Cell phones

[Guest guest]

I bought my first cell phone several years ago. At one point I had 7 horses

in the horse trailer and 3 dogs in the truck. I realized it wouldn't take

much to get in trouble. I got the cheapest plan available and didn't give

the number to anyone. It was piece of mind.

A couple years ago I stumbled while walking my dogs in the woods. I broke my

leg. Sure wish I had a cell phone with me then!! I do lots of things alone

around the farm. The cell phone is a security item to me now.

When my brother was diagnosed with liver cancer I changed plans. I upgraded

to free long distance so I could keep in contact without sky high phone

bills.

Earlier this year I got rid of my landline phone and went all cell phone.

I'm even doing the internet over the cell phone. I'm saving $50 a month over

the cost of landline, cell phone, and ISP. Paying about what I did just for

the landline! It wouldn't work if there were a bunch of kids here using the

phone and internet all the time. But works just great for me!If I don't want

to be bothered I can always turn it off! I also used my old phone number

(that I've had 25 years) so I didn't need to make any changes anywhere.

I also have a cell phone tower in my pasture. The contract states that they

will take it down and restore the site to it's original condition when it's

over. So it won't be rusty eyesore. I've also never found dead birds around

it and my cats don't hang out there either <G>. The hawks like to perch on

it and watch my chickens!

Kathie

> I understand what you are saying . We travel a lot and have

> often thought of buying one to keep in the car for emergenices but

> haven't. I am opposed to all the towers they are building all over

> the country that kill hundreds of birds. When technology develops

> more they will probably be left to rust. I saw this happen in Ohio

> with some of the gas wells. Not a pretty sight. Almost every time

> I am on the road I see people talking on them and slowly pulling out

> in front of people. I think they are very unsafe while driving.

> What did we do for help before cell phones? You can not avoid all

> hazards no matter what you do. Still fighting against owning one

> though! The only way I would have one is for emergencies only but

> then I don't care much for telephones either and the last thing I

> want is someone calling me when I am not home.

>

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/30/2005 8:52:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,

noelalexis2000@... writes:

I think they are very unsafe while driving.

Hey, just when I thought it was the women who were bad I almost got run over

by a middle aged white guy weaving all over the road arguing on his phone. So

much for profiling. The really hilarious people are the ones who have the

lapel mics and look like they're talking to themselves in the supermarket. I

always like to move my lips and point at something so they'll disrupt their call

and ask me what I said. As much as I believe in freedom and think we have

too many laws, I think we need to do something about people driving and talking

on the phone, especially the vegetarians. Isn't it true that in the UK you're

not allowed to drive and use the phone?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/30/2005 4:33:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sharonferris@... writes:

He was probably arguing with his wife, so it was really the woman's fault,

eh?????

I won't touch that statement but I think cell phones permeate all walks of

life. I think it's a little sad, really. People interrupting conversations,

movies, theater, etc to answer cell phones is a rude habit. People with a cell

phone stuck in their ear all of the time miss a lot that's going on around

them (LOL--like cars careening out of their way). There's a lot to be said for

peace and quiet. When I had jury duty, the judge said for everyone to shut off

their cell phones. He also said that any cell phone that rings would be

immediately confiscated and destroyed. It's Georgia, gotta love it.

[Guest guest]

Re: cell phones

> It wouldn't work if there were a bunch of kids here using the

> phone and internet all the time.

<I'm laughing at my own situation> I have a bunch of kids here using the

phone and internet all the time...two of my own teenagers and a " stray " that

I have temporary guardianship of.

I'm strongly considering going with a cable modem for my internet and just

turning off the phone.

90% of the cell phone minutes I use are " free " , so it's not that much of a

stretch.

;-) Ellen

[Guest guest]

He was probably arguing with his wife, so it was really the woman's fault,

eh?????

Re: cell phones

In a message dated 1/30/2005 8:52:04 AM Eastern Standard Time,

noelalexis2000@... writes:

I think they are very unsafe while driving.

