Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Hi do you or anyone else know what Dr G thinks of ABA? does he approve? not that i think it is wrong i am in the process of setting up a home program. Rifat --- btobin <btobin1759@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Thanks , I think I will send her a request for info too. I have had a number of replys which I have forwarded on to my friend who was asked by the board for the info. I find it very interesting that they are asking for info on the very issue that we and two other families in town are fighting the same board on. We want ABA for our kids in school and the board is saying no. It sure will be interesting to see what this leads to. Barb Re: ABA > Hey Barb, > Here's Marg Spoelstra's contact numbers. I don't know if you have ever > spoken with her, but she is an excellent resource. > > ......................................... > Margaret Spoelstra > Executive Director > Autism Society Ontario > 1179A King Street West, Suite 004 > Toronto, ON M6K 3C5 > 416-246-9592 x22 > marg@... > www.autismsociety.on.ca > Member, ASD-CARC (Autism > Spectrum Disorders - > Canadian-American Research Consortium): > www.autismresearch.ca > > > > > > > Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with > the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the > opinion of the Research Institute. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 Hi Rifat, Dr. Goldberg prefers Dr. Stanley Greenspan's Floortime technique to Lovaas's ABA, but my feeling is, parents have to do what works best for their individual child. My son's new behavior interventionist uses both techniques with him. Donna Re: Re: ABA Hi do you or anyone else know what Dr G thinks of ABA? does he approve? not that i think it is wrong i am in the process of setting up a home program. Rifat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2003 Report Share Posted January 28, 2003 > Hi Rifat, > > Dr. Goldberg prefers Dr. Stanley Greenspan's Floortime technique to Lovaas's ABA, So is that an official position then? A.C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 Hi Ri, I don't think Dr.G is particularly fond of ABA, but then I think his initial contact was seeing Lovaas first hand, when there was a lot of room for improvement. I have found it extremely helpful for , but it might not be for every child. Some may respond better to floortime or other types of therapies. If it's done properly your daughter can have great results. I feel that helps heal the child physically and ABA helps to retrain what the child has lost, kind of like physio for a stroke patient. Best of luck setting up a program. Did you ever find the ME List? Re: ABA > > > > Hey Barb, > > Here's Marg Spoelstra's contact numbers. I don't > know if you have ever > > spoken with her, but she is an excellent resource. > > > > ......................................... > > Margaret Spoelstra > > Executive Director > > Autism Society Ontario > > 1179A King Street West, Suite 004 > > Toronto, ON M6K 3C5 > > 416-246-9592 x22 > > marg@... > > www.autismsociety.on.ca > > Member, ASD-CARC (Autism > > Spectrum Disorders - > > Canadian-American Research Consortium): > > www.autismresearch.ca > >************************************************* Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2003 Report Share Posted January 29, 2003 > > Dr. Goldberg prefers Dr. Stanley Greenspan's Floortime technique to Lovaas's ABA, So is that an official position then? >>To my knowledge, there is no " official " position. ABA and Floortime are not medical issues, they are behavioral ones. Dr. Goldberg has an opinion on what he feels works best, just like everyone else. Donna Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2003 Report Share Posted January 30, 2003 No I didnt! but i got alot of info from Marcia. Here in the Uk it is a nightmare to even fing good therapist as so much people have not even heard of it. but we are starting secong week in Feb, and in March going to the tribunal to try to get Educational Authority to pay for it, they have NEVER done so in the past so we will have a fight on our hands but gotta try it (no pain no gain) How are you getting on speech etc? Rifat --- Doug McCreary <dmccreary@...> wrote: --------------------------------- Hi Ri, I don't think Dr.G is particularly fond of ABA, but then I think his initial contact was seeing Lovaas first hand, when there was a lot of room for improvement. I have found it extremely helpful for , but it might not be for every child. Some may respond better to floortime or other types of therapies. If it's done properly your daughter can have great results. I feel that helps heal the child physically and ABA helps to retrain what the child has lost, kind of like physio for a stroke patient. Best of luck setting up a program. Did you ever find the ME List? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 I've been running my own ABA program for over a year now. While I'm sure there a qualified therapists in the area to consult (one just moved to the area recently), I have found that there are enough resources (books, research articles, etc.) to give us (parents) the knowledge we need to run a good program (plus I ran out of money to pay the consultant-lol). In starting a program, it is a good idea to develop a curriculum. There are many resources to pull from when starting a curriculum. We started with Maurice's book mentioned in a couple posts and then moved to the book A Work in Progress. We also used Teach Me Language and a number of other resources from the Woodbine House series and Simon Baron-Cohen books (theory of mind principles). We also used Hooked On Phonics (the ABA method) to cover reading. Over the last year we used the ABLLS assessment to develop programming as well. All children (including NT children) can benefit from an ABA program. We incorporate ABA in everything we do (ABA is not just DTT, it is also direct teaching and incidental teaching). We attempt to teach our children (and motiviate them) using positive reinforcement. Also, we do use some other methods in our children's therapies (e.g., GFCF diet, vitamins, music therapy, speech therapy, and occupational therapy). Anyway, with all that said, I would recommend ABA to all children on the spectrum regardless of where they fall on the spectrum. Doing it yourself is time consuming; however, if you cannot afford a consultant (and the school won't pay), it may be the only option. Just my thoughts. Thanks. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 Couldn't agree more...another area/book/resource that is packed with info is: Individualized Goal Selection Curriculum By: G. Romancyzk. Ph.D., Lockshin. Ph.D., M.Ed., Matey. M.Ed. 1996. We also use ABLLs, etc., etc. We started our program last April and use a consultant as well as trying to be our own son's best consultant. The knowledge is out there but like anything else is takes a lot of valuable resources including time. Like many others have said, line your team with the best you can get and let the rest of the issues go. There are only two types of problems as I have been told. The kind you can do something about and the kind you cannot. For any that missed it and are looking to to as much ABA on their own that they can while on a waiting list or waiting to win the lottery check out: http://www.aba4autism.com/ his program encourages you to do what you learn with your child as you do it and provides a way for you to get feed-back from Dr. Brown. > > I've been running my own ABA program for over a year now. While I'm > sure there a qualified therapists in the area to consult (one just > moved to the area recently), I have found that there are enough > resources (books, research articles, etc.) to give us (parents) the > knowledge we need to run a good program (plus I ran out of money to > pay the consultant-lol). > > In starting a program, it is a good idea to develop a curriculum. > There are many resources to pull from when starting a curriculum. We > started with Maurice's book mentioned in a couple posts and > then moved to the book A Work in Progress. We also used Teach Me > Language and a number of other resources from the Woodbine House > series and Simon Baron-Cohen books (theory of mind principles). We > also used Hooked On Phonics (the ABA method) to cover reading. > > Over the last year we used the ABLLS assessment to develop > programming as well. > > All children (including NT children) can benefit from an ABA > program. We incorporate ABA in everything we do (ABA is not just > DTT, it is also direct teaching and incidental teaching). We attempt > to teach our children (and motiviate them) using positive > reinforcement. > > Also, we do use some other methods in our children's therapies (e.g., > GFCF diet, vitamins, music therapy, speech therapy, and occupational > therapy). > > Anyway, with all that said, I would recommend ABA to all children on > the spectrum regardless of where they fall on the spectrum. Doing it > yourself is time consuming; however, if you cannot afford a > consultant (and the school won't pay), it may be the only option. > > Just my thoughts. > > Thanks. > Debbie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 >All children (including NT children) can benefit from an ABA >program. ABA can work on husbands, too! Chris----- Original Message ----- From: ddzlaw Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:01 PMSubject: [ ] ABAI've been running my own ABA program for