Re: Digest Number 266

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HAPPY BIRTHDAY TIERNAN TRIPLETS!! , your trip home will be another

reaon to PARTY!!

Thinking of you all with love, Debbi and Logan (almost 6) Eli (DS) and Milo,

3 1/2

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People are affected by them; they just arent' diagnosed. The mercury slowly

destroys the immune system and over time cause a lot of illness. There has

been plenty of research on this. The medical community is political and

influenced by money. The researchers are funded by pharmaceutical companies

and others who are biased for certain types of treatment.

I'm not saying your problem is mercury, but at the same time, dentists are

trained to treat silver amalgam as toxic waste!!

Best wishes,

Digest Number 266

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In a message dated 7/24/00 9:51:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< I also take thyroid hormone and testosterone. I've been able to wean the

thyroid dose down by 2/3 since January.

At this point I could probably stop a lot of this stuff but I am pretty used

to taking it and don't want to go cold turkey on it so I have been slowly

weaning off some of it for the last 6 months or so. I do generally believe

in the story behind " life extension " (which is why I knew enough about

vitamins to do something useful with them when I got really toxic in '94) so

I will keep taking a lot of this stuff even when perfectly well.

Andy

>>

Andy,

Do you take both T3 and T4, as my daughter does? How many years have you

taken them? I am still hoping to someday wean her off these hormones. In the

meantime, they have helped her become much healthier.

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In a message dated 7/25/00 12:51:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

egroups writes:

<< Reason is there was a bit of talk on the GFCF list about this not to be

used

because it had Mercury in it. Anyone know of this?

Kathleen =)

>>

Kathleen--

Our son is currently taking Effalux and he also used to do the eyes to the

side thing. I was also worried about mercury from it--I had heard that the

company would not say it was not in it, so people had assumed it was. Since

being on it, DMG, the gfcf diet we have noticed a marked improvement in his

attention. We did one round of DMSA and the urine showed not even detectable

limits on mercury. Correct me if I'm wrong anybody, but I assumed that if

the Effalux had mercury, then it would be new to his system and the DMSA

would pull it out. Since mercury was less than detectable limits, I am still

using the Effalux. Any comments????? Robbin

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<< Correct me if I'm wrong anybody, but I assumed that if

the Effalux had mercury, then it would be new to his system and the DMSA

would pull it out. Since mercury was less than detectable limits, I am still

using the Effalux. Any comments????? >>

Sounds reasonable to me. I don't really believe things until I hear

independent reports of them (the scientific thing about reproducible

experiments) but this is strongly suggestive.

Andy

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I would love to see the video, probe sheets & tracking forms! Our program is

only 3 months old, so I'm still trying to get all this stuff down. Thanks so

much!

God bless you,

Anne

31 Woodelves Place

The Woodlands, Tx. 77381

annepatte3339854@...

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I have attached a file that Dr. Carbone gave us which has a probe sheet,skill

tracking sheet and explains how to set up the notebook and do cue cards.

Hope this is helpful.

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Yesterday was a long day...don't know where my brain was sending an

attachment...sorry.

Let me know if you want it and I will email it to you.

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At 01:05 AM 8/9/00 EDT, onelessrck@... wrote:

>I have attached a file that Dr. Carbone gave us which has a probe

sheet,skill

>tracking sheet and explains how to set up the notebook and do cue cards.

>Hope this is helpful.

>

>

>

I think all attachments are being removed from these lists now.

I never see any. Can you please send it to my address. jennie@...

Thanks,

Jennie

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Dear :

The needle will probably always be there, and you will either learn

to ignore it, or it will become less uncomfortable. If you could focus

on something else when getting the shot, it will relieve some of the

tenseness in your muscles and skin, which will allow the shots to be

less irritating. If " slower " works, great, but, by body

absorbtion/irritation, there really is no change.

If you have not tried Wellbutrin, aka Zyban, it might help in

conjunction with the inhaler, and problems from the smoking withdrawal.

You may need a maximum dose, but, maybe several items at the same time

will be to your benefit.

