Re: chelation

[Guest guest]

Michele C. Davies wrote:

<<We, as parents, can no longer panic and try all these different things that

claim to cure/help our children. We have to start looking at the science

behind this. Why is this becoming an epidemic? Why are so many children

faced with autism, ADD, ADHD, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome? I will tell you

why... this is a condition. This has to do with Neuro Imune

Dysfunction. And there are many, many reasons it is becoming an epidemic.

The primary reason is that some people carry ....... a genetic

predisposition to a condition. And the secondary reasons could be from:

environment (ozone layer), foods we eat that do not agree with us or we are

allergic to, and since we already may have a genetic predisposition we will

be negatively affected by any harmful thing injected, inhaled, etc..

(vaccinations, pollutants) Our systems are more sensitive than other people.

But more and more people are becoming susceptible to this problem and

therefore we are seeing this tragic epidemic. It will only get worse!!

Unless scientific facts come forward and our society looks at this problem

from a Medical perspective. Meaning what is working, what is NOT (pseudo-)

working? Read the website ... neuroimmunedr. com...>>

Michele,

Are you aware that exposure to mercury causes NEUROIMMUNE DYSFUNCTION? There

is plenty of science behind the fact that there is an increased environmental

exposure to mercury and other neurotoxic metals worldwide. By six months of

age most of our children have been exposed to mercury levels well above

recognized " toxic " levels through the thimerosal contained in their

vaccinations! And there is also plenty of science to validate the

relationship between genetic predisposition and exposure. You mention

environment, food and vaccines as secondary factors and yet completely ignore

that these are three means with which we are exposing ourselves to mercury.

A genetic predisposition to anything is benign without the trigger to set it

off, which really makes the genetics secondary.

I have seen Trina post repeatedly to this list asking for help because her

son IS NOT getting better with the protocol. She is repeatedly told to

" hang in there " or criticized for going outside the protocol. I have

seen the protocol help many children, but not ALL of them. Trina should

be allowed to explore other options for her child and still receive the

non-judgemental support of parents on this list. She has been at this for a

long time.

If (you think that) 99% of children diagnosed on the autistic spectrum will

respond to the protocol, do the other 1% go ignored or without support

to explore the other interventions available to them?

Just in case you or others would like to become educated about the the

neuroimmune aspects of mercury exposure, instead of just repeating what you

have been told by someone else, I have included some references below. The

facts are well documented.

Kind regards,

Ricci

Am J Vet Res 2000 Mar;61(3):339-44

Immune function of bovine leukocytes after in vitro exposure to selected

heavy metals.

De Guise S, Bernier J, Lapierre P, Dufresne MM, Dubreuil P, Fournier M

TOXEN, UQAM, CP 8888, Succursale A, Montreal, Quebec, Canada.

OBJECTIVE: To study effects of in vitro exposure of bovine leukocytes to

mercury, cadmium, and lead on phagocytosis, natural killer cell activity, and

lymphocyte proliferation. SAMPLE POPULATION: Leukocytes from 6 nonpregnant

Holstein heifers. PROCEDURE: Leukocytes were exposed in vitro to the

aforementioned metals, and leukocyte functions were assessed. RESULTS:

Phagocytosis was suppressed by 10(-5) to 10(-7) M CdCl2 and by 10(-5) and

10(-6) M HgCl2, but not 10(-7) M HgCl2 nor 10(-4) to 10(-6) M PbCl2.

Spontaneous and concanavalin A- or phytohemagglutinin-stimulated

proliferation of metal-treated bovine blood mononuclear cells was not

significantly different from that of nontreated control cells, except for

enhanced spontaneous proliferation in response to 10(-5) M HgCl2. When

proliferation was expressed as a stimulation index, a dose-dependent increase

of spontaneous proliferation was observed in response to exposure to HgCl2

and PbCl2. Compared with response to 10(-6) or 10(-7) M CdCl2, reduction of

mitogen-induced and spontaneous proliferation was observed on exposure to

10(-5) M CdCl2. Natural killer cell activity against YAC-1 target cells,

evaluated by flow cytometry, was decreased only in cells exposed to 10 M

HgCl2. CONCLUSION AND CLINICAL RELEVANCE: Bovine leukocytes are susceptible

to the immunomodulatory effects of in vitro exposure to heavy metals at

concentrations equal to or higher than those at which similar effects are

seen for leukocytes from most other animal species for which data are

available for comparison. Exception is phagocytosis, which is severely

affected by low concentrations of CdCl2 and HgCl2 in cattle. Reduction of

defense mechanisms on exposure to metals could lead to increased

susceptibility to potential pathogens.

PMID: 10714530, UI: 20176990

Environ Health Perspect 1999 Oct;107 Suppl 5:807-10 Related Articles, Books,

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Cytokine regulation of a rodent model of mercuric chloride-induced

autoimmunity.

Bagenstose LM, Salgame P, Monestier M

Department of Microbiology and Immunology, Temple University School of

Medicine, Philadelphia, PA 19140, USA.

Experimental models of chemically induced autoimmunity have contributed to

our understanding of the development of autoimmune diseases in humans. Heavy

metals such as mercury induce a dramatic activation of the immune system and

autoantibody production in genetically susceptible rats and mice. This

autoimmune syndrome is dependent on T cells, which are important for B-cell

activation and cytokine secretion. Several studies have focused on the roles

of T-helper (Th)1 and Th2 cells and their respective cytokines in the

pathogenesis of mercury-induced disease. This article reviews recent studies

that have examined the patterns of cytokine gene expression and where

investigators have manipulated the Th1 and Th2 responses that occur during

mercury-induced autoimmunity. Finally, we will discuss some

biochemical/molecular mechanisms by which heavy metals may induce cytokine

gene expression.

Publication Types:

Review

Review, tutorial

PMID: 10502547, UI: 99434037

Environ Health Perspect 1999 Oct;107 Suppl 5:767-75

Neuroimmunotoxicology: humoral assessment of neurotoxicity and autoimmune

mechanisms.

El-Fawal HA, Waterman SJ, De Feo A, Shamy MY

Pharmacology and Toxicology Laboratory, Mercy College, Dobbs Ferry, NY 10522,

USA. neurotox@...

The interactions between the nervous and immune systems have been recognized

in the development of neurodegenerative disease. This can be exploited

through detection of the immune response to autoantigens in assessing the

neurotoxicity of environmental chemicals. To test this hypothesis, the

following questions were addressed. a) Are autoantibodies to nervous system

(NS) antigens detected in populations exposed to environmental or

occupational chemicals? In sera of male workers exposed to lead or mercury,

autoantibodies, primarily IgG, to neuronal cytoskeletal proteins,

neurofilaments (NFs), and myelin basic protein (MBP) were prevalent. These

findings were confirmed in mice and rats exposed to either metal. Do

autoantibodies to NS antigens relate to indices of exposure? In humans

exposed to either metal, and similarly in exposed rats, titers of IgG against

NFs and MBP significantly correlated with blood lead or urinary mercury, the

typical indices of exposure. c) Do autoantibodies correlate with sensorimotor

deficits? In workers exposed to lead or mercury, a significant correlation

was observed between IgG titers and subclinical deficits. Doses of metals

used in rat exposures were subclinical, suggesting that autoantibodies may be

predictive of neurotoxicity. d) Is the detection indicative of nervous system

pathology? In rats exposed to metals, histopathology indicated central

nervous system (CNS) and peripheral nervous system (PNS) damage. In addition

there was evidence of astrogliosis, which is indicative of neuronal damage in

the CNS, and the presence of IgG concentrated along the blood-brain barrier,

as indicated by immunostaining for antibodies. e) Are immune responses to NS

antigens pathogenic? Immunoglobulin fractions from rat and human sera

interfered with neuromuscular function. These studies suggest that the

detection of autoantibodies to NS-specific antigens may be used to monitor

the development of neurotoxicity to environmental chemicals and that immune

mechanisms may be involved in the progression of neurodegeneration.

