New to group

[Guest guest]

Hi Miriam, am I right in thinking you are taking 2 NAE and you think

that's the maximum dose? Some people will take up to 6. I'm on 5 per

day on Dr P's advice. I know it says on the bottle 1 or 2 but Dr P is

a nutritionist and said to me there's no harm with taking that many.

Ruth x

>

> Hello Sheila,

>

> Thanks for your helpful reply.

>

> > The problem is that - as with Cortisol - DHEA has different

> reference ranges at different times during the day - that is why it

is

> so important that we know what it is for each separate test. You

will

> find it hidden somewhere in the documents they sent you. .......

>

> I'm afraid there is no other information on the results sheets. It

is

> a test by Genova Diagnostics and they only seem interested in the

> average for the DHEA.

>

> > Most iron supplements cause constipation, that that is why we

> recommend taking large dose Vit. C - which helps control this.

> Magnesium I can understand and Vitamin C do, but iron is well known

to

> cause quite serious constipation if taken in large doses. ....

>

> No, iron always gives me diarrhoea. I only get constipation if I

cut

> sugar, fibre, fruit and veg out of my diet.

>

> > Is the " adrenal " called " Adrenal Dynamite " or not and if not,

who

> makes " Adrenal " and do you find it works. ..........

>

> I am taking 2 of the Nutri Adrenal Extra (200 mg), by Nutri. I have

> been at the full dose for nearly 2 weeks, which is why I posted the

> question asking when I might expect to notice any effects.

>

> Thanks,

> Miriam

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Ruth. I have only just started on the NAE. Did you

experience any improvements at all before increasing the dosage?

Miriam

>

> Hi Miriam, am I right in thinking you are taking 2 NAE and you think

> that's the maximum dose? Some people will take up to 6. I'm on 5 per

> day on Dr P's advice. I know it says on the bottle 1 or 2 but Dr P is

> a nutritionist and said to me there's no harm with taking that many.

> Ruth x

>

[Guest guest]

Hi yes from about a week to ten days noticed an SLIGHT increase in

energy levels and blood sugar symptoms, I was on two then, just kept

improving the more I took. My blood sugar symptoms were awful but now

controlled. My adrenal salivary test showed adrenals not too bad

overall but readings were erractic. Ruth x

> >

> > Hi Miriam, am I right in thinking you are taking 2 NAE and you

think

> > that's the maximum dose? Some people will take up to 6. I'm on 5

per

> > day on Dr P's advice. I know it says on the bottle 1 or 2 but Dr

P is

> > a nutritionist and said to me there's no harm with taking that

many.

> > Ruth x

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Sorry, a misunderstanding I think! When I said " I have been at the

full dose for nearly 2 weeks " I meant that I had gradually worked up

to that dosage, not that I believed you couldn't take any more. :-)

Thanks for the info about the gradual increase.

Miriam

>

> 2 tablets of Nutri Adrenal Extra are not the 'full dose'. Many

people need more tablets daily than 2.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for sharing that. Sheila has just outlined for me how you can

increase gradually if necessary at 2-3 weekly intervals. Just before

I started the NAE I had another bad back episode, which was very

painful for a week or two, so I don't expect that helped much. Still,

onwards and upwards ....

Miriam

>

> Hi yes from about a week to ten days noticed an SLIGHT increase in

> energy levels and blood sugar symptoms, I was on two then, just kept

> improving the more I took. My blood sugar symptoms were awful but now

> controlled. My adrenal salivary test showed adrenals not too bad

> overall but readings were erratic. Ruth x

[Guest guest]

Dear Moonbeam, I'm so very sorry for all your losses.  Like you, my faith and

optimism has kept my going.  I have called my Pastor and told her about the

study book.  Maybe we can do the study in our Wed. night Bible study.

