Re: Coral Calcium

May 13, 2003

Lynn,

I have not gotten a chance to finish reading it yet. I think that sounds like

a good place to start. I too may quit the coral calcium as it is expensive,

but I just wanted to make sure I was getting enough cal/mag as I don't drink

a lot of raw milk or use a lot of dairy and I got rather burnt out on kale.

Chat with you later.

Theresa

May 13, 2003

Lucky you in California!!! I'm on the other side in Atlanta Georgia.

I think there are many more people following NT and RVAF type diets

out where you are. You guys seem to often set the pace for the rest

of us!

I'm using a powder from Dr. Barefoot. I will look at Premier labs

coral calcium although I may just stop it. I think I read somehwere

on the live-food site some differing opinions of it. I need to look

at the archives for it.

Have you read the new WPF neewsletter. I just read the article today

on broths and gelatin. I believe maybe I need to really focus more on

that for my minerals along with green juices.

Lynn

> Lynn,

>

> What coral calcium are you taking? I am using one from Premier

Research Labs

> and is very balanced in Cal/Mag. The green juice or powder just

might do the

> trick. where do you live, if you don't mind me asking. I am looking

for

> people in my area who follow WAP, in order to build some

friendships with

> others who make nutrition an important part of their family's

lifestyle. I am

> in the Bay Area, Ca.

>

> Theresa

>

May 20, 2003

I've been skeptical about coral calcium. I honestly do not have any idea

whether it is superior to other cal supplements or not, but it has bothered

me a bit that most of the promoters have argued it should be taken because of

the great health of the Okinawans, without offering *any* evidence that this

health can be trasnferred through taking coral calcium supplements.

First of all, if Okinawans drinking this calcium-rich water is responsible

for their health, taking coral calcium supplments doesn't imitate that at

all. Okinawans get 140,000 mg of calcium a day from water alone, according

to Barefoot. How many *bottles* of coral calcium will it take a day to

render that amount?

And we still don't know whether the calcium is more or less significant than

the organic compounds synthesized by the plants they eat that are fertilized

with this mineral-rich water.

Then again, I would take the industry critics and Quakwatch quack cited in

the article with a grain of salt. Still, it seems like there's been too much

hype and too little to back it up. Sure there is backing, and plenty of

anecdotal claims, but they are not a proportionate justification of all the

hype I've seen by any means.

I listened to a lecture on tape by Barefoot and he said milk was the best

source of calcium because the lactic acid in the milk keeps the calcium

ionized within our bodies. He also dismissed the choleserol/fat-->heart

disease theory as bogus and promoted cholesterol and butter being our best

friends, incidentally.

Chris

May 20, 2003

In a message dated 5/20/03 8:18:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Idol@... writes:

> They get 140g? That's about 3.5 ounces. I don't see how that much could

> be dissolved or suspended in a day's drinking water.

>

That's according to Bob Barefoot. I don't know anything about him really and

what his credibility level is. His specialty is in chemical science. I

think his degree is related to calcium, and he worked for an oil company for

a while, having something to do with the use of calcium in oil refining or

something. Don't know what he knows about dietary analysis. They could

drink about a gallon of water. A half gallon is recommended in the US, but I

easily drink a gallon based on fulfilling my thirst, so its conceivable to me

that some cultures might consider that a norm. Can 3.5 oz calcium be

suspended in a gallon of water? I honestly have no idea. It seems like

enough though that if it were dissolved the water would taste kind of funny

and not like water. Maybe more like chalk :-)

> I'm skeptical of coral calcium anyway -- I think bones and bone meal are

> probably a better source that we actually evolved eating.

>

Me too, since all of the populations that live off glacial or coral runoff

also have these runoffs going into their plants and from there to their

animals. I don't see why we should bypass nature in that respect.

Chris

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

May 20, 2003

Suze,

Interesting comments. A couple questions--

By the " whole animal " what parts are you referring to with higher magnesium?

Do different bone parts have different ratios? Or is the magnesium in

certain tissues?

Where did you find nutrient profiles of different animal bones?

