Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Hello Bekah, welcome to the group. I use a cane or a 4 wheeled walker with a seat and basket if I have to walk far, as I do have spinal stenosis with a peripheral neurapathy. I have a handicap sticker that I use. I like Heidi live in Florida. I went and got the form for one, with being that I was a nurse, I filled it in, then took it to my primary care Dr and had him sign it. I did the work for him and he gave me trouble with it. I did put down my back and my asthma as reason. Every 4 years I just go to the tax collector and get it renewed. In fact I got a permanent plate for the car I drive, and have the rear view mirror tag to use if I am riding in someone else's car or have to use a rental. You may want to go to your primary care to get one. Sandie > Hi! My name is Bekah and I am a 34-year-old school teacher. I also > work part time cleaning and tutoring to make extra money. I have a > 10-year-old-daughter--it's just the two of us. > > I was diagnosed with fibro a year ago, but that came after a > diagnosis of chronic costochondritis about three years prior. In > addition to these ailments, I also have Type II diabetes, IBS, GERD, > gastroparesis, migraines, depression, and panic/anxiety disorder. I > was diagnosed with ADD as an adult, but I often wonder if many of my > symptoms are related to the fibro and not ADD. > > My pain and my ability to tolerate it are getting worse. I am > extremely overweight and wonder how much a role that plays in my > pain. I avoid taking medications when I can, but I do take my > diabetes meds,depression and anxiety meds. I don't take anything for > the pain, but I do have a prescription for Ultram. I am wondering if > you have found that an effective tool for managing pain. > > Anyway, I just wanted to introduce myself. Fibro has begun to > interfere with my quality of life and my ability to do my daily > tasks at times. Almost no one in my life understands this ailment > and I often feel like they think I'm making it up as an excuse for > why I'm exhausted and in pain ALL THE TIME!! > > One more question: do any of you use a handicap parking sticker? I > asked my rheumetologist for her signature to get one becuase my back > and thigh muscles cramp up when I have to walk long distances but > she refused to sign for me. It made me feel like a fraud. Just > wondering if anyone can empathize. > > Take care! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Beth, Reactions aren't necessarily seen immediately. A " reaction " could be developing asthma, for example. Some people believe that vaccines cause autism by pushing the immune system over the edge. One vax, or one round of vaxes, might not do it, but enough over a period of time might. I don't know if vaccines cause all the diseases some people attribute to them. I do know that the diseases themselves are generally non-threatening... My son is crying. Must go. Hope this has helped a bit... ~!Robyn Beth Jacomet wrote: > > Thank you for the response. I guess what confuses me the most is if my kids have not had reactions to the vaccines and they are jsut getting second and third doeses of the same thing, why would they now have a reaction? Also, this may keep us from being able to travel with my husband. When he leaves he is gone for 3 yrs at a time.......Also, what about school????? > > Where can I find Sheri's website? It may be right under my nose but I am not seeing it > > Thanks again, > Beth > > > > Re: New to group > > I live in Ohio and we are scheduled to go to South Korea....after that who > knows....... > > My youngest son is the one I worry about....not because he is not develping > fine but because of his age. My oldest is almost 4 so I do not worry about > him so much. Anyways, I am just trying to figure out if my kids have already > had most of the vaccines if I should just finish them out. There is such > contradiciting information out there. I do not like the idea of them not > being vaccinated but I also do not like the risk that is believed to be > associated with the vaccines. So I am trying to make the best decision > possible. Maybe trying to find a way to still get the vaccines but do it > maybe a little slower and use the homeopathic drops. However, I am not set > against not getting them....I just am trying to find a happy medium so to > speak. > > I look at my kids and want to protect them the best way possible.... I just > do not know what that is in this case. I am VERY confused!!!! ! And > stressed....can you tell > > Much Love, > Beth > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2008 Report Share Posted March 12, 2008 Beth, Sorry about that. I wasn't sure if DS would go down or not. He did, so I can finish. The diseases. Most of them are not that bad. Chicken pox, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, Hepatitis A - all of these may be annoying to have, and may sometimes cause problems in some people, but, overall, they're not that scary. On the other hand, most of those vaccines contain formaldehyde and aluminum, and three of those vaccines contain human diploid cells, aka material from an aborted fetus. Hepatitis B is a sexually transmitted disease, or transmitted by needle-sharing. It has NO BUSINESS being in the bodies of children, especially infants. Diphtheria is not an issue in the US. It is big in Russia. If you know what to look for, then it's not incurable. Tetanus is a disease of the old. It's very, very hard to get tetanus, because the bacteria are anaerobic. You would have to get a DEEP puncture wound from something buried in the ground (at the time of injury), then not clean the wound properly, and even then, kids have such good circulatory systems, it's rare. The flu and pneumonia vaccines rarely cover the strains that seem to be going around. There's been a lot of media coverage about how the flu vaccine this year was " the wrong one. " Polio doesn't exist in the US, or most of the Western Hemisphere. Hib is only an issue in children under 2. I hope this helps a bit. I have a lot of links on my web site as well. What sealed our decision was the list of ingredients: http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/ ~Robyn Beth Jacomet wrote: > > Mavis - thank you for your reply to my post. I am glad to be speaking > with someone wo has children that are not vaccinated. I look at tall > the information I have gathers not only from here but also the > numerous articles I have read before finding this forum. Everything > tell me to run in the other direction of vaccines and my gut tells me > they must not be safe...but the diseases also scare me. I was watching > a progrma yesterday about the debate over vaccines. One mother > vaccinated her children and her twin boys both began autistic. I felt > so bad for her but yet admired her for being the brave mother she was > to tell her story. Then there was another mother who did not vaccinate > her 3rd child (she did her first 2) and at 11 months, her daughter > went to a b-day party and ended up with one of the disease (can not > remember which one). Then it depends on who you talk to on what the > opinion is. I have spoke to many RN's, doctors, and even some ND's that > says vaccines are protective to kids and they should have them. Then I > speak to other friends, and medical professionals who say NO WAY!!!! I > feel very confused. > > I plan to keep doing m research. I may come up with more and more > questions for you but if you have anything at all to share that you > feel may be helpful, please feel free to do so. I am a very open, > caring and loving women, wife and mother. I am open to any and all > opinions and advice. > > Thanks again and I look forward to staying in touch with you tbhrough > this very important decision. I honeslty think if my mind could be put > more at ease for them to go without the vaccines, I would rather not > vaccinate. I jsut worry then about the disease...even more so going > overseas to who knows