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Interesting thought about astrological influence I myself am an

astrologer and have just recently started ER. Being a type O on an A diet

for so many years did nothing but worsen my PCOS, thyroid (actually once had

my temp as low as 94) and overall bleh feeling. Now that the dairy/refined

sugar/corn and wheat have disappeared I feel a heck of alot better...I'm a

Libra sun/Cancer asc (hour of birth sign) and Aquarius moon...

>From: <n.scott@...>

>Reply-egroups

> " 'egroups' " <egroups>

>Subject: RE: New to group

>Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:56:53 -0500

>

>Thanks, Pam. I don't know where my sun & moon are. I'll have to check into

>that. I'm hoping I'll see positive results soon by getting off wheat, corn,

>and dairy.

> S.

>

> > Just to throw in another thought. Sounds like a Libra

> > influence here.

> > Astrology has a lot to do with how you feel and how others

> > see you. First of

> > all at least get off of wheat, corn and dairy. The first two

> > will put me in

> > a lethargic daze when I fall off the wagon and forget what I

> > know is best for

> > me. The latter seems to give me terrible indigestion with

> > gas and bloating.

> > Sure hard to be enthusiastic when the three evil foods are

> > coursing through

> > your body. Now as to the astrology. I only dabble a bit. I

> > am a Capricorn.

> > Should be a hard worker, never give up kind of person.

> > True, but not with a

> > tummy full of pasta. It sucks the energy right out of me. I

> > have my moon

> > (means emotions and how you FEEL about something) in Libra.

> > The scales are

> > the sign in Libra. Balance, seeing both sides of an issue.

> > That is not

> > always a bad thing. But when I am feeling lethargic, sleepy

> > and totally

> > lacking in energy it does not make my life easy. However

> > when I am on track,

> > and eating properly, it does give me a clear picture of both

> > sides of an

> > issue. And it does help me to realize that many times either

> > way will work.

> > If you have a sun or moon in Libra, (October) maybe you tend

> > to be more aware

> > of both sides of a problem by your nature. Now if you can

> > just get you body

> > in gear, you may become a diplomat! :>). Unless of course

> > you have a

> > Capricorn influence, which can also make you outspoken and

> > hardheaded, (or so

> > my friends tell me!) LOL. Good luck to you and you may as

> > well as corn to

> > your list now. The sooner you get it out of your system, the

> > better you will

> > feel. It is simply amazing how much those three foods can

> > make a difference.

> >

> > Pam from ID

> >

> > Pamacs Selkirk Rex

> > Please check out my website at

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Interesting thought about astrological influence I myself am an

astrologer and have just recently started ER. Being a type O on an A diet

for so many years did nothing but worsen my PCOS, thyroid (actually once had

my temp as low as 94) and overall bleh feeling. Now that the dairy/refined

sugar/corn and wheat have disappeared I feel a heck of alot better...I'm a

Libra sun/Cancer asc (hour of birth sign) and Aquarius moon...

>From: <n.scott@...>

>Reply-egroups

> " 'egroups' " <egroups>

>Subject: RE: New to group

>Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:56:53 -0500

>

>Thanks, Pam. I don't know where my sun & moon are. I'll have to check into

>that. I'm hoping I'll see positive results soon by getting off wheat, corn,

>and dairy.

> S.

>

> > Just to throw in another thought. Sounds like a Libra

> > influence here.

> > Astrology has a lot to do with how you feel and how others

> > see you. First of

> > all at least get off of wheat, corn and dairy. The first two

> > will put me in

> > a lethargic daze when I fall off the wagon and forget what I

> > know is best for

> > me. The latter seems to give me terrible indigestion with

> > gas and bloating.

> > Sure hard to be enthusiastic when the three evil foods are

> > coursing through

> > your body. Now as to the astrology. I only dabble a bit. I

> > am a Capricorn.

> > Should be a hard worker, never give up kind of person.

> > True, but not with a

> > tummy full of pasta. It sucks the energy right out of me. I

> > have my moon

> > (means emotions and how you FEEL about something) in Libra.

> > The scales are

> > the sign in Libra. Balance, seeing both sides of an issue.

> > That is not

> > always a bad thing. But when I am feeling lethargic, sleepy

> > and totally

> > lacking in energy it does not make my life easy. However

> > when I am on track,

> > and eating properly, it does give me a clear picture of both

> > sides of an

> > issue. And it does help me to realize that many times either

> > way will work.