I generally buy my parts of an animal according to what I have access to.

I'm probably going to buy a lamb or half lamb this summer. Do you have any

suggestions of what parts to look out for that would supply good ca/mg ratios

that we don't usually eat?

If dogs need a ca/mg ratio that is unavailable from animal foods, how did

they get it in the wild?

Thanks,

Chris

In a message dated 5/20/03 9:25:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> ---->well, here is one possible reason to use coral calcium (or some other

> similar cal/mag supp.) over bonemeal...i don't think bonemeal has the same

> low ca/mg ratio as the coral calcium product. in fact, i just ordered some

> cc from radiant life for that very reason - the ca/mg ratio, as i've been

> looking for a decent product with a low ratio. i don't know about humans,

> but for dogs, the ca/*ph* ratio is important, and bonemeal is pretty high

> in

> ph, so when i add it to a meat only meal, its not really a good ca/ph ratio

> for them, nor does it provide the mg i think is necessary to balance with

> the ca. my dogs do get bones daily in at least one meal, but i do a

> boneless

> meal as well, so needed a supp with very low ph, and a low ca/mg ratio. i'm

> somewhat skeptical of the barefoot claims that i had read a while back (and

> don't even know if it's the barefoot product i ordered, as i think there's

> more than one coral calcium brand), but that ca/mg ratio is good, which was

> my primary objective.

>

> consider that primitive folks ate the WHOLE animal, and we're not. so we

> ARE

> bypassing nature in doing so. just eating some animal bone doesn't

> necessarily mean we're eating a " natural diet. " i've been trying to get

> info

> on ca/mg ratios in whole prey, to see what a " natural " ratio might be. the

> only one with a low ca/mg ratio that that i have data for is an

> UNeviscerated rabbit. the eviscerated ones had a very high ratio. it's only

> one data point, but it IS interesting that the only intact animal (from

> dozens of nutrient profiles) was the only one with a low ca/mg ratio, which

> was in fact 3 times lower than its eviscerated counterparts. if this is

> typical, then it would suggest that mineral (and other nutrient ratios) can

> be drastically different when we pick and choose a few parts of the animal

> to consume while leaving the rest...and the ratios in the sum of the parts

> we choose to eat could potentially have negative consequences, if we don't

> try to balance them out somehow.

>

> anyway, that is my long-winded explanation of why i chose a calcium supp.

> with a low ca/mg ratio (and very little ph) from a reputable distributor

> (radiant life) over bone meal. i feed RAW bone anyway, which i think is

> better. not suggesting you guys eat raw bones, though, but since you both

> gorge on raw organs, what's a little raw bone here and there? <g>

>

> oops! that's what i get for not checking first...it's actually coral

> *legend* that i ordered from rl (2:1 ca/mg ratio), but the same concept

> applies to any ca/mg supp with similar ratios.

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

May 21, 2003

Chris-

>Okinawans get 140,000 mg of calcium a day from water alone, according

>to Barefoot.

They get 140g? That's about 3.5 ounces. I don't see how that much could

be dissolved or suspended in a day's drinking water.

I'm skeptical of coral calcium anyway -- I think bones and bone meal are

probably a better source that we actually evolved eating.

-

May 21, 2003

,

I will just tell you the program that my nutripath recommends for his

clients. He uses coral calcium, but not the one sold by Barefoot. He offers

one by Premier Research Labs. It is very high quality. He recommends taking

this with the same company's powdered aloe product as a means for

alkalinizing the body. I would say if you are using coral calcium strictly as

a calcium supplement, then it is not necessary and much to expensive. Used as

my nutripath recommends, it has been effective.

Theresa

May 21, 2003

>>>>Me too, since all of the populations that live off glacial or coral

runoff

also have these runoffs going into their plants and from there to their

animals. I don't see why we should bypass nature in that respect.