 

Lana

From: moonbeamblessings <moonbeamblessings@...>

Subject: Re: new to group

Scoliosis Treatment

Date: Friday, July 4, 2008, 8:03 PM

The road to my personal peace was paved with a lot of blood, sweat &

tears...ridicule, hopes, & fears....hours, moments, & years. I guess

it's just a combination of all the surgeries and struggles. In spite

of the down time healthwise, there were many dreams I realized &

goals I accomplished on both personal & career levels. I think the

beginning of my peace came when I was searching for someone to treat

my ever-increasing back pain. This was in the mid 90s & it was

difficult to find a pain center in the state. In September 97 I was

in the front car of a 4 car pile-up. Everyone else walked away

fine..maybe the most anyone had was feeling a little sore for a

couple of days. That day changed my mobility as I knew it. I was

already having difficulty coping with the regular degenerative

changes of my spine, but the collision made each step excruciating. I

had been scaling back my activities over the period of a year due to

my'regular' pain, but I had to come to a screeching halt after the

accident. Simply sitting up was painful. I could only walk using a

walker. I was out of work for a while & had to live off the credit

cards during that period because I was a temporary employee with no

insurance or days off. After a few weeks I was able to go in &

work...anywhere from 30 minutes to 4 hours & that lasted a few

months. My social life was nonexistent. I missed my swimming, hiking,

dancing, bicycling, traveling, & being able to go somewhere in the

blink of an eye. Fortunately, just weeks before the accident we'd

completed a small group study in the church I went to at the time.

The workbook is called " Recovering from the Losses of Life. " It's

applicable for anyone going thru any type of loss...whether it's

death, health, marriage, employment related...you name it. I remember

going on Wednesday nights to our study group & taking my special

chair (my sand chair that I always took with me to the beach) because

the regular chairs were so painful to sit in. Little did I know that

the pain I was in then was going to soon go off the charts

completely! Somehow, those lessons in those chapters & the study &

prayer that I commenced enabled me to 'handle' the accident. Not only

that, but to live thru the death of the love of my life 19 months

later, gastrointestinal surgery 1 year after that, & then survive &

thrive a stroke 1 year hence. Those are just the biggies, but I was

getting hit with major life losses from 1996-2004.

I've become so much more aware of everything around me. The average

Joe (sorry to any Joe's on the list - YOU know you're more than

average) walks out to get in the car & senses the day is hot & sunny.

MY EXPERIENCE of the exact same 15 ft walk to the car involves the

smell of the air, the feel of the sun on my skin, the sounds of

nature & businesses going on around me, the palette of colors in the

sky, the grass, flowers & weeds. I seek out the birds & insects on

this short trek & will pause to watch an ant carrying a stick or a

bread crumb double his own body size. I just fill every minute there

is with everything there is around me. Anyone watching me make this

short walk that takes less than a minute would think absolutely

nothing of it. I, however, have heard an orchestra and seen the most

brilliant art that exists in that brief span of time. It sounds

really corny, but I pause & notice every little thing and my life is

much richer for it. Also, another thing I do...especially on the days

when the pain is really bad...is I think about the things I am

thankful for. You know, sometimes you have to really search them out.

Like I'm glad I've got eyelids that I'm able to close, I'm glad my

follicles are holding onto my hair...from the simple to the silly.

Just today one of my 'thankfuls' was my ability to pick things up

with my toes. I was once pen pals with a guy who had no arms; he

wrote me tons of letters with his feet. I think this outlook somehow

affects my patience, because it seems that I have more patience than

ppl I know who have a lot. The only thing I can attribute it to is my

faith & my outlook. As I write this, I'm facing open heart surgery &

am sleeping on the sofa of a friend since I had to move out of my

home of 20 years in November. I do have my down days & teary, crying

times, but they don't last long. ~Moonbeam

> >

> > I am a 25 yr old female. I had my back fused at about the age of

> 9.

> > It is fused from T4 to L4, using CD rods. I also have prune belly

> > syndrome, which pretty much means that i do not have any stomach

> > muscles. So my tummy sticks out which causes even more stress on

> my

> > back. I never had problems growing up but the older i get, the

> more

> > problems i seem to have. now my hips, shoulders,and neck ( i have

> > developed arthritis in my neck)have really been bothering me. I

> have

> > gone to see orthapaedics my whole life but they cant do anything

> > because my spine is already fused. they just tell me to deal with

> > the pain. I was always numb around my middle after the surgeries

> but

> > now it seems to be growing into shoulders. Also, i am not sure

why

> > but I am always itchy around the numb areas of my back. My

> > shoulders " burn " constanly and somes day if i bend wrong or take

a

> > wrong step my neck/shoulder gets pinched and i cannot move. or my

> > hip screws up and i cannot walk. Basically i am sick of

> > hearing " just deal with it. " They prescribe me pain pills but

they

> > dont really work and they make me drowsy, so I cannot take them

> when

> > i work, which is when it bothers me most. I just dont know what

to

> > do anymore. Does anyone have any suggestions on what kind of

> doctor

> > i should be seeing b/c orth. just dont seem to care. Its not the

> > spine itself that bothers me. I believe it is my muscles.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy, Welcome to the group. Most of us have that lovely hip pain.