over a year now. While I'm sure there a qualified therapists in the area to consult (one just moved to the area recently), I have found that there are enough resources (books, research articles, etc.) to give us (parents) the knowledge we need to run a good program (plus I ran out of money to pay the consultant-lol).In starting a program, it is a good idea to develop a curriculum. There are many resources to pull from when starting a curriculum. We started with Maurice's book mentioned in a couple posts and then moved to the book A Work in Progress. We also used Teach Me Language and a number of other resources from the Woodbine House series and Simon Baron-Cohen books (theory of mind principles). We also used Hooked On Phonics (the ABA method) to cover reading. Over the last year we used the ABLLS assessment to develop programming as well. All children (including NT children) can benefit from an ABA program. We incorporate ABA in everything we do (ABA is not just DTT, it is also direct teaching and incidental teaching). We attempt to teach our children (and motiviate them) using positive reinforcement.Also, we do use some other methods in our children's therapies (e.g., GFCF diet, vitamins, music therapy, speech therapy, and occupational therapy). Anyway, with all that said, I would recommend ABA to all children on the spectrum regardless of where they fall on the spectrum. Doing it yourself is time consuming; however, if you cannot afford a consultant (and the school won't pay), it may be the only option.Just my thoughtsThanks.Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 I know that ABA can work on husbands, for certainty, like a charm. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Marotta Family Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 9:35 PM Subject: Re: [ ] ABA >All children (including NT children) can benefit from an ABA >program. ABA can work on husbands, too! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: ddzlaw Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:01 PM Subject: [ ] ABA I've been running my own ABA program for over a year now. While I'm sure there a qualified therapists in the area to consult (one just moved to the area recently), I have found that there are enough resources (books, research articles, etc.) to give us (parents) the knowledge we need to run a good program (plus I ran out of money to pay the consultant-lol).In starting a program, it is a good idea to develop a curriculum. There are many resources to pull from when starting a curriculum. We started with Maurice's book mentioned in a couple posts and then moved to the book A Work in Progress. We also used Teach Me Language and a number of other resources from the Woodbine House series and Simon Baron-Cohen books (theory of mind principles). We also used Hooked On Phonics (the ABA method) to cover reading. Over the last year we used the ABLLS assessment to develop programming as well. All children (including NT children) can benefit from an ABA program. We incorporate ABA in everything we do (ABA is not just DTT, it is also direct teaching and incidental teaching). We attempt to teach our children (and motiviate them) using positive reinforcement.Also, we do use some other methods in our children's therapies (e.g., GFCF diet, vitamins, music therapy, speech therapy, and occupational therapy). Anyway, with all that said, I would recommend ABA to all children on the spectrum regardless of where they fall on the spectrum. Doing it yourself is time consuming; however, if you cannot afford a consultant (and the school won't pay), it may be the only option.Just my thoughtsThanks.Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 In a message dated 5/21/2006 9:35:23 PM Eastern Standard Time, marottafamily@... writes: >All children (including NT children) can benefit from an ABA >program. ABA can work on husbands, too! Chris Some husbands before more slow to learn than others... Roxanna ô¿ôDon't take life too seriously; No one gets out alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2006 Report Share Posted July 13, 2006 state funded ABA programs are rare and more than likely aren't ABA programs, rather DTT programs which involve data taking. I would ask where they received their trng for ABA and how they were certified. Our local school district tries to pawn off a sad ECI program they have as 'ABA'. Unsure aboutthe laws in Canada - you might want to ck out a source available to parents in the US http://www.wrightslaw.com The s are spec ed lawyers and very good at what they do. Their website has alot of good information. They also have books available The important thing here in the US is to remember " meaningful documented progress " with IDEA and NCLB. doris land Posted by: " Rhoda Boyd " rboyd@... <mailto:rboyd@...?Subject=Re:%20Off-topic%3A%20ABA%20question> rjb1192002 <rjb1192002> Wed Jul 12, 2006 10:14 am (PST) Is it possible to have a child discharged from a state-funded ABA program for not progessing fast enough or for falling under the first percentile for their age on one of the tests psychologists do that I forget the name of (sorry). I'm just wondering what criteria would be used in the U.S. Here in Canada, our program is delivered by the provincial government. They don't want to provide services for children older than five years old so they are developing new criteria for discharge from their program, which includes progressing so well that they don't need the service anymore (which is every parent's dream) or (more typically) falling under the first percentile for XXX, as those children usually do not progress as quickly as others. They have reassessed the five year olds in the last few months and most of us are hearing the same thing (less than 1st percentile score). On one test, I was told that they did not include the gross motor part because most autistic children tend to do well on that and it artificially inflates their score. Unbelievable! I find it appalling and I'm just wondering if any of you have heard of any similar situations in the U.S. You can e-mail me privately at rboyd@... <mailto:rboyd%40cyberus.ca> if you wish so this doesn't clog up the list. Thanks, Rhoda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Read "Let me hear your voice" by Maurice for a good understanding of ABA and an inspirational story. -----Original Message----- From: Loucas Sent: Jan 18, 2007 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [ ] Re: school districts - Parma & Brecksville Can someone help me understand ABA please, pcrawfo1 <PCrawfo1 > wrote: Second the vote for Middleburg Early Education Center...our daughter has been there and has been utilizing the autism scholarship and we couldn't be happier. They have done a phenomenal job. The scholarship funds our ABA and covers the schooling. Feel free to email me offlist if you want more info. FYI if you are going to be starting up an ABA program as well, make sure you speak with several parents in the area about consultants. There are good ones and not so good ones up here. It's here! Your new message!Get new email alerts with the free Toolbar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2007 Report Share Posted January 19, 2007 Although I really like Maurice, I found " Let Me Hear Your Voice " somewhat dramatic (just my opinion). It wasn't until I read her other books that I got a real sense of ABA. Some other books I would recommend are the following: Behavioral Intervention for Young Children With Autism: A Manual for Parents and Professionals (http://www.amazon.com/Behavioral-Intervention- Young-Children-Autism/dp/0890796831/sr=8- 1/qid=1169221689/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-3431576-0708019? ie=UTF8 & s=books), Making a Difference: Behavioral Intervention for Autism (http://www.amazon.com/Making-Difference-Behavioral- Intervention-Autism/dp/0890798710/sr=8- 3/qid=1169221689/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3/002-3431576-0708019? ie=UTF8 & s=books), A Work in Progress: Behavior Management Strategies & A Curriculum for Intensive Behavioral Treatment of Autism (http://www.amazon.com/Work-Progress-Management-Strategies- Curriculum/dp/0966526600/sr=8-4/qid=1169221689/ref=pd_bbs_4/002- 3431576-0708019?ie=UTF8 & s=books), Teaching Developmentally Disabled Children: The Me Book (http://www.amazon.com/Teaching- Developmentally-Disabled-Children-Book/dp/0936104783/sr=8- 1/qid=1169222070/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-3431576-0708019? ie=UTF8 & s=books), Overcoming Autism: Finding the Answers, Strategies, and Hope That Can Transform (http://www.amazon.com/Overcoming-Autism-Finding-Strategies- Transform/dp/0143034685/sr=1-1/qid=1169222146/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002- 3431576-0708019?ie=UTF8 & s=books), Graduated Applied Behavior Analysis (this is one of my personal favorites) http://www.amazon.com/Graduated-Applied-Behavior-Analysis- Newman/dp/0966852834/sr=1-4/qid=1169222221/ref=sr_1_4/002-3431576- 0708019?ie=UTF8 & s=books), Right from the Start: Behavioral Intervention for Young Children With Autism : A Guide for Parents and Professionals (http://www.amazon.com/Right-Start-Behavioral- Intervention-Professionals/dp/189062702X/sr=1- 9/qid=1169222442/ref=sr_1_9/002-3431576-0708019?ie=UTF8 & s=books). There is also some good websites. See http://rsaffran.tripod.com/aba.html, http://asatonline.org/resources/autismtreatments.htm#applied, http://www.autismspeaks.org/whattodo/index.php#aba, and