---->well, here is one possible reason to use coral calcium (or some other

similar cal/mag supp.) over bonemeal...i don't think bonemeal has the same

low ca/mg ratio as the coral calcium product. in fact, i just ordered some

cc from radiant life for that very reason - the ca/mg ratio, as i've been

looking for a decent product with a low ratio. i don't know about humans,

but for dogs, the ca/*ph* ratio is important, and bonemeal is pretty high in

ph, so when i add it to a meat only meal, its not really a good ca/ph ratio

for them, nor does it provide the mg i think is necessary to balance with

the ca. my dogs do get bones daily in at least one meal, but i do a boneless

meal as well, so needed a supp with very low ph, and a low ca/mg ratio. i'm

somewhat skeptical of the barefoot claims that i had read a while back (and

don't even know if it's the barefoot product i ordered, as i think there's

more than one coral calcium brand), but that ca/mg ratio is good, which was

my primary objective.

consider that primitive folks ate the WHOLE animal, and we're not. so we ARE

bypassing nature in doing so. just eating some animal bone doesn't

necessarily mean we're eating a " natural diet. " i've been trying to get info

on ca/mg ratios in whole prey, to see what a " natural " ratio might be. the

only one with a low ca/mg ratio that that i have data for is an

UNeviscerated rabbit. the eviscerated ones had a very high ratio. it's only

one data point, but it IS interesting that the only intact animal (from

dozens of nutrient profiles) was the only one with a low ca/mg ratio, which

was in fact 3 times lower than its eviscerated counterparts. if this is

typical, then it would suggest that mineral (and other nutrient ratios) can

be drastically different when we pick and choose a few parts of the animal

to consume while leaving the rest...and the ratios in the sum of the parts

we choose to eat could potentially have negative consequences, if we don't

try to balance them out somehow.

anyway, that is my long-winded explanation of why i chose a calcium supp.

with a low ca/mg ratio (and very little ph) from a reputable distributor

(radiant life) over bone meal. i feed RAW bone anyway, which i think is

better. not suggesting you guys eat raw bones, though, but since you both

gorge on raw organs, what's a little raw bone here and there? <g>

oops! that's what i get for not checking first...it's actually coral

*legend* that i ordered from rl (2:1 ca/mg ratio), but the same concept

applies to any ca/mg supp with similar ratios.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

May 21, 2003

Chris-

That's exactly my thinking on the matter. Who knows what the truth is,

though. In so many ways we're either completely in the dark or just about

there.

>since all of the populations that live off glacial or coral runoff

>also have these runoffs going into their plants and from there to their

>animals. I don't see why we should bypass nature in that respect.

-

May 21, 2003

Theresa,

Are you talking @ Heuer? He's great. That't the kind we carry

and recommend as well, as Suze mentioned. Our customers have had

-great- results with it, and many do use it as a calcium/mag supplement,

though it is excellent for alkalizing and providing extra energy as

well.... We reviewed the aloe several years ago but our research wasn't

conclusive. Sounds like you like it? We found that Microhydrin

provided a better compliment for alkalinization and assimilation and

many more electrons.... Maybe we'll look at the aloe again.

One consideration with resp. to the bonemeal coral discussion is that

bonemeal being a land based product won't have nearly the trace mineral

concentrations. Also it wouldn't have nearly the alkalizing effects.

Useful in different ways I suppose.

Will have to pop in to the discussion and pop out as we are continuing

our moving all week and are swamped!

Best,

Radiant Life

Re: coral calcium

,

I will just tell you the program that my nutripath recommends for his

clients. He uses coral calcium, but not the one sold by Barefoot. He

offers

one by Premier Research Labs. It is very high quality. He recommends

taking

this with the same company's powdered aloe product as a means for

alkalinizing the body. I would say if you are using coral calcium

strictly as

a calcium supplement, then it is not necessary and much to expensive.

Used as

my nutripath recommends, it has been effective.

Theresa

May 21, 2003

>>>>>By the " whole animal " what parts are you referring to with higher

magnesium?

---->none, in fact :-) in the sample i mentioned, the absolute percent of mg

actually was much lower in the UNeviscerated rabbit, BUT so was the Ca, yet

the ratio was also very low 0.64/0.53. the eviscerated samples had

significantly higher percents of ca but only slightly higher percents of mg.

but again, this is only a few data points. interesting too, in the

Uneviscerated one (GIT intact) the Cu is very high compared to the ones

without the GIT - it's 41.0 as compared to 22.2 and 3.0.