As far as the eating goes, this may not get much better. Most people

lose their appetite, or, can only eat small amounts when they sit down.

This is NOT the time to try to lose weight, even though you will. You

may want to try either increasing the number of times you eat a day, and

smaller portions, or use some type of supplement instead of eating. You

need the vitamins, minerals, protein etc., so your body does not become

vulnerable to other problems. Do whatever it takes to try and either

maintain your weight, or try to shoot for no more than 1 lb a week.

You should take 1-2 ibuprofens, or regular tylenol just before you

lie down to sleep. The onset of problems usually occurs between 3-6

hours after the injection, and if you " premedicate " , most are able to

avoid many of the problems when they sleep. Also, with the patch, where

is the most irritation. If it is the adhesive, you can cut around the

medication, and use something else to secure it. That might cut some of

the problem. You could also try something like benadryl cream applied to

the area 1-2 hours before you place the patch. It might help to get rid

of some localized problems without taking away from the medication.

I know it is difficult, but, try to stay as positive as possible,

under the circumstances. At least you have all of us to share these

things with. Marty

[Guest guest]

Dear :

The needle will probably always be there, and you will either learn

to ignore it, or it will become less uncomfortable. If you could focus

on something else when getting the shot, it will relieve some of the

tenseness in your muscles and skin, which will allow the shots to be

less irritating. If " slower " works, great, but, by body

absorbtion/irritation, there really is no change.

If you have not tried Wellbutrin, aka Zyban, it might help in

conjunction with the inhaler, and problems from the smoking withdrawal.

You may need a maximum dose, but, maybe several items at the same time

will be to your benefit.

As far as the eating goes, this may not get much better. Most people

lose their appetite, or, can only eat small amounts when they sit down.

This is NOT the time to try to lose weight, even though you will. You

may want to try either increasing the number of times you eat a day, and

smaller portions, or use some type of supplement instead of eating. You

need the vitamins, minerals, protein etc., so your body does not become

vulnerable to other problems. Do whatever it takes to try and either

maintain your weight, or try to shoot for no more than 1 lb a week.

You should take 1-2 ibuprofens, or regular tylenol just before you

lie down to sleep. The onset of problems usually occurs between 3-6

hours after the injection, and if you " premedicate " , most are able to

avoid many of the problems when they sleep. Also, with the patch, where

is the most irritation. If it is the adhesive, you can cut around the

medication, and use something else to secure it. That might cut some of

the problem. You could also try something like benadryl cream applied to

the area 1-2 hours before you place the patch. It might help to get rid

of some localized problems without taking away from the medication.

I know it is difficult, but, try to stay as positive as possible,

under the circumstances. At least you have all of us to share these

things with. Marty

[Guest guest]

Dear :

The needle will probably always be there, and you will either learn

to ignore it, or it will become less uncomfortable. If you could focus

on something else when getting the shot, it will relieve some of the

tenseness in your muscles and skin, which will allow the shots to be

less irritating. If " slower " works, great, but, by body

absorbtion/irritation, there really is no change.

If you have not tried Wellbutrin, aka Zyban, it might help in

conjunction with the inhaler, and problems from the smoking withdrawal.

You may need a maximum dose, but, maybe several items at the same time

will be to your benefit.

As far as the eating goes, this may not get much better. Most people

lose their appetite, or, can only eat small amounts when they sit down.

This is NOT the time to try to lose weight, even though you will. You

may want to try either increasing the number of times you eat a day, and

smaller portions, or use some type of supplement instead of eating. You

need the vitamins, minerals, protein etc., so your body does not become

vulnerable to other problems. Do whatever it takes to try and either

maintain your weight, or try to shoot for no more than 1 lb a week.

You should take 1-2 ibuprofens, or regular tylenol just before you

lie down to sleep. The onset of problems usually occurs between 3-6

hours after the injection, and if you " premedicate " , most are able to

avoid many of the problems when they sleep. Also, with the patch, where

is the most irritation. If it is the adhesive, you can cut around the

medication, and use something else to secure it. That might cut some of

the problem. You could also try something like benadryl cream applied to

the area 1-2 hours before you place the patch. It might help to get rid

of some localized problems without taking away from the medication.