Publication Types:

Review

Review, tutorial

PMID: 10502543, UI: 99434033

Environ Health Perspect 1999 Oct;107 Suppl 5:729-35

Lupus-prone mice as models to study xenobiotic-induced acceleration of

systemic autoimmunity.

Pollard KM, Pearson DL, Hultman P, Hildebrandt B, Kono DH

Department of Molecular and Experimental Medicine, The Scripps Research

Institute, La Jolla, CA 92037, USA. mpollard@...

The linkage between xenobiotic exposures and autoimmune diseases remains to

be clearly defined. However, recent studies have raised the possibility that

both genetic and environmental factors act synergistically at several stages

or checkpoints to influence disease pathogenesis in susceptible populations.

These observations predict that individuals susceptible to spontaneous

autoimmunity should be more susceptible following xenobiotic exposure by

virtue of the presence of predisposing background genes. To test this

possibility, mouse strains with differing genetic susceptibility to murine

lupus were examined for acceleration of autoimmune features characteristic of

spontaneous systemic autoimmune disease following exposure to the

immunostimulatory metals nickel and mercury. Although NiCl(2) exposure did

not exacerbate autoimmunity, HgCl(2) significantly accelerated systemic

disease in a strain-dependent manner. Mercury-exposed (NZB X NZW)F1 mice had

accelerated lymphoid hyperplasia, hypergammaglobulinemia, autoantibodies, and

immune complex deposits. Mercury also exacerbated immunopathologic

manifestations in MRL+/+ and MR -lpr mice. However, there was less disease

acceleration in lpr mice compared with MRL+/+ mice, likely due to the fact

that environmental factors are less critical for disease induction when there

is strong genetic susceptibility. Non-major histocompatibility complex genes

also contributed to mercury-exacerbated disease, as the nonautoimmune AKR

mice, which are H-2 identical with the MRL, showed less immunopathology than

either the MRL/lpr or MRL+/+ strains. This study demonstrates that genetic

susceptibility to spontaneous systemic autoimmunity can be a predisposing

factor for HgCl(2)-induced exacerbation of autoimmunity. Such genetic

predisposition may have to be considered when assessing the immunotoxicity of

xenobiotics. Additional comparative studies using autoimmune-prone and

nonautoimmune mice strains with different genetic backgrounds will help

determine the contribution that xenobiotic exposure makes in rendering

sensitive populations susceptible to autoimmune diseases.

PMID: 10502538, UI: 99434028

Food Chem Toxicol 1999 Jun;37(6):627-37

Enhancement of ovalbumin-induced antibody production and mucosal mast cell

response by mercury.

Watzl B, Abrahamse SL, Treptow-van Lishaut S, Neudecker C, Hansch GM,

Rechkemmer G, Pool-Zobel BL

Institute of Nutritional Physiology, Federal Research Centre for Nutrition,

Karlsruhe, Germany.

Food contaminants may contribute to the recent increased incidence of food

allergies. We have investigated this hypothesis experimentally. It was our

objective to determine whether toxicity to the intestinal tissue by orally

applied mercury (Hg) could modulate the immune response to food allergens.

Effective mechanisms were studied with functional immunological and

toxicological parameters. Brown Norway rats were immunized intraperitoneally

by ovalbumin (OVA). Before oral challenge with OVA, immunized and

non-immunized animals were exposed to HgCl2. Immunological responses were

measured by enzyme-linked immunosorbent assays [anti-OVA-IgE and-IgG, rat

mast cell protease II (RMCPII), interferon-gamma, interleukin-4, lymphocyte

proliferation] and by flow cytometry (lymphocyte subpopulations). Toxicity of

Hg to the intestinal barrier was determined by measuring viability, DNA

damage and induction of glutathione S-transferase in isolated intestinal

epithelial cells and lymph node cells, and by measuring permeability,

short-circuit current and tissue conductance of the intact intestinal

epithelium. A single high oral dose of HgCl2 enhanced the serum

concentrations of anti-OVA-IgE and IgG (P < 0.05) and of RMCPII (P < 0.05) in

immunized rats. The treatment resulted in a higher number of CD4/CD25+ T

cells in the lymph nodes (P < 0.05). The multiple application of low HgCl2

doses (5 x 0.2 mg/kg body weight) only resulted in an elevated RMCPII serum

concentration (P < 0.05). Neither treatment schedules impaired proliferation

and cytokine production of lymphocytes. In non-immunized rats only minor

immunological changes were observed. Oral HgCl2 induced genotoxic damage in

lymph node cells and in jejunal epithelial cells (P < 0.05). Moreover, HgCl2

increased the permeability of intestinal epithelial tissue and of Caco-2

monolayers and was genotoxic and cytotoxic to isolated intestinal epithelial

cells in vitro. In conclusion, these studies indicate that the food

contaminant Hg can stimulate the immune response to OVA in immunized rats.

One possible mechanism could be the toxicity of Hg to the intestinal

epithelial and the lymph node cells. Whether humans with allergies respond to

high oral doses of Hg in a similar way needs to be investigated in further

studies.

PMID: 10478831, UI: 99405945

Immunol Res 1999;20(1):67-78 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut

Murine mercury-induced autoimmunity: a model of chemically related

autoimmunity in humans.

Bagenstose LM, Salgame P, Monestier M

Department of Microbiology and Immunology, Temple University School of

Medicine, Philadelphia, PA 19140, USA.

Human exposure to certain compounds or therapeutic drugs can result in the

development of an autoimmune syndrome. Mercury (Hg) induced autoimmunity is

one of the few animal models in which administration of a chemical induces a

specific loss of tolerance to self-antigens. After receiving subtoxic doses

of Hg or other heavy metals, susceptible mouse strains rapidly develop highly

specific antibodies to nucleolar antigens. In addition, these animals display

a general activation of the immune system, especially pronounced for the Th2

subset and a transient glomerulonephritis with immunoglobulin deposits. Like

many human autoimmune diseases, this syndrome is associated with the

expression of susceptible major histocompatibility complex (MHC) class II

genes. In this article, we review the essential features of this model, and

we discuss the putative mechanisms by which Hg creates such a severe immune

dysfunction.

Publication Types:

Review

Review, tutorial

PMID: 10467984, UI: 99396060

Scand J Immunol 1999 Sep;50(3):233-41 Related Articles, Books, LinkOut

Low and nontoxic levels of ionic mercury interfere with the regulation of

cell growth in the WEHI-231 B-cell lymphoma.