Hey, just when I thought it was the women who were bad I almost got run over

by a middle aged white guy weaving all over the road arguing on his phone. So

much for profiling. The really hilarious people are the ones who have the

lapel mics and look like they're talking to themselves in the supermarket. I

always like to move my lips and point at something so they'll disrupt their

call

and ask me what I said. As much as I believe in freedom and think we have

too many laws, I think we need to do something about people driving and

talking

on the phone, especially the vegetarians. Isn't it true that in the UK you're

not allowed to drive and use the phone?

[Guest guest]

The school I work at has a huge problem with students with cell phones (like

camera phones taking pictures of tests)

We also have a huge budget crisis coming our way.

I suggested confiscating all the cell phones that students have out during

school hours and selling them on ebay.

;-)

[Guest guest]

I agree about the over use of cell phones but when you are travelling on

business, they sure come in handy.

Re: cell phones

In a message dated 1/30/2005 4:33:17 PM Eastern Standard Time,

sharonferris@... writes:

He was probably arguing with his wife, so it was really the woman's fault,

eh?????

I won't touch that statement but I think cell phones permeate all walks of

life. I think it's a little sad, really. People interrupting conversations,

movies, theater, etc to answer cell phones is a rude habit. People with a

cell

phone stuck in their ear all of the time miss a lot that's going on around

them (LOL--like cars careening out of their way). There's a lot to be said

for

peace and quiet. When I had jury duty, the judge said for everyone to shut

off

their cell phones. He also said that any cell phone that rings would be

immediately confiscated and destroyed. It's Georgia, gotta love it.

[Guest guest]

>> Isn't it true that in the UK you're

not allowed to drive and use the phone?

**That is true but first you have to be caught and be unlucky enough to be seen

by officers with time on their hands - unfortunately they are so short on

manpower that it is not much of a threat.

)

Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

[Guest guest]

>>He was probably arguing with his wife, so it was really the woman's fault,

eh?????

**Don't encourage him ;o)

)

Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

[Guest guest]

LOL I couldn't help it, I knew he was probably thinking it.

Re: cell phones

>>He was probably arguing with his wife, so it was really the woman's fault,

eh?????

**Don't encourage him ;o)

)

Be a Transformer, Not a Conformer,

Observe the Masses, And then do the Opposite !

http://www.freewebs.com/inspire/

[Guest guest]

Maddviking@... wrote: Isn't it true that in the UK you're

> not allowed to drive and use the phone?

>

Also in WA state.

But nobody seems to abide by it, not even bus drivers who can write off

a lot of folks in one prang.

(prang is SA for crash - you know - where everyone cooks by microwave

and doesn't need a stove).

...Irene

--

Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom.

P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703.

http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html

Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor.

[Guest guest]

Hi -

Try a " Kyocera " phone - I have one and love it - Also, use Verizon service.

Rosemary in California

N24 11/99

>From: " forensictom2003 " <forensictom2003@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Cell phones

>Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:19:22 -0000

>

>Hi,

>

>I'm trying to figure out a cell phone that works well with CI's. We

>tried the Samsung SCH-a670's (my wife and I) and when she calls me on

>that phone, I keep hearing a " whoosh " sound over and over again. I'm

>trying to figure out if it is the phone or something else. I even

>tried the Plantronics headset and still got that sound. The phone is

>totally digital so I don't know if that has something to do with it.

>There is another model the Samsung SCH-a650 that is a Tri-band, not

>totally digital. Perhaps this might work? I am trying to get a plan at

>Verizon wireless. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

>

>Tom

>N24C 3G

>Implanted 12/04; Activated 1/05

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tom,

I will have my LGvx4500 at the meeting tonight for you to try.

Cheers,

Evel

> Hi,

>

> I'm trying to figure out a cell phone that works well with CI's. We

> tried the Samsung SCH-a670's (my wife and I) and when she calls me on

> that phone, I keep hearing a " whoosh " sound over and over again. I'm

> trying to figure out if it is the phone or something else. I even

> tried the Plantronics headset and still got that sound. The phone is

> totally digital so I don't know if that has something to do with it.

