't you know it, that's when my son surprised me by walking up behind me and asking what I was looking at. I almost turned off the monitor and changed the subject, but I realized that the vaccinations were going to affect him more than me, so I took a deep breath and told him that they were pictures of children with polio. How sad. Would he like to get polio? Of course he said no! Then I told him that our doctor had a vaccine, a shot, that could protect him from polio. Let me tell you, I never thought that I would see my son willing take a shot, but he did even though it hurt, and he told the nurse a couple of times that he didn't want to get polio!!

Had my son had an adverse reaction to those shots, had he regressed at all afterwards, I never would have forgiven myself. Back when he was younger, I didn't know what I know now. I didn't know that there was mercury in his vaccines. And we didn't have Wakefield's research about MMR in the gut. So I can forgive myself that he had so many vaccinations in such a short period of time when he was a baby and a toddler.

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi ,

My husband and I decided that we were not giving vaccinations anymore for our 5 year old son after he started having many problems after every single one of them. Our school had us sign a paper stating that we agree that if an out break of some kind happened that he would be kept out of school till they deemed it safe to return. We figured its a small price to pay considering the alternative. (From the time he turned 4 months old and had his 4 month shots he problems with with them. It seemed he lost a skill with every shot. We have worked to hard to regain alot of these skills I won't take the chance.)

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

[Guest guest]

:

We did know about the mercury in the vaccines. We did ask her pediatrician not to give her the multi dose vaccines. And he sat in my dining room bouncing our baby on his lap and promised not to give her the vaccines with mercury in them.

But we did not follow the nurse with the syringe and see what vial she was taking them out of. We did not ask to see the package insert. But when we checked later, she had been given the multi dose vaccines with mercury in them.

Ours is 4.5 and it has been an uphill struggle, but we finally have her where she was prior to the poison---not doing that again.

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi - Thank you for sharing the solution that you and your school came up with. I feel so lucky because my son never seemed to have an adverse reaction to vaccinations. Then again, he had his first vaccination at less than 24 hours old in the hospital, so I tell myself I never really saw my son before vaccinations. But I have heard numerous stories like yours that point to vaccines as being at least harmful to children on the spectrum. It makes me think that "autism" really is more than one metabolic disorder.

Letting my son get the polio and DTaP vaccinations was one of the hardest decisions I have ever made. I kept telling myself that I have never seen him have an adverse reaction, and that there was no more thimerosal in the vaccines in my doctor's office. Even then I had to go on the internet and see images of children who had contracted polio and diphtheria. That was the turning point for me. At that point, even the argument that there were no more cases of wild polio in North America could have dissuaded me. And wouldn't you know it, that's when my son surprised me by walking up behind me and asking what I was looking at. I almost turned off the monitor and changed the subject, but I realized that the vaccinations were going to affect him more than me, so I took a deep breath and told him that they were pictures of children with polio. How sad. Would he like to get polio? Of course he said no! Then I told him that our doctor had a vaccine, a shot, that could protect him from polio. Let me tell you, I never thought that I would see my son willing take a shot, but he did even though it hurt, and he told the nurse a couple of times that he didn't want to get polio!!

Had my son had an adverse reaction to those shots, had he regressed at all afterwards, I never would have forgiven myself. Back when he was younger, I didn't know what I know now. I didn't know that there was mercury in his vaccines. And we didn't have Wakefield's research about MMR in the gut. So I can forgive myself that he had so many vaccinations in such a short period of time when he was a baby and a toddler.

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi ,

My husband and I decided that we were not giving vaccinations anymore for our 5 year old son after he started having many problems after every single one of them. Our school had us sign a paper stating that we agree that if an out break of some kind happened that he would be kept out of school till they deemed it safe to return. We figured its a small price to pay considering the alternative. (From the time he turned 4 months old and had his 4 month shots he problems with with them. It seemed he lost a skill with every shot. We have worked to hard to regain alot of these skills I won't take the chance.)

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

[Guest guest]

- I am so sorry about what happened! And I am so glad that your daughter has caught up to where she was before! It is so easy for a health professional to make a mistake that will affect the rest of a person's life. And vaccines are so routine! Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 11:20 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

:

We did know about the mercury in the vaccines. We did ask her pediatrician not to give her the multi dose vaccines. And he sat in my dining room bouncing our baby on his lap and promised not to give her the vaccines with mercury in them.

