Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hi Tasha, I don't give Max anyone of those drinks either. He only gets apple juice water downed when he waked from aesthesia. it's liek a treat he really wants nothing to do with. Yes, will do great...as always! Any improvement? Aekta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to > Erie. > > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the > surgery/casting not > > > to start until 11:00. > > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just > put a time > > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they > will not give > > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not > having to > > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that > time. > > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. > And always > > > thinking ahead. > > > Tasha > > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hi , I was very surprised when they allowed Max to have some. I wonder if this is why he acted so violently when he woke both tiem is Erie. He's never done such in Chicago where they never let Max have anything after midnight. And he's always recovered from anesthesia there vey well except soem crabbiness. Our recovery experience in Erie was my biggest disappointment. Otherwise everyone in Erie was very kind. Aekta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to > Erie. > > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the > surgery/casting not > > > to start until 11:00. > > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just > put a time > > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they > will not give > > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not > having to > > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that > time. > > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. > And always > > > thinking ahead. > > > Tasha > > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 A little. He still fights me when I go to tuck the diaper up in the cast. I can't help, but think at this point he remembers it hurting and automatically assume it will again. Although the back I do believe truly hurts him. This may sound mean, but with no skin irritations that I can see, no signs of infection(fever), he will just have to get use to it. I think we may even try to flare it a tad. What about Max? I saw where you said he was not happy again when you went grocery shopping. It made me remember that when had his 1st cast, may have been his 2nd, he was not happy in shopping carts, high chairs or his stroller. Standing, sitting or playing he was fine. Maybe there is something about the way he has to sit in a cart that is painful. Who knows? I sure wish they could really talk to us. Explain what is hurting. Anyway I hope he learns to deal with it like I hope does with this cast. Take care, Tasha babymaxpd wrote: Hi Tasha, I don't give Max anyone of those drinks either. He only gets apple juice water downed when he waked from aesthesia. it's liek a treat he really wants nothing to do with. Yes, will do great...as always! Any improvement? Aekta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to > Erie. > > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the > surgery/casting not > > > to start until 11:00. > > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just > put a time > > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they > will not give > > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not > having to > > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that > time. > > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. > And always > > > thinking ahead. > > > Tasha > > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 A little. He still fights me when I go to tuck the diaper up in the cast. I can't help, but think at this point he remembers it hurting and automatically assume it will again. Although the back I do believe truly hurts him. This may sound mean, but with no skin irritations that I can see, no signs of infection(fever), he will just have to get use to it. I think we may even try to flare it a tad. What about Max? I saw where you said he was not happy again when you went grocery shopping. It made me remember that when had his 1st cast, may have been his 2nd, he was not happy in shopping carts, high chairs or his stroller. Standing, sitting or playing he was fine. Maybe there is something about the way he has to sit in a cart that is painful. Who knows? I sure wish they could really talk to us. Explain what is hurting. Anyway I hope he learns to deal with it like I hope does with this cast. Take care, Tasha babymaxpd wrote: Hi Tasha, I don't give Max anyone of those drinks either. He only gets apple juice water downed when he waked from aesthesia. it's liek a treat he really wants nothing to do with. Yes, will do great...as always! Any improvement? Aekta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to > Erie. > > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the > surgery/casting not > > > to start until 11:00. > > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just > put a time > > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they > will not give > > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not > having to > > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that > time. > > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. > And always > > > thinking ahead. > > > Tasha > > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 They've always told me nothing after midnight in Erie. I wonder if they have changed their policies. Ian usually wakes with the