where!!!! > > Much Love, > Beth > > Re: New to group > > Hi Beth, > I am a mother of 5 unvaccinated children ages 22-3 and so have a lot of > years under my belt here. They have all been very healthy without > vaccines. > There are lots of children who were able to take 2 or 3 rounds of > vaccines and > then on the next one, they had the terrible reaction and there are many > stories from parents who have written in their grief about how their > child was > developing normally and then after another round of vaccines, totally > changed, > lost their ability to talk and retreated into a world of their own > that many > call autism. There are others who's child became allergic to a lot of > things > and not to mention the overall diminishing of their immune systems. I > would > point out that if you start the shots when they are young, you really > have no > way of knowing what their personalities or health might have been without > them and though it may not seem that they have had reactions, you may > not be > able to tell what is going on in their bodies on a molecular level. I > just > could not risk all the unknowns. > > You can travel without them and you can get into school without them. > Sheri's website is one in my signature below _Vaccination Information > & Choice > Network - _ (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm) > > and please do look into the others. If you do a google search of " vaccine > damage " or vaccine adverse reaction " or " vaccine injured " you will find > plenty to read. There are lots of children out there who have been so > very > injured and all of their parents would tell you that ya never know > which shot is > going to send them over the edge and that if they knew then what they > know now > that they would have never given their children the vaccines. They want > nothing more than for their stories to inspire caring mothers like you > to learn > all that you can about the potential reactions to vaccines that can > happen. > > I will be happy to help you in any way that I can because I believe > with all > my heart that vaccines are not safe for anyone! > > Mavis > > ***Are Vaccines Safe?*** > > _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _ > (http://www.vran. org/links/ story-links. htm) > > _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_ > (http://www.newstarg et.com/Report_ HPV_Vaccine_ 0.html) > > _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _ > (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm) > > _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib. org/index. htm) > > _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_ > (http://thinktwice. com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_ > (http://909shot. com/) > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 7:30:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > tommygirl18_ 1981 (DOT) com writes: > > > Thank you for the response. I guess what confuses me the most is if my > kids > have not had reactions to the vaccines and they are jsut getting > second and > third doeses of the same thing, why would they now have a reaction? Also, > this may keep us from being able to travel with my husband. When he > leaves he > is gone for 3 yrs at a time.......Also, what about school????? > > Where can I find Sheri's website? It may be right under my nose but I am > not seeing it > > Thanks again, > Beth > > ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolprf00030 000000001) > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Dear Beth You may also want to try vaclib.org. Can answer all your questions. Good luck Jim New to group Hi everyone, I just joined this group and I am looking for information regarding whether or not to get my kids their vaccines. I have 2 kids ages 3 1/2 and 18 months. As of right now, they are both up to date on their shots and thus far have had no reaction to the vaccines. They have not even have a fever from them. I have just recently started my research on the safety of them. I am considering doing a slower pace of getting them. Is it believed that this will or could be helpful? Also, I currently see a naturopath (that is also a MD). I have made him aware of my concerns and this is a recommendation he gave me. He said there is a homeopathic formula (which I have) for childhood vaccines. He told me the first 72 hours are the most critical time frame for having a bad reaction. He told me the homeopathic formula will help offset the reactions allowing the vaccine to provide the " protection they say it provides " while minimizing the risk of problems. He said it acts as a dumping agent and gets rid or " dumps " the extra's that are in vaccines so they are not absorbed and stored in the cell tissue to manifest and create problems. Has anyone heard of this??? He is a great ND and I do value his opinion. On an ending note, I want to point out that my husband's job takes us overseas ALOT. His work requires us to have our vaccines and also for the kids to be accepted into the schools they need vacinated. I found that out this year sending my oldest to preschool. I have seen the info regarding that we as parents do not have to legally give our children vaccines but they may be denied going to public schools and things like that. This would also pose a problem for us traveling overseas. Any suggestion? If this is the wrong support group for this type of post, I am sorry. Could someone point me in the right direction??? Thanks for any advice/help on this matter. I look forward to speaking to and getting to know each of you. Much Love, Beth ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Never miss a thing. Make your home page. http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi Bekah, I am close to your age (32) and have wondered about a handicap sticker as well. I think I am going to ask my GP about it (now that I've finally found a good doctor). I'll let you know how it works for me. I agree with the other ladies - if one doctor said no, ask another! Welcome to the group! Blessings, Amity in Oklahoma > > Hi! My name is Bekah and I am a 34-year-old school teacher. I also > work part time cleaning and tutoring to make extra money. I have a > 10-year-old-daughter--it's just the two of us. > > I was diagnosed with fibro a year ago, but that came after a > diagnosis of chronic costochondritis about three years prior. In > addition to these ailments, I also have Type II diabetes, IBS, GERD, > gastroparesis, migraines, depression, and panic/anxiety disorder. I > was diagnosed with ADD as an adult, but I often wonder if many of my > symptoms are related to the fibro and not ADD. > > My pain and my ability to tolerate it are getting worse. I am > extremely overweight and wonder how much a role that plays in my > pain. I avoid taking medications when I can, but I do take my > diabetes meds,depression and anxiety meds. I don't take anything for > the pain, but I do have a prescription for Ultram. I am wondering if > you have found that an effective tool for managing pain. > > Anyway, I just wanted to introduce myself. Fibro has begun to > interfere with my quality of life and my ability to do my daily > tasks at times. Almost no one in my life understands this ailment > and I often feel like they think I'm making it up as an excuse for > why I'm exhausted and in pain ALL THE TIME!! > > One more question: do any of you use a handicap parking sticker? I > asked my rheumetologist for her signature to get one becuase my back > and thigh muscles cramp up when I have to walk long distances but > she refused to sign for me. It made me feel like a fraud. Just > wondering if anyone can empathize. > > Take care! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi Beth, I was fully vaccinated as a child (I was born in Poland in the late 70s so I probably got fewer vax's than kids get today) and I think it weakened my immune system. I'm 31 and have only had fever once in my life. I seem to linger in my sickness: it takes a long time for me to get better. OTOH, my 3.5 YO unvaxed son gets a 102 fever and is better in a flash no matter what is wrong with him. I think my immune system does not respond " right " . Even though I've been eating very healthy for several years now, I am now discovering a sensitivity to casein (milk). I'm also looking into gluten intolerance. There are so many people out there now with allergies, intolerances and sensitivities to many " regular " foods !!! Growing up I NEVER heard of food allergies - not one. Now it seems to be mainstream - there are lists on the walls of daycares with lines like " - no dairy; - no peanuts; etc " . Seems like you have some reading to do - I don't know much about traveling overseas and other countries. My MIL in Czech Republic keeps convincing me that you " have to " have vaccines there - there is no way out. I doubt that, but... Good luck, Magda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 beth, my kids are 17, 15, 12, 6 and are unvaxed. i personally wouldn't worry about going out of the country. just keep reading and learning! tikva --- Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote: > Mavis - thank you for your reply to my post. I am > glad to be speaking with someone wo has children > that are not vaccinated. I look at tall the > information I have gathers not only from here but > also the numerous articles I have read before > finding this forum. Everything tell me to run in > the other direction of vaccines and my gut tells me > they must not be safe...but the diseases also scare > me. I was watching a progrma yesterday about the > debate over vaccines. One mother vaccinated her > children and her twin boys both began autistic. I > felt so bad for her but yet admired her for being > the brave mother she was to tell her story. Then > there was another mother who did not vaccinate her > 3rd child (she did her first 2) and at 11 months, > her daughter went to a b-day party and ended up with > one of the disease (can not remember which one). > Then it depends on who you talk to on what the > opinion is. I have spoke to many RN's, doctors, and > even some ND's that > says vaccines are protective to kids and they > should have them. Then I speak to other friends, > and medical professionals who say NO WAY!!!! I feel > very confused. > > I plan to keep doing m research. I may come up with > more and more questions for you but if you have > anything at all to share that you feel may be > helpful, please feel free to do so. I am a very > open, caring and loving women, wife and mother. I > am open to any and all opinions and advice. > > Thanks again and I look forward to staying in touch > with you tbhrough this very important decision. I > honeslty think if my mind could be put more at ease > for them to go without the vaccines, I would rather > not vaccinate. I jsut worry then about the > disease...even more so going overseas to who knows > where!!!! > > Much Love, > Beth > > > > Re: New to group > > Hi Beth, > I am a mother of 5 unvaccinated children ages 22-3 > and so have a lot of > years under my belt here. They have all been very > healthy without vaccines. > There are lots of children who were able to take 2 > or 3 rounds of vaccines and > then on the next one, they had the terrible reaction > and there are many > stories from parents who have written in their grief > about how their child was > developing normally and then after another round of > vaccines, totally changed, > lost their ability to talk and retreated into a > world of their own that many > call autism. There are others who's child became > allergic to a lot of things > and not to mention the overall diminishing of their > immune systems. I would > point out that if you start the shots when they are > young, you really have no > way of knowing what their personalities or health > might have been without > them and though it may not seem that they have had > reactions, you may not be > able to tell what is going on in their bodies on a > molecular level. I just > could not risk all the unknowns. > > You can travel without them and you can get into > school without them. > Sheri's website is one in my signature below > _Vaccination Information & Choice > Network - _ (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ > vaccine.htm) > > and please do look into the others. If you do a > google search of " vaccine > damage " or vaccine adverse reaction " or " vaccine > injured " you will find > plenty to read. There are lots of children out there > who have been so very > injured and all of their parents would tell you that > ya never know which shot is > going to send them over the edge and that if they > knew then what they know now > that they would have never given their children the > vaccines. They want > nothing more than for their stories to inspire > caring mothers like you to learn > all that you can about the potential reactions to > vaccines that can happen. > > I will be happy to help you in any way that I can > because I believe with all > my heart that vaccines are not safe for anyone! > > Mavis > > ***Are Vaccines Safe?*** > > _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY > LINKS " _ > (http://www.vran. org/links/ story-links. htm) > > _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_ > (http://www.newstarg et.com/Report_ HPV_Vaccine_ > 0.html) > > _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _ > (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm) > > _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ > (http://www.vaclib. org/index. htm) > > _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine > Reactions_ > (http://thinktwice. com/) _National Vaccine > Information Center_ (http://909shot. com/) > > In a message dated 3/12/2008 7:30:42 P.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > tommygirl18_ 1981 (DOT) com writes: > > > Thank you for the response. I guess what confuses me > the most is if my kids > have not had reactions to the vaccines and they are > jsut getting second and > third doeses of the same thing, why would they now > have a reaction? Also, > this may keep us from being able to travel with my > husband. When he leaves he > is gone for 3 yrs at a time.......Also, what about > school????? > > Where can I find Sheri's website? It may be right > under my nose but I am > not seeing it > > Thanks again, > Beth > > ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and > advice on AOL Money & > Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? > NCID=aolprf00030 000000001) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ > Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Mobile. 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Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi Beth, I understand your concerns. DD is fully vaxed and she didn't have any issues (or any I could tell right away) until her 15 month shots. I have a 16 month old son who is not vaxed, and besides a fever and a cold, has never been sick. He had thrush once, but that was not a big deal. He's happy and healthy...without being vaxed. Just comparing DD's vax schedule when she was a baby and looking up the vax schedule now...it's ridiculous. I have also been blessed with a strong immune system. I've had strep throat once and I think I might have had the flu once when I was 8. I got the chicken pox naturally at the age of 12...and other than a few colds here and there, I would say I am healthy. I have my shot records from when I was born and the shots that I received do not even come close to the amount my DD has received. I think besides Polio, DTP, and one MMR shot. I received another one years ago. Anyways, I feel for you because I have been in the same situation. But as I see my son develop and see how healthy he is, I know in my heart I made the right choice in not vaxing him. I truly believe in my heart that the more we try to dodge these natural diseases by making up something to try and " prevent " them in the lab, the more harm we are ultimately doing to ourselves. Good luck!! I am the only person in my family with an unvaxed child...and I think besides gaining more knowledge and doing research, the next best thing is a support system. Kim Beth Jacomet <tommygirl18_1981@...