> > If you have a sun or moon in Libra, (October) maybe you tend

> > to be more aware

> > of both sides of a problem by your nature. Now if you can

> > just get you body

> > in gear, you may become a diplomat! :>). Unless of course

> > you have a

> > Capricorn influence, which can also make you outspoken and

> > hardheaded, (or so

> > my friends tell me!) LOL. Good luck to you and you may as

> > well as corn to

> > your list now. The sooner you get it out of your system, the

> > better you will

> > feel. It is simply amazing how much those three foods can

> > make a difference.

> >

> > Pam from ID

> >

> > Pamacs Selkirk Rex

> > Please check out my website at

> > http://hometown.aol.com/sharpcats/myhomepage/index.html

> >

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Interesting thought about astrological influence I myself am an

astrologer and have just recently started ER. Being a type O on an A diet

for so many years did nothing but worsen my PCOS, thyroid (actually once had

my temp as low as 94) and overall bleh feeling. Now that the dairy/refined

sugar/corn and wheat have disappeared I feel a heck of alot better...I'm a

Libra sun/Cancer asc (hour of birth sign) and Aquarius moon...

>From: <n.scott@...>

>Reply-egroups

> " 'egroups' " <egroups>

>Subject: RE: New to group

>Date: Mon, 8 May 2000 13:56:53 -0500

>

>Thanks, Pam. I don't know where my sun & moon are. I'll have to check into

>that. I'm hoping I'll see positive results soon by getting off wheat, corn,

>and dairy.

> S.

>

> > Just to throw in another thought. Sounds like a Libra

> > influence here.

> > Astrology has a lot to do with how you feel and how others

> > see you. First of

> > all at least get off of wheat, corn and dairy. The first two

> > will put me in

> > a lethargic daze when I fall off the wagon and forget what I

> > know is best for

> > me. The latter seems to give me terrible indigestion with

> > gas and bloating.

> > Sure hard to be enthusiastic when the three evil foods are

> > coursing through

> > your body. Now as to the astrology. I only dabble a bit. I

> > am a Capricorn.

> > Should be a hard worker, never give up kind of person.

> > True, but not with a

> > tummy full of pasta. It sucks the energy right out of me. I

> > have my moon

> > (means emotions and how you FEEL about something) in Libra.

> > The scales are

> > the sign in Libra. Balance, seeing both sides of an issue.

> > That is not

> > always a bad thing. But when I am feeling lethargic, sleepy

> > and totally

> > lacking in energy it does not make my life easy. However

> > when I am on track,

> > and eating properly, it does give me a clear picture of both

> > sides of an

> > issue. And it does help me to realize that many times either

> > way will work.

> > If you have a sun or moon in Libra, (October) maybe you tend

> > to be more aware

> > of both sides of a problem by your nature. Now if you can

> > just get you body

> > in gear, you may become a diplomat! :>). Unless of course

> > you have a

> > Capricorn influence, which can also make you outspoken and

> > hardheaded, (or so

> > my friends tell me!) LOL. Good luck to you and you may as

> > well as corn to

> > your list now. The sooner you get it out of your system, the

> > better you will

> > feel. It is simply amazing how much those three foods can

> > make a difference.

> >

> > Pam from ID

> >

> > Pamacs Selkirk Rex

> > Please check out my website at

> > http://hometown.aol.com/sharpcats/myhomepage/index.html

> >

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in NZ said:

> You could try reading a book called beyond and within by Shi

> Chinmoy. Here

> the dimensions of the human mind are explained. What you are

> experiencing is

> perfectly normal. You need to get more in touch with the

> inner you, your

> heart room.

>

Thanks, . I'll give it a try. I love to read and have been trying to

find something like this.

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Pam. I don't know where my sun & moon are. I'll have to check into

that. I'm hoping I'll see positive results soon by getting off wheat, corn,

and dairy.

S.

> Just to throw in another thought. Sounds like a Libra

> influence here.

> Astrology has a lot to do with how you feel and how others

> see you. First of

> all at least get off of wheat, corn and dairy. The first two

> will put me in

> a lethargic daze when I fall off the wagon and forget what I

> know is best for

> me. The latter seems to give me terrible indigestion with

> gas and bloating.

> Sure hard to be enthusiastic when the three evil foods are

> coursing through

> your body. Now as to the astrology. I only dabble a bit. I

> am a Capricorn.