> There is another model the Samsung SCH-a650 that is a Tri-band, not

> totally digital. Perhaps this might work? I am trying to get a plan at

> Verizon wireless. Any advice would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Tom

> N24C 3G

> Implanted 12/04; Activated 1/05

[Guest guest]

Becky,

Initially my CI journey was not a happy one, but in time it did improve. I

am interested in knowing about your CI journey.

[Guest guest]

Becky,

Could you tell us why your CI journey has not been positive? That is,

if you don't mind sharing. Most people on here have had good

experiences, and those who haven't don't often get heard. I think

people reading the posts here should be informed as to the possibility

of a not so great implant experience so that we are all well informed.

Thanks,

> My husband and I have cell phones (flip phones) and

> when he needs to call me he does it by test message.

> I read the message and call him back..answer the

> message and hang up the phone. He will then text me

> if my answer requires further questions. I cannot

> understand anything on the telephone with my CI. So

> we had to work out a solution that would work for us.

> I wear my phone and have it set to vibrate and not

> ring. I also have the CapTel telephone that requires

> an operator. It has a small computer screen that the

> operator types whatever the person I'm talking to is

> saying. My CI journey has been a horrible

> experience...one I wish I had not taken. sometimes

> there are things worse than being deaf.

> Becky

>

>

>

> ____________________________________________________

> Start your day with - make it your home page

> http://www./r/hs

[Guest guest]

,

Best thing you could do is try them out. Maket changes so much you may

not get what someone uses. I have an Audiovox 9900 which Verizon only had

on the market for a few weeks. It oursold all their other phones, and that

is why they yanked it. The most popular phone ever and I was fortunate that

someone gave me tois one. I did have to have audio mizing pout on my 3G so

I could ehar myself speak. Not all phones support the side talk and its

really weird when you are talking on the phone and cannot hear your own

voice. My phone works great with or witout t coil on.

*---* *---* *---* *---* *---*

It's a good thing we have gravity or else when birds died they'd just stay

right up there. Hunters would be all confused.

& Dreamer Doll (Guide Dawggie)

Newport, Oregon

N24C 3G 8/2000 Hookup

rclark0276@...

http://webpages.charter.net/dog_guide/ NEW Home Page!

[Guest guest]

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From: curtisrtanner@...

cindy4baskets@...

Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 11:00 AM

Subject: cell phones

To Mike and .

Go to http://www.phonak.com/com_028-0096-xx_microlink_freedom.pdf

You will find that Phonax already has an FM Wireless system for the Freedom

called Microlink Freedom. It has Bluetooth technology for use with Bluetooth

phones and other similar equipped devices.

I don't know the cost, I believe it must be bought through a dealer.

Curtis Tanner

Freedom 10/6/05

Activated 10/17/05

[Guest guest]

thanks !

>

> -----Forwarded Message-----

> >From: scott@...

> >Sent: Feb 6, 2006 8:23 PM

> >mind-l

> >Subject: [mind-l] cell phones

> >

> >Why I am building a Faraday cage around my pantry...

> >

> > http://www.wymsey.co.uk/wymchron/cooking.htm

> >

> >how to cook an egg in about three minutes using two cell phones

and a sound

> >source.

> >

> >Bon appetite!

> >

> >

> >1000 chattering monkeys

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sue,

The huge cell phones made in the 1980s were analog (1st Generation or

1G) and these are said to be a lot safer than the digital phones

which came out in the early 1990s (2G). We now have 3G phones

(photos, video, Internet etc.) which seem to be far worse than the 2G

phones and I am sure emit much more radiation.

I resisted having a cell phone for years and 6 months after I bought

one I became sick. I have since cancelled my contract. I still have

slight pain in the two places where I used to keep it - the heart and

the right testicle. Bioresonance testing showed that I had sackie

virus in the heart and CMV near the right testicle. Just a

coincidence? I suspect not.

Regards,

paul

Anyone interested in discussing the implications of EMFs on CFS

please join the following group:

cfsemf/

>

> >

> Hi ,

>

> You quote Coghill:

>

> > Immune system 'attacked by mobile phones'

> > Scientists have doubts about the safety of mobile phones

> > Radiation from mobile phones can severely damage the human immune

> > system, a scientist has claimed.