> wrote: I know there is alot of information there.....the thing is, we are scheduled to go overseas in 3 months. I am going to have to make my decision in the next few weeks. Does anyone think the homeopathic drops will be effective??? Re: New to group Hi Beth Welcome Oh goodness.... .......where t start. At 03:48 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >Hi everyone, I just joined this group and I am looking for >information regarding whether or not to get my kids their vaccines. >I have 2 kids ages 3 1/2 and 18 months. As of right now, they are >both up to date on their shots and thus far have had no reaction to >the vaccines. They have not even have a fever from them. That's good probably - I'll address why it might not be good after I hear back from you. How is their health otherwise? How is the health of the other people in your family - you, your husband and both your parents and other family members? >I have just recently started my research on the safety of them. I >am considering doing a slower pace of getting them. There is no guarantee that that is safe. Vaccines are dangerous given one by one or in multiples at any age. I have seen injury and death at any age and from one or more vaccines at a time. > Is it believed >that this will or could be helpful? Also, I currently see a >naturopath (that is also a MD). I have made him aware of my >concerns and this is a recommendation he gave me. He said there is >a homeopathic formula (which I have) for childhood vaccines. That is ludicrous, I'm sorry to say. If it were so easy we would not have vaccine injury. I am a homeopath and there is no such thing. He is not doing anyone any favors by making people have a false sense of security. >He >told me the first 72 hours are the most critical time frame for >having a bad reaction. This is not necessarily ture. >He told me the homeopathic formula will help >offset the reactions allowing the vaccine to provide the " protection >they say it provides " while minimizing the risk of problems. This is not guaranteed. >He >said it acts as a dumping agent and gets rid or " dumps " the extra's >that are in vaccines so they are not absorbed and stored in the cell >tissue to manifest and create problems. Has anyone heard of >this??? He is a great ND and I do value his opinion. I'm glad you like him but there is no way what he says can be proved to be true. You need to question everyone about this stuff, not just mainstream MD's He may be good on some things and not necessarily have all the answers. Unless he has extensive training in homeopathy and in vaccine dangers, he may not know all he needs to. >On an ending note, I want to point out that my husband's job takes >us overseas ALOT. His work requires us to have our vaccines and >also for the kids to be accepted into the schools they need >vacinated. This also is probably not true. His work cannot demand that you have vaccines as far as I know. Who does he work for and where do you go. And all states in the US have exemptions you can use except West Virginia and Mississippi. And most countries in the world do NOT mandate vaccines > I found that out this year sending my oldest to >preschool. What state do you live in. They will tell you that but it is untrue. They don't tell you about the exemptions. > I have seen the info regarding that we as parents do not >have to legally give our children vaccines but they may be denied >going to public schools and things like that. This would also pose >a problem for us traveling overseas. Any suggestion? See above. >If this is the wrong support group for this type of post, I am >sorry. Could someone point me in the right direction??? Perfect for this list Please tell us more. >Thanks for any advice/help on this matter. I look forward to >speaking to and getting to know each of you. > >Much Love, >Beth Welcome and thanks for the great questions Sheri __________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 At 08:33 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: >Sheri - thank you for taking the time to respond and help me in this >decision. > >I thought Ohio had strict laws. I guess I need to check into that further. > >The reason I believe my hubby's job will MAKE us give vaccines is >because he works for the govt. He works in communications for the >US State Dept. They have to " clear " us before we can go. This >means being up to date on all our shots...... He is checking into >it to see if we can waive them but I honestly do not think we >can. PLus, I also worry about traveling overseas...... > >Beth The government cannot force you to vaccine yourself and your children. Maybe his job will depend on it, but you do not work for them. Has he ever tried to refuse? http://www.nvic.org/state-site/Ohio.htm All you have to say is a note with the wording of the law below; Current as of 2007 Quick Fact: A pupil who presents a written statement of the pupil's parent or guardian in which the parent or guardian declines to have the pupil immunized for reasons of conscience, including religious convictions, is not required to be immunized > Re: New to group > >At 06:30 PM 3/12/2008, you wrote: > > > > >Thank you for the response. I guess what confuses me the most is if > >my kids have not had reactions to the vaccines and they are jsut > >getting second and third doeses of the same thing, why would they > >now have a reaction? Also, this may keep us from being able to > >travel with my husband. When he leaves he is gone for 3 yrs at a > >time....... Also, what about school????? > > > >Where can I find Sheri's website? It may be right under my nose but > >I am not seeing it > > > >Thanks again, > >Beth > >Tell me about your kids and the illnesses they have had since infancy. > >And just because they haven't reacted before does not mean they won't >react to the next one. There is no safety in that idea. > >Why could you not travel with your husband? How can a job make any >demands on a family? Please clarify this. And most countries have >NO laws mandating vaccines >Ohio has easy exemptions from vaccines. > >http://www.wellwith in1.com/vaccine. htm > >Sheri >listowner > > > > > > >_______________________________________________________________________________\ _____ >Be a better friend, newshound, and >know-it-all with Mobile. Try it >now. http://mobile./;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hi Beth Tell me about your kids and the illnesses they have had since infancy. And just because they haven't reacted before does not mean they won't react to the next one. There is no safety in that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Tell me about your kids and the illnesses they have had since infancy. And just because they haven't reacted before does not mean they won't react to the next one. There is no safety in that idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 Hey Sandie, I couldn't help but notice your email addy. I've never seen another "memommy" Its what my grandsons call me. I was only 33 when my first one was born and, at 33, I thought I was too young for my grandson to call me "gramma" or "memaw" which is common here in KY, so I thought a few minutes and came up with memommy. I thought it sounded younger and different. Anyway, I'm not sure if that's why your handle is memommy but, if it is, all I can say is great minds think alike...either that, or we're terribly vain...lol! Anway, its sure nice to meet another memommy! Gentle Hugs, Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 13, 2008 Report Share Posted March 13, 2008 , I am also new to the group. Only been on here for a couple of days!!!! I have 2 kids also ages 3 1/2 and 18 months. I also vaccinate but I am trying to take more precautions to doing it maybe a little slower and spacing them out. Do you find it beneficial to do it the way you are???? I just wanted to say welcome and hope to talk with you regarding your schedule you do and how you feel about it. Much Love, Beth new to group Hi Everyone, Thought I would introduce myself. I have two children age 3 and 10 months. I do vaccinate my children but on a different vaccination schedule than recommended. I also don't do certain vacccines because I would really rather they contract them by naturally. I come from the camp that certain diseases actually make your body stronger and you shouldn't try to avoid them. I wait until my kids are one and then they get one shot at least one month apart. My doctor is very supportive of this, in fact he insist on it. He also won't give any vaccinations if he sees they have any signs of illness (runny nose, coughing, etc...). So as a result they really get one shot every few months. I look forward to learing more about vaccines and talking with everyone about the latest news and issues related. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Search. http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?category=shopping Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 At 05:28 PM 3/13/2008, you wrote: Hi Everyone, Thought I would introduce myself. I have two children age 3 and 10 months. I do vaccinate my children but on a different vaccination schedule than recommended. I also don't do certain vacccines because I would really rather they contract them by naturally. I come from the camp that certain diseases actually make your body stronger and you shouldn't try to avoid them. I wait until my kids are one and then they get one shot at least one month apart. My doctor is very supportive of this, in fact he insist on it. He also won't give any vaccinations if he sees they have any signs of illness (runny nose, coughing, etc...). So as a result they really get one shot every few months. Hi , Welcome But I will tell you there is NO guarantee that this is safe. I have seen injury and death from one vaccine, or multiples, or delayed and separated ones. The key is to learn about the reality of the diseases - the true risk of even getting them, the risk of them, and alternative treatment. Vaccines are filled with toxic ingredients and are very harmful to the immune system and there is no safe way to take them And you probably don't realize as they don't tell you, they do not give immunity. Start with my webpages http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Also ask questions. Tell us the diseases you fear most and why? I know they have brainwashed us all to fear disease to sell vaccine and drugs. The healthiest children I know are unvaccinated children, in most cases Sheri listowner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Hi again, I wanted to make you aware of this forum where there is a lot of good information and a lot of archives that you can look through. This is one story that I read this morning and I am sure that it will interest you in your quest to figure it all out. _http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=862966_ (http://www.mothering.com/discussions/showthread.php?t=862966) Blessings, Mavis ***Are Vaccines Safe?*** _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _ (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm) _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_ (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html) _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _ (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm) _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm) _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_ (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_ (http://909shot.com/) In a message dated 3/14/2008 2:20:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kisses4chuly@... writes: For the lady with the 3 year old and 10 month old, can you please share with me what vaccines you don't give and why? I only ask because I am trying to receive as much info as possible without missing something. I personally have decided against the MMR and now looking towards the DTAP which is due according to the " schedule " at my daughter's next month 15 month check up. Please advise......For the **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Beth, As I said earlier, I have 5 unvaccinated kids ages 3-22 and have never had any of the diseases besides chicken pox. However, because I joined a Homeopathic study group when my oldest was young, I learned not to fear the diseases. That was way before there was the internet and you are in a much better position now to get the support that you would need should either of your children get the measles or whooping cough. There are just so many valid ways to deal with them if they ever became an issue. But, they probably won't get them anyway even overseas. And, there is not guarantee that the vaccines will protect them against them anyways. I just don't believe that they do what they are saying they do. After all of these years, I am sure that I have had to deal with far less illness in my children than the parents of vaccinated children. They basically were only feverish when they were teething, no ear infections, never a need for antibiotics. I treated them mostly with homeopathy whenever they caught a little bug and needed help getting through it. I applaud you for trying to learn all that you can and hope that you will be able to confidently decide to wait until you fully research the risks associated with each and every vaccine. The Mothering Forum that I sent before is very active and you can subscribe to the ones that mostly interest you to get updated daily. Blessings, Mavis ***Are Vaccines Safe?*** _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _ (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm) _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_ (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html) _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _ (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm) _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm) _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_ (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_ (http://909shot.com/) In a message dated 3/14/2008 4:23:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tommygirl18_1981@... writes: Mavis - thank you for the link....I will take a look at it. I believe I was at the other forum (maybe this one) that you are mentioning. I noticed this forum was more for parents trying to make the decision instead of ones that laready had made the decision. However, it did not appear to be as much activity as this one so I decided to spend most of my time here I honestly think the best way to go is no-vax or slow-vax but I am still in the stage of being also afraid of the disease themselves..I hon I also am having trouble with my hubby agreeing that no-vax is the way to go. Even more so if it mean we can not join him....we have been living apart for 16 months...keep in mind we have an 18 month baby. He has missed his whole life this far. Now, I am not willing to risk my health or that of my kids to go over there but it does make my situation a little more difficult!!!I I truely am jsut searhing for answers. I was wondering if I decide to stop vax all together, wht should I do to help prevent these diseases or any others?? Anything special besides common sense???? Should I ever worry about them being around other kids whether they are vaxed or not??? Love, Beth **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 For the lady with the 3 year old and 10 month old, can you please share with me what vaccines you don't give and why? I only ask because I am trying to receive as much info as possible without missing something. I personally have decided against the MMR and now looking towards the DTAP which is due according to the " schedule " at my daughter's next month 15 month check up. Please advise......thank you vaccineinfo@... wrote: At 05:28 PM 3/13/2008, you wrote: Hi Everyone, Thought I would introduce myself. I have two children age 3 and 10 months. I do vaccinate my children but on a different vaccination schedule than recommended. I also don't do certain vacccines because I would really rather they contract them by naturally. I come from the camp that certain diseases actually make your body stronger and you shouldn't try to avoid them. I wait until my kids are one and then they get one shot at least one month apart. My doctor is very supportive of this, in fact he insist on it. He also won't give any vaccinations if he sees they have any signs of illness (runny nose, coughing, etc...). So as a result they really get one shot every few months. Hi , Welcome But I will tell you there is NO guarantee that this is safe. I have seen injury and death from one vaccine, or multiples, or delayed and separated ones. The key is to learn about the reality of the diseases - the true risk of even getting them, the risk of them, and alternative treatment. Vaccines are filled with toxic ingredients and are very harmful to the immune system and there is no safe way to take them And you probably don't realize as they don't tell you, they do not give immunity. Start with my webpages http://www.wellwithin1.com/vaccine.htm Also ask questions. Tell us the diseases you fear most and why? I know they have brainwashed us all to fear disease to sell vaccine and drugs. The healthiest children I know are unvaccinated children, in most cases Sheri listowner Rina Barillas --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Mavis - thank you for the link....I will take a look at it. I believe I was at the other forum (maybe this one) that you are mentioning. I noticed this forum was more for parents trying to make the decision instead of ones that laready had made the decision. However, it did not appear to be as much activity as this one so I decided to spend most of my time here I honestly think the best way to go is no-vax or slow-vax but I am still in the stage of being also afraid of the disease themselves....... I also am having trouble with my hubby agreeing that no-vax is the way to go. Even more so if it mean we can not join him....we have been living apart for 16 months...keep in mind we have an 18 month baby. He has missed his whole life this far. Now, I am not willing to risk my health or that of my kids to go over there but it does make my situation a little more difficult!!!! I truely am jsut searhing for answers. I was wondering if I decide to stop vax all together, wht should I do to help prevent these diseases or any others?? Anything special besides common sense???? Should I ever worry about them being around other kids whether they are vaxed or not??? Love, Beth Re: new to group Hi again, I wanted to make you aware of this forum where there is a lot of good information and a lot of archives that you can look through. This is one story that I read this morning and I am sure that it will interest you in your quest to figure it all out. _http://www.motherin g.com/discussion s/showthread. php?t=862966_ (http://www.motherin g.com/discussion s/showthread. php?t=862966) Blessings, Mavis ***Are Vaccines Safe?*** _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _ (http://www.vran. org/links/ story-links. htm) _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_ (http://www.newstarg et.com/Report_ HPV_Vaccine_ 0.html) _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _ (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm) _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib. org/index. htm) _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_ (http://thinktwice. com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_ (http://909shot. com/) In a message dated 3/14/2008 2:20:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kisses4chuly writes: For the lady with the 3 year old and 10 month old, can you please share with me what vaccines you don't give and why? I only ask because I am trying to receive as much info as possible without missing something. I personally have decided against the MMR and now looking towards the DTAP which is due according to the " schedule " at my daughter's next month 15 month check up. Please advise...... For the ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolprf00030 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 >>>> Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2008 11:19:29 -0700 (PDT) X-ASG-Orig-Subj: Re: new to group Subject: Re: new to group Reply-Vaccinations X--Newman-Property: groups-email-tradt-m X-Barracuda-Connect: n46c.bullet.mail.sp1.[66.163.168.180] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1205518823 X-Barracuda-Virus-Scanned: by Barracuda Spam Firewall at nccn.net For the lady with the 3 year old and 10 month old, can you please share with me what vaccines you don't give and why? I only ask because I am trying to receive as much info as possible without missing something. I personally have decided against the MMR and now looking towards the DTAP which is due according to the " schedule " at my daughter's next month 15 month check up. Please advise......thank you >>> We are getting a lot of you on here who have only read Dr. SEars book - don't know if that is the case with you. But just because he says you can get them safely, does not make it so. ALL vaccines are harmful at any age and in any amount. I can't say that loud enough. Why do you have fears of D & T & P? Key is to educate yourself about the diseases Diphtheria, Tetanus and Pertussis. Once you do you will lose your fear of them and feeling the need to vaccinate (which does nothing anyway to give immunity, only injects illness into your child). See my webpages Look at the tetanus pages http://www.wellwithin1.com/tetanus.htm to see the reality of the risk of tetanus After 6 months of age, the risk goes way down for serious complications from pertussis because they ahve grown and their airways are larger and can handle the secretions. Also homeopathy can treat very nicely. Diphtheria is a disease of poverty and not even seen in the US anymore. So please please all of you - I don't want to see you back here with vaccine injured children because the next vaccine could do just that. The key is to get over the fear programmed into by the drug companies and doctors. Sheri listowner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Mavis - thank you - if it were solely up to me, I would definately hold off. However, my hubby wants them vaccinated (although I am sure he would back off if we could move without them). Also, I believe his work demands it. I am checking into this further. I will not be taking him for the next few weeks to get his vaccines if I do at all so I have some time to gather as much info as I can. That is why I am on here constantly.... If I can get them " cleared " without the shots then I will most likely do that and give myself more time to see how I feel about all of this. I read (maybe by you) a post here that says " you can always get the vaccines later buyt can not do a vaccine that has already been given " . I agree 110%!!!!! I am recovering myself from some illnesses that occured by using something that was " safe " !!!! I seriously doubt the medical system anyways. However, my big question is WHY did these diseases kill so many people yet it seems no one on here says we should fear these diseases. If I am correct on this, the vacines were started because the diseases we so bad. I am sure the chance of getting a disease is far less than the autism odds but to me, it works the same way. Does not matter what the odds are if you are the 1 who gets it...... Am I making sense here???? Mavis - thanks again - I will stay close and be in touch through the next several weeks. I hope and pray I can get my boys and myself over there without the vaccines. I