anesthesia " delirium " which is no fun, but there have been times when he has woken up just fine and I can't really say why some times are better than others. Noelle (12-2-01) Ian (8-15-04) Re: Just curious Hi , I was very surprised when they allowed Max to have some. I wonder if this is why he acted so violently when he woke both tiem is Erie. He's never done such in Chicago where they never let Max have anything after midnight. And he's always recovered from anesthesia there vey well except soem crabbiness. Our recovery experience in Erie was my biggest disappointment. Otherwise everyone in Erie was very kind. Aekta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to > Erie. > > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the > surgery/casting not > > > to start until 11:00. > > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just > put a time > > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they > will not give > > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not > having to > > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that > time. > > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. > And always > > > thinking ahead. > > > Tasha > > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 They've always told me nothing after midnight in Erie. I wonder if they have changed their policies. Ian usually wakes with the anesthesia " delirium " which is no fun, but there have been times when he has woken up just fine and I can't really say why some times are better than others. Noelle (12-2-01) Ian (8-15-04) Re: Just curious Hi , I was very surprised when they allowed Max to have some. I wonder if this is why he acted so violently when he woke both tiem is Erie. He's never done such in Chicago where they never let Max have anything after midnight. And he's always recovered from anesthesia there vey well except soem crabbiness. Our recovery experience in Erie was my biggest disappointment. Otherwise everyone in Erie was very kind. Aekta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to > Erie. > > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the > surgery/casting not > > > to start until 11:00. > > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just > put a time > > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they > will not give > > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not > having to > > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that > time. > > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. > And always > > > thinking ahead. > > > Tasha > > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Hello to all I would like to say that my mom is the seamstress that has talked about. She made my son a cooling vest when he got his first cast in May. We have played with them to get them just right. I would like to tell you all that they do work. We live in Denver Colorado and have used it several times. As soon as gets back from the ETP's her and my mom will get together and get them made and sent. I believe took a couple to the ETP's with her to show the doctors. Feel free to email and ask any questions. Rochelle mom of Devyn 22months Scoliosis, Chiari Malformation. Tiffanni 9yrs ADHD. Dominic 6yrs ADHD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to Erie. > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the surgery/casting not > > to start until 11:00. > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just put a time > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they will not give > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not having to > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that time. > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. And always > > thinking ahead. > > Tasha > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > --------------------------------- > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Hello to all I would like to say that my mom is the seamstress that has talked about. She made my son a cooling vest when he got his first cast in May. We have played with them to get them just right. I would like to tell you all that they do work. We live in Denver Colorado and have used it several times. As soon as gets back from the ETP's her and my mom will get together and get them made and sent. I believe took a couple to the ETP's with her to show the doctors. Feel free to email and ask any questions. Rochelle mom of Devyn 22months Scoliosis, Chiari Malformation. Tiffanni 9yrs ADHD. Dominic 6yrs ADHD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to Erie. > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the surgery/casting not > > to start until 11:00. > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just put a time > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they will not give > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not having to > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that time. > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. And always > > thinking ahead. > > Tasha > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > --------------------------------- > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Hello to all I would like to say that my mom is the seamstress that has talked about. She made my son a cooling vest when he got his first cast in May. We have played with them to get them just right. I would like to tell you all that they do work. We live in Denver Colorado and have used it several times. As soon as gets back from the ETP's her and my mom will get together and get them made and sent. I believe took a couple to the ETP's with her