Guest guest Posted July 29, 2000 Report Share Posted July 29, 2000 You never know what might set us off, Terry! Fun, isn't it? There are some goofball researchers out there, but I think most of them are very good. I just don't know where some of them get the money. In this case of the coffee study, was it the tea industry who funded it? Sorry that your wrists are so painful. I don't know about the relationship of swelling in the wrists to pain. My wrists don't swell. I'm hoping someone else can share their experiences with you. It's a nuisance to have all of those x-rays done, but they are valuable. ----- Original Message ----- From: <tperrella@...> < egroups> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 12:39 PM Subject: [ ] Coffee > I just love all this coffee discussion. Didn't realize that question > would cause so much email. I just hope our RA research people do a > better job than the coffee people did. > > I have another dumb question being new to all this. My wrists are > starting to go down and it seems they hurt more now than when they > were swollen so bad. Is that normal? > > Also, went to the hosipital yesterday. Seems they did more xrays on > all my joints than I have had in the past twenty years. > > Terry in Ohio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 29, 2000 Report Share Posted July 29, 2000 Terry: X-rays are good. I have had very few myself and at times wondered why they weren't x-raying my joints and bones etc. Sounds consciencious to me. When you have RA you have have swelling and pain or no swelling and pain. You have have just about anything in pain from head to toe and any given time and for no reason at all except RA. Yes, its a real fun disease. You never know how you are going to wake up. You never even know if you will be able to get out of bed when you wake up. Mine go so much worse before it got better. That is not the rule of thumb though. Everybody is different. Their RA is different, their response to meds is different, their pain is different. Try not to analyze it too much and just kind of roll with it. It is easier that way. If you fight it, you get upset and more pain sets in and yada yada yada!!!! Besides, we have to be working on one of those new causes for RA. Have you any ideas yet? They're counting on us. said so. Jeannette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2000 Report Share Posted July 30, 2000 Terry, I have had RA for 30 years and learned long ago that the pain is not always related to the swelling or the sed rate. At times, my sed rate is high and i feel good. Other times, the sed rate is low and I hurt all over. I have noticed the same thing with the swelling. Pat At 05:39 PM 07/29/2000 +0000, you wrote: >I just love all this coffee discussion. Didn't realize that question >would cause so much email. I just hope our RA research people do a >better job than the coffee people did. > >I have another dumb question being new to all this. My wrists are >starting to go down and it seems they hurt more now than when they >were swollen so bad. Is that normal? > >Also, went to the hosipital yesterday. Seems they did more xrays on >all my joints than I have had in the past twenty years. > >Terry in Ohio > > > > >Our websites: http://rheumatoid.arthritis.freehosting.net/ >http://www.rasupport.webprovider.com/ >Our chat room: www.delphi.com/RheumatoidArth1/start Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 >In fact, heavy coffee >drinking is directly linked to Parkinsons - the more you drink, the less >likely you are to get it. > >Winter Any references or where you heard this? I remember this too but I'm not sure that experiments were conclusive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Francesca's post reminded my of my time in Italy. The Italians are Very particular about their coffee (the best is supposedly found in Naples...) and order it ritualistically from their favorite 'barista' or coffeeman at the bar. Variations: 1.caffe ristretto (very small amount of pithy coffee in the bottom of an impossibly small cup. 2. espresso normale (a microscopic augmentation of the above) 3. caffe macchiato (espresso with literally a dot of milk, or foam) 5. cappuccino (we all know that one) con poco latte. 6. cappuccino con molto latte 7. caffe latte (2/3 coffee and 1/3 frothy milk) 8. latte macchiato (hot foamy milk with a touch of coffee) Francesca seems to have moved to level 7! MM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Forgot to add that coffee in moderation inhibits Parkinsons. Anyone wish for the abstracts? MM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 yes ----------------------------------------- Dr. D. B. Karron, (C.T.O) Computer Aided Surgery, Inc. (CASI) 300 East 33rd Street, Suite 4N New York, New York 10016 Voice: +1 (212) 686 8748 Fax: +1 (212) 448 0261 SkyPage: +1(800) 759 8888 PIN: 1101651 e-mail: karron@... Web Site http://www.casi.net -----Original Message----- From: Mambo Mambo [mailto:mambomambo@...] Sent: Friday, June 22, 2001 9:59 AM Subject: [ ] Re: coffee Forgot to add that coffee in moderation inhibits Parkinsons. Anyone wish for the abstracts? MM _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 --- In @y..., " Mambo Mambo " <mambomambo@h...