>

> Do you know if there's much difference between the safety of the

little

> bitty phones that people carry around and the huge ancient phone we

> keep plugged into our cigarette lighter? The cell phone company

keeps

> urging us to upgrade, but we get ours for $12 a month and use it

only

> in car emergencies. I'm not afraid of it, just wondering...

>

> Sue ,

> Upstate New York

>

[Guest guest]

I don't use my cellphone a lot but...the cellphone towers are

everywhere anyway. Aren't those dangerous no matter what?

> >

> > >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > You quote Coghill:

> >

> > > Immune system 'attacked by mobile phones'

> > > Scientists have doubts about the safety of mobile phones

> > > Radiation from mobile phones can severely damage the human immune

> > > system, a scientist has claimed.

> >

> > Do you know if there's much difference between the safety of the

> little

> > bitty phones that people carry around and the huge ancient phone we

> > keep plugged into our cigarette lighter? The cell phone company

> keeps

> > urging us to upgrade, but we get ours for $12 a month and use it

> only

> > in car emergencies. I'm not afraid of it, just wondering...

> >

> > Sue ,

> > Upstate New York

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Jill,

Of course, the cell towers are dangerous no matter what, particularly if

you are within a mile or so. In NYC you probably have several within

every mile. Also because it is 'NYC' no doubt you also have all types

of corporate communications, govt and mil systems, many broadcast

stations, etc.

Here is some irony - I worked on an RFR (radio-freq radiation) hazard

safety project for the US Mil right after I came down with CFS. Now

years later I have discovered I am EMF sensitive (to cell towers!).

Their 'line' was that the only risk is thermal injury - if you get too

close to microwave or radar you may get a burn. That's IT. They don't

want to know about non-thermal effects, even though many frequencies and

wavelengths they are using match human brain functions. Recent research

is showing that there are significant non-thermal effects, basically

functional interference. Perhaps PWC are particularly vulnerable given

our channelopathies, high metal load, etc. For example, think of what

happens when you put metal in the microwave. Then think of what will

happen with a 24x7 open-air microwave broadcast, even a weak one, on a

person who has a high metal load (thanks to our liver issues).

--Kurt

SPAM-MED: Re: cell phones

I don't use my cellphone a lot but...the cellphone towers are

everywhere anyway. Aren't those dangerous no matter what?

> >

> > >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > You quote Coghill:

> >

> > > Immune system 'attacked by mobile phones'

> > > Scientists have doubts about the safety of mobile phones

> > > Radiation from mobile phones can severely damage the human immune

> > > system, a scientist has claimed.

> >

> > Do you know if there's much difference between the safety of the

> little

> > bitty phones that people carry around and the huge ancient phone we

> > keep plugged into our cigarette lighter? The cell phone company

> keeps

> > urging us to upgrade, but we get ours for $12 a month and use it

> only

> > in car emergencies. I'm not afraid of it, just wondering...

> >

> > Sue ,

> > Upstate New York

> >

>

This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with

each other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any

treatment discussed here, please consult your doctor.

[Guest guest]

Hi, Kurt.

I hesitate to get embroiled in this emf sensitivity discussion,

because there is a great deal that I don't know about it. However, I

can't let this one go by!

From the standpoint of electromagnetic induction, there is a very big

difference between exposing metal in the metallic state in the form of

an electrical conductor of macroscopic size, such as putting a piece

of metal in a microwave oven, and exposing biological tissue that has

metal distributed in it as individual ions, not in contact with each

other. The physics in these two situations is totally different. I'm

not saying that there are no electromagnetic effects on biological

systems, just that an argument such as this one is not scientifically

valid.

Rich

Perhaps PWC are particularly vulnerable given

> our channelopathies, high metal load, etc. For example, think of

what

> happens when you put metal in the microwave. Then think of what will

> happen with a 24x7 open-air microwave broadcast, even a weak one, on

a

> person who has a high metal load (thanks to our liver issues).