I know it is difficult, but, try to stay as positive as possible,

under the circumstances. At least you have all of us to share these

things with. Marty

[Guest guest]

Dear :

The needle will probably always be there, and you will either learn

to ignore it, or it will become less uncomfortable. If you could focus

on something else when getting the shot, it will relieve some of the

tenseness in your muscles and skin, which will allow the shots to be

less irritating. If " slower " works, great, but, by body

absorbtion/irritation, there really is no change.

If you have not tried Wellbutrin, aka Zyban, it might help in

conjunction with the inhaler, and problems from the smoking withdrawal.

You may need a maximum dose, but, maybe several items at the same time

will be to your benefit.

As far as the eating goes, this may not get much better. Most people

lose their appetite, or, can only eat small amounts when they sit down.

This is NOT the time to try to lose weight, even though you will. You

may want to try either increasing the number of times you eat a day, and

smaller portions, or use some type of supplement instead of eating. You

need the vitamins, minerals, protein etc., so your body does not become

vulnerable to other problems. Do whatever it takes to try and either

maintain your weight, or try to shoot for no more than 1 lb a week.

You should take 1-2 ibuprofens, or regular tylenol just before you

lie down to sleep. The onset of problems usually occurs between 3-6

hours after the injection, and if you " premedicate " , most are able to

avoid many of the problems when they sleep. Also, with the patch, where

is the most irritation. If it is the adhesive, you can cut around the

medication, and use something else to secure it. That might cut some of

the problem. You could also try something like benadryl cream applied to

the area 1-2 hours before you place the patch. It might help to get rid

of some localized problems without taking away from the medication.

I know it is difficult, but, try to stay as positive as possible,

under the circumstances. At least you have all of us to share these

things with. Marty

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Hi Everyone,

I know I have been missing in action lately. I've been reading the posts but

have'nt had the chance to respond, I've been so busy working on the

conference with and Dr. Katz. All the information on the conference will

be posted soon we're just smoothing out the last couple of details. I hope to

meet all of you at the dinner, it's going to be an evening to remember.

Just a quick note we are going to see the lawyer on tuesday. We got our 2nd

IEP and it was a bigger joke than the first. Clearly we are getting no where

with the district so we are going to see Stacey to find out if we have a

case. Hope we do because I do not want Bobby in their program and we can't

afford the Summit Speech School on our own. I will let you know how things

go.

Keep a look out for the conference info you're not gonna want to miss this.

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Doesn't drinking prune juice for days give you liquid bowel movements (for

DAYS?!!). Is this a more effective cleanse than drinking high fiber drinks? I

have rheumatoid arthritis and have benefited from water fasts in the past, but

my joints became really swollen and sore before a five day fast was over. I'm

trying to find a better way to detox. I don't want to spend 3-6 days reading on

the throne!

Hi ,

>

> The purpose of the prune juice is to keep the bowels moving. As you

> cleanse your body is dumping toxins into the bowels and if you don't

> keep them moving you just reabsorb them which only leads to further

> problems. This is exactly what I am suggesting and is also what Dr.

> and others suggest. However, it is your choice to do the

> cleanse how you wish. These cleanses have been around awhile and are

> tried and true. They are born out of lots of practice, trial and error.

>

> Okay so now you know my suggestion. LOL

>

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> Peace, love and light,

>

> Don Quai

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cweeks@... wrote:

>

> >

> > =====================

> Doesn't drinking prune juice for days give you liquid bowel movements (for

> DAYS?!!). Is this a more effective cleanse than drinking high fiber

> drinks? I

> have rheumatoid arthritis and have benefited from water fasts in the

> past, but

> my joints became really swollen and sore before a five day fast was

> over. I'm

> trying to find a better way to detox. I don't want to spend 3-6 days

> reading on

> the throne!