> wrote: > Forgot to add that coffee in moderation inhibits Parkinsons. Anyone wish for > the abstracts? > MM Yes. What is moderation? That is the question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 That's easy, 1 - 2 pots per day! > >Yes. What is moderation? That is the question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 In a message dated 01-06-22 19:48:43 EDT, you write: << Forgot to add that coffee in moderation inhibits Parkinsons. >> without trying to be fece-ish, I would like to see any evidence that coffee above moderation is not as effective. I drink too much and believe that too much is not enough but am not aware that only moderation is effective against parkinsons. Did the study reference an optimal or u-curve type thing. thanks Winter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2001 Report Share Posted June 23, 2001 --- In @y..., " Mambo Mambo " <mambomambo@h...> wrote: > Here's a good URL for the connection of coffee and parkinson's from the > Hawaaian Heart study. > http://faculty.washington.edu/chudler/parkinc.html > > Another article from WebMD that is more 'iffy' > > Does Coffee's Caffeine Protect Against Parkinson's Disease? > > Study Suggests Coffee Drinkers Less Likely to Be Afflicted > > By Laurie Barclay, MD > WebMD Medical News > > > But don't raid your grocery store just yet. " It's too early to say we should > go out and drink lots of coffee to avoid getting Parkinson's disease, " > researcher G. Webster Ross, MD, tells WebMD. " We can't yet establish a > cause-and-effect relationship. " Aha, there's the catch!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2001 Report Share Posted June 26, 2001 Joe wrote: >Second, with regard to the coffee issue, I think you actually had >listed it in an earlier post that I spotted today. The issue is the >caffine, and that it leaches calcium from the body. I unfortunately >do not remeber the source, so I appologize for not backing up my data. No, I wrote that soft drinks (sodas) leach calcium from the body; See Walford' latest book. Not other vitamins and minerals that I'm aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Moderation is the part with which I always have trouble! ;} " E-Mail is not to be used to pass on information or data. It should only be used for company business. " --Dilbert " Ahh, they have the internet on computers now " - Homer J. Simpson " The human race has only one truly effective weapon, and that is laughter! " - Mark Twain >From: Francesca Skelton <fskelton@...> >Reply- >< > >Subject: [ ] coffee >Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:28:19 -0500 > >Coffee in moderation has so far found to be not only harmless but actually >has some benefits. Search the archives for previous discussions on the >benefits. > > >on 11/3/2003 5:36 PM, Dowling at dowlic@... wrote: > > > > > Coffee, I believe, helps with this. But I do drink alot of it, which > > perhaps, might have negative effects in the long run.... > _________________________________________________________________ Concerned that messages may bounce because your Hotmail account has exceeded its 2MB storage limit? Get Hotmail Extra Storage! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2004 Report Share Posted February 26, 2004 Someone (I've lost the original message with the author's name) wrote: .. . . Peet’s Coffee, Uncommon Grounds, and a few Trader Joe’s brands of coffees are ok. . . . Starbucks Coffee uses filler; Tully’s Coffee uses a little bit. . . . I'm ignorant about this. I've always assumed plain coffee would be uncontaminated, completely safe. Could the filter (not filler) be a problem? I'd like to learn more. Harper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 In a message dated 6/30/2004 3:05:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, momazmat@... writes: > Dale, thanks much for your info about decaf coffee. Isn't it always the way > > that with the enjoyable things in life, there has to be a down side? > Sheesh...can't drink regular coffee, coz it gets me buzzing....oh well, " all > things in > moderation " . I probably won't eliminate decaf entirely, but its processing > is > definitely something to bear in mind. > Dale: what about " water processed " decaf? Same story? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 If you are enjoying your coffee decaf definitely stick with the WATER-PROCESSED. That means they extracted the caffeine alkaloids with water instead of dry cleaning fluid. Well, they don't use that, but it's an equally bad solvent with regular decaf and there are nasty residues that remain in the bean. Not good for you, carcinogenic and liver toxic. Buy your coffee as soon after roasting as possible, don't store it too long and don't be afraid of freezing it briefly as long as it is in a good sealed container. Grind the beans with a burr grinder just before you brew a pot. If in doubt about freezing, do a blind taste test side-by-side with some fresh roasted and some that has been frozen. See if you can tell a difference. Do you have PEACE COFFEE where you live? Not only are they the best coffee politically, eg it's all SHADE-GROWN and FAIR TRADE but they have a water-processed decaf that is out of this world. You gotta love that it's BICYCLE-DELIVERED as well. As a side-note, we enjoy our coffee made with a FRENCH PRESS POT. Yep, we're ophilic, cheese-eating, yuppie, liberal, elitist scum! Will, in the best neighborhood of Minneapolis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2004 Report Share Posted July 1, 2004 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... Dale: what about " water processed " decaf? Same story? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not too sure about that. I just know I wouldn't drink a decafe that is a Genetically Engineered bean or processed by use of chemicals. Dale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2004 Report Share Posted August 17, 2004 > Try Herbalcom.com for the roasted chicory. Seems to be a fairly good > price. I did check and it is a good price. After thinking about it, I will order from them and save my digging abilities for another project. Thanks for all of the great info on Chickory..seems like a good plant. Anne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Coffee was not decaf. That is what I usually drink now, but don't tell DH! He thinks he is drinking kick-start high octane coffee! <sneaky grin> Dinner started about 6, I did not go to sleep until 11 or 12 midnight. I also had boiled tongue, lettuce, tomatoes, avocado, lime, salsa. Cooked meat and raw veggies. Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiagoatclearing@... http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Suzanne health Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:55 AM Subject: Re: coffee Ok, coffee usually doesn't do this (if memory serves me right).. what did you have to eat and drink besides this? How long a period of time are we talking here? Was the coffee decaf?Gayla <goatclearing@...> wrote: I have cut way, way back on coffee, but last night I went to dinner and had 1 1/2 cups with dinner. I could not go to sleep for hours, of course. But an interesting side effect was that my arthritis did not bother me at all until after the initial effects of the coffee wore off. I had thought that it was getting worse because of winter and age, but last night as I lay awake thinking, it occurred to me that it has been worse since I slowed down on coffee. Any ideas on this? Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, Californiagoatclearing@... http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.htmlDial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at www.BigValley.net Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 But an interesting side effect was that my arthritis did not bother me at all until after the initial effects of the coffee wore off. I had thought that it was getting worse because of winter and age, but last night as I lay awake thinking, it occurred to me that it has been worse since I slowed down on coffee. Any ideas on this? > Gayla ============================================================ I've had arthritis type pains since I was 20, and one thing I learned was that coffee/tea will make it much better for a few hours, but then it will be worse than ever afterwards. Ditto nicotine, aspirin and alchohol. I can't say I always avoid those vices now, but when I make the choice to indulge, I am fully aware of the consequences now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2005 Report Share Posted February 10, 2005 Here one answer... " Although it's well known that caffeine helps pain relievers work better, this is the first clinical study to show that caffeine alone can work as an analgesic. Researchers gave volunteers either ibuprofen, ibuprofen and caffeine, or a dummy pill. In the first hour and a half, the group taking caffeine alone had just as much pain relief as the ibuprofen/caffeine group, indicating that initially, caffeine was responsible for the actual analgesic effect. " http://www.poolandspa.com/page408.htm Kit > I have cut way, way back on coffee, but last night I went to dinner and had 1 1/2 cups with