>

> --Kurt

[Guest guest]

Rich,

I wouldn't get too caught up in the conceptions of things because

sometimes they can blind us to what is actually real - what is

actually in front of our eyes, what we feel, i.e, our perceptions.

There are two ways of knowing the world - thru our apprehensions and

our comprehensions. Unfortunately, people are sometimes blinded by

their comprehensions. But for people who are electrosensitive it is

the perceptions that reign. My personal experience is that I can

tolerate EMFs much better since I chelated the metals out of my body.

I don't need any so-called " scientific " proof for this. I know what I

feel and I know what I apprehend and this forms the basis for my

conceptions and my comprehensions. I hope that makes sense. Sorry if

it sounds pedantic.

Peace,

paul

>

> Perhaps PWC are particularly vulnerable given

> > our channelopathies, high metal load, etc. For example, think of

> what

> > happens when you put metal in the microwave. Then think of what

will

> > happen with a 24x7 open-air microwave broadcast, even a weak one,

on

> a

> > person who has a high metal load (thanks to our liver issues).

> >

> > --Kurt

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, .

Thank you for your response.

I hope you understand that I was not arguing against your

perceptions. I think that people's perceptions are usually quite

valid, at least insofar as they apply to them personally, and they

often serve as the motivation for pursuing scientific investigation.

I'm willing to believe that you found that your emf sensitivity

dropped off some after you detoxed heavy metals. I think that's a

great piece of data. And, of course, being a scientist, it causes

me to wonder immediately what the mechanism might be at the level of

physics and physiology. Assuming that your experience is valid,

there could be a more or less lengthy sequence of cause and effect

between the presence of the heavy metals in the body and the

perceived effects of electromagnetic fields. An electromagnetic

field cannot induce a current directly between heavy metal ions that

are separated in biological tissue, as compared with being fused

together in the metallic state in a wire, for example.

My point was that if someone is going to argue on a scientific

basis, it is important to make sure that the argument is

scientifically valid. Otherwise, it will do more harm than good to

an argument based only on perception, especially if the majority of

people do not share that particular personal perception themselves.

In saying this, I'm not trying to offend either Kurt or yourself,

but actually trying to help you.

I don't know if you are familiar with the lecture given by C.P. Snow

at Cambridge back in 1959, about the existence of two cultures, one

represented by the scientists, and the other by the literary people,

separated by a big gap in their approach to things and in their

understanding of natural phenomena. I think that what he said then

is still valid today. I think that in order to bridge the gap

between these two cultures on the topic of emf sensitivity, which I

believe will have to be done if this cause of yours is going to get

any real traction, someone is going to have to do their homework on

the physics and the physiology, and put together a model for these

effects in a way that makes scientific sense, and that will explain

why some people perceive these effects, while most apparently do

not. Otherwise, those who have the same personal perception of emf

effects that you do are going to agree with you fervently, and those

who don't (who also appear to be in the majority) will continue to

discount your perceptions. Of course, this situation is made more

difficult by the extensive use of electromagnetic devices, the

benefits people experience from them, and the huge economic force

behind them at this point.

This happens with other issues as well. Multiple chemical

sensitivity is one that comes to mind. In the presence of this

situation, issues of this sort usually become quickly embroiled in

political activism movements, opposed by economic interests, the

science is ignored, and not much in the way of real understanding or

forward movement comes out of it. It becomes a lot of " sound and

fury, signifying nothing. "

For years, I was involved in research on nuclear waste management.

I think that issue is somewhat similar, though not the same, because

people can't really perceive the effects of ionizing radiation

directly at small dose rates, so they substitute their imagination

about them, which is fed to a large degree by movies that depict

nuclear radiation and radioactive materials as the ultimate ogres.

Of course, there's also the spectre of nuclear weapons. As someone

said, if the first application of electricity had been the electric

chair, electricity would be a lot less popular today, too (The

ironic thing is that this was one of the early applications, and was

used by none other than Edison in the argument about the

relative safety of a.c. and d.c. current!) But the political

standoff becomes the same.