McCabe MJ Jr, Santini RP, Rosenspire AJ

Institute of Chemical Toxicology, Wayne State University, Detroit, USA.

WEHI-231 is a mouse B-cell line, which is a well-established model for

studying signal transduction in B lymphocytes, normally responding to

cross-linking of the B-cell receptor (BCR) complex by the rapid upregulation

of protein tyrosine kinase activity, followed by increased intracellular

calcium and activation of protein kinase C. In WEHI-231, activation of

protein kinase C is functionally associated with downregulation of DNA

synthesis, followed by the induction of apoptosis. We have found in WEHI-231,

that at low and environmentally relevant exposure levels (0.1 microM) mercury

is not toxic, but still interferes with signal transduction in that it

attenuates the growth inhibitory effects of BCR cross-linking. The molecular

target for mercury resulting in attenuation of the BCR-mediated growth

inhibitory signal is likely proximal to activation of the BCR complex, as

HgCl2 had no effect on the negative growth signal generated downstream by

direct activation of protein kinase C with phorbol 12-myristate 13-acetate.

Treatment of WEHI-231 cells with high and toxic concentrations of Hg results

in a marked increase in protein tyrosine phosphorylation in a great many

proteins; whereas treatment of WEHI-231 cells with 0.1 microM mercury is not

toxic. Under these conditions mercury selectively perturbed BCR-mediated

protein tyrosine phosphorylation of a 75 kDa protein, without grossly

affecting tyrosine phosphorylation levels of most other proteins. These data

suggest that low levels of mercury, which are not toxic, may still contribute

to immune dysfunction by interfering with antigen-receptor-mediated and

protein-kinase-dependent signal transduction in lymphocytes.

PMID: 10447931, UI: 99377224

[Guest guest]

, thanks for your response. I really appreciate reviewing

different positions and findings of parents. We agree on a whole lot

of things. What do you, or anyone on this list, think about the

belief that many of the parents have that their children were mercury

poisoned through vaccines. We've all seen parents pointing to

specific vaccines and specific incidences wherein they " lost " their

child after a vaccine, and to the huge rise in autism as a result of

vaccines--since the institution of the bundled vaccines. From what I

understand, in very layman terms, vaccines were bundled together by

the manufacturers in response to the outcry to make the required

vaccines cheaper, and mercury was used to do so. since that time,

autism has risen. I'm almost starting to walk along the line that

perhaps and introduction of mercury in certain circumstances

might go hand-in-hand. For example, a child with undetected immune

problems, allergies, sickness, when given a vaccine or worse,

multiple vaccines at one setting, will have more of a tendency to

have a reaction to the mercury in vaccines(?). For the majority of

children, the levels are safe. If an " autistic " child tests with

high levels of mercury (beyond what the industry dictates is a normal

level within a body)--some astoundingly so--what does someone do

about that--and I'm being sincere about this question?

I personally can't say what occurred to my daughter, although some

have said it was due to a vaccine. She was visually impaired from

birth, and I've been unable to find a medical doctor I trust who

either (1) does nothing or (2) doesn't first requires a controversial

test where the results of the test are the same for every child--I

know where you're coming from there. I'm a mom, too, willing to turn

over only so many stones without throwing away dollar after dollar or

causing my little one much anxiety, and do believe it's an immune

problem.

A friend of mine gave birth to a perfectly normal baby boy, but she,

the mom, was a Group Strep B carrier which could have been detected

through a test prior to delivery, and preventative measures taken at

the time of delivery. The test was not required, as pointed out by

the physician as the child lay with near death with seizures at 3

days old. Her son now 8 is in a wheel chair, is hearing and vision

impaired, can't sit up and can't eat regular food. Sometimes the

state-of-the-art argument, which is perfectly correct and legal, just

doesn't fly. However, the weight of public interest needs a less

expensive vaccine that is safe, and it's been created, and it's

beyond my red neck neanderthal way of thinking to try to weigh the

risk to the few versus the needs of the many.

What do you think? I've really enjoyed " talking " with you on this.

Carol

> Dear Carol:

> > This information must be passed on for the sake of these children.

> We can literally lose an entire generation of children that could

> be treated and cured !! Dr. Goldberg stands behind logic,

science

> and facts. Just the fact that he can use NeuroSpect Scans to show

> why these children have a disease not a developmental condition

> says all there is to say. Please start looking at the facts, not

> claims that are BS.

>

> Michele C. Davies

> isoaa@a...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 2/1/2001 6:46:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, 1raptor@...

writes:

> What really bothers me from some of things I have read, is that it is

> implied that these

> kids have a mercury problem regardless of what some of those bogus test

> results are.

> I just don't see the logic in what I have read. I don't blame the parents,

> they expect that

> doctors know what they are doing, they trust them.

> Cheryl

>

Dr. Goldberg also treats children with anti-virals even though viruses do not

show up in the bloodwork! I have had a couple of friends go through the

protocol without viruses showing up! Others can argue why treat with

anti-virals, if they aren't there.

I certainly think that there is merit in both protocols. And you are always

going to hear the criticism for any treatment for autism! You just always

do. I don't think people should discount a possible treatment in autism

where people are doing well. There are plenty of success stories in both the

Protocol and Mercury Chelation and every child is different. Not all

children do well on the gfcf diet, anti-virals, anti-fungals, chelation,

secretin or what have you. Autism is a complex disorder. We have to respect

each others treatment decisions. Someone may be following the chelation

because of the history of their child, just as another parent would follow

the protocol because of viruses and such. Keep an open mind!

Eileen

[Guest guest]

Wusername wrote:

>>>Are you aware that exposure to mercury causes NEUROIMMUNE DYSFUNCTION?

<<

I don't think anyone is questioning that. I think the original poster's

point (and Dr. Goldberg's?) is that the trigger for the immune dysfunction

is pretty much irrelevant to the treatment of the immune dysfunction, and

that, if the trigger *is* mercury, the current state of diagnosis and

treatment has not been found to be effective and safe enough to warrant

addressing the " trigger " when the " result " can be safely and effectively

diagnosed and treated.

Janette

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure what your point is because I am reading things that discuss it

as being a

trigger for autoimmunity, immune dysfunction. That is the whole point, I

can give you

tons of things on all kinds of triggers like infections, birth trauma,

toxins, etc. I think

that is the point you are missing. Once this is set in motion, the trigger

is not the

issue. Where are the studies showing that any of these children actually

have a

mercury problem? I'm sure there is no one on this earth who doesn't have

some

heavy metals in their tissue. If you look at the adipose tissue study done

by our

government, we all have pesticides in our tissue. What are parents going to

do

if down the road they find out that they have deposited metals in the brain

that weren't

there to begin with? Do they want to temporarily improve their child now,

with the

risk of causing permanent disability down the road? What if they have some

of these

autoantibodies against calcium channels or something similar? Chelation

lowers

things like that also. What if that is the reason for improvement, maybe

they reduced

some excess mineral, not mercury.

Are you aware of the studies that show how infections can lower our ability

to metabolize

toxins? Are you aware of all the different autoantibodies that are directed

at various receptors,

some that are a part of our detox system? How there are infections that can

cross react

with these various receptors and have effects on how we eliminate toxins?