http://www.polyxo.com/aba/. I have read all of the books listed and have reviewed all of the websites given. There are many more books and many more websites, so if you want more information, let me know. Thanks, Debbie Z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 We did ABA with our son (now 13) between the ages of 3-6.5 yrs. In our personal opinion, next to , it was the 2nd best thing we did for him. Why? had alot of negative behavior. He needed to learn. We needed to learn how to deal with those behaviors and how to teach him. Our local school district was worthless (and still is). We had a wonderful independent consultant named Debbie Engerran through the Lovaas Site in Cherry Hill, NJ. Debbie showed us and our 'staff' how to work with 's behaviors and extinquish them; how to break down difficult tasks into more meaningful parts; and how to teach how to have fun, and learn, at the same time. Alot of people, medical personnel as well, believe that ABA is as Lovaas did it in his famous 2 part study. It's not - ABA these days is so mixed in with Floortime, TEAACH, etc etc. Debbie, who was good friends with Dr Lovaas, said there was no way he could ever duplicate his study. 's ABA program was 7 days a week for 5-6 hrs a day for 2.5 yrs. Then we entered him into a local elementary school 1/2 days. We were recommended to ABA by Dr CT Gordon (Silver Spring) who has a son with Autistic behavior and is a whiz on the computer. Dr Gordon went to college with and is good friends with Dr Landa (KKI). Dr Gordon said that children who had some language skills at age 3 seem to do best on ABA. But that really, anyone at any age would benefit from ABA because it teaches how to analyze behavior and break it down. Doris land Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Kristy, We also had very good results with ABA, but over the years I have seen good ABA programs and then some poorly run ones as well. Good ABA is not robotic and should involve a lot of play and social interaction. I don't exactly agree that " nobody should do 40 hours a week " (sorry Marcia. You know I love you!). I think if you really want to make a difference and give ABA a good shot, then you should do as much as you can. I think it really depends on the child though. If Connor was occupying himself appropriately (i.e. playing with toys correctly or playing with his sister), then I would let him continue, but if he was spending time by himself engaging in self-stimulatory behaviors, then I knew I needed to get back involved. That said, I would never spend 40 hours a week using a " drill " format. We did ABA in his room, in the living room, on the trampoline (my neighbors probably thought we were crazy when our entire therapy team got on all at once, but Connor loved it and would do anything to be " bounced " ), at the zoo, while taking a walk, etc. It really is a way of thinking, and Marcia is correct in saying that the incidental teaching in between is super important. We would often mix the two. I bought a year long pass to the zoo and his therapists would bring a backpack. They might spend 10 minutes or so going over one of his programs and then tell him he did a great job and go see one of the exhibits, but the whole time they would be continuing to ask questions (kind of " sneak " teaching...lol). " Oh what animal is that? What color is the elephant? What does and elephant say? Is he big or little? Where do you want to go next? You need to ask me. " , etc. Then it was the same thing on the car ride home ... " What is that? What do you do at Mc's? " Then prompting him to just comment on things like " There's the park! " ). I was blessed with some very creative therapists :-). And Connor got to the point where he would often ask for them to come over and " play " ..lol. That is the sign of a good therapist! Connor really didn't have much in the way of functional language at all before we started ABA. He wasn't responding to typical parenting and was having tantrums and head banging, etc. If I had not had the help and advise of a really good behaviorist, I'm not sure we would have worked all of that out. Now Connor can say pretty much anything he wants to, although his speech pattern is sometimes a little " different " (we still have the occasional backward pronoun, etc). But I remember all too well the days when he was little and it was so much work for him to attempt to get the word " juice " out, even with prompting. Good teaching comes in many forms! Just like different meds work for different kids, the same goes for methods of teaching. We spent several years with Dr. G and throughout it all we agreed to disagree about ABA. But it was working for us, so we stuck with it. -Sharon **************Why pay full price? Check out this month's deals on the new AOL Shopping. (http://shopping.aol.com/?ncid=emlcntinstor00000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 Kristy, What avenues are you using to improve your son's speech? Joy ---- Kristy Nardini <knardini@...