Believe it or not, in most cases it is not the bone that was removed

from your hip that is causing the pain, it's muscular. Think about

this, You have been standing for how many years favoring one side,

all of a sudden you are standing " properly " . These muscles have not

been used in years. Tell you doctor how you feel. They may give you a

muscle relaxer, he may place you on a pilates machine or even offer

that dreaded physical therapy. Dreaded you say? Yes I feel it is

horrible to go to a place, (this is only my opinion) drive in your

car just so they can inflict

pain. And the best part is you have to pay for this. They push you

to the limit. I told my doctor, I will do any exercise he tells me in

the comforts of my home- at my speed. I do not have anything against

physical therapy or the therapist. I would go to one if they had

spinal fusion and HARMS. No one but you knows your limit. Where did

you have your surgery?

, " stpiemy " <stpiemy@...>

wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I had scoliosis surgery in 1988 at age 14. I spent 3 weeks in the

> hospital due to complications. The doctors tried Harrington Rods

but

> were unsuccessful, I lost movement in my left leg. After another

> surgery 7 days later and after I had regained some movement, they

> tried placing the rods in there again....no such luck. All I have

is

> spinal fusion holding the curve in place. I was also in a back

brace

> for a year. My biggest issue is left hip pain. This is the spot

> where they took bone for my fusion. It has caused me more pain than

> my back and there are days where I can't even support my own body

> weight on that leg to walk.

>

> Has anyone else experienced this? What kind of remedies have you

tried?

>

> Thanks

>

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome!

This is an awful lot.... please b sure you're metting the calorie,

protein, fibr, etc needs for a safe and lasting loss.

We're never rying to lose as fast as possibl, but in a safe way hat -

this time -will STAY off.

please see the band guide in the files here for more on bandster

nutrinion, calorie, safety,needs and much more.

If you are losing this fast and ARE meeting the nutition and safety

need - good fo you!

Glad you're here with us!!

Sandy r , BSN, MN

band educator

at goal 4.5 yrs

>

> Hello

> I am Kristal I am 1 month post op lap band. Down 24lbs

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Welcome. I joined this group a few days ago and also live in

Washington State. I was banded on July 17.

I am down 17 pounds, 9 of them before op.

I started eating mushy foods a few days ago and things are going down

well. I make sure that things are baby food consistency before

swallowing. My Dr. has me eating 3 meals, no drinking at meal time

and waiting 30 minutes afterwards before drinking again. I am trying

to listen to my stomach and stop eating at the first feeling of

fullness. I know that this sensation will change after my first fill

but for now there are no problems. I am taking sips every few

seconds and that seems to work for me.

I will look forward to hearing about your continued success.

Jane

[Guest guest]

thats good. I had my surgey on 7/18/2008 and I'm down 14lbs so far Ihope it

keeps going.good luck to you.

-------------- Original message --------------

From: " krystilq2 " <krystilq2@...>

Hello

I am Kristal I am 1 month post op lap band. Down 24lbs

[Guest guest]

Where are you guys in washington? There is a huge yearly Bandster

picnic near Seattle on Aug 9 - I'll re=post the info in a second -

please join us PNW people for a wonderul chance to get to know

others. and do you both know about the PNW bandsters group,

that posts the many PNW suppost group meeting times and locations?

sandy r

>

> Hi ,

>

> Welcome. I joined this group a few days ago and also live in

> Washington State. I was banded on July 17.

>

> I am down 17 pounds, 9 of them before op.

>

> I started eating mushy foods a few days ago and things are going

down

> well. I make sure that things are baby food consistency before

> swallowing. My Dr. has me eating 3 meals, no drinking at meal time

> and waiting 30 minutes afterwards before drinking again. I am

trying

> to listen to my stomach and stop eating at the first feeling of

> fullness. I know that this sensation will change after my first

fill

> but for now there are no problems. I am taking sips every few

> seconds and that seems to work for me.

>

> I will look forward to hearing about your continued success.

>

> Jane

>

[Guest guest]

Him Amy - welcome!

The average loss with the band is 1#a week, and mostly AFTER we get

to a good fill level.

your 40 # loss in only 7 mo is well above average!! We;re big

on " reality checks " here, so we have reasonable expectations and

don't think we're doing less well than we really are.