What really bothers me from some of things I have read, is that it is

implied that these

kids have a mercury problem regardless of what some of those bogus test

results are.

I just don't see the logic in what I have read. I don't blame the parents,

they expect that

doctors know what they are doing, they trust them.

Cheryl

I have found abstracts on autoantibodies against alot of the different

things listed below.

One type of brain autoantibody could cause a whole cascade of problems.

Gene expression in the brain across the sleep-waking cycle 1

Chiara Cirelli and Giulio TononiA tononi@...

The Neurosciences Institute, 10640 J. Hopkins Drive, San Diego, CA

92121, USA

A Corresponding author. Tel.: +1-858-626-2090; fax: +1-858-626-2199

Abstract

Sleep and waking differ significantly in terms of behavior, metabolism, and

neuronal activity. Recent evidence indicates that sleep and waking also

differ with respect to the expression of certain genes. To systematically

investigate such changes, we used mRNA differential display and cDNA

microarrays to screen ~10 000 transcripts expressed in the cerebral cortex

of rats after 8 h of sleep, spontaneous waking, or sleep deprivation. We

found that 44 genes had higher mRNA levels after waking and/or sleep

deprivation relative to sleep, while 10 were upregulated after sleep. Known

genes that were upregulated in waking and sleep deprivation can be grouped

into the following categories: immediate early genes/transcription factors

(Arc, CHOP, IER5, NGFI-A, NGFI-B, N-Ras, Stat3), genes related to energy

metabolism (glucose type I transporter Glut1, Vgf), growth factors/adhesion

molecules (BDNF, TrkB, F3 adhesion molecule), chaperones/heat shock proteins

(BiP, ERP72, GRP75, HSP60, HSP70), vesicle- and synapse-related genes

(chromogranin C, synaptotagmin IV), neurotransmitter/hormone receptors

(adrenergic receptor 1A and 2, GABAA receptor 3, glutamate NMDA receptor 2A,

glutamate AMPA receptor GluR2 and GluR3, nicotinic acetylcholine receptor 2,

thyroid hormone receptor TR), neurotransmitter transporters

(glutamate/aspartate transporter GLAST, Na+/Cl- transporter NTT4/Rxt1),

enzymes (aryl sulfotransferase, c-jun N-terminal kinase 1,

serum/glucocorticoid-induced serine/threonine kinase), and a miscellaneous

group (calmodulin, cyclin D2, LMO-4, metallothionein 3). Several other genes

that were upregulated in waking and all the genes upregulated in sleep, with

the exception of the one coding for membrane protein E25, did not match any

known sequence. Thus, significant changes in gene expression occur across

behavioral states, which are likely to affect basic cellular functions such

as RNA and protein synthesis, neural plasticity, neurotransmission, and

metabolism.

[Guest guest]

Janette,

Thank you for your thoughtful response. If you read some of the other

responses you can see that, indeed, mercury related neuroimmune

dysfunction IS not only being questioned, it is being flat out denied.

I agree that treating the " result " must be as safe and as effective as

possible. However, if mercury is a potential cause of neuroimmune

dysfunction in susceptible individuals, it is preventable, and

ignoring the trigger is just as irresponsible and reckless as not

treating the result as safely and effectively as possible. Eliminate

the trigger and there is no " result " in need of treatment.

This is not alternative medicine embraced only by money grubbing

quacks. I would encourage you to visit the website at

http://www.preventingharm.org and read some of the articles there

which have been prepared by mainstream physicians from some of the

finest schools such as Harvard.

My comments are not meant in any way to discount the importance of Dr.

Goldberg's work. I know many children who have been helped by the

protocol, but I know just as many who have not. I am interested

in finding answers for ALL the children.

Ricci

<lovemykiddo@a...> wrote:

> Wusername wrote:

> >>>Are you aware that exposure to mercury causes NEUROIMMUNE

DYSFUNCTION?

> <<

>

> I don't think anyone is questioning that. I think the original

poster's

> point (and Dr. Goldberg's?) is that the trigger for the immune

dysfunction

> is pretty much irrelevant to the treatment of the immune

dysfunction, and

> that, if the trigger *is* mercury, the current state of diagnosis

and

> treatment has not been found to be effective and safe enough to

warrant

> addressing the " trigger " when the " result " can be safely and

effectively

> diagnosed and treated.

>

> Janette

[Guest guest]

Carol wrote:

>>From what I understand, in very layman terms, vaccines were bundled

together by the manufacturers in response to the outcry to make the required

vaccines cheaper, and mercury was used to do so<

I think part of the reasons these vaccines were combined was because it

creates the need for fewer visits to the pediatrician. Except in

freeze-dried vaccines like the MMR (where the only source of mercury might

be from the diluent used to reconstitute the vaccine), thimerosal would be

in vaccines whether it was the triple-whammy or the singles...it's used to

preserve and stabilize the vaccines in the liquid form.

>>If an " autistic " child tests with high levels of mercury (beyond what the

industry dictates is a normal level within a body)--some astoundingly

so--what does someone do about that--and I'm being sincere about this

question? "

Treat the other factors that can safely and effectively be addressed, some

of which might make treating the mercury superfluous.....I guess?

Janette

..

Re: chelation

> , thanks for your response. I really appreciate reviewing

> different positions and findings of parents. We agree on a whole lot

> of things. What do you, or anyone on this list, think about the

> belief that many of the parents have that their children were mercury

> poisoned through vaccines. We've all seen parents pointing to

> specific vaccines and specific incidences wherein they " lost " their

> child after a vaccine, and to the huge rise in autism as a result of

> vaccines--since the institution of the bundled vaccines. From what I

> understand, in very layman terms, vaccines were bundled together by

> the manufacturers in response to the outcry to make the required

> vaccines cheaper, and mercury was used to do so. since that time,

> autism has risen. I'm almost starting to walk along the line that

> perhaps and introduction of mercury in certain circumstances

> might go hand-in-hand. For example, a child with undetected immune

> problems, allergies, sickness, when given a vaccine or worse,

> multiple vaccines at one setting, will have more of a tendency to

> have a reaction to the mercury in vaccines(?). For the majority of

> children, the levels are safe. If an " autistic " child tests with

> high levels of mercury (beyond what the industry dictates is a normal

> level within a body)--some astoundingly so--what does someone do

> about that--and I'm being sincere about this question?

>

> I personally can't say what occurred to my daughter, although some

> have said it was due to a vaccine. She was visually impaired from

> birth, and I've been unable to find a medical doctor I trust who

> either (1) does nothing or (2) doesn't first requires a controversial

> test where the results of the test are the same for every child--I

> know where you're coming from there. I'm a mom, too, willing to turn

> over only so many stones without throwing away dollar after dollar or

> causing my little one much anxiety, and do believe it's an immune

> problem.