to show the doctors. Feel free to email and ask any questions. Rochelle mom of Devyn 22months Scoliosis, Chiari Malformation. Tiffanni 9yrs ADHD. Dominic 6yrs ADHD > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to Erie. > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the surgery/casting not > > to start until 11:00. > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just put a time > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they will not give > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not having to > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that time. > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. And always > > thinking ahead. > > Tasha > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > --------------------------------- > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Hi I just wanted to comment on how geneva is when she wakes up and we are told nothing after midnight. 2 times she woke up crying for a while and this last time she stayed asleep for like an hour and a half! She was knocked out I was worried but the nurses watched her very closely and her vitals were fine. I feel tha it has to do with the dr who puts them to sleep. I also notice geneva wakes up each time with a new attitude!! Its funny she also threw up a few times after wards. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Re: Re: Just curious They've always told me nothing after midnight in Erie. I wonder if they have changed their policies. Ian usually wakes with the anesthesia " delirium " which is no fun, but there have been times when he has woken up just fine and I can't really say why some times are better than others. Noelle (12-2-01) Ian (8-15-04) Re: Just curious Hi , I was very surprised when they allowed Max to have some. I wonder if this is why he acted so violently when he woke both tiem is Erie. He's never done such in Chicago where they never let Max have anything after midnight. And he's always recovered from anesthesia there vey well except soem crabbiness. Our recovery experience in Erie was my biggest disappointment. Otherwise everyone in Erie was very kind. Aekta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to > Erie. > > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the > surgery/casting not > > > to start until 11:00. > > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just > put a time > > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they > will not give > > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not > having to > > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that > time. > > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. > And always > > > thinking ahead. > > > Tasha > > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2007 Report Share Posted August 16, 2007 Hi I just wanted to comment on how geneva is when she wakes up and we are told nothing after midnight. 2 times she woke up crying for a while and this last time she stayed asleep for like an hour and a half! She was knocked out I was worried but the nurses watched her very closely and her vitals were fine. I feel tha it has to do with the dr who puts them to sleep. I also notice geneva wakes up each time with a new attitude!! Its funny she also threw up a few times after wards. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile Re: Re: Just curious They've always told me nothing after midnight in Erie. I wonder if they have changed their policies. Ian usually wakes with the anesthesia " delirium " which is no fun, but there have been times when he has woken up just fine and I can't really say why some times are better than others. Noelle (12-2-01) Ian (8-15-04) Re: Just curious Hi , I was very surprised when they allowed Max to have some. I wonder if this is why he acted so violently when he woke both tiem is Erie. He's never done such in Chicago where they never let Max have anything after midnight. And he's always recovered from anesthesia there vey well except soem crabbiness. Our recovery experience in Erie was my biggest disappointment. Otherwise everyone in Erie was very kind. Aekta > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > Today I received the Appt. Itinerary for 's 1st visit to > Erie. > > > It shows us to be there to admissions at 6:30, but the > surgery/casting not > > > to start until 11:00. > > > Do you think that is a correct time for casting or do they just > put a time > > > down until closer to that date? I know at ish Rite they > will not give > > > me a firm time until a few days before. > > > We are accustomed to being at the hospital VERY early, but not > having to > > > wait that length of time before they take him back. > > > I am thinking how very fussy and hungry would be by that > time. > > > I know it is a couple of months away, but I was just curious. > And always > > > thinking ahead. > > > Tasha > > > Mommy of twin boys- and 28mths > > > Fort Worth, Texas > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > Building a website is a piece of cake. > > > Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 1:28 PM, alicelkins <alicelkins@...