But we did not follow the nurse with the syringe and see what vial she was taking them out of. We did not ask to see the package insert. But when we checked later, she had been given the multi dose vaccines with mercury in them.

Ours is 4.5 and it has been an uphill struggle, but we finally have her where she was prior to the poison---not doing that again.

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 10:55 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi - Thank you for sharing the solution that you and your school came up with. I feel so lucky because my son never seemed to have an adverse reaction to vaccinations. Then again, he had his first vaccination at less than 24 hours old in the hospital, so I tell myself I never really saw my son before vaccinations. But I have heard numerous stories like yours that point to vaccines as being at least harmful to children on the spectrum. It makes me think that "autism" really is more than one metabolic disorder.

Letting my son get the polio and DTaP vaccinations was one of the hardest decisions I have ever made. I kept telling myself that I have never seen him have an adverse reaction, and that there was no more thimerosal in the vaccines in my doctor's office. Even then I had to go on the internet and see images of children who had contracted polio and diphtheria. That was the turning point for me. At that point, even the argument that there were no more cases of wild polio in North America could have dissuaded me. And wouldn't you know it, that's when my son surprised me by walking up behind me and asking what I was looking at. I almost turned off the monitor and changed the subject, but I realized that the vaccinations were going to affect him more than me, so I took a deep breath and told him that they were pictures of children with polio. How sad. Would he like to get polio? Of course he said no! Then I told him that our doctor had a vaccine, a shot, that could protect him from polio. Let me tell you, I never thought that I would see my son willing take a shot, but he did even though it hurt, and he told the nurse a couple of times that he didn't want to get polio!!

Had my son had an adverse reaction to those shots, had he regressed at all afterwards, I never would have forgiven myself. Back when he was younger, I didn't know what I know now. I didn't know that there was mercury in his vaccines. And we didn't have Wakefield's research about MMR in the gut. So I can forgive myself that he had so many vaccinations in such a short period of time when he was a baby and a toddler.

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi ,

My husband and I decided that we were not giving vaccinations anymore for our 5 year old son after he started having many problems after every single one of them. Our school had us sign a paper stating that we agree that if an out break of some kind happened that he would be kept out of school till they deemed it safe to return. We figured its a small price to pay considering the alternative. (From the time he turned 4 months old and had his 4 month shots he problems with with them. It seemed he lost a skill with every shot. We have worked to hard to regain alot of these skills I won't take the chance.)

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

[Guest guest]

I'll tell you it was so hard to make the choice to not have this next round of shots. My husband and I talked for weeks about it. We pulled out the baby book and looked at the milestones and what I had wrote the day of the shots and even a week after each set of shots. (At the time I didn't realize writing all that was going to be so important) Of course my doctor assures me that he will be fine if we give him his next round but we are convinced that his little body can't handle it. He still has loose stoles and I am not sure if thats a heavy metals or is it intestine issues. I have been talking to our doctor about testing for metals. Have you had metal testing done for you son?

Our insurance does not cover Dr. Lonsdale or any of the other doctors doing the alternative medicine.

Do you notice any foods that cause a reaction in your child? I notice when Dylan has something that his body rejects he loses all self control and his emotions. I was just wondering if you have noticed any of the same things.

Talk soon,

The Marotta Family <marottafamily@...> wrote:

Hi - Thank you for sharing the solution that you and your school came up with. I feel so lucky because my son never seemed to have an adverse reaction to vaccinations. Then again, he had his first vaccination at less than 24 hours old in the hospital, so I tell myself I never really saw my son before vaccinations. But I have heard numerous stories like yours that point to vaccines as being at least harmful to children on the spectrum. It makes me think that "autism" really is more than one metabolic disorder.

Letting my son get the polio and DTaP vaccinations was one of the hardest decisions I have ever made. I kept telling myself that I have never seen him have an adverse reaction, and that there was no more thimerosal in the vaccines in my doctor's office. Even then I had to go on the internet and see images of children who had contracted polio and diphtheria. That was the turning point for me. At that point, even the argument that there were no more cases of wild polio in North America could have dissuaded me. And wouldn't you know it, that's when my son surprised me by walking up behind me and asking what I was looking at. I almost turned off the monitor and changed the subject, but I realized that the vaccinations were going to affect him more than me, so I took a deep breath and told him that they were pictures of children with polio. How sad. Would he like to get polio? Of course he said no! Then I

told him that our doctor had a vaccine, a shot, that could protect him from polio. Let me tell you, I never thought that I would see my son willing take a shot, but he did even though it hurt, and he told the nurse a couple of times that he didn't want to get polio!!