Good for you for such good exercise!

There are lots of educational materials her in the files, if you're

interested.

Glad you're here!

sandy r

>

> Hello Everyone;

>

> I was banded 12/26/08. My name is Amy and I'm from WI. I'm only

down

> 40 but I am okay with that as I am a big exerciser and weight

lifter so

> as my fat mass goes down my muscle mass is going up! I'm training

for

> my 4th 1/2 marathon in September. Hopefully running the whole

thing

> instead of walking. I'm still trying to find the sweet spot with

my

> band. I just had to have an unfill because it was too tight and

now

> I'm being brought back up slowly .2cc at a time. Right now I feel

like

> I have no restriction and am a little frustrated but TRYING to be

> hopeful.

>

[Guest guest]

I live in Kirkland. I heard about the picnic. Unfortunately I can not

make it, hopefully next year.

I will look into the PNW bansters

group. Thanks for the info.

Jane

> >

> > Hi ,

> >

> > Welcome. I joined this group a few days ago and also live in

> > Washington State. I was banded on July 17.

> >

> > I am down 17 pounds, 9 of them before op.

> >

> > I started eating mushy foods a few days ago and things are going

> down

> > well. I make sure that things are baby food consistency before

> > swallowing. My Dr. has me eating 3 meals, no drinking at meal

time

> > and waiting 30 minutes afterwards before drinking again. I am

> trying

> > to listen to my stomach and stop eating at the first feeling of

> > fullness. I know that this sensation will change after my first

> fill

> > but for now there are no problems. I am taking sips every few

> > seconds and that seems to work for me.

> >

> > I will look forward to hearing about your continued success.

> >

> > Jane

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Cheryl, My surgery was done in Waterville, ME buy Dr . He is an orthopedic surgeon that took my case. He is a wonderful doctor and I would see him again for any reason. It will be 20 years this December since my surgery and he still remembers me. My hip pain is not constant just comes and goes and there are days when it is so painful. Since I had complications with my left leg during surgery (I lost motion but not feeling) that leg has really strong reflexes. There are times when the pain in my hip starts then it travels to my knee and ankle. It almost feels like nerve damage more than anything else. I also had a friend in high school that had the same surgery as me (he lived down the street) and he is having is some major issues now with his back. I am pretty lucky since I really

don't have that much pain, if any at all, and since I don't have Harrington Rods, I don't see a revision surgery in my future. I am concerned for my children so we are watching them carefully.

>

> Hello everyone,

>

> I had scoliosis surgery in 1988 at age 14. I spent 3 weeks in the

> hospital due to complications. The doctors tried Harrington Rods

but

> were unsuccessful, I lost movement in my left leg. After another

> surgery 7 days later and after I had regained some movement, they

> tried placing the rods in there again....no such luck. All I have

is

> spinal fusion holding the curve in place. I was also in a back

brace

> for a year. My biggest issue is left hip pain. This is the spot

> where they took bone for my fusion. It has caused me more pain than

> my back and there are days where I can't even support my own body

> weight on that leg to walk.

>

> Has anyone else experienced this? What kind of remedies have you

tried?

>

> Thanks

>

> Amy

>

[Guest guest]

(keith m) If any one has read my first post at 9.05pm and tried to

find the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, I'm

afraid the last two letters of the address fell onto the next line try

adding the df and it should work.

keith

[Guest guest]

Hi

Welcome to our forum and I hope you get as much help and support as you have given to us with your first message. I have printed off your message so I can keep this handy to help scrutinize this document. This is what we have been looking for and hopefully, will provide a lot of unanswered questions - and put our feet on the starting block. Do you know if it is possible to get a hard copy of the two documents you mention? Sorry to push this back to you, as you ahve already done so much work on behalf of all hypothyroid sufferers, but I am working away in the background and have little spare time at the moment LOL!

Regarding yourself, you need to make an appointment with your GP and get another blood test to see how your TFT's are now. Don't take any thyroid hormone for 24 hours before your blood is drawn - because for some people, this can skew the results. You need an increase in L-thyroxine and this should be increased (usually around every 3 months) until your symptoms have disappeared. It should not be increased until your results are more acceptable. Your doctor should (as said by Dr Steel on TV) be treating the patient and not the paper. Having antibodies means you have Hashimoto's disease, which means the antibodies attack your thyroid tissue, and eventually your thyroid will become destroyed and therefore, it is essential you get onto the right thyroid hormone replacement your body requires, as you need to take this for life.