> wrote: > > -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a child > can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was > actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this > study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement > that we are constantly surrounded by germs and our immune systems > deal with them, so injecting many germs should be no problem? He pulled this out of hit butt! If you think about it, the human body couldn't even handle 10,000 injections of normal saline... the body would not be able to remain in stasis and that much of anything, even water, would kill. > -So in nature we are exposed to viruses, bacteria, etc. through our > respiratory/digestive filtering tracts. However, in nature to my > knowledge, we are never exposed to human viruses synthetically > attached to random animal cells. For example, polio virus and monkey > kidney cells. How in the world do researchers think there is no > consequence when unnaturally combining the two! It's just what you said... arrogance and pure greed. > -For all you Bible believers out there: As Christians our family > tries to follow the old Testament food laws as we believe that in > God's infinite wisdom He gave humans information on how to protect > themselves from certain diseases/illnesses by avoiding " unclean " > animals (such as rabbits, pigs, monkeys, horses, vultures,most > insects, shellfish, catfish, etc.) which even today science has > produced information regarding some of these toxic animals also. > Just how many of our vaccines are prepared with these " unclean " > animals? Also, the Bible speaks about hybridizing and not crossing > species barriers so how do we not classify injecting directly into > our bodies the DNA of animals crossing the species barrier? Could > humans be reaping the consequences of this violation evident in > cancer and other illnesses? This notion is one of the reasons I would never have a problem using a religious exemption, if I had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 In your research you have to go back to the 1800s and work your way up. the point is virus. The virus (which means poison from Latin) was not a speck of something dead which comes to life magnified 70,000 times which they isolated and picked up and mixed with all the other poisons. The virus(poison) was the infection or pus that was taken from a sick animal and mixed up with the other poisons. This is a tough roe to hoe because everyone from the 4th grade on is taught that a virus is non-living thing which comes to life AFTER it attacks? the cell. All medical so called science is based on conclusions as to the cause of disease. Its a long subject. Let me give you an example. They had a disease of tobacco leaves back in the 1800s. They took the dying (diseased) leaf ground it up added chemicals to it make it like a soup. Then they poured it on a healthy leaf. The healthy leaf then died(became diseased). Their conclusion was that something in the poison soup they made caused the leaf to die, rather then the poison soup itself. Example if you were to paint yourself, your entire body with paint and you suffocated and died, would these same people conclude that you died because your entire body was poisoned or there was some unseen agent in the paint that did you in? When they took the polio virus, they were taking the virus(pus) from a dead polio victim, animal or human and mixing it with other poisons to neutralize the pus they would inject into another healthy monkey and then human. If you read all their propaganda and inject the true definition of poison rather then a dead speck coming to life it makes more sense. Think about this if germs really cause disease and those germs are in the air, water, trees, money, floors, cars, I could go on forever, but you get the idea. How could injecting (according to them) more germs into your body prevent you from being attacked by all those germs on the planet. If their silly ideas had any merit at all we would have to get shot up almost every day. According to them Im wondering how I ever made it this long without their poisons. I know most of you are shaking your head on this idea, but as long as you believe that germs are making people sick rather than the so-called American diet, the medical Allopaths win and we suffer by taking their poisonous drugs and vaccines.. Herd immunity is as stupid as for Profit Offit. That book is a great read, but as long as people believe in dead specks coming to life, instead of the simple fact they are injecting TRUE VIRUS which is just poison in the body we will get nowhere fast. Something to ponder. Jim O' Founder of S.I.N.B.A.D Shots in bodys are dangerous and drugs(meds)too Just curious Ok, so I'm constantly pondering the rationales behind vaccinating in regards to efficacy, herd immunity, etc. and ideas/questions constantly pop into my head. Perhaps such questions you all have pondered also and have some information to share with me. -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a child can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement that we are constantly surrounded by germs and our immune systems deal with them, so injecting many germs should be no problem? -So in nature we are exposed to viruses, bacteria, etc. through our respiratory/ digestive filtering tracts. However, in nature to my knowledge, we are never exposed to human viruses synthetically attached to random animal cells. For example, polio virus and monkey kidney cells. How in the world do researchers think there is no consequence when unnaturally combining the two! -For all you Bible believers out there: As Christians our family tries to follow the old Testament food laws as we believe that in God's infinite wisdom He gave humans information on how to protect themselves from certain diseases/illnesses by avoiding " unclean " animals (such as rabbits, pigs, monkeys, horses, vultures,most insects, shellfish, catfish, etc.) which even today science has produced information regarding some of these toxic animals also. Just how many of our vaccines are prepared with these " unclean " animals? Also, the Bible