Had my son had an adverse reaction to those shots, had he regressed at all afterwards, I never would have forgiven myself. Back when he was younger, I didn't know what I know now. I didn't know that there was mercury in his vaccines. And we didn't have Wakefield's research about MMR in the gut. So I can forgive myself that he had so many vaccinations in such a short period of time when he was a baby and a toddler.

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi ,

My husband and I decided that we were not giving vaccinations anymore for our 5 year old son after he started having many problems after every single one of them. Our school had us sign a paper stating that we agree that if an out break of some kind happened that he would be kept out of school till they deemed it safe to return. We figured its a small price to pay considering the alternative. (From the time he turned 4 months old and had his 4 month shots he problems with with them. It seemed he lost a skill with every shot. We have worked to hard to regain alot of these skills I won't take the chance.)

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

- Hold onto that baby book!! Who is going to take care of your son for the next 18 years, 30 years, etc., if your son is not fine after the next round of shots? The doctor? He'll have retired early and moved to a golf community down south. He'll say, " who? Dylan who? Never heard of them!" I've never had metals testing on my child, but from what I hear, if a child has too much mercury, it doesn't necessarily show up in the test results. Those tests would be baselines, and then you'd have to test his hair from when the chelation was done. If chelation is working, you'd see heavy metals coming out (I think).

A doctor we saw that Cigna didn't pay for but Blue Cross Blue Shield did was Dr. Waickman (in Akron), an allergist. He helped us with our diet. We did an elimination diet with him because my son was reacting to more than gluten and casein. (We did see a tremendous improvement on the GFCF diet - our son became more social, alert and verbal). But on the elimination diet (a temporary diet that lasts maybe 2 weeks), we discovered that our son reacted to corn, carrageenan and methyl cellulose. And Dr. Waickman explained that he had an intolerance to gluten and casein but the corn etc were true allergies, and that he might outgrow the allergies in time. I always attributed the allergies to my son's leaky gut. The gut allowed longer peptide chains into the bloodstream where antibodies formed. And Dr. Waickman said that he might become allergic to other foods in the future.

Dr Waickman does more than just diets - helps with vitamins and other therapies.

, to be completely honest with you, when my son is sick (e.g. if he has strep and can't keep any food down), he is practically "normal". That's how my husband and I knew there was more going on than just GFCF. In fact, I am thinking we'll have to try the elimination diet again to see if he has developed any more allergies. When he has something on the forbidden list, he has 2 reactions. First he will have intestinal pain, etc, and secondly, he has behavioral issues - can't control his emotions similar to your son.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to heal the gut? Any therapies that have helped your child?

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

I'll tell you it was so hard to make the choice to not have this next round of shots. My husband and I talked for weeks about it. We pulled out the baby book and looked at the milestones and what I had wrote the day of the shots and even a week after each set of shots. (At the time I didn't realize writing all that was going to be so important) Of course my doctor assures me that he will be fine if we give him his next round but we are convinced that his little body can't handle it. He still has loose stoles and I am not sure if thats a heavy metals or is it intestine issues. I have been talking to our doctor about testing for metals. Have you had metal testing done for you son?

Our insurance does not cover Dr. Lonsdale or any of the other doctors doing the alternative medicine.

Do you notice any foods that cause a reaction in your child? I notice when Dylan has something that his body rejects he loses all self control and his emotions. I was just wondering if you have noticed any of the same things.

Talk soon,

The Marotta Family <marottafamily@...> wrote:

Hi - Thank you for sharing the solution that you and your school came up with. I feel so lucky because my son never seemed to have an adverse reaction to vaccinations. Then again, he had his first vaccination at less than 24 hours old in the hospital, so I tell myself I never really saw my son before vaccinations. But I have heard numerous stories like yours that point to vaccines as being at least harmful to children on the spectrum. It makes me think that "autism" really is more than one metabolic disorder.