Anyway, here's the document so you can look at the charts yourself:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/zoo/WholePreyFinal02May29.pdf

>>>>Do different bone parts have different ratios? Or is the magnesium in

certain tissues?

----->i don't know. i just figured that the GIT must've been a significant

portion of the animal with low concentrations of these minerals, which

drove the absolute percents of ca, mg and p down when it was NOT removed.

>>>>Where did you find nutrient profiles of different animal bones?

------->not bone - *whole* prey. see above. I do have a few just bone

profiles, too though :-)

>>>I generally buy my parts of an animal according to what I have access to.

I'm probably going to buy a lamb or half lamb this summer. Do you have any

suggestions of what parts to look out for that would supply good ca/mg

ratios

that we don't usually eat?

-------->i don't know...perhaps someone else does..?

>>>If dogs need a ca/mg ratio that is unavailable from animal foods, how did

they get it in the wild?

-------->oh, but it IS available from animal foods when you feed the WHOLE

prey, not just PARTS of it, as most of us do (lacking decent sources for

*whole* prey).

my thinking is that the ratio in this whole rabbit is actually probably a

reasonable representation of the ratios that ARE healthy for dogs. the ca/p

ratio is within the range that is recommended for dogs, too, btw. there is

no specific ca/mg *ratio* recommended for dogs, but the national research

council determines the " minimum nutrient requirements of dogs " which is no

more reliable than RDAs for humans to my thinking, but their minimum

requirements for ca and mg work out to a ratio of approx. 15:1 if a dog is

just getting minimal requirements of each of these minerals in order to

prevent deficiency symptoms. this really has very little to do with

*healthy* ratios, and i suspect it's way off. in the whole rabbit, the ratio

of ca/mg was 3.5:1. i bet *that's* much closer to a healthy ratio for dogs.

so i certainly think nature IS providing just what they need in

the_whole_prey. BUT, as i mentioned, like many or most folks who feed a

whole-prey *based* diet, i don't have access to quality *whole* prey, so i

feed as many different parts that i can, and fill in the gaps with other

foods. that's where the coral legend comes in...it has a ca/mg ratio that is

almost the same as this whole rabbit so when i feed a meal withouth bone,

adding a ca/mg supplement helps balance the ca/p ratios (because the meat is

high in P), and also the ca/mg ratios, as provided by the supplement.

although i can't say i'm not missing some other nutrient that i haven't

thought of, or that these are the only 3 that count. these are things i'm

still working on....i used to add ground eggshell to their meat/organ meals

until it occured to me that justing adding a ca source without mg might not

be a good idea.

Suze Fisher

Lapdog Design, Inc.

Web Design & Development

http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg/

mailto:s.fisher22@...

Re: coral calcium

Suze,

Interesting comments. A couple questions--

By the " whole animal " what parts are you referring to with higher magnesium?

Do different bone parts have different ratios? Or is the magnesium in

certain tissues?

Where did you find nutrient profiles of different animal bones?

I generally buy my parts of an animal according to what I have access to.

I'm probably going to buy a lamb or half lamb this summer. Do you have any

suggestions of what parts to look out for that would supply good ca/mg

ratios

that we don't usually eat?

If dogs need a ca/mg ratio that is unavailable from animal foods, how did

they get it in the wild?

Thanks,

Chris

In a message dated 5/20/03 9:25:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

s.fisher22@... writes:

> ---->well, here is one possible reason to use coral calcium (or some other

> similar cal/mag supp.) over bonemeal...i don't think bonemeal has the same

> low ca/mg ratio as the coral calcium product. in fact, i just ordered some

> cc from radiant life for that very reason - the ca/mg ratio, as i've been

> looking for a decent product with a low ratio. i don't know about humans,

> but for dogs, the ca/*ph* ratio is important, and bonemeal is pretty high

> in

> ph, so when i add it to a meat only meal, its not really a good ca/ph

ratio

> for them, nor does it provide the mg i think is necessary to balance with

> the ca. my dogs do get bones daily in at least one meal, but i do a

> boneless

> meal as well, so needed a supp with very low ph, and a low ca/mg ratio.

i'm

> somewhat skeptical of the barefoot claims that i had read a while back

(and

> don't even know if it's the barefoot product i ordered, as i think there's

> more than one coral calcium brand), but that ca/mg ratio is good, which

was

> my primary objective.