speaks about hybridizing and not crossing species barriers so how do we not classify injecting directly into our bodies the DNA of animals crossing the species barrier? Could humans be reaping the consequences of this violation evident in cancer and other illnesses? I'm currently reading the fascinating book " The Virus and the Vaccine " the story of the SV40 virus in the polio vaccine in the 60's (and possibly today even) and this animal/human issue amazes me and baffles me at the same time. I'm amazed at man's arrogance and ignorance. Salk, Sabin and other " vested " interests constantly dismissed repeated scientific experiments showing that the monkey viruses (begign viruses in the monkey itself) that were not killed by formaldehyde, when injected into other species including human cells created tumors and cancer but didn't react when the conclusion was raised that this would potentially harm the millions of victims that recieved the vaccine. The detection of these damaging animal viruses were still in infancy and some like SV40 were not even visible under a microscope for over 2 weeks when injected into human cultures. So how many more invisible viruses are going unnoticed in these cultures but injected into human bodies even today? Anyway, just some points to ponder as I see the vaccine issue as something much larger than what it appears to be on the surface. Any thoughts? Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 > -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a child > can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was > actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this > study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement > that we are constantly surrounded by germs and our immune systems > deal with them, so injecting many germs should be no problem? I'm not 100% certain but I think he theorizes that a newborn and baby encounters so many new things/germs/viruses/toxins/etc when its born that whatever is in a vaccine is a drop in the bucket in comparison - no big deal. I don't believe he has anything to back up his point. He thinks, on the one hand, that babies have super human immune systems. Yet, on the other hand, they don't have super human immune systems so we need to give them vaccines. > -So in nature we are exposed to viruses, bacteria, etc. through our > respiratory/digestive filtering tracts. However, in nature to my > knowledge, we are never exposed to human viruses synthetically > attached to random animal cells. For example, polio virus and monkey > kidney cells. How in the world do researchers think there is no > consequence when unnaturally combining the two! The problem is that so many don't think or question what they have been told. Someone recently made this point and I think it's true. For the most part when you're in school, you memorize facts and figures just to pass a test. How many times do you question the material you're taught? Plus, some people probably don't understand the concept that money drives everything in our democratic society. We like to think that everyone out there - gov, drs, pharma, etc - has our best interest in mind and wouldn't allow something unhealthy on the market, something that could harm us all, right? I know I suffered from this delusion myself until recently. > -For all you Bible believers out there: As Christians our family > tries to follow the old Testament food laws as we believe that in > God's infinite wisdom He gave humans information on how to protect > themselves from certain diseases/illnesses by avoiding " unclean " > animals (such as rabbits, pigs, monkeys, horses, vultures,most > insects, shellfish, catfish, etc.) which even today science has > produced information regarding some of these toxic animals also. > Just how many of our vaccines are prepared with these " unclean " > animals? Also, the Bible speaks about hybridizing and not crossing > species barriers so how do we not classify injecting directly into > our bodies the DNA of animals crossing the species barrier? Could > humans be reaping the consequences of this violation evident in > cancer and other illnesses? I think you could probably come up with more than 1 example of how God said - don't do this, it's not good for you, and we've later realized, hey, he was right! There is a reason God tells us to do certain things and not do other things. Human beings are notorious for thinking they are equal to God and know a better way. It's a lie straight out of the bowels of hell. Science is not my God. I believe science is the god of many out there. For every action, there is an equal but opposite reaction. It's very possible we're reaping what we've sewn. I think it's pretty naive of anyone to believe that vaccines are so wonderful and protect society w/only minor side effects of irritation. > I'm currently reading the fascinating book " The Virus and the > Vaccine " the story of the SV40 virus in the polio vaccine in the 60's > (and possibly today even) and this animal/human issue amazes me and > baffles me at the same time. I'm amazed at man's arrogance and > ignorance. Salk, Sabin and other " vested " interests constantly > dismissed repeated scientific experiments showing that the monkey > viruses (begign viruses in the monkey itself) that were not killed by > formaldehyde, when injected into other species including human cells > created tumors and cancer but didn't react when the conclusion was > raised that this would potentially harm the millions of victims that > recieved the vaccine. The detection of these damaging animal viruses > were still in infancy and some like SV40 were not even