>

> A friend of mine gave birth to a perfectly normal baby boy, but she,

> the mom, was a Group Strep B carrier which could have been detected

> through a test prior to delivery, and preventative measures taken at

> the time of delivery. The test was not required, as pointed out by

> the physician as the child lay with near death with seizures at 3

> days old. Her son now 8 is in a wheel chair, is hearing and vision

> impaired, can't sit up and can't eat regular food. Sometimes the

> state-of-the-art argument, which is perfectly correct and legal, just

> doesn't fly. However, the weight of public interest needs a less

> expensive vaccine that is safe, and it's been created, and it's

> beyond my red neck neanderthal way of thinking to try to weigh the

> risk to the few versus the needs of the many.

>

> What do you think? I've really enjoyed " talking " with you on this.

> Carol

>

>

> > Dear Carol:

> > > This information must be passed on for the sake of these children.

> > We can literally lose an entire generation of children that could

> > be treated and cured !! Dr. Goldberg stands behind logic,

> science

> > and facts. Just the fact that he can use NeuroSpect Scans to show

> > why these children have a disease not a developmental condition

> > says all there is to say. Please start looking at the facts, not

> > claims that are BS.

> >

> > Michele C. Davies

> > isoaa@a...

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your reply. All information is greatly

appreciated.

--- cac@... wrote:

> , thanks for your response. I really

> appreciate reviewing

> different positions and findings of parents. We

> agree on a whole lot

> of things. What do you, or anyone on this list,

> think about the

> belief that many of the parents have that their

> children were mercury

> poisoned through vaccines. We've all seen parents

> pointing to

> specific vaccines and specific incidences wherein

> they " lost " their

> child after a vaccine, and to the huge rise in

> autism as a result of

> vaccines--since the institution of the bundled

> vaccines. From what I

> understand, in very layman terms, vaccines were

> bundled together by

> the manufacturers in response to the outcry to make

> the required

> vaccines cheaper, and mercury was used to do so.

> since that time,

> autism has risen. I'm almost starting to walk along

> the line that

> perhaps and introduction of mercury in certain

> circumstances

> might go hand-in-hand. For example, a child with

> undetected immune

> problems, allergies, sickness, when given a vaccine

> or worse,

> multiple vaccines at one setting, will have more of

> a tendency to

> have a reaction to the mercury in vaccines(?). For

> the majority of

> children, the levels are safe. If an " autistic "

> child tests with

> high levels of mercury (beyond what the industry

> dictates is a normal

> level within a body)--some astoundingly so--what

> does someone do

> about that--and I'm being sincere about this

> question?

>

> I personally can't say what occurred to my daughter,

> although some

> have said it was due to a vaccine. She was visually

> impaired from

> birth, and I've been unable to find a medical doctor

> I trust who

> either (1) does nothing or (2) doesn't first

> requires a controversial

> test where the results of the test are the same for

> every child--I

> know where you're coming from there. I'm a mom,

> too, willing to turn

> over only so many stones without throwing away

> dollar after dollar or

> causing my little one much anxiety, and do believe

> it's an immune

> problem.

>

> A friend of mine gave birth to a perfectly normal

> baby boy, but she,

> the mom, was a Group Strep B carrier which could

> have been detected

> through a test prior to delivery, and preventative

> measures taken at

> the time of delivery. The test was not required, as

> pointed out by

> the physician as the child lay with near death with

> seizures at 3

> days old. Her son now 8 is in a wheel chair, is

> hearing and vision

> impaired, can't sit up and can't eat regular food.

> Sometimes the

> state-of-the-art argument, which is perfectly

> correct and legal, just

> doesn't fly. However, the weight of public interest

> needs a less

> expensive vaccine that is safe, and it's been

> created, and it's

> beyond my red neck neanderthal way of thinking to

> try to weigh the

> risk to the few versus the needs of the many.

>

> What do you think? I've really enjoyed " talking "

> with you on this.

> Carol

>

>

> > Dear Carol:

> > > This information must be passed on for the sake

> of these children.

> > We can literally lose an entire generation of

> children that could

> > be treated and cured !! Dr. Goldberg stands

> behind logic,

> science

> > and facts. Just the fact that he can use

> NeuroSpect Scans to show

> > why these children have a disease not a

> developmental condition

> > says all there is to say. Please start looking at

> the facts, not

> > claims that are BS.

> >

> > Michele C. Davies

> > isoaa@a...

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I would like to suggest to everyone to listen to a conference call that I

was invited to listen to LIVE on Tuesday night, that is replayed and will be

able to hear again on Monday Night at 10 PM EST on toll free 1-800-261-3228.

Toward the end of the call is Dr. Carol Reecer that discusses the immune

system and neuro

dysfunctions. Aiming toward ADD/ADHD/Autims/Parkinson Disease and others.

It is a very interesting call. If you can take the time to listen. It last

about 25 minutes and she is the final speaker. It was very educational for

me.

jwhelp@...

Re: chelation

> , thanks for your response. I really appreciate reviewing

> different positions and findings of parents. We agree on a whole lot

> of things. What do you, or anyone on this list, think about the

> belief that many of the parents have that their children were mercury

> poisoned through vaccines. We've all seen parents pointing to

> specific vaccines and specific incidences wherein they " lost " their

> child after a vaccine, and to the huge rise in autism as a result of

> vaccines--since the institution of the bundled vaccines. From what I

> understand, in very layman terms, vaccines were bundled together by

> the manufacturers in response to the outcry to make the required

> vaccines cheaper, and mercury was used to do so. since that time,

> autism has risen. I'm almost starting to walk along the line that

> perhaps and introduction of mercury in certain circumstances

> might go hand-in-hand. For example, a child with undetected immune

> problems, allergies, sickness, when given a vaccine or worse,

> multiple vaccines at one setting, will have more of a tendency to

> have a reaction to the mercury in vaccines(?). For the majority of

> children, the levels are safe. If an " autistic " child tests with

> high levels of mercury (beyond what the industry dictates is a normal

> level within a body)--some astoundingly so--what does someone do

> about that--and I'm being sincere about this question?

>

> I personally can't say what occurred to my daughter, although some

> have said it was due to a vaccine. She was visually impaired from

> birth, and I've been unable to find a medical doctor I trust who

> either (1) does nothing or (2) doesn't first requires a controversial

> test where the results of the test are the same for every child--I

> know where you're coming from there. I'm a mom, too, willing to turn

> over only so many stones without throwing away dollar after dollar or

> causing my little one much anxiety, and do believe it's an immune

> problem.

>

> A friend of mine gave birth to a perfectly normal baby boy, but she,

> the mom, was a Group Strep B carrier which could have been detected

> through a test prior to delivery, and preventative measures taken at

> the time of delivery. The test was not required, as pointed out by

> the physician as the child lay with near death with seizures at 3

> days old. Her son now 8 is in a wheel chair, is hearing and vision

> impaired, can't sit up and can't eat regular food. Sometimes the

> state-of-the-art argument, which is perfectly correct and legal, just

> doesn't fly. However, the weight of public interest needs a less

> expensive vaccine that is safe, and it's been created, and it's

> beyond my red neck neanderthal way of thinking to try to weigh the

> risk to the few versus the needs of the many.

>

> What do you think? I've really enjoyed " talking " with you on this.

> Carol

>

>

> > Dear Carol:

> > > This information must be passed on for the sake of these children.