will then most likely not vaccinate right away.... Love, Beth Re: new to group Beth, As I said earlier, I have 5 unvaccinated kids ages 3-22 and have never had any of the diseases besides chicken pox. However, because I joined a Homeopathic study group when my oldest was young, I learned not to fear the diseases. That was way before there was the internet and you are in a much better position now to get the support that you would need should either of your children get the measles or whooping cough. There are just so many valid ways to deal with them if they ever became an issue. But, they probably won't get them anyway even overseas. And, there is not guarantee that the vaccines will protect them against them anyways. I just don't believe that they do what they are saying they do. After all of these years, I am sure that I have had to deal with far less illness in my children than the parents of vaccinated children. They basically were only feverish when they were teething, no ear infections, never a need for antibiotics. I treated them mostly with homeopathy whenever they caught a little bug and needed help getting through it. I applaud you for trying to learn all that you can and hope that you will be able to confidently decide to wait until you fully research the risks associated with each and every vaccine. The Mothering Forum that I sent before is very active and you can subscribe to the ones that mostly interest you to get updated daily. Blessings, Mavis ***Are Vaccines Safe?*** _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _ (http://www.vran. org/links/ story-links. htm) _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_ (http://www.newstarg et.com/Report_ HPV_Vaccine_ 0.html) _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _ (http://www.nccn. net/~wwithin/ vaccine.htm) _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib. org/index. htm) _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_ (http://thinktwice. com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_ (http://909shot. com/) In a message dated 3/14/2008 4:23:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tommygirl18_ 1981 (DOT) com writes: Mavis - thank you for the link....I will take a look at it. I believe I was at the other forum (maybe this one) that you are mentioning. I noticed this forum was more for parents trying to make the decision instead of ones that laready had made the decision. However, it did not appear to be as much activity as this one so I decided to spend most of my time here I honestly think the best way to go is no-vax or slow-vax but I am still in the stage of being also afraid of the disease themselves.. I hon I also am having trouble with my hubby agreeing that no-vax is the way to go. Even more so if it mean we can not join him....we have been living apart for 16 months...keep in mind we have an 18 month baby. He has missed his whole life this far. Now, I am not willing to risk my health or that of my kids to go over there but it does make my situation a little more difficult!!! I I truely am jsut searhing for answers. I was wondering if I decide to stop vax all together, wht should I do to help prevent these diseases or any others?? Anything special besides common sense???? Should I ever worry about them being around other kids whether they are vaxed or not??? Love, Beth ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolprf00030 000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 >>>>>From Beth However, my big question is WHY did these diseases kill so many people yet it seems no one on here says we should fear these diseases. >>>>>>>> What diseases and who specifically. I just sent an email and graphs. >> If I am correct on this, the vacines were started because the diseases we so bad. You have to look at sanitation in the past Wherever smallpox vaccination went, smallpox followed. You basically have to realize everything you thought you knew about vaccines and diseases was wrong and start over Vaccines now are made because they are huge money makers An allopaths don't always have a good way to treat things they think are caused by viruses - but homeopathy does >>> I am sure the chance of getting a disease is far less than the autism odds but to me, it works the same way. Does not matter what the odds are if you are the 1 who gets it...... Am I making sense here???? Yes.............but the key is to learn the truth, not what you have been told Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 >>>>>From Beth However, my big question is WHY did these diseases kill so many people yet it seems no one on here says we should fear these diseases. >>>>>>>> What diseases and who specifically. I just sent an email and graphs. >> If I am correct on this, the vacines were started because the diseases we so bad. You have to look at sanitation in the past Wherever smallpox vaccination went, smallpox followed. You basically have to realize everything you thought you knew about vaccines and diseases was wrong and start over Vaccines now are made because they are huge money makers An allopaths don't always have a good way to treat things they think are caused by viruses - but homeopathy does >>> I am sure the chance of getting a disease is far less than the autism odds but to me, it works the same way. Does not matter what the odds are if you are the 1 who gets it...... Am I making sense here???? Yes.............but the key is to learn the truth, not what you have been told Sheri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 > However, my big question is WHY did these diseases kill so many people > yet it seems no one on here says we should fear these diseases. Most of the diseases the world vaccinates for today are NOT the killers of yesteryear. Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, tetanus - none of these routinely killed children. The chicken pox vaccine was developed because someone figured out that the US lost about one billion dollars in lost productivity per year when working moms had to take time off work to take care of their sick children. It wasn't about the disease killing people. The vaccine was rushed through trials, and the lifelong immunity it was thought to transmit was completely bogus. We all found that out when the high school and college kids were getting chicken pox. Since the vax was introduced, there have been 3 boosters added to the schedule. Hepatitis B is a sexually transmitted disease. In 1996, the year the US started the Hep B vax in babies, there were 54 cses of Hep B in children under age 5. There were over 17,000 reports of moderate to severe adverse effects to VAERS. Hepatitis A is comparable to the flu, and rarely causes complications in anyone. Speaking of the flu, I concede that influenza can kill. However, the flu vaccine is a " best guess " and there has been plenty of press about how the vax didn't protect against the strains that are out there now. Diphtheria was once a threat. It's major cause is living in close quarters, without access to clean water. It's big in Russia, but not found in other Western countries. If you read the DTaP vaccine inserts, you will find that there are very few cases per year in the US. I believe one of the inserts estimated 5 cases in one year. This leaves pneumonia, Hib (a type of meningitis), and polio. Polio has been discussed in-depth here recently. The pneumonia vaccine, like the flu vaccine, is a best guess. The Hib vaccine appears to work, but cases of other types of meningitis are on the rise. We're trading one disease for another. The single most important " invention " in medicine was the washing of hands. That, combined with sterilization of instruments and items used with sick individuals, has saved more lives than we realize. And, think about all the other killers for which there are no vaccines, but we're not seeing anymore: the plague, scarlet fever, cholera, tuberculosis (technically there is a vax, but even pro-vaxers admit it doesn't work), and so on. I