> Should be a hard worker, never give up kind of person.

> True, but not with a

> tummy full of pasta. It sucks the energy right out of me. I

> have my moon

> (means emotions and how you FEEL about something) in Libra.

> The scales are

> the sign in Libra. Balance, seeing both sides of an issue.

> That is not

> always a bad thing. But when I am feeling lethargic, sleepy

> and totally

> lacking in energy it does not make my life easy. However

> when I am on track,

> and eating properly, it does give me a clear picture of both

> sides of an

> issue. And it does help me to realize that many times either

> way will work.

> If you have a sun or moon in Libra, (October) maybe you tend

> to be more aware

> of both sides of a problem by your nature. Now if you can

> just get you body

> in gear, you may become a diplomat! :>). Unless of course

> you have a

> Capricorn influence, which can also make you outspoken and

> hardheaded, (or so

> my friends tell me!) LOL. Good luck to you and you may as

> well as corn to

> your list now. The sooner you get it out of your system, the

> better you will

> feel. It is simply amazing how much those three foods can

> make a difference.

>

> Pam from ID

>

> Pamacs Selkirk Rex

> Please check out my website at

> http://hometown.aol.com/sharpcats/myhomepage/index.html

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------

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Hi Holly

What is >packed/sack/brown bag lunch<

For breakfast I have

scrambled eggs with garlic and onion sometimes tomatoes and veg from the

night before. boiled/coddled eggs, fried eggs with bacon (I cheat), cooked

millet.

What do you mean by the fish becoming old.

Sherry

>From: " Holly in Houston " <arney@...>

>Reply-egroups

>egroups

>Subject: New to Group

>Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2000 19:11:34 -0000

>

>HI!

>

>I'm Holly from Houston, O-, and new to this group. I have no idea

>what to expect, and have been on the ER4YT plan for about a week. I

>had previously been on the Carb. Addict's Diet, but it left me

>feeling tired & cold (yes, even in the summer in Houston!), so I

>looked for something else.

>

>Thus far, I feel fantastic and have far more energy than I have in

>years - I'm particularly interested in what everyone does for

>breakfast. As a Brit, I don't mind fish for breakfast, but that

>could become old rather quickly. Also, how everyone copes with a

>packed/sack/brown bag lunch.

>

>ta-ta-for-now,

>

>Holly.

>

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Welcome Nanci!

Could you please foward your info for your group to me so I can add it to

the list of Vaccine Groups across the world.

Look forward to seeing you post!

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New to group

Hello everyone! I thought I would take a few moments to introduce myself.

My name is Nanci and I'm from the Grand Rapids area in Michigan. My husband

and I have chosen not to vaccinate our children (Dante who is almost 2 1/2,

and another one due mid January) because of extensive research that I did

while pregnant with my son. I came to believe that basically the germ theory

was just a great excuse for the modern American medical institution to

inflict upon us whatever they see fit. And believe me it took awhile because

I was a biology major in college with hopes of becoming a doctor one day.

Walene ' book explains this in great detail and is pretty lengthy but

worth the read.

I started to wonder how I was going to deal with schools, daycare, other

people wondering why we don't vaccinate and thought that if I had these

questions I knew that there had to be other people with the same questions.

So that is how Vaccine Informed Parents came to be born. I started this

group last October and the response has been tremendous, especially by word

of mouth. Right now we are a small group of mothers who get together 4 times

a year to talk about vaccine issues, and other topics on how we can keep our

immune systems up. Basically we are a group where people can come to to get

alternative information on vaccines, as well as the information that the

health department and doctors put out so that they may make an educated

decision regarding their family's health. So the current topics on how to

advise parents who are unsure about vaccination are right on the money for

me. It's amazing that people don't know they have a choice! I will be

eagerly reading all future posts on the list, and can't wait to dig into the

archives! So happy to be here, Nanci

[Guest guest]

Welcome Anne!

Glad you are here!!

Kim

Mom to (11 1/2 mo!!!)

>From: " d_anne " <d_anne@...>

>Reply-Vaccinationsegroups

><Vaccinationsegroups>

>Subject: New to group

>Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 10:12:59 -0500

>

>Hello, my name is Anne and my husband of 5 years is . We have an 18 mo

>daughter. She has not had any of her shots. My husband is a chiropractor.

> When I first found out that a lot of chiros did not vaccinate, I started

>my own research to prove to him why they are so important. I found out the

>complete opposite. I have read several books about vaccines also and have

>a few friends that do not vax.