>

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Hi ,

Not necessarily. If your bowels move just fine without the prune juice

than leave it out. If your bowels aren't moving then you need to use the

prune juice. Personally I would suggest that you do a juice fast using

Celery, Parsley, Carrots and Beets. I would also suggest that you take 2

ounces of Wheat grass juice per day. Taking a tablespoonful of vinegar

and honey will help to alkalinize your system. Drinking distilled water

with lemon in it will help in removing excess mucus and dissolving

inorganic minerals from the muscles and joints. Cut out all mucus

forming foods and allow the healing to begin.

You can overcome your rheumatoid arthritis just by changing your diet

and doing the juicing cleanses. I would still suggest you use prune

juice unless your bowels move easily.

Peace be with you .

--

Peace, love and light,

Don Quai

" Spirit sleeps in the mineral, breathes in the vegetable, dreams in the animal

and wakes in man. "

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Donna,

Sorry about the not so positive Mammogram. Its probably nothing. Better to be

over cautious right?

To all-

Ack I fell and hurt my elbow....My theme song is " I get knocked down "

So Friday I took off. Saturday we went trail running/hiking for about an hour

and a half. Sunday we played tennis (me a bit handi-capped by the wlbow) and

today I did light weights focusing mostly on the legs. I might walk or do a

FitTv workout when I get home.

I did do Taebo Extreme 2 last week and REALLY liked it. The best one yet since

the advanced tapes. I haven't gotten boot camp yet. Maybe for Valentines Day.

I also did the Cardio Groove from I got for a buck at Target.

Not bad for a dollar. Very begginer workout, but fun for someone who doesn't

want to spend a bunch of money on intro videos.

Does anyone know of a good cheap recipe CD that doesn't have complicated or mega

ingredient recipes??

a

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Bruce,

Isn't inulin in some store bought yogurts? I have bought some like I

believe Stonefield and noticed I had extreme gas with the yougurt. Looked

on the label and it contained inulin. I do not tolerate it very well.

Deb

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There is a ton of research linking Cpn to disease. It

depends on what you mean by " conclusive. "

The best, although a bit outdated, review is

Stratton's at this link. You can download the pdf for

pay, buty I'll try and cut/paste into a following

email.

Jim

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_ob=IssueURL & _tockey=%23TOC%234967%232000%2\

3999819992%23261948%23FLP%23 & _auth=y & view=c & _acct=C000050221 & _version=1 & _urlVers\

ion=0 & _userid=10 & md5=0fdcbce75856d888ac6aaf808aeff194

These are from Wheldon's website and are mostly MS

oriented:

1. Balin BJ, Gérard HC, Arking EJ, Appelt DM, Branigan

PJ, Abrams JT, Whittum-

Hudson JA, Hudson AP. Identification and localization

of Chlamydia pneumoniae in the

Alzheimer’s brain. Med Microbiol Immunol 1998; 187:

23-42

2. Sriram S, Stratton CW, Yao S, Tharp A, Ding L,

Bannan JD, WM.

Chlamydia pneumoniae infection of the CNS in multiple

sclerosis. Ann Neurol 1999; 46:1 6-14

3 Layh-Schmitt G, Bendl C, Hildt U, Dong-Si T, Juttler

E, Schnitzler P, Grond-Ginsbach

C, Grau AJ. Evidence for infection with Chlamydia

pneumoniae in a subgroup of patients with

multiple sclerosis. Ann Neurol 2000; 47:5 652-5

4 Hintzen R, et al Chlamydia pneumoniae infections

linked to disease flare-ups in

multiple sclerosis patients. Presentation at the 2003

Conference of the Association of American

Neurologists (April 3, 2003)

5 Munger KL, Peeling RW, Hernán MA, Chasan-Taber L,

Olek MJ, Hankinson SE,

Hunter D, Ascherio A. Infection with Chlamydia

pneumoniae and risk of multiple sclerosis.