visible under > a microscope for over 2 weeks when injected into human cultures. So > how many more invisible viruses are going unnoticed in these cultures > but injected into human bodies even today? Good question. No one knows. The ones that should know don't care. $$$$$$$ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Excellent points Alice. I read the Virus and the Vaccine a few years ago, and recently have picked it up to read it again. I think this book is a must read for many reasons. It gives remarkable insight on how public health works. How bad news about a vaccine is handled. (ingnored and covered up!) How politics constantly trumps the safety of vaccine recipients. And the implications of unknown animal viruses being unleashed in tens of millions of humans is staggering. And it paints a very gross picture of how vaccines are made. Harvested monkey kidneys put in a blender, and then thrown together in a witches brew of chemicals and injected in your baby. Here is the link to the book for those interested: http://www.amazon.com/Virus-Vaccine-Cancer-Causing-Contaminated- Americans/dp/0312278721 Sylvia > > Ok, so I'm constantly pondering the rationales behind vaccinating in > regards to efficacy, herd immunity, etc. and ideas/questions > constantly pop into my head. Perhaps such questions you all have > pondered also and have some information to share with me. > > -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a child > can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was > actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this > study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement > that we are constantly surrounded by germs and our immune systems > deal with them, so injecting many germs should be no problem? > > -So in nature we are exposed to viruses, bacteria, etc. through our > respiratory/digestive filtering tracts. However, in nature to my > knowledge, we are never exposed to human viruses synthetically > attached to random animal cells. For example, polio virus and monkey > kidney cells. How in the world do researchers think there is no > consequence when unnaturally combining the two! > > -For all you Bible believers out there: As Christians our family > tries to follow the old Testament food laws as we believe that in > God's infinite wisdom He gave humans information on how to protect > themselves from certain diseases/illnesses by avoiding " unclean " > animals (such as rabbits, pigs, monkeys, horses, vultures,most > insects, shellfish, catfish, etc.) which even today science has > produced information regarding some of these toxic animals also. > Just how many of our vaccines are prepared with these " unclean " > animals? Also, the Bible speaks about hybridizing and not crossing > species barriers so how do we not classify injecting directly into > our bodies the DNA of animals crossing the species barrier? Could > humans be reaping the consequences of this violation evident in > cancer and other illnesses? > > I'm currently reading the fascinating book " The Virus and the > Vaccine " the story of the SV40 virus in the polio vaccine in the 60's > (and possibly today even) and this animal/human issue amazes me and > baffles me at the same time. I'm amazed at man's arrogance and > ignorance. Salk, Sabin and other " vested " interests constantly > dismissed repeated scientific experiments showing that the monkey > viruses (begign viruses in the monkey itself) that were not killed by > formaldehyde, when injected into other species including human cells > created tumors and cancer but didn't react when the conclusion was > raised that this would potentially harm the millions of victims that > recieved the vaccine. The detection of these damaging animal viruses > were still in infancy and some like SV40 were not even visible under > a microscope for over 2 weeks when injected into human cultures. So > how many more invisible viruses are going unnoticed in these cultures > but injected into human bodies even today? > > Anyway, just some points to ponder as I see the vaccine issue as > something much larger than what it appears to be on the surface. Any > thoughts? > > Alice > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Looks like my link was too long. Here it is again in tiny form: http://tinyurl.com/6plq9f Hope this one works, Sylvia > > > > Ok, so I'm constantly pondering the rationales behind vaccinating > in > > regards to efficacy, herd immunity, etc. and ideas/questions > > constantly pop into my head. Perhaps such questions you all have > > pondered also and have some information to share with me. > > > > -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a > child > > can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was > > actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this > > study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement > > that we are constantly surrounded by germs and our immune systems > > deal with them, so injecting many germs should be no problem? > > > > -So in nature we are exposed to viruses, bacteria, etc. through our > > respiratory/digestive filtering tracts. However, in nature to my > > knowledge, we are never exposed to human viruses synthetically > > attached to random animal cells. For example, polio virus and > monkey > > kidney cells. How in the world do researchers think there is no > > consequence when unnaturally combining the two! > > > > -For all you Bible believers out there: As Christians our family > > tries to follow the old Testament food laws as we believe that in > > God's infinite wisdom He gave humans information on how to protect > > themselves from certain diseases/illnesses by avoiding " unclean " > > animals (such as rabbits, pigs, monkeys, horses, vultures,most > > insects, shellfish, catfish, etc.) which even today science has > > produced information regarding some of these toxic animals also. > > Just how many of our vaccines are prepared with these " unclean " > > animals? Also, the Bible speaks about hybridizing and not crossing > > species barriers so how do we not classify injecting directly into > > our bodies the DNA of animals crossing the species barrier? Could > > humans be reaping the consequences of this violation evident in > > cancer and other illnesses? > > > > I'm currently reading the fascinating book " The Virus and the > > Vaccine " the story of the SV40 virus in the polio vaccine in the > 60's > > (and possibly today even) and this animal/human issue amazes me and > > baffles me at the same time. I'm amazed at man's arrogance and > > ignorance. Salk, Sabin and other " vested " interests constantly > > dismissed repeated scientific experiments showing that the monkey > > viruses (begign viruses in the monkey itself) that were not killed > by > > formaldehyde, when injected into other species including human > cells > > created tumors and cancer but didn't react when the conclusion was > > raised that this would potentially harm the millions of victims > that > > recieved the vaccine. The detection of these damaging animal > viruses > > were still in infancy and some like SV40 were not even visible > under > > a microscope for over 2 weeks when injected into human cultures. > So > > how many more invisible viruses are going unnoticed in these > cultures > > but injected into human bodies even today? > > > > Anyway, just some points to ponder as I see the vaccine issue as > > something much larger than what it appears to be on the surface. > Any > > thoughts? > > > > Alice > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Could a high profile person publicly challenge prOffit to taking the 10,000 vaccines at once *himself* in public? If they are so harmless, he should be delighted to prove himself right. If he refuses, that will tell the tale...and if he does it, well that will tell a tale, too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a child can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement that we are constant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 This fruitcake claims he never said 10,000 vaccines - he claims he only said 10,000 antigens. What a nut. > > Could a high profile person publicly challenge prOffit to taking the 10,000 > vaccines at once *himself* in public? If they are so harmless, he should be > delighted to prove himself right. If he refuses, that will tell the > tale...and if he does it, well that will tell a tale, too. > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a child > can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was > actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this > study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement > that we are constant > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 I think, from memory he already has been challenged on this one Janet. There is a standing challenge out there for someone to come forward and drink the contents of the vaccines, and so far nobody has met it. There is a monetary offer that is rising every month. Last I heard it was up to about $80,000. It would be past the $100,000 mark now for sure. I am not sure, but I think this challenge came about after Offits comment. Others here will be able to clarify. I don't have the time right now to find the info. I have so many files on my puter, it is hard to keep them in order. Fieldman Re:Just curious Could a high profile person publicly challenge prOffit to taking the 10,000 vaccines at once *himself* in public? If they are so harmless, he should be delighted to prove himself right. If he refuses, that will tell the tale...and if he does it, well that will tell a tale, too. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a child can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement that we are constant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Offit doesn't rely on data. He relies on people believing whatever he says because he's an " expert. " Winnie Just curious Vaccinations > Ok, so I'm constantly pondering the rationales behind > vaccinating in > regards to efficacy, herd immunity, etc. and ideas/questions > constantly pop into my head. Perhaps such questions you all > have > pondered also and have some information to share with me. > > -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that a > child > can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that > was > actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this > study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame > statement > that we are constantly surrounded by germs and our immune > systems > deal with them, so injecting many germs should be no problem? > > -So in nature we are exposed to viruses, bacteria, etc. through > our > respiratory/digestive filtering tracts. However, in nature to > my > knowledge, we are never exposed to human viruses synthetically > attached to random animal cells. For example, polio virus and > monkey > kidney cells. How in the world do researchers think there is no > consequence when unnaturally combining the two! > > -For all you Bible believers out there: As Christians our > family > tries to follow the old Testament food laws as we believe that > in > God's infinite wisdom He gave humans information on how to > protect > themselves from