>

> consider that primitive folks ate the WHOLE animal, and we're not. so we

> ARE

> bypassing nature in doing so. just eating some animal bone doesn't

> necessarily mean we're eating a " natural diet. " i've been trying to get

> info

> on ca/mg ratios in whole prey, to see what a " natural " ratio might be. the

> only one with a low ca/mg ratio that that i have data for is an

> UNeviscerated rabbit. the eviscerated ones had a very high ratio. it's

only

> one data point, but it IS interesting that the only intact animal (from

> dozens of nutrient profiles) was the only one with a low ca/mg ratio,

which

> was in fact 3 times lower than its eviscerated counterparts. if this is

> typical, then it would suggest that mineral (and other nutrient ratios)

can

> be drastically different when we pick and choose a few parts of the animal

> to consume while leaving the rest...and the ratios in the sum of the parts

> we choose to eat could potentially have negative consequences, if we don't

> try to balance them out somehow.

>

> anyway, that is my long-winded explanation of why i chose a calcium supp.

> with a low ca/mg ratio (and very little ph) from a reputable distributor

> (radiant life) over bone meal. i feed RAW bone anyway, which i think is

> better. not suggesting you guys eat raw bones, though, but since you both

> gorge on raw organs, what's a little raw bone here and there? <g>

>

> oops! that's what i get for not checking first...it's actually coral

> *legend* that i ordered from rl (2:1 ca/mg ratio), but the same concept

> applies to any ca/mg supp with similar ratios.

" To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or that we

are

to stand by the president, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and

servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public. " --Theodore

Roosevelt

May 21, 2003

-

>We reviewed the aloe several years ago but our research wasn't

>conclusive.

Aloe contains antroquinone, which is a powerful cathartic. IOW, it purges

the bowels. Some people think this is a great idea, a cleansing process,

but irritating the gut so much that it has to purge is not a good idea. I

believe some aloe products have the antroquinone removed, but I'm not sure

how much is left. Aloe is great for topical use, but I'd advise against

drinking or eating it.

-

June 26, 2003

What is the reasoning of the FDA? Is their something wrong with coral

calcium? Or is it the TV ad that is misleading people? Coral calcium will

not cure the host of diseases that are claimed on the TV infomercial. It

will not help with MS any more than regular calcium.

I do myself take a calcium, magnesium, zinc mix pill that will not cure me

either.

Original Message:

-----------------

From: Sally salpal@...

Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2003 16:09:36 -0000

low dose naltrexone

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] CORAL CALCIUM

<tt>

Hi all,

I heard a blurb on TV yesterday, that the FDA is trying to shut down

the company that makes Coral Calcium.

The FDA says that it is a dangerous supplement, and that everyone

should stop taking it.

I, like many other people I know, was taking Coral Calcium for a

short time, and threw it out, after hearing of this.

Of course, my respect of the FDA is low, since I believe that they

approve all kinds of drugs that are potentionally dangerous to

us......and later are forced to pull them off the shelf......after

people die. And, Yet, don't approve some of the helpful drugs that

we need.

However, I coulnd't take the chance with my health, so, just went

back to the reg calcium tablets.

I hope this information is helpful for you all.

~~Sally

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June 26, 2003

All I heard about the coral calcium is that Barefoot was making

claims that it cured people of diseases like MS. Not that it is a dangerous

supplement. Why is it dangerous?

Marie

----- Original Message -----

From: " Sally " <salpal@...>

Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 12:09 PM

Subject: [low dose naltrexone] CORAL CALCIUM

> Hi all,

> I heard a blurb on TV yesterday, that the FDA is trying to shut down

> the company that makes Coral Calcium.