> > We can literally lose an entire generation of children that could

> > be treated and cured !! Dr. Goldberg stands behind logic,

> science

> > and facts. Just the fact that he can use NeuroSpect Scans to show

> > why these children have a disease not a developmental condition

> > says all there is to say. Please start looking at the facts, not

> > claims that are BS.

> >

> > Michele C. Davies

> > isoaa@a...

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good point Janette. Remember many of these children wax and wane in their

abilities which rather removes the possibility of the lone trigger

theory...Kathy- Northern New York

[Guest guest]

We are not the only country that uses vaccines. Other countries that use

vaccines do not have the rates of spectrum disorders that we have. One of the

difference is possibly timing. The Germans don't give pertussis but they also

do not start their infants vaccination schedule as early as we and they

spread it out over a longer period of time. Their rational is that the immune

system of an infant is too immature to receive too many vaccinations. However

having said that, they also do not fill their children up with junk food,

they are very concerned about food additives, they cook, grow their own

vegetables (garden plots are available outside of every city), fight for

clean air and water (Nitrates are a big battle in many of the cities along

the Rhine), and they take child rearing very seriously. The populations are

obviously not comparable. Kathy -Northern New York

[Guest guest]

Ricci,

When you state that you know many children that have been helped by the

protocol and many that have not been helped I feel that you owe it to the

other readers to be specific and factual. The source of your information

would also be helpful. Did the parents stay with the protocol for the full

3-4 years? Did they do their job by avoiding allergens? The protocol is only

as good as the investment of the parents. It is a well recognized statistic

that 85% of American do not take their medication the way it was prescribed.

Avoiding allergens is a lot of work and I know parents of children with

severe asthma who will not stop smoking... Kathy -Northern New York

[Guest guest]

Kathy wrote:

>>>Their rational is that the immune system of an infant is too immature to

receive too many vaccinations<<

Mark has a complement deficiency...a genetic immune deficiency that was

diagnosed *after* he had been fully vaccinated. In retrospect, our

pediatrician's advice to reschedule vaccinations if Mark should have a cold

(a very MINOR immune condition by comparison) is somewhat ironic. I'd like

to see the vaccination protocol adjusted to allow for neurological and

immunological maturing before vaccination begins...perhaps until after the

child has had one or two of those minor immune assaults from viral

illnesses, etc. -- giving parents and physicians adequate time to assess

each child's particular neurology and immunology. I was immune to

Hepatitis B, and I had chosen to stay at home with Mark, so I think that's

at least one situation in which vaccinations could be safely delayed for at

least a number of months while exposure is controlled. This would obviously

indicate a more " fluid " vaccine protocol, something which I'm sure doesn't

fit in with the current politics at the AAP.

Janette

[Guest guest]

Can anyone provide a contact or telephone number for either of the two

physicians mentioned. Thank you.

[Guest guest]

There seems to be a healthy debate on the list about the value of

chelation. We have done of our own investigating and here are some

of the things we hvae learned:

One of the leading practitioners of chelation for autistic children

is Amy Holmes, MD. She is located in Louisiana. Originally, she was

an oncologist who stopped practicing medicine to raise her new born

son. As with many of our children, her son developed late onset

autism. She investigated all the major treatments available. After

taking her son to see Cave, MD in Lousiana, it was

determined through challenge tests that her son showed very high

mercury levels as well as other heavy metals. Approximately, 2 years

ago they began a chelation program for her son. He is now cured of

all autistic symptoms. At age 6, he is now completely mainstreamed

and no longer needs to be restricted to a GFCF diet.

At some point during her son's treatment, Dr. Holmes apparently

decided to return to work not as an oncologist but as a physician

specializing in the treatment of children with autism. It seems she

also runs a battery of tests on her patients much like Dr. Goldberg,

except she also runs tests that look for heavy metal poisoning. If

the tests indicate heavy metal poisoning exists, she perscribes a

chelation program that principally uses DMSA (a perscription drug

that has FDA approval for removing lead from children) and various

supplements. She does not sell the DMSA or any of the supplements.

From this information, we asked the following questions:

1. Does Dr. Holmes motivation for treating autistic kids seem to be

money?

2. As a physician, do you think she would have chelated her own child

without investigating the risks?

3. Are other doctors able to replicate her success with chelation?

Our research seems to support Dr. Holmes in each case. You can all

do your own investigations.

Someone sent me the following post from the DrAmysKids List written

by Dr. Jacquelyn McCandless, I emailed her and asked if I could post

it here. She said it was OK so long as I mentioned that she " see(s)

no contraindication to anti-viral/yeast therapy along with slow oral

chelation with proper nutrient replacement. (She) feel(s) strongly

that any child who received all mandated vaccinations since 1991 and

has developmental/learning delay deserves a work-up for mercury

intoxication. (Blood work will only show a very (2-month) recent

exposure, and will not reveal mercury within the brain.) None of

(the physicians she knows treating autistic children) use DMPS or

injected chelators, and as a physician, (she) assure(s) (us) this

treatment is not a money-maker! "

From: Jaquelyn McCandless <JMcCandless@p...>

Date: Mon Nov 6, 2000 3:48am

Subject: HHV6/antivirals

Dear Listmates: Last year before I was swept into the mercury blitz I

agreed with Dr. Goldberg's idea that brain viruses are probably a

factor if not the cause in most cases of autism. I was obtaining

viral panels and if titers were elevated, started anti-virals, which

was usually acyclovir for the small kids and Valtrex for the older or

hardier kids. I had one early totally startling success with an older

high functioning socially isolated autistic girl who gradually before

my very eyes and to her parents' amazement became a different and

normally functioning attractive, popular no longer autistic girl,

currently beginning her 1st year of college, a small college but

away from home!. helped me a lot; I followed the girl with NK

cytotoxicity tests on advice of Dr. Vojdani at Immunosciences, levels

of which gradually became elevated as she gradually recovered from

what we deduced was a lifelong case of HHV6 infection (continued

occasional skin break-outs of what looked like her roseola rash which

started her downhill slide at 4). In other words as HHV6 titers went

down, NK levels went up, paralleling her recovery. I also maintained

her on Monolaurin, a nutrient derived from coconut oil, and 4-Life, a

transfer factor compound. (I would advise these for those kids who

can't handle prescription anti-virals; I've seen no toxicity other

than a little diarrhea sometimes with the transfer factor). With the

other cases, including my grand-daughter Chelsey, I had them also on

anti-yeast, GF/CF, secretin, vitamins, nutrients, you name it, and

though some got better it was very difficult to tell what was

helping, and none made the same startling recovery as my first case

on anti-virals. However, at that time I would send my patients who

had $ or good insurance to Dr. Goldberg, and several of them reported

excellent results with his program of anti-virals etc... Then one of

the cases I was advising on the list (I had been helping the

pediatrician get the testing and figure dosing, etc) got into some

health problems and the mother was concerned he was having a reaction

to the Valtrex. It scared others on the list, including me, although

I have never seen a bad reaction to it other than no response. It

turned out to be something else (perhaps enzymes), and she

subsequently went to Dr. G and continued the Valtrex with good

success, but with no feed-back for quite awhile about the outcome of

the child (no answer to my posts) I backed off of the anti-virals and

began concentrating on the heavy metal issue that was just coming up

big time around then. This seemed to bring a lot of things together

for me, and I could understand that Hg knocks out the enzyme systems

and allows yeast and viruses to get a hold on the tissues,

interfering with transport of nutrients across the cell membranes and

making it difficult to heal these opportunistic infestations. It

seemed reasonable to me to want to get the metals out

so healing would be more likely, especially since the truth of the

matter is that we have very inadequate anti-virals for these

infestations, they are very inefficient and we know they have to be

far too toxic to the rest of the tissues to really rout the viruses

in most cases. Yeast is hard to clear and keeps coming back; gut

issues remain a critical problem in some kids no matter what we do.