certain diseases/illnesses by avoiding " unclean " > animals (such as rabbits, pigs, monkeys, horses, vultures,most > insects, shellfish, catfish, etc.) which even today science has > produced information regarding some of these toxic animals also. > > Just how many of our vaccines are prepared with these " unclean " > animals? Also, the Bible speaks about hybridizing and not > crossing > species barriers so how do we not classify injecting directly > into > our bodies the DNA of animals crossing the species barrier? > Could > humans be reaping the consequences of this violation evident in > cancer and other illnesses? > > I'm currently reading the fascinating book " The Virus and the > Vaccine " the story of the SV40 virus in the polio vaccine in the > 60's > (and possibly today even) and this animal/human issue amazes me > and > baffles me at the same time. I'm amazed at man's arrogance and > ignorance. Salk, Sabin and other " vested " interests constantly > dismissed repeated scientific experiments showing that the > monkey > viruses (begign viruses in the monkey itself) that were not > killed by > formaldehyde, when injected into other species including human > cells > created tumors and cancer but didn't react when the conclusion > was > raised that this would potentially harm the millions of victims > that > recieved the vaccine. The detection of these damaging animal > viruses > were still in infancy and some like SV40 were not even visible > under > a microscope for over 2 weeks when injected into human cultures. > So > how many more invisible viruses are going unnoticed in these > cultures > but injected into human bodies even today? > > Anyway, just some points to ponder as I see the vaccine issue as > something much larger than what it appears to be on the surface. > Any > thoughts? > > Alice > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Oh, well then it's perfectly safe. Re:Just curious Vaccinations > This fruitcake claims he never said 10,000 vaccines - he claims > he > only said 10,000 antigens. What a nut. > > > > > > Could a high profile person publicly challenge prOffit to > taking > the 10,000 > > vaccines at once *himself* in public? If they are so harmless, > he > should be > > delighted to prove himself right. If he refuses, that will > tell the > > tale...and if he does it, well that will tell a tale, too. > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that > a > child > > can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was > > actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this > > study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement > > that we are constant > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 This is a very bold statement for him to make...someone really needs to challenge him on this and tell him to scientifically prove it. He can begin by testing his own children if he feels so confident. Alice > > > > > > Could a high profile person publicly challenge prOffit to > > taking > > the 10,000 > > > vaccines at once *himself* in public? If they are so harmless, > > he > > should be > > > delighted to prove himself right. If he refuses, that will > > tell the > > > tale...and if he does it, well that will tell a tale, too. > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > > -Where does Offit get his data when he rationalizes that > > a > > child > > > can tolerate 10,000 plus vaccinations? Is this something that was > > > actually tested and what parent sacrificed their child for this > > > study? Or did he merely theorize this based on the lame statement > > > that we are constant > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 Offit, in response to CBS's recent coverage of the vaccine controversy and conflicts of interest: " Also, when Attkisson noted that he had been quoted as saying children could safely take up to 10,000 vaccines at once, " what I actually have said is at least 10,000. It's probably closer to 100,000. " His arrogance is astounding. On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 7:43 PM, alicelkins <alicelkins@...> wrote: > This is a very bold statement for him to make...someone really needs > to challenge him on this and tell him to scientifically prove it. He > can begin by testing his own children if he feels so confident. > > Alice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2008 Report Share Posted August 10, 2008 " Probably. " Mr. Scientific strikes again. What an idiot. Why not just say a million and get it over with?? Winnie Re: Re:Just curious Vaccinations > Offit, in response to CBS's recent coverage of the vaccine > controversy and conflicts of interest: > > " Also, when Attkisson noted that he had been quoted as saying children > could safely take up to 10,000 vaccines at once, " what I > actually have > said is at least 10,000. It's probably closer to 100,000. " > > His arrogance is astounding. > > > > > On Sun, Aug 10, 2008 at 7:43 PM, alicelkins > wrote: > > This is a very bold statement for him to make...someone really needs > > to challenge him on this and tell him to scientifically prove > it. He > > can begin by testing his own children if he feels so confident. > > > > Alice > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 Not yet, but I should since they're so close. Unfortunately, they don't allow pick-ups. Beth www.soapandgarden.com Be good to your skin! www.soapandgarden.blogspot.com In a message dated 12/02/08 22:13:03 Eastern Standard Time, angelicglow@... writes: Has anyone ever used new directions aromatics? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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