hope this helps! ~Robyn Beth Jacomet wrote: > > Recent Activity > > * > 27 > New Members > <Vaccinations/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJkb25zNGVtBF9TAzk\ 3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzE1NjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTEyNjE3MQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGl\ tZQMxMjA1NTM0MDQ1> > > Visit Your Group > <Vaccinations;_ylc=X3oDMTJjcWtqNnU5BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE\ 0BGdycElkAzE1NjU3BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwNTEyNjE3MQRzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEyMDU\ 1MzQwNDU-> > > Health > > Achy Joint? > <http://us.ard./SIG=13r4d561o/M=493064.12016303.12582636.9706571/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705126171:NC/Y=/EXP=1205541245/L=/B=NWiDBULaX.U-/J=120553404582614\ 2/A=5191948/R=0/SIG=13e3p6u0h/*http://health./arthritis-overview/top-te\ n-things-that-don-t-cause-arthritis/harvard--COL111103.html> > > Common arthritis > > myths debunked. > > Meditation and > > Lovingkindness > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rf6vgmi/M=493064.12016231.12582634.9706571/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705126171:NC/Y=/EXP=1205541245/L=/B=NmiDBULaX.U-/J=120553404582614\ 2/A=5191951/R=0/SIG=11iiaadso/*http://new./giftoflovingkindness> > > A Group > > to share and learn. > > Sell Online > > Start selling with > <http://us.ard./SIG=13rjonqba/M=493064.12016255.12445662.8674578/D=grph\ ealth/S=1705126171:NC/Y=/EXP=1205541245/L=/B=N2iDBULaX.U-/J=120553404582614\ 2/A=4025291/R=0/SIG=12bsapn24/*http://us.rd./evt=44092/*http://smallbus\ iness./merchant> > > our award-winning > > e-commerce tools. > > . > > -- Robyn robyn@... <mailto:%20robyn@...> http://www.rmcsquared.net/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 Hi again Beth, I think it would be very wise of you to simply answer " YES " to their question about whether vaccines are current. That would really be the truth because they are current according to your decision at the moment. If they do not ask for the records, then I would hope that you will be okay here. I know that they cannot make you get them just to travel. Good luck with your noble attempt to delay them until you can do the research that you want to do in order to make a more educated decision. It would be important for you to know your rights so that you can stand up for what you really want. blessings, Mavis ***Are Vaccines Safe?*** _VACCINE RISK AWARENESS NETWORK - " PERSONAL STORY LINKS " _ (http://www.vran.org/links/story-links.htm) _The Great HPV Vaccine Hoax Exposed_ (http://www.newstarget.com/Report_HPV_Vaccine_0.html) _Vaccination Information & Choice Network - _ (http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm) _Vaccination Liberation Home Page_ (http://www.vaclib.org/index.htm) _ThinkTwice Global Vaccine Institute: Avoid Vaccine Reactions_ (http://thinktwice.com/) _National Vaccine Information Center_ (http://909shot.com/) In a message dated 3/15/2008 10:50:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, tommygirl18_1981@... writes: Robyn - yes, this does help and makes sense. I was just reading about the HIB vax and that there are other types of menigitis. From what I jsut read, viral is the most common with no vax yet. I was looking on my papers that I need to have filled out and sent in. The only question on there is are vaccinations current. I am still unsure if this will keep us from being cleared but I am going to try to put it through the ay things are now and not go forth with the vacsines until I feel more confident in my decisions...I was looking on my papers that I need to have filled out and sent in. The only question on there is are vaccinations current. I Love, Beth **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I agree--good overview. I do have a couple of clarifications to make. On the chicken pox vaccine, the failure of the vaccine was found many times in outbreaks of preschoolers, not high schoolers and that's when the boosters began. One example was in 2001 in Suffield, CT where 35 children came down with chicken pox and 20 had been vaccinated. At that time there were no booster shots. Second, I recall that the Hep B vaccine was given to babies in 1991. One of my sons was born in 1992 and I remember the pediatrician explaining that there wasn't enough of the vaccine for our area, that it was being given in cities first because of the higher need there. I vaccinated my kids back then and was upset that my child would have to wait. About two years later, I started questioning vaccines and saw a NY Times article (that was written I believe in 1991) about how those " at risk " of Hep. B were refusing the vaccine so it was decided to market it to kids because parents will do what's recommended. The article actually stated that! And, there was something in there about how it had never been tested on children at that point. FYI--soon after, I also noticed that the kids from his class had peanut allergies--no one from my older son's class had this problem. I think the Hep. B vaccine is the cause. Winnie Re: new to group Vaccinations > excellent summary, Robyn > Sheri > listowner > > At 11:27 PM 3/14/2008, you wrote: > > > However, my big question is WHY did these diseases kill so > many people > > > yet it seems no one on here says we should fear these diseases. > > > >Most of the diseases the world vaccinates for today are NOT the > killers>of yesteryear. > >Measles, mumps, rubella, chicken pox, tetanus - none of these > routinely>killed children. The chicken pox vaccine was developed > because someone > >figured out that the US lost about one billion dollars in lost > >productivity per year when working moms had to take time off > work to > >take care of their sick children. It wasn't about the disease killing > >people. The vaccine was rushed through trials, and the lifelong > immunity>it was thought to transmit was completely bogus. We all > found that out > >when the high school and college kids were getting chicken pox. Since > >the vax was introduced, there have been 3 boosters added to the > schedule.>Hepatitis B is a sexually transmitted disease. In > 1996, the year the US > >started the Hep B vax in babies, there were 54 cses of Hep B in > children>under age 5. There were over 17,000 reports of moderate > to severe > >adverse effects to VAERS. > >Hepatitis A is comparable to the flu, and rarely causes > complications in > >anyone. Speaking of the flu, I concede that influenza can kill. > However,>the flu vaccine is a " best guess " and there has been > plenty of press > >about how the vax didn't protect against the strains that are > out there > >now. > >Diphtheria was once a threat. It's major cause is living in close > >quarters, without access to clean water. It's big in Russia, > but not > >found in other Western countries. If you read the DTaP vaccine > inserts,>you will find that there are very few cases per year in > the US. I > >believe one of the inserts estimated 5 cases in one year. > >This leaves pneumonia, Hib (a type of meningitis), and polio. > Polio has > >been discussed in-depth here recently. The pneumonia vaccine, > like the > >flu vaccine, is a best guess. The Hib vaccine appears to work, > but cases > >of other types of meningitis are on the rise. We're trading one > disease>for another. > > > >The single most important " invention " in medicine was the > washing of > >hands. That, combined with sterilization of instruments and > items used > >with sick individuals, has saved more lives than we realize. > > > >And, think about all the other killers for which there are no > vaccines,>but we're not seeing anymore: the plague, scarlet > fever, cholera, > >tuberculosis (technically there is a vax, but even pro-vaxers > admit it > >doesn't work), and so on. > > > >I hope this helps! > >~Robyn > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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