It is clear that the immune system and endocrine system (eg thyroid)

which are undoubtedly impaired by heavy metals have to be evaluated

(which is not easy), poisons (gluten, casein, heavy metals, etc)

avoided, and nutrition very fastidiously attended to. Evidence of

the importance of the nutritional factor is that in three of the last

cases I have placed on high levels of nutrients to get them ready for

chelation there is amazing improvement, making the parents wonder if

they really need chelation or just the nutrients. It certainly lends

credence to the idea that the heavy metals are interfering with the

absorption of what the cells need to function well. One 3 yr old

girl gained 50 words in her vocabulary within 1 wk to 10 days of the

nutrient program alone! Anyway, in short, I still feel that yeast and

viruses are a factor in most of our kids, and that there is no doubt

a genetic susceptibility lurking here somewhere, and which comes

first remains a mystery, but heavy metals remind me of the proverbial

nail in the shoe that has to be removed before the sore is going to

get well no matter what medicine you put on it, so it is to me a rich

possibility to pursue. (Some of Dr. G's patients are asking me if I

will evaluate them for Hg, which apparently he calls alternative

medicine and wants no part of.) He is a man with a mission, and I

dearly hope he gets the immunomodulator products he feels is the

ultimate answer to this disorder; I will be one of the first to line

up for them. In the meantime, I want to do anything I can that won't

harm the kids to get them better while I'm waiting, and remain in an

ongoing learning, growing, changing mode and open to help from

wherever I can get it. (That includes higher sources!). Good luck

to all. (Please do not post private e-mails to me; anything I have

to say must be for the list; I've learned not to give specific advice

on the internet. Thanks!!) Jaquelyn.

[Guest guest]

Ricci, I'm not sure what you mean by contempt before investigation but if you

mean " investigation " in terms of trying things on children rather than

controlled studies, I'd have to disagree. The first rule of medicine is to

do no harm and a part of that is loving your child enough as he or she is

without risking their health on unproven " cures " . We had our first visit

with Dr. Goldberg last week and I found him to be a very compassionate and

caring person. Nobody has all the answers but, believe me, I have spent

years researching all the possible roads you can travel to help an autistic

child and I have never come across any that make as much sense as . I

wish you luck and hope you find the answers you're looking for.

[Guest guest]

There has also been a recent research study conducted by Dr. Bock,

of Rhineback Health Institute on Autism with 4 Life's Transfer Factor.

These results to the best of knowledge has not been released as of yet. The

study is complete with amazing results. Dr. Boch is Board Certified Family

Practice Physician, Co-founder and Co-director or Rhineback Health Institute

which deals with Progressive Medicine. These results should be made public

in the near future. If you want to learn more about Transfer Factor you can

research at

www.my4life.com/help4theworld . There is clinical research study published

on medline using Transfer Factor on Autism. There is a conference call with

Dr. Carol Reecer that discusses Transfer Factor from 4 Life on Monday night

at 10 pm EST to listen to her with her results from Transfer Factor. That

is on toll free number 1-800-261-3228. Listen to this important call and

hear the research for yourself.

jwhelp@...

HHV6/antivirals

>

>

> Dear Listmates: Last year before I was swept into the mercury blitz I

> agreed with Dr. Goldberg's idea that brain viruses are probably a

> factor if not the cause in most cases of autism. I was obtaining

> viral panels and if titers were elevated, started anti-virals, which

> was usually acyclovir for the small kids and Valtrex for the older or

> hardier kids. I had one early totally startling success with an older

> high functioning socially isolated autistic girl who gradually before

> my very eyes and to her parents' amazement became a different and

> normally functioning attractive, popular no longer autistic girl,

> currently beginning her 1st year of college, a small college but

> away from home!. helped me a lot; I followed the girl with NK

> cytotoxicity tests on advice of Dr. Vojdani at Immunosciences, levels

> of which gradually became elevated as she gradually recovered from

> what we deduced was a lifelong case of HHV6 infection (continued

> occasional skin break-outs of what looked like her roseola rash which

> started her downhill slide at 4). In other words as HHV6 titers went

> down, NK levels went up, paralleling her recovery. I also maintained

> her on Monolaurin, a nutrient derived from coconut oil, and 4-Life, a

> transfer factor compound. (I would advise these for those kids who

> can't handle prescription anti-virals; I've seen no toxicity other

> than a little diarrhea sometimes with the transfer factor). With the

> other cases, including my grand-daughter Chelsey, I had them also on

> anti-yeast, GF/CF, secretin, vitamins, nutrients, you name it, and

> though some got better it was very difficult to tell what was

> helping, and none made the same startling recovery as my first case

> on anti-virals. However, at that time I would send my patients who

> had $ or good insurance to Dr. Goldberg, and several of them reported

> excellent results with his program of anti-virals etc... Then one of

> the cases I was advising on the list (I had been helping the

> pediatrician get the testing and figure dosing, etc) got into some

> health problems and the mother was concerned he was having a reaction

> to the Valtrex. It scared others on the list, including me, although

> I have never seen a bad reaction to it other than no response. It

> turned out to be something else (perhaps enzymes), and she

> subsequently went to Dr. G and continued the Valtrex with good

> success, but with no feed-back for quite awhile about the outcome of

> the child (no answer to my posts) I backed off of the anti-virals and

> began concentrating on the heavy metal issue that was just coming up

> big time around then. This seemed to bring a lot of things together

> for me, and I could understand that Hg knocks out the enzyme systems

> and allows yeast and viruses to get a hold on the tissues,

> interfering with transport of nutrients across the cell membranes and

> making it difficult to heal these opportunistic infestations. It

> seemed reasonable to me to want to get the metals out

> so healing would be more likely, especially since the truth of the

> matter is that we have very inadequate anti-virals for these

> infestations, they are very inefficient and we know they have to be

> far too toxic to the rest of the tissues to really rout the viruses

> in most cases. Yeast is hard to clear and keeps coming back; gut

> issues remain a critical problem in some kids no matter what we do.