>

>We live in Kentucky in a very medical doctor oriented town. We had to

>travel an hour out of town to have our child delivered by a midwife in a

>hospital. The doctors here " don't allow " midwives to practice here except

>for two at the health department. We would have had to drop our insurance

>and get state aid to have them deliver.

>

>I have just started going through the archives . There is so much

>information there! I can't wait to learn from this group. It is so nice

>to hear from people who have the same beliefs.

>

>Thanks for putting a group like this together!

>Anne

>

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Anne, Where in Kentucky do you live? My husband, two daughters and I

live in Lexington - also quite doctor/medical establishment oriented. It

seems like several folks on this list are connecting with others in their

area; depending on how close you are, perhaps we could do the same. My

oldest (now 5) had a few vaccinations before I got up the guts to say no!

- and my youngest (2) is completely un-vaccinated. We're also expecting

babe #3 in late October with no plans to vax. Look forward to hearing

from you! -Gretchen

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In a message dated 8/21/2000 1:56:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

groneys@... writes:

<< Right now we are a small group of mothers who get together 4 times

a year to talk about vaccine issues, and other topics on how we can keep our

immune systems up. Basically we are a group where people can come to to get

alternative information on vaccines, >>

Nanci: I would be interested in learning more about how to keep our immune

systems up. I know sugar is bad. Any suggestions on where to start?

Kendal in CA

[Guest guest]

Tracey, I am sorry to hear about your Grandmother, no matter how old people

are, it is hard.

I'm glad that it is warming up for you 50 isn't too bad

Maura

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From: " Tracey " <tmozwrld@...>

" Maura Devine " <maura_devine@...>

Subject: Re: New to group

Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2001 08:53:56 -0500

Sorry I am just now reading your email.. it's been a crazy week.... my

grandmother passed away so we have been busy running back and forth to the

funeral home.. She was 91, and lived a wonderful life, but funerals are

always hard..

I am enjoying the snow... although it is suppose to go up to 50 degrees

today, so I'm sure most will be gone by tomorrow!

Again Welcome...

Tracey

New to group

>

>

> > Hi

> >

> > I am new to this group and wanted to introduce myself. My name is

Maura

> and

> > I am a single mom to 2 girls. lese will be 11 yrs old this month

and

> > Adelena is 8 1/2 yrs old w/ds. We are in South Florida.

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[Guest guest]

Welcome Tom! Just wondering if you have you been tested to see if the combo

treatments are making an impact on the virus? Are you able to work?

You will find this is a nice group of people, and you may learn more from the

folks here than from your dr. We did. Good luck. Tree

[Guest guest]

hi karen and welcome to the list.

so glad that you decided to look into the issue of vaccines--i, too fell upon it just by going with my gut instinct--wasn't really looking to stray away from the mainstream--but, alas, i have--and i stray further from it each day now!! )

you may want to just skip the "well care" visits--if you feel confident in that, as your little guy seems to do be doing just great--why do you need to go in for a dr visit anyway, if all is well, right? it's just that well care visits are primarily there to administer the vaxes, so when you aren't doing them, the visits tend to get a little tough...

you are so right in questioning why that dr's patients would have to be treated in any way--don't they feel confident in the vaxes they are administering? it just goes to show you that vaxes aren't foolproof--in fact, until i see proof that they work at all, i will always doubt their efficacy.

hope all continues to go well for you and your family and congratulations on making an informed decision about your sons health--not just going along with the crowd without thinking about these things!!

hope you learn a lot here!!

brigit

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At 10:11 AM 01/21/2001 -0600, you wrote:

>Hello Everyone, We are fairly new to this group and would like to introduce

>ourselves.

>My name is and my husband's is Todd. We have a 5 month beautiful baby

>boy named Liam. We have chosen not to vaccinate our son but the pressure

>from friends, family and the medical profession can be very difficult to

>respond to.. Not sure exactly what led us to seek out information both

>negative and positive about vaccines. I have always been a believer that

>Doctors know everything and would not suggest something that would harm my

>child. So it is very different for me to go against the 'grain' and not

>listen to a doctor. I just took Liam to a new doctor for his 4 month check

>up and she assumed Liam was up to date on all his 'little needles' and when

>I said I was not vaccinating him she said " well this office is fully

>supportive of vaccines and if he were to come to our office with say

> " whooping cough " it may be a problem and all the other children would have

>to be treated due to exposure from your child " I said I don't understand

>the concern if they are vaccinated why would there be a problem? She said

>they would still have to be treated for exposure. So how good is any

>vaccine anyway? I am just learning about homeopathy and plan to treat Liam

>the natural way.