Letting my son get the polio and DTaP vaccinations was one of the hardest decisions I have ever made. I kept telling myself that I have never seen him have an adverse reaction, and that there was no more thimerosal in the vaccines in my doctor's office. Even then I had to go on the internet and see images of children who had contracted polio and diphtheria. That was the turning point for me. At that point, even the argument that there were no more cases of wild polio in North America could have dissuaded me. And wouldn't you know it, that's when my son surprised me by walking up behind me and asking what I was looking at. I almost turned off the monitor and changed the subject, but I realized that the vaccinations were going to affect him more than me, so I took a deep breath and told him that they were pictures of children with polio. How sad. Would he like to get polio? Of course he said no! Then I told him that our doctor had a vaccine, a shot, that could protect him from polio. Let me tell you, I never thought that I would see my son willing take a shot, but he did even though it hurt, and he told the nurse a couple of times that he didn't want to get polio!!

Had my son had an adverse reaction to those shots, had he regressed at all afterwards, I never would have forgiven myself. Back when he was younger, I didn't know what I know now. I didn't know that there was mercury in his vaccines. And we didn't have Wakefield's research about MMR in the gut. So I can forgive myself that he had so many vaccinations in such a short period of time when he was a baby and a toddler.

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi ,

My husband and I decided that we were not giving vaccinations anymore for our 5 year old son after he started having many problems after every single one of them. Our school had us sign a paper stating that we agree that if an out break of some kind happened that he would be kept out of school till they deemed it safe to return. We figured its a small price to pay considering the alternative. (From the time he turned 4 months old and had his 4 month shots he problems with with them. It seemed he lost a skill with every shot. We have worked to hard to regain alot of these skills I won't take the chance.)

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

Wow I can't believe how so many people I have talked to have close to the same stories. Dylan is allergic to peanuts, eggs, banannas, and pollen. I think he also has a reaction to most yogurts but the tests say no allergy per say to it. When he was a baby my breast milk was to harsh for him ( I love milk think thats why) We tried alot of formulas for him till we found the right one. I noticed the same thing you did when he does not eat due to illness he seems more in sync than when he eats the few things he likes. (picky eater) Thanks you for asking the question If any one has suggestions me let us know.

The Marotta Family <marottafamily@...> wrote:

- Hold onto that baby book!! Who is going to take care of your son for the next 18 years, 30 years, etc., if your son is not fine after the next round of shots? The doctor? He'll have retired early and moved to a golf community down south. He'll say, " who? Dylan who? Never heard of them!" I've never had metals testing on my child, but from what I hear, if a child has too much mercury, it doesn't necessarily show up in the test results. Those tests would be baselines, and then you'd have to test his hair from when the chelation was done. If chelation is working, you'd see heavy metals coming out (I think).

A doctor we saw that Cigna didn't pay for but Blue Cross Blue Shield did was Dr. Waickman (in Akron), an allergist. He helped us with our diet. We did an elimination diet with him because my son was reacting to more than gluten and casein. (We did see a tremendous improvement on the GFCF diet - our son became more social, alert and verbal). But on the elimination diet (a temporary diet that lasts maybe 2 weeks), we discovered that our son reacted to corn, carrageenan and methyl cellulose. And Dr. Waickman explained that he had an intolerance to gluten and casein but the corn etc were true allergies, and that he might outgrow the allergies in time. I always attributed the allergies to my son's leaky gut. The gut allowed longer peptide chains into the bloodstream where antibodies formed. And Dr. Waickman said that he might become allergic to other foods in the future.

Dr Waickman does more than just diets - helps with vitamins and other therapies.

, to be completely honest with you, when my son is sick (e.g. if he has strep and can't keep any food down), he is practically "normal". That's how my husband and I knew there was more going on than just GFCF. In fact, I am thinking we'll have to try the elimination diet again to see if he has developed any more allergies. When he has something on the forbidden list, he has 2 reactions. First he will have intestinal pain, etc, and secondly, he has behavioral issues - can't control his emotions similar to your son.

Does anyone have any ideas on how to heal the gut? Any therapies that have helped your child?

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2005 4:13 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

I'll tell you it was so hard to make the choice to not have this next round of shots. My husband and I talked for weeks about it. We pulled out the baby book and looked at the milestones and what I had wrote the day of the shots and even a week after each set of shots. (At the time I didn't realize writing all that was going to be so important) Of course my doctor assures me that he will be fine if we give him his next round but we are convinced that his little body can't handle it. He still has loose stoles and I am not sure if thats a heavy metals or is it intestine issues. I have been talking to our doctor about testing for metals. Have you had metal testing done for you son?