> The FDA says that it is a dangerous supplement, and that everyone

> should stop taking it.

> I, like many other people I know, was taking Coral Calcium for a

> short time, and threw it out, after hearing of this.

> Of course, my respect of the FDA is low, since I believe that they

> approve all kinds of drugs that are potentionally dangerous to

> us......and later are forced to pull them off the shelf......after

> people die. And, Yet, don't approve some of the helpful drugs that

> we need.

> However, I coulnd't take the chance with my health, so, just went

> back to the reg calcium tablets.

> I hope this information is helpful for you all.

> ~~Sally

>

August 15, 2004

hovipups wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I'm impressed with all the information on this list. I got a

> question now.

> Is Coral Calcium any better than regular Calcium? It sure is darn

> expensive.

>

> thanks christa

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

Hi Christa,

Coral calcium, although it is good, is way overpriced. I also have a

problem with using the calcium from coral as coral takes so darn long to

replenish itself. It is also very very very delicate and easily damaged

and ruined. There is a much better source and that is from organic

chicken eggs or even turkey eggs. Any egg for that matter as long as it

is organic. There is a how to in the files under Organic Calcium. Much

cheaper and if you have a dog or cat they will love the rest of the egg

if you don't wish to use it.

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

August 18, 2004

From personal and family experience, the best source of calcium is from the shell of a chicken egg, organic of course. Put a whole egg, without cracks and compeletely clean, into a jar and cover it with organic lemon juice. Let it sit for about a week, gently shaking every day at least. The lemon juice will "leech" the calcium off of the egg into the liquid. Gently remove the egg after all of the shell has disolved. The egg will still be in it's membrane. It can still be eaten/boiled/fried/etc if you so desire.

I have also done this with organic apple cider vinegar, and with super tonic. It works wonders!! My wife uses it daily, and I try to as well.

hovipups <hovawart_dogs@...> wrote:

Hi, I'm impressed with all the information on this list. I got a question now. Is Coral Calcium any better than regular Calcium? It sure is darn expensive. thanks christa__________________________________________________

August 24, 2004

the purpose of coral calcium is to control pH - we tend to be too acidic... so, your mother is correct (she has a book in her shop that gives information on this - I don't have it handy, but she can tell you)

toodlesSharyn Cerniglia <sharyn.cerniglia@...> wrote:

The long and short of my answer is that I don't really know. My mom manages a Vitamin World store and switched me to coral calcium from regular calcium when it came out. It's supposed to alkalinize your body, which is the basis behind all its diverse healing claims. I've been taking it for years now. (Thank goodness for her 40% manager's discount!)

Sharyn

From: hovipups [mailto:hovawart_dogs@...] Is Coral Calcium any better than regular Calcium? It sure is darn expensive.

May 4, 2005

I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE YOU BUT I READ MANY PLACES THAT THE CORAL CALCIUM IS ALL HYPE. IT MAY NOT BE TRUE BUT THE OKINOWANS ( DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY) HAD A WONDERFUL DIET WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR LACK OF DIS-EASE AND LONGEVITY. WHY DON'T YOU TRY A BONE BUILDING FORMULA AND WHATEVER RESISTANCE TYPE ACTIVITY YOU CAN MUNSTER UP THE STRENGTH FOR? IF YOU CAN LIFT SMALL WEIGHTS, IT WILL REALLY HELP.HERE IS A FORMULA THAT IS GOOD- OSTEO-GEST CALL 800-645-9909. IT IS ONLY 12.00 FOR 180 CAPSULES. IT HAS VIT. D AND K-1 WITH BORON, SILICA, MAG, CAL, MAGANESE AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU NEED SYNERGISTICALLY FOR BONE HEALTH! Kathy