Epidemiology 2003 14:2 141-147

6 Dong-Si T, Weber J, Liu YB, Buhmann C, Bauer H,

Bendl C, Schnitzler P, Grond-

Ginsbach C, Grau AJ. Increased prevalence of and gene

transcription by Chlamydia

pneumoniae in cerebrospinal fluid of patients with

relapsing-remitting multiple sclerosis. J

Neurol. 2004 May;251(5):542-547.

7 Prabhakar S, Kurien E, Gupta RS, Zielinski S,

Freedman MS. Heat shock protein

immunoreactivity in CSF: correlation with oligoclonal

banding and demyelinating disease.

Australian Neurology. 1994 Sep;44(9):1644-8.

8 Cid C, Alvarez-Cermeno JC, Camafeita E, Salinas M,

Alcazar A.

Antibodies reactive to heat shock protein 90 induce

oligodendrocyte precursor cell death in

culture. Implications for demyelination in multiple

sclerosis. FASEB J. 2004 Feb;18(2):409-11.

9 Barnett, M H Prineas, J W. Relapsing and remitting

Multiple Sclerosis: pathology of

the Newly Forming lesion. ls of Neurology Vol 55

No 4 April 2004.

10 Sriram S, WM and Stratton CW. Multiple

sclerosis associated with

Chlamydia pneumoniae infection of the CNS. Neurology

1998 502: 571-572.

11 Sriram, S., Song, Y., Moses, H., Stratton, C.W.,

Wolinsky J.: A pilot study to examine

the effect of antibiotic therapy on MRI outcomes in

relapsing remitting MS. Poster Presentation.

Presented at the Annual Meeting of the American

Academy of Neurology, San Francisco, CA,

2004.

12 Towler HM, Lightman S. Symptomatic intraocular

inflammation in multiple sclerosis.

Clin Experiment Ophthalmol. 2000 28(2):97-102.

13 Vine AK Severe periphlebitis, peripheral retinal

ischemia, and preretinal

neovascularization in patients with multiple sclerosis

Am J Ophthalmol. 1992 ;113(1):28-32

14 Ruby AJ, Jampol LM Crohn's disease and retinal

vascular disease Am J Ophthalmol.

1990;110(4):349-53

15 Stratton CW and WM Pyoderma gangrenosum

and Chlamydia pneumoniae

infection in a diabetic man: pathogenic role or

coincidence? J Am Acad Dermatol 2000; 42(2)

295-297

16 Gerard HC, Schumacher HR, El-Gabalawy H,

Goldbach-Mansky R, Hudson AP.

Chlamydia pneumoniae present in the human synovium are

viable and metabolically active.

Microb Pathog. 2000 Jul;29(1):17-24.

17 Geissler A, Andus T, Roth M, Kullmann F, Caesar I,

Held P, Gross V, Feuerbach S,

Scholmerich J. Focal white-matter lesions in brain of

patients with inflammatory bowel disease.

Lancet. 1995 345:897-8.

18 Jens Gieffers, Henriette Füllgraf, Jürgen Jahn,

Matthias Klinger, Klaus Dalhoff, Hugo

A. Katus, Werner Solbach, and Matthias Maass Chlamydia

pneumoniae infection in circulating

human monocytes is refractory to antibiotic treatment,

Circulation, 2001; 103: 351 - 356.

19 Wegner C and s P M. A new view of the

cortex; new insights into multiple

sclerosis. (Review) Brain 2003 126:8 1719-1721

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Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 02:14:25 -0000

From: " Hodologica " <usenethod@...>

Subject: chlamydia, ReA - an interesting one

I had not been aware of any direct, conclusive

evidence linking

chlamydial persistence, despite abx, to any disease.

In chlamydia-

associated " reactive " arthritis, Nanagara (who did a

similar study on

borrelia) demonstrated persistence of C. trachmoatis

in the joint.

This study is ten years old and so far (only a little

searching) I

have not found significant subsequent work taking up

this angle. Does

anyone know what is the current leading treatment for

chronic

chlamydia-associated reactive arthritis / Reiters

syndrome? Are

patients told this is probably an aseptic illness?