>I am exclusively breast feeding Liam and he is sleeping 10-11 hours

>through the night never cries unless he is tired or hungry.

>We are proud of our decision at least we are making an educated one. Most

>of our friends have chosen to vaccinate but are doing so with not knowing

>any information about them only what their doctor says. I understand their

>decision as they feel the doctor knows best. I just feel now a days more

>and more people are wanting to be educated about decisions involving their

>children. I am glad to have the knowledge of the people on this site. I

>print off the important vaccine info and file it so if I am questioned on

>'why I am not vaccinating' I can pull out several documents that clearly

>show why and hope will make them question their decision.

>Regards,

>

>

Welcome ,

Who knows what angel whispered in your ear to look at vaccines! But you did!

You will have lots of support here.

I can't believe the nurse didn't get it when you said what you did. Blind!

Glad you are learning homeopathy.

Where are you from? Do you need the names of some classical homeopaths

near you?

I have been studying homeopathy since 1981 informally including 1 year

formally and will continue, hopefully, this fall.

Sheri

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[Guest guest]

Welcome! I joined this list last summer and have found it to be an

INVALUABLE resource - not just for vax info (grin) but for other health

related topics as well; Dh and I recently went macrobiotic thanks to list

members raving about the benefits (they were right!) I've been married

almost 7 years and have 3 girls; the younger 2 are totally vax-free, the

oldest got 2 series of shots before we began our investigation into the

" vax industry. " You are wise to think BEFORE you jab! And I agree with

Bridget on the well-baby visits, we skip them, too - we have a homeopath

to call in case things get really rough, other than that I do all the

weighing/measuring and treat minor illnesses at home with food, herbs,

and homeopathy. Hope you enjoy the list!

On Sun, 21 Jan 2001 10:11:49 -0600 " Todd Gallagher "

<tkgallagher@...> writes:

> Hello Everyone, We are fairly new to this group and would like to

> introduce

> ourselves.

> My name is and my husband's is Todd. We have a 5 month

> beautiful baby

> boy named Liam. We have chosen not to vaccinate our son but the

> pressure

> from friends, family and the medical profession can be very

> difficult to

> respond to.. Not sure exactly what led us to seek out information

> both

> negative and positive about vaccines. I have always been a believer

> that

> Doctors know everything and would not suggest something that would

> harm my

> child. So it is very different for me to go against the 'grain' and

> not

> listen to a doctor. I just took Liam to a new doctor for his 4 month

> check

> up and she assumed Liam was up to date on all his 'little needles'

> and when

> I said I was not vaccinating him she said " well this office is

> fully

> supportive of vaccines and if he were to come to our office with say

> " whooping cough " it may be a problem and all the other children

> would have

> to be treated due to exposure from your child " I said I don't

> understand

> the concern if they are vaccinated why would there be a problem?

> She said

> they would still have to be treated for exposure. So how good is

> any

> vaccine anyway? I am just learning about homeopathy and plan to

> treat Liam

> the natural way.

> I am exclusively breast feeding Liam and he is sleeping 10-11

> hours

> through the night never cries unless he is tired or hungry.

> We are proud of our decision at least we are making an educated one.

> Most

> of our friends have chosen to vaccinate but are doing so with not

> knowing

> any information about them only what their doctor says. I

> understand their

> decision as they feel the doctor knows best. I just feel now a days

> more

> and more people are wanting to be educated about decisions involving

> their

> children. I am glad to have the knowledge of the people on this

> site. I

> print off the important vaccine info and file it so if I am

> questioned on

> 'why I am not vaccinating' I can pull out several documents that

> clearly

> show why and hope will make them question their decision.

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

Namaste, Gretchen

from Lexington, KY

Mama to Maya (5), Rhythm Joy (2), and Isabel (3 mos)

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Hi ...so happy to hear that you have decided to become involved in the

health decisions of your child, and not just leave it up to the doctors. If

everyone were to research and check out all the decisions the doctors make

for us, we would have much fewer surgeries, fatalities and incorrect

diagnosis'. It is so wonderful that you and your husband do not bow down to

the pressures that doctors know best. They only know what they are taught

(which changes all the time), and what the pharmacutical companies tell them

(my sister used to work for Merk, as a sales rep, and the doctors are

basically totally uneducated about any of the medications, except for what

the reps tell them). Anyway, best wishes to you and yours, and glad you have

joined us. There is alot of good information here...Sharon, Quakertown, PA

New to group

> Hello Everyone, We are fairly new to this group and would like to

introduce

> ourselves.