Please note that I am not suggesting that you are imagining your

perception of the effects of electromagnetic fields on your body--

not at all.

In my opinion, the lack of general credibility for Rife therapy and

other electromagnetic therapies, magnet therapy, and " energy

medicine " in general results from this same problem. There are lots

of perceptions, but not much conception, in your words, and as a

result, the general public and the medical establishment tends to

view these things as crackpot, while in fact there may be some very

interesting physics and physiology going on that do in fact produce

benefit. Certainly there are many individuals who claim that they

are very sure from their own personal perceptions that these things

have helped them, and I tend to believe them, especially if they are

credible in general, and don't have an axe to grind, and I have met

and talked to such people.

I actually worked on a related scientific problem a while back, and

posted a physical and physiological model for Rife therapy to the

Lyme-Rife group. There was very little serious discussion of it

there, though, because most of the people there were what I would

call " tinkerers, " and they were not oriented or equipped to try to

understand how their devices might actually be working in a

biological system. I haven't had time to follow up on it since

then, but I still think it's an interesting problem, and I think

somebody should work on this. There are just too many good things

to work on!

As I recall, there is some published scientific literature on

nonthermal emf effects on biological systems, and I think you have

cited some of it. It's been a long time since I looked at it, but

as I recall, some of it was coming from the Scandinavian countries.

I think there is some work suggesting suppression of melatonin

secretion. At the AACFS meeting in Wisconsin last October, there

was a paper reporting on the effect of overhead power lines on milk

production in cows. I think I saw some work suggesting an actual

temperature rise in the head of people using cell phones, but I

don't know how well the work was done, and I know that you are

focusing on nonthermal effects. When I was in the Army back in 1968-

70, I looked into this general area some, because I was assigned the

job of trying to find out if there was a way to cause people hiding

in ambush (as in Vietnam) to move, so that they could be detected by

Doppler radar. I got out of the Army before that study was

finished, but I don't think it led to anything.

Anyway, , I'm not your enemy. (Now that you know I was in Army

research and also that I worked on nuclear waste, you may have your

doubts about that!) I just think that you would benefit by getting

some scientific support, if science is not your bag, personally.

Otherwise, I think the number of allies you will have in your cause

will be limited.

Best regards,

Rich

>

> Rich,

>

> I wouldn't get too caught up in the conceptions of things because

> sometimes they can blind us to what is actually real - what is

> actually in front of our eyes, what we feel, i.e, our perceptions.

> There are two ways of knowing the world - thru our apprehensions

and

> our comprehensions. Unfortunately, people are sometimes blinded by

> their comprehensions. But for people who are electrosensitive it

is

> the perceptions that reign. My personal experience is that I can

> tolerate EMFs much better since I chelated the metals out of my

body.

> I don't need any so-called " scientific " proof for this. I know

what I

> feel and I know what I apprehend and this forms the basis for my

> conceptions and my comprehensions. I hope that makes sense. Sorry

if

> it sounds pedantic.

>

> Peace,

>

> paul

[Guest guest]

Hi

I agree with to the extent of saying that only robots need

metal spare parts and all metals should be removed. If your brain

and cranium and jaw etc have these need this will increase the

impact of EMF radiation on you.

Sunny thoughts,

Wallace

> >

> > Rich,

> >

> > I wouldn't get too caught up in the conceptions of things

because

> > sometimes they can blind us to what is actually real - what is

> > actually in front of our eyes, what we feel, i.e, our

perceptions.

> > There are two ways of knowing the world - thru our apprehensions

> and

> > our comprehensions. Unfortunately, people are sometimes blinded

by

> > their comprehensions. But for people who are electrosensitive it

> is

> > the perceptions that reign. My personal experience is that I can

> > tolerate EMFs much better since I chelated the metals out of my

> body.

> > I don't need any so-called " scientific " proof for this. I know

> what I

> > feel and I know what I apprehend and this forms the basis for my

> > conceptions and my comprehensions. I hope that makes sense.

Sorry

> if

> > it sounds pedantic.

> >

> > Peace,

> >

> > paul

>