Re: [low dose naltrexone] Coral calcium

Ive been on coral calcium that comes in a "tea bag" and you put it in 1 liter of water and drink that throughout the day. It was very expensive and after being on it for months, went and had a bone scan, only to find out I'm rapidly loosing bone. Have been on various excellent brands of coral calcium powder and none of them have helped at all. I do take vit D3 daily as well and am trying to eat as much green leafy veggis as possible. Will try to and add boron to my "brew" to see if that helps.Thanks to everyone for all this info. My Mom and grandmother both have had severe osteoporosis and both hunched over quite a bit in their later years. Want to avoid, if possible doing the same.Kathy HOn 3-May-05, at 1:46 PM, cat brown wrote:> I've noticed a lot of comments on the bone mineral> loss prevelent in MS. My BMD tests were showing bone> loss despite my use of KAL brand calcium/magnesium> tablets.>> So I switched to a "whole food" form of calcium, known> as Coral Calcium. I buy the 8 oz. powder form, as> tablet forms may not be as effective. I believe that> the process of making a tablet destroys the enzymes as> it is subjected to a flash of heat as it is being> compressed into a tablet form. Hence I use a powder> form. Since I started this supplement my BMD has shown> improvement.>> The form I use comes from Ancient Widsom in Simi> Valley Ca. It can be obtained at wholesale price> ($40.00/8 oz.) if one states they were referred by> Diamond. There is no tax unless you live in> CA. Can be ordered at: 1-888-407-0448.>> I'm sure there may be other sources, this is just the> one I used, and benefited from.>> Cat Brown, LMSW> PPMS 20 years> 3 mg LDN 5 mos.>>>> Take charge of your health!> Learn about organic, therapeutic-grade essential oils> Cat Brown, LMSW (512) 912-8576> Essential Oil Practioner>> __________________________________________________>

May 4, 2005

I've read that, too, but I didn't want to say anything if no one else

said anything about it. I can't remember what form of calcium I read was

better, just that I read that coral calcium isn't really very good.

Vali

From: " kathy lintzenich " <mykittypaws@...>

Date: Tue May 3, 2005 5:07 pm

Subject: Re: Coral calcium

I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE YOU BUT I READ MANY

PLACES THAT THE CORAL CALCIUM IS ALL HYPE. IT MAY NOT BE TRUE BUT

THE OKINOWANS ( DID I SAY THAT CORRECTLY) HAD A WONDERFUL DIET WHICH

CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR LACK OF DIS-EASE AND LONGEVITY. WHY DON'T YOU TRY A

BONE BUILDING FORMULA AND WHATEVER RESISTANCE TYPE ACTIVITY YOU CAN

MUNSTER UP THE STRENGTH FOR? IF YOU CAN LIFT SMALL WEIGHTS, IT WILL

REALLY HELP.HERE IS A FORMULA THAT IS GOOD- OSTEO-GEST CALL

800-645-9909. IT IS ONLY 12.00 FOR 180 CAPSULES. IT HAS VIT. D AND

K-1 WITH BORON, SILICA, MAG, CAL, MAGANESE AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU NEED

SYNERGISTICALLY FOR BONE HEALTH! Kathy

May 4, 2005

My Mom was taking handfuls of it for a few years and is now so hunched

over, that she is almost staring at her chest. If it WAS the " wonder "

supplement it has been touted as, this should not have happened, even

at her age!! Makes me very upset, grrrr. She was going to start

selling Barefoot's coral calcium but glad she got talked out of

that. Now she would be poor advertising for the product

Kathy H

On 3-May-05, at 7:26 PM, kathy lintzenich wrote:

> HI VALI, I REALLY DIDN'T WANT TO EITHER AT THE RISK OF SOUNDING LIKE A

> KNOW IT ALL BUT I FIGURE IT MIGHT BE BETTER TO RAISE DOUBT CONCERNING

> A PRODUCT IF YOU HAVE HEARD SO MUCH NEGATIVE COMMENTS ON IT AND RISK

> UPSETTING A FEW TO PERHAPS HELP MANY. HOPE YOU ARE FEELING WELL. KATHY

>> Re: Coral calcium

>>

>> I DON'T WANT TO DISCOURAGE YOU BUT I READ MANY PLACES THAT THE CORAL

>> CALCIUM IS ALL HYPE. IT MAY NOT BE TRUE BUT THE OKINOWANS ( DID I

>> SAY THAT CORRECTLY) HAD A WONDERFUL DIET WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO THEIR

>> LACK OF DIS-EASE AND LONGEVITY. WHY DON'T YOU TRY A BONE BUILDING

>> FORMULA AND WHATEVER RESISTANCE TYPE ACTIVITY YOU CAN MUNSTER UP THE

>> STRENGTH FOR? IF YOU CAN LIFT SMALL WEIGHTS, IT WILL REALLY HELP.HERE

>> IS A FORMULA THAT IS GOOD- OSTEO-GEST CALL 800-645-9909. IT IS ONLY

>> 12.00 FOR 180 CAPSULES. IT HAS VIT. D AND K-1 WITH BORON, SILICA,

>> MAG, CAL, MAGANESE AND EVERYTHING ELSE YOU NEED SYNERGISTICALLY FOR

>> BONE HEALTH! Kathy

>>

>

May 5, 2005

Here is the result of a search on Mercola .com for bone health.

http://www.google.com/custom?cof=AH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A5cdb2968a482194d%3B & domai\

ns=www.mercola.com & sitesearch=www.mercola.com & q=bone+health & sa2=Search

have a nice day

Johanne F

May 6, 2005

jOHANNE, THAT WAS GREAT! I STARTED TAKING 7-KETO DHEA AND FIND IT IS GOOD FOR BONES PLUS MAKES YOU HAPPY!!! SERIOUSLY, IT IS VERY THOROUGH AND INFORMATIVE. I WOULD ENCOURAGE EVERYONE WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT OSTEOPOROSIS TO CHECK OUT THESE ARTICLES.

[low dose naltrexone] Re: coral calcium

Here is the result of a search on Mercola .com for bone health.http://www.google.com/custom?cof=AH%3Acenter%3BAWFID%3A5cdb2968a482194d%3B & domains=www.mercola.com & sitesearch=www.mercola.com & q=bone+health & sa2=Searchhave a nice dayJohanne F

May 13, 2005

What I know about calcium is that it is better to take it at bed time(for better absorption) together with magnesium and magnesium is good to take with B complex, I also add to all that vit C and some oil..............

Zora

Trinidad, West IndiesKathy Huget <etna@...> wrote:

Ive been on coral calcium that comes in a "tea bag" and you put it in 1 liter of water and drink that throughout the day. It was very expensive and after being on it for months, went and had a bone scan, only to find out I'm rapidly loosing bone. Have been on various excellent brands of coral calcium powder and none of them have helped at all. I do take vit D3 daily as well and am trying to eat as much green leafy veggis as possible. Will try to and add boron to my "brew" to see if that helps.Thanks to everyone for all this info. My Mom and grandmother both have had severe osteoporosis and both hunched over quite a bit in their later years. Want to avoid, if possible doing the same.Kathy HOn 3-May-05, at 1:46 PM, cat brown wrote:> I've noticed a lot of comments on the

bone mineral> loss prevelent in MS. My BMD tests were showing bone> loss despite my use of KAL brand calcium/magnesium> tablets.>> So I switched to a "whole food" form of calcium, known> as Coral Calcium. I buy the 8 oz. powder form, as> tablet forms may not be as effective. I believe that> the process of making a tablet destroys the enzymes as> it is subjected to a flash of heat as it is being> compressed into a tablet form. Hence I use a powder> form. Since I started this supplement my BMD has shown> improvement.>> The form I use comes from Ancient Widsom in Simi> Valley Ca. It can be obtained at wholesale price> ($40.00/8 oz.) if one states they were referred by> Diamond. There is no tax unless you live in> CA. Can be ordered at: 1-888-407-0448.>> I'm sure there may be other sources, this is just the> one I used, and

benefited from.>> Cat Brown, LMSW> PPMS 20 years> 3 mg LDN 5 mos.>>>> Take charge of your health!> Learn about organic, therapeutic-grade essential oils> Cat Brown, LMSW (512) 912-8576> Essential Oil Practioner>> __________________________________________________>

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