> It is clear that the immune system and endocrine system (eg thyroid)

> which are undoubtedly impaired by heavy metals have to be evaluated

> (which is not easy), poisons (gluten, casein, heavy metals, etc)

> avoided, and nutrition very fastidiously attended to. Evidence of

> the importance of the nutritional factor is that in three of the last

> cases I have placed on high levels of nutrients to get them ready for

> chelation there is amazing improvement, making the parents wonder if

> they really need chelation or just the nutrients. It certainly lends

> credence to the idea that the heavy metals are interfering with the

> absorption of what the cells need to function well. One 3 yr old

> girl gained 50 words in her vocabulary within 1 wk to 10 days of the

> nutrient program alone! Anyway, in short, I still feel that yeast and

> viruses are a factor in most of our kids, and that there is no doubt

> a genetic susceptibility lurking here somewhere, and which comes

> first remains a mystery, but heavy metals remind me of the proverbial

> nail in the shoe that has to be removed before the sore is going to

> get well no matter what medicine you put on it, so it is to me a rich

> possibility to pursue. (Some of Dr. G's patients are asking me if I

> will evaluate them for Hg, which apparently he calls alternative

> medicine and wants no part of.) He is a man with a mission, and I

> dearly hope he gets the immunomodulator products he feels is the

> ultimate answer to this disorder; I will be one of the first to line

> up for them. In the meantime, I want to do anything I can that won't

> harm the kids to get them better while I'm waiting, and remain in an

> ongoing learning, growing, changing mode and open to help from

> wherever I can get it. (That includes higher sources!). Good luck

> to all. (Please do not post private e-mails to me; anything I have

> to say must be for the list; I've learned not to give specific advice

> on the internet. Thanks!!) Jaquelyn.

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author, and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Ricci,

I am a little confused by your post. No one has said that mercury could not

be

a trigger. I know the point I was making was that there were many potential

triggers. Just because something is the catalyst in someone who is

genetically

susceptable, doesn't mean it is still a factor in ongoing symptoms. Some

adults

end up sick after an accident, after they heal from the trauma of the

accident,

the accident is no longer a factor, but the stress was the trigger and they

end

up sick. They end up with opportunistic infections. Would it be correct to

say that accidents cause CFIDS? Accidents cause Fibro?

I think the preventingharm website is great. As you can see there are many,

many, potential triggers. We are never going to get anywhere by going after

the triggers, until we have markers that prove our children are medically

ill.

Even if we don't agree on alot of the issues, I think everyone would agree

that we need the science.

If we could get everyone behind research, we could have those markers.

We would be able to document what children are vulnerable to immune

triggers.

Cheryl

> Janette,

> Thank you for your thoughtful response. If you read some of the other

> responses you can see that, indeed, mercury related neuroimmune

> dysfunction IS not only being questioned, it is being flat out denied.

> I agree that treating the " result " must be as safe and as effective as

> possible. However, if mercury is a potential cause of neuroimmune

> dysfunction in susceptible individuals, it is preventable, and

> ignoring the trigger is just as irresponsible and reckless as not

> treating the result as safely and effectively as possible. Eliminate

> the trigger and there is no " result " in need of treatment.

>

> This is not alternative medicine embraced only by money grubbing

> quacks. I would encourage you to visit the website at

> http://www.preventingharm.org and read some of the articles there

> which have been prepared by mainstream physicians from some of the

> finest schools such as Harvard.

>

> My comments are not meant in any way to discount the importance of Dr.

> Goldberg's work. I know many children who have been helped by the

> protocol, but I know just as many who have not. I am interested

> in finding answers for ALL the children.

>

> Ricci

>

[Guest guest]

Eileen:

I do not want to stir up trouble, just lay out the facts. Chelation is

dangerous for anyone. There is no way all of the mercury will come out

during a chelation therapy. The mercury left in the body is what becomes the

dangerous problem for these kids. It can go directly to the brain and cause

brain damage!! That is a fact. Do you remember when adults took out their

silver (mercury) fillings and replaced them with the

white(non-mercury)fillings. Well- some became ill, very ill!

Everyone has mercury, as everyone has toxins, effects from ozone, etc etc

etc. Mercury is not causing people/kids to get autism. It is a secondary

reason that our children are diseased/ill/ autistic, whatever term you want

to use. All these kids have a dysfunctional immune system, not all kids

have viruses. The kids who do not have viruses are NOT treated with anti

virals.That was incorrect on your part!

Dr. Goldberg's protocol in treating these (neuro immune dysfunctional

syndrome) children allows the immune system to be cooled off so IT WORKS

PROPERLY AND THEN THE CHILD CAN FIGHT OFF DISEASE, OZONE EFFECTS, MERCURY,

IMMUNIZATION , ECZEMA, ALLERGIES ...ETC ETC ETC.

We as parents are being fooled and manipulated by the whole industry of what

is called autism. There is a multi-million dollar business out there and I

can assure you that none of the $$$$ is being used to find out why OUR kids

have these problems. Dr. Goldberg received ABSOLUTELY NOTHING in terms of

dollars and cents to help our children. He has the science and the logic to

explain why our kids are ill (diseased) and what can be done to prevent,

treat and possibly cure them. Where does it state that chelation will cure?

Where does it state that your child can become pemanently brain damaged from

a treatment called chelation. Get the facts!!!! Please get the facts!!!

Michele Davies

[Guest guest]

Since, for the most part, Hep B is sexually transmitted I would think that

the vaccination could be safely postponed until the teenage years. Kathy

Northern New York

[Guest guest]

We don't do lab work looking for viruses we look for titers of antibodies.

The choice to use an antibiotic or any medication for that matter in the

absence of positive lab work is based upon history, physical, and experience.

That is the art of medicine as opposed to the science I would suppose. When I

rode around on a Mobile Health Van I sent in a number of patients to the

Emergency Room based upon my feeling that they didn't look good although I

could not find any physical signs to back me up (we had no lab capabilities

on the van). My feelings were based upon 10 years of seeing patients. Anyone

can read a laundry list of drugs and match them up with lab work the tricky

part is adding the patient to the equation. Kathy Coalition-Northern New

York

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your post, Kathy!!

To Anyone Interested in Finding Out why Chelation Is

Dangerous!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :

When you do Chelation you are disrupting your entire normal body cellular

mechanism. If someone truly has a heavy metal poisoning in their body then

the negatives of doing chelation is far outweighed that you better get that

metal out of your body! Let's start looking at the SCIENCE!!!!! Check the

medical literature and GET THE FACTS. These are children, not animals. I

wouldn't even perform this on an animal.

When chelation is being performed what you are attempting is to get out all

the heavy metal, lead. It is impossible to have all these removed 100%.

There will be some left behind. Therefore what will actually happen is

increasing these lead, metal (Mercury) levels " one - hundred folds " to the

brain. There are reputable literature reports stating, " that when you try to

mobilize heavy metals like that you are actually going to other areas of your

brain!!!! "

Michele C. Davies

(Quotes of medical literature given)

[Guest guest]

Michele,

Please attach the research articles you are quoting.

Eileen

[Guest guest]

Why don't we just get the children's routine adult caregivers (ie: parents,

teachers, day care workers) vaccinated , and then we won't have to be

vaccinating newborns for Hepatitis B.

Janette

Re: Re: chelation

> Since, for the most part, Hep B is sexually transmitted I would think that

> the vaccination could be safely postponed until the teenage years. Kathy

> Northern New York

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[Guest guest]

Eileen:

I went to the library. You will find this information in any

medical literature re: Chelation and Mercury poisoning.

Good Luck!

Michele

PS- If you get the chance to attend the upcoming seminars:

One is in San and the other is in Des Moines, Iowa,

I am sure that the qualified individuals speaking will shed

some light on this.