> My name is and my husband's is Todd. We have a 5 month beautiful

baby

> boy named Liam. We have chosen not to vaccinate our son but the pressure

> from friends, family and the medical profession can be very difficult to

> respond to.. Not sure exactly what led us to seek out information both

> negative and positive about vaccines. I have always been a believer that

> Doctors know everything and would not suggest something that would harm my

> child. So it is very different for me to go against the 'grain' and not

> listen to a doctor. I just took Liam to a new doctor for his 4 month check

> up and she assumed Liam was up to date on all his 'little needles' and

when

> I said I was not vaccinating him she said " well this office is fully

> supportive of vaccines and if he were to come to our office with say

> " whooping cough " it may be a problem and all the other children would have

> to be treated due to exposure from your child " I said I don't understand

> the concern if they are vaccinated why would there be a problem? She said

> they would still have to be treated for exposure. So how good is any

> vaccine anyway? I am just learning about homeopathy and plan to treat

Liam

> the natural way.

> I am exclusively breast feeding Liam and he is sleeping 10-11 hours

> through the night never cries unless he is tired or hungry.

> We are proud of our decision at least we are making an educated one. Most

> of our friends have chosen to vaccinate but are doing so with not knowing

> any information about them only what their doctor says. I understand

their

> decision as they feel the doctor knows best. I just feel now a days more

> and more people are wanting to be educated about decisions involving their

> children. I am glad to have the knowledge of the people on this site. I

> print off the important vaccine info and file it so if I am questioned on

> 'why I am not vaccinating' I can pull out several documents that clearly

> show why and hope will make them question their decision.

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi. My husband did the combo too. When do you do your shots? My husband did

them about one hour before going to sleep at night and he managed to sleep

through the side effects. He tried doing the shot in the morning and it was

awful. By doing it before bed he avoided experiencing the side effects.

>>> jake54@... 01/20/01 05:17PM >>>

Hi all: I am new to this group. I am undergoing the combo treatment

now and am suffering the side effects like most. Severe headaches,

fatigue, chills, and body aches. By reading the posts of others I

find that I am not in this alone. All the symptoms of this disease

seem to be shared by others. I hope this letter finds all of you

doing well.

With good thoughts, Tom

[Guest guest]

Welcome, Tom. This list has been pretty quiet lately. Are the symptoms you

describe from the treatment or the virus? My husband, who is not on

treatment, has night sweats, chills, fatigue, and body aches. Tree

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom, Keep us posted of your treatment. Ruth>>> stylistwithclass@... 03/05/01 07:20PM >>> > Hi all: I am new to this group. I am undergoing the combo treatment > now and am suffering the side effects like most. Severe headaches, > fatigue, chills, and body aches. By reading the posts of others I > find that I am not in this alone. All the symptoms of this disease > seem to be shared by others. I hope this letter finds all of you > doing well. > With good thoughts, Tom

[Guest guest]

Hi Tom...got off combo last November...was kicking my butt and I was not responding so was taken off after 7 months. Feel whole lot better now and maybe have a shot at the peg in couple months. Hang in there....

Re: New to group

Hi Tom, Keep us posted of your treatment. Ruth>>> stylistwithclass@... 03/05/01 07:20PM >>> > Hi all: I am new to this group. I am undergoing the combo treatment > now and am suffering the side effects like most. Severe headaches, > fatigue, chills, and body aches. By reading the posts of others I > find that I am not in this alone. All the symptoms of this disease > seem to be shared by others. I hope this letter finds all of you > doing well. > With good thoughts, Tom

[Guest guest]

Welcome! I love Mays Landing. We have stopped there on our way to

Ocean City.