Our insurance does not cover Dr. Lonsdale or any of the other doctors doing the alternative medicine.

Do you notice any foods that cause a reaction in your child? I notice when Dylan has something that his body rejects he loses all self control and his emotions. I was just wondering if you have noticed any of the same things.

Talk soon,

The Marotta Family <marottafamily@...> wrote:

Hi - Thank you for sharing the solution that you and your school came up with. I feel so lucky because my son never seemed to have an adverse reaction to vaccinations. Then again, he had his first vaccination at less than 24 hours old in the hospital, so I tell myself I never really saw my son before vaccinations. But I have heard numerous stories like yours that point to vaccines as being at least harmful to children on the spectrum. It makes me think that "autism" really is more than one metabolic disorder.

Letting my son get the polio and DTaP vaccinations was one of the hardest decisions I have ever made. I kept telling myself that I have never seen him have an adverse reaction, and that there was no more thimerosal in the vaccines in my doctor's office. Even then I had to go on the internet and see images of children who had contracted polio and diphtheria. That was the turning point for me. At that point, even the argument that there were no more cases of wild polio in North America could have dissuaded me. And wouldn't you know it, that's when my son surprised me by walking up behind me and asking what I was looking at. I almost turned off the monitor and changed the subject, but I realized that the vaccinations were going to affect him more than me, so I took a deep breath and told him that they were pictures of children with polio. How sad. Would he like to get polio? Of course he said no! Then I

told him that our doctor had a vaccine, a shot, that could protect him from polio. Let me tell you, I never thought that I would see my son willing take a shot, but he did even though it hurt, and he told the nurse a couple of times that he didn't want to get polio!!

Had my son had an adverse reaction to those shots, had he regressed at all afterwards, I never would have forgiven myself. Back when he was younger, I didn't know what I know now. I didn't know that there was mercury in his vaccines. And we didn't have Wakefield's research about MMR in the gut. So I can forgive myself that he had so many vaccinations in such a short period of time when he was a baby and a toddler.

----- Original Message -----

From: Biehl

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:16 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Hi ,

My husband and I decided that we were not giving vaccinations anymore for our 5 year old son after he started having many problems after every single one of them. Our school had us sign a paper stating that we agree that if an out break of some kind happened that he would be kept out of school till they deemed it safe to return. We figured its a small price to pay considering the alternative. (From the time he turned 4 months old and had his 4 month shots he problems with with them. It seemed he lost a skill with every shot. We have worked to hard to regain alot of these skills I won't take the chance.)

Cochran <Ladyshrink111@...> wrote:

Thanks , we plan to get her titers checked, but was wondering if anyone from NE Ohio ever had the school give them any problems if the titers proved immunity. My daughter is anxious about it.

Thanks,

----- Original Message -----

From: The Marotta Family

Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2005 8:58 AM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

- My husband and I didn't seek an exemption for our son, now 6, but we did have titers measured for measles, mumps, and rubella. The levels showed that he was immune to these diseases and our doctor wrote a note indicating such. The note was acceptable with the school nurse. I finally decided to let my son have the last polio and DTaP shots, and he had no noticable reaction to them, but he wore the bandaids for about a week! Refused to take them off! : )

I don't know what your daughter's physician thinks of vaccinations, or what you think of biomedical interventions, but had I decided to not to give my son the last 2 shots and had my son's physician given us a problem over it (which I doubt he would have), my plan would have been to visit Dr. DeMio, a DAN doctor in Cuyahoga County. I had spoken to him previously, and he seemed extremely sympathetic toward parents who felt vaccines damaged their child. My impression is that he would be willing to write a medical exemption.

Another mother in my son's preschool had a philosophical exemption. She just wrote a note stating that she philosophically opposed to vaccinations. I'm afraid I am not aware of the details of such.

Please let us know how it goes! If the school gives you trouble, maybe the list can do some research with you and help you out!!

Marotta

----- Original Message -----

From: Cochran

Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005 11:45 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] How to write into our Group - Weekly Reminder, 5/21/2005, 12:00 am

Listmates:

We have decided that our 4.5 year old little girl will not receive any more vaccinations. I am anxious to hear from anyone who has exempted themselves from further vaccinations and how that went.

What type of exemption did you have?

Did the schools give you any trouble?

Thanks so much,

__________________________________________________