> wrote: ============= Thanks, Marcia. My son is learning language much better through other avenues than ABA. Perhaps it is because the ABA the RC funded (we could definitely not afford a 30- or 40-hour/week program on our own) focused on specific self-help goals, and language wasn't really one of them. Kristy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Marcia Hinds Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 5:56 AM knardini@...; Subject: ABA Kristy, is right life is good ABA and so is good teaching. As far as what Kristy said: I think I understand why Dr. G does not like ABA. It does not address the developmental gaps that were created when our kids were sick during their early developmental milestones. ABA addresses specific shortcomings, but does not usually develop dynamic thinking. My son STILL automatically answers - at first - that he is 5 (he's 7) when asked how old he is because that is what one of his ABA drills 'trained' him. That is the way learning starts for our kind of kid. It takes years to develop language in kids. It starts robotically and then becomes more natural. Think of our kids learning English as a foreign language. When you first learn another language it is not fluent nor can you converse properly in it. But if you keep learning it, eventually it comes. It is okay if it is programmed at first. Because later it will come more natural. And much later our kids learn like other kids and you no longer have to teach them everything they missed. Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 14, 2009 Report Share Posted April 14, 2009 Sharon, I love you too. And I miss your funny emails. You explained how good ABA should be done much better than I did. Can I use that in my book? Anyway, I'm glad Jerri and Candy gave their input also. Sometimes when you are in the middle of this thing it is hard to know which way to go. And when someone like Dr. G who we all respect tells us we shouldn't do ABA or go to Dr. we listen. But in both these cases I don't agree with him. We all need to do what works for our children and as their moms we have to trust our guts. One of my issues with the whole Autism world and the reason I believe more kids are not getting better is because many of the experts think their way is the only way. I wish we could all just get along and do what is best for kids. More doctors need to be trained so more children will be helped. The ABA people don't believe in the medical. The medical don't think ABA is a good idea. And for my kid one wouldn't have worked as well without the other. After Dr. G got 's immune system more normalized, I had to catch him up on what he missed. And I did ABA in a very similar way Sharon did. We did have 10 hours of formal time a week but the rest was in the car or the grocery cart or swinging at the park. As said before, good ABA is done in the most natural setting possible and is probably more than 40 hours a week because it is just good parenting too. That is one of the things I love about the list. It is just moms talking about what worked for them. I sure wish I had had you guys when I was doing this. But the internet wasn't invented yet. Isn't it weird to think something that has revolutionized our lives is so new? Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2009 Report Share Posted May 2, 2009 its called www.miracleflights.com ABA Kristy, is right life is good ABA and so is good teaching. As far as what Kristy said: I think I understand why Dr. G does not like ABA. It does not address the developmental gaps that were created when our kids were sick during their early developmental milestones. ABA addresses specific shortcomings, but does not usually develop dynamic thinking. My son STILL automatically answers - at first - that he is 5 (he's 7) when asked how old he is because that is what one of his ABA drills 'trained' him. That is the way learning starts for our kind of kid. It takes years to develop language in kids. It starts robotically and then becomes more natural. Think of our kids learning English as a foreign language. When you first learn another language it is not fluent nor can you converse properly in it. But if you keep learning it, eventually it comes. It is okay if it is programmed at first. Because later it will come more natural. And much later our kids learn like other kids and you no longer have to teach them everything they missed. Marcia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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