Minti

Ariana 8 DS, 6, Alaina 3

> Hi! We are the Di's my name is and my wife's

name is Kathy

> we have two children their names are our oldest Jeanna 3 yrs old

(DS),and

> our youngest at 9 months old (nonDS). we will keep

everyone

> informed about our family oh yes we live in NJ in a town called

Mays Landing

> Thank you

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , Welcome to the group. You'll like it here. This is my humble

opinion and always will be. Yianni should stay in his home school. Yes,

you can push this legally and yes you should. Why should he have to go

through more loss just because the teachers and administrators refuse to

obide by the law and get some training to do middle school inclusion.

is in his neighborhood school in regular ed. 4 out of 6 hours a day.

He is pulled out for some academics, very few life skills (too young in my

opinion) and speech. I don't know where you're located. I hope it's in the

US or I am wrong in everything I just said. I can tell you more about

's program if you want to know. Email privately if you do.

Green's daughter Kathy had inclusion in middle school and I believe there

are a few more.

Elaine

new to group

> Hi - I just signed up with this group. My name is , I have 3

> children Dimitri age 5, Marisa age 10 and Yianni who has DS age 13.

> My son Yianni has been in a regular classroom since kindergarten, he

> has severe apraxia and uses sign language and communication boards.

> he has had a VSD repair, multiple sets of tubes (ears), and bilateral

> hip surgery - for a slipped growth plate. He is a wonderful kid who

> has benefited greatly from an inclusive program - he is now

> tranitioning to middle school and I am having problems with the

> school - they feel he needs a life skills based program - I would

> like to see him continue in our town's school system (he would have

> to be placed out of district for any other type of program) The

> other children are very supportive of him and several have told

> me " don't worry I'll help Yianni get around in middle school " My

> concern is that although I know legally Yianni should continue with

> his classmates I worry that because the school has not done ANY

> planning for him to be in a regular middle school classroom that they

> won't do a good job because they seem to think I'm nuts for wanting

> him to stay and do not support my decision. I strongly believe in

> inclusion and also because my husband recently died, yianni has had

> alot to deal with and he may be upset at leaving his friends and

> school. Anyway - sorry it's so long - if anybody has experience with

> helping school administrators and staff understand IT (middle school

> inclusion) CAN BE DONE please reply - THanks

>

>

> Please edit posts when replying!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Many of us have been teaching school districts all along how inclusion

can/should work. In my case, we requested that the school my son was going

to be attending #1. Hire an inclusion specialist. #2. Provide inclusion

training for the staff. #3. Have monthly inclusion meetings where we

discuss what's working and what's not, etc.

I still have 2 years before I have to worry about the middle school issues,

but I am already biting my nails!

[Guest guest]

You sound like me when I was your age. I got worse

and worse until I was disabled at 53. I'd never had

back surgery though. From age 53-59, I progressed

very fast until I was bend over so much, my internal

organs were affected. Doctors kept giving me handsful

of drugs for all the symptoms. After locating this

forum, I located a srs. specialist. My top curve had

gone from 64 in 1977 to 94 in Mar. 2000. Last Oct., I

had surgery and now I'm off all those medicines except

for pain pills. In a few weeks, the plan is to start

weaning me off them too. My advice--find another

doctor--one who specializes in adult scolosis. Mine

had got into kypho-scholosis and it sounds like your's

could be too. I'm doing great at 60 years of age, 8

months post-op A/P T2-L5.

=====

Jeanette

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[Guest guest]

Dear Bac323,

From the history and symptoms you've described, it sounds to me

as though you are suffering from flatback syndrome. I am NOT a doctor but I

did have flatback and had surgery for it in Paris last October. I'm 56,

female, had Harrington surgery in 1977 and some other revisions afterwards.

It was the original Harrington surgery that flattened out the spine on the

sagittal plane and threw me off balance, causing pain and the inability to

stand up straight. After this latest operation I am finally straight (in

fact, the surgery gave me an extra inch and a half in height!).

I can understand how sick you are of seeing doctors (I went to 6

on 2 continents before finally deciding to go through with the surgery),

but I really think you should see one of the revision specialists. The big

names in the USA include Drs. Bradford and Hu in California, Dr. LaGrone in

Texas, Dr. Kostuik in Baltimore, Dr. Boachie in New York and Dr. Rand in

Boston. This list is certainly not exhaustive.

I want to warn you again that I am NOT a doctor, and that there

are others on the list who can - and I hope will - explain more clearly

what flatback syndrome is. I would suggest that you bite the bullet and see

one of these or another adult scoliosis revision specialist. To my

knowledge, surgery is the only treatment for flatback syndrome. Good luck

and stay in touch.

Best wishes,

from Italy

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