dinner. I could not go to sleep for hours, of course. But an interesting side effect was that my arthritis did not bother me at all until after the initial effects of the coffee wore off. I had thought that it was getting worse because of winter and age, but last night as I lay awake thinking, it occurred to me that it has been worse since I slowed down on coffee. Any ideas on this? > Gayla > Always Enough Ranch > Acampo, California > goatclearing@b... > http://coloredboers.home.att.net/always.html > > > Dial Broadband has arrived Nationwide! Up to 5 times faster than traditional dialup connections from $13.33/month! See the demo for yourself at <a href= " http://www.BigValley.net " >www.BigValley.net</a> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Hi Kit, I wonder if they took into account the regular use of caffeine by members of the study. I used to use analgesics with caffeine, and when I hurt, caffeine was the only thing that helped. over-the-counter No pain reliever without caffeine did anything for me. And, of course, neither did any herbs. Nothing could beat the need for caffeine except to cut it out of my diet altogether. TerriLynne Kit wrote: Here one answer... "Although it's well known that caffeine helps pain relievers workbetter, this is the first clinical study to show that caffeine alonecan work as an analgesic. Researchers gave volunteers either ibuprofen, ibuprofen and caffeine,or a dummy pill. In the first hour and a half, the group takingcaffeine alone had just as much pain relief as the ibuprofen/caffeinegroup, indicating that initially, caffeine was responsible for theactual analgesic effect."http://www.poolandspa.com/page408.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Hi Gail, I would be very much interested. Perhaps the 5th or 6th would work. I don't have anything planned so far! Where would you like to meet? Borders at Severance? or Barns and Noble on Chagrin? That would be close to 271 and more people could attend perhaps. Gail Buffington <gailbuf@...> wrote: Hi and and other east siders, I work full-time and would not be able to attend. Would anyone be interested in an additional get-together on a Wednesday evening, or Thursday evenings after Feb 28? I'd love to meet all of you. Gail On 2/22/08, Pattison <egerpatt > wrote: Hi Gail and and anyone who is on the east side or willing to drive for a chat! I would love to do coffee! How does the first week of March look for you all? I am flexible in the mornings on the 5th, 6th and 7th. We can meet for coffee at Phenix on Lee? Let me know, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 I might would be able to evening, waiting on new glasses to come in, just had cateract surgery. So dont know about driving at night yet. Unless you didnt mind my son being around he could drive me. Pattison <egerpatt@...> wrote: Hi Gail, I would be very much interested. Perhaps the 5th or 6th would work. I don't have anything planned so far! Where would you like to meet? Borders at Severance? or Barns and Noble on Chagrin? That would be close to 271 and more people could attend perhaps. Gail Buffington <gailbufgmail> wrote: Hi and and other east siders, I work full-time and would not be able to attend. Would anyone be interested in an additional get-together on a Wednesday evening, or Thursday evenings after Feb 28? I'd love to meet all of you. Gail On 2/22/08, Pattison <egerpatt > wrote: Hi Gail and and anyone who is on the east side or willing to drive for a chat! I would love to do coffee! How does the first week of March look for you all? I am flexible in the mornings on the 5th, 6th and 7th. We can meet for coffee at Phenix on Lee? Let me know, Never miss a thing. Make your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 and Noble on Chagrin would be great, and as you said, close to 271 for others. Gail On 2/22/08, Pattison <egerpatt@...> wrote: Hi Gail, I would be very much interested. Perhaps the 5th or 6th would work. I don't have anything planned so far! Where would you like to meet? Borders at Severance? or Barns and Noble on Chagrin? That would be close to 271 and more people could attend perhaps. Gail Buffington <gailbuf@...> wrote: Hi and and other east siders, I work full-time and would not be able to attend. Would anyone be interested in an additional get-together on a Wednesday evening, or Thursday evenings after Feb 28? I'd love to meet all of you. Gail On 2/22/08, Pattison <egerpatt@...> wrote: Hi Gail and and anyone who is on the east side or willing to drive for a chat! I would love to do coffee! How does the first week of March look for you all? I am flexible in the mornings on the 5th, 6th and 7th. We can meet for coffee at Phenix on Lee? Let me know, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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