Whatever questions you have to ask, somebody here will be along to try to answer them - and if we can't, we will try to point you in the right direction where you can get some answers.

Luv -Sheila

I've been on levothyroxine (25mg) for five weeks, I've had to use the information from TPA-UK and other web site just to get this far, my TSH hovers between 5.42 to 5.96 (ref 0.4 - 5.5), TPOab 629 (ref 0-35) daytime salivery cortisol is below ref ranges and normal 11pm to midnight and I have a verity of symptoms I may ask for advice about at a later date.But that's enough about me. Has any one looked into the new Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008. It may or may not apply in our situation but it's worth a look. Its 88 pages long and you will need to read the entire document as I may have miss interpreted some points. If you have read " Drug marketing. Key opinion leaders: independent Experts or drug representatives in disguise" http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/336/7658/1402It helps you see way this could be relevant.Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.Go to. http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/530162/oft931int.pdfI have listed some page numbers and paragraphs I think are relevant also some of my own comments.You will have to print them and read with the document.Page 12. Flow cartPage 13. Scope 4.3Page 14 In Scope 2-3Banned PracticesPage 18 6.1 (3) BTA Guide lines development group claim they can write the " UK Guidelines for the use of Thyroid Function tests", who appointed them UK spokesman.Page 22. (17) They claim T4 is the only treatment and can relieve all symptoms and if they don't its nothing to do with thyroid decease. The TPA-UK patients' survey show T4 does not relieve all symptoms and research into T3 T4 combinations and Armour does relieve symptoms. Prohibition on aggressive practicesPage 44. 8.2 Relates to the persecution of doctors to prevent patients form receiving alternative treatments to T4 and patients having to go outside the NHS (that we pay for) to get prescription and treatment.That your opinion keith PS. This is my first time on any forum hope it makes sense No virus found in this incoming message.

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[Guest guest]

I read it and yes, I did wonder what was wrong. Thanks - it now does work.

luv - Sheila

(keith m) If any one has read my first post at 9.05pm and tried to find the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008, I'm afraid the last two letters of the address fell onto the next line try adding the df and it should work.keithNo virus found in this incoming message.

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[Guest guest]

Hi Sheila I'll try to track down some hard copies and get them

mailed direct to you (KOL and Consumer protection). Please let me

know if you think this is the correct way to proceed once you've had

time to read the document.

>

> Hi

>

> Welcome to our forum and I hope you get as much help and support

as you have given to us with your first message. I have printed off

your message so I can keep this handy to help scrutinize this

document. This is what we have been looking for and hopefully, will

provide a lot of unanswered questions - and put our feet on the

starting block. Do you know if it is possible to get a hard copy of

the two documents you mention? Sorry to push this back to you, as

you ahve already done so much work on behalf of all hypothyroid

sufferers, but I am working away in the background and have little

spare time at the moment LOL!

>

> Regarding yourself, you need to make an appointment with your GP

and get another blood test to see how your TFT's are now. Don't take

any thyroid hormone for 24 hours before your blood is drawn -

because for some people, this can skew the results. You need an

increase in L-thyroxine and this should be increased (usually around

every 3 months) until your symptoms have disappeared. It should not

be increased until your results are more acceptable. Your doctor

should (as said by Dr Steel on TV) be treating the patient and

not the paper. Having antibodies means you have Hashimoto's disease,

which means the antibodies attack your thyroid tissue, and

eventually your thyroid will become destroyed and therefore, it is

essential you get onto the right thyroid hormone replacement your

body requires, as you need to take this for life.

>

> Whatever questions you have to ask, somebody here will be along to

try to answer them - and if we can't, we will try to point you in

the right direction where you can get some answers.

>

> Luv -Sheila

>

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

Yes please. My address is

Squirrel Cottage

Ickornshaw

Cowling

Nr Keighley

BD22 0DH

Yorkshire.

Luv - Sheila

Re: New to group

Hi Sheila I'll try to track down some hard copies and get them mailed direct to you (KOL and Consumer protection). Please let me know if you think this is the correct way to proceed once you've had time to read the document.>> Hi > > Welcome to our forum and I hope you get as much help and support as you have given to us with your first message. I have printed off your message so I can keep this handy to help scrutinize this document. This is what we have been looking for and hopefully, will provide a lot of unanswered questions - and put our feet on the starting block. Do you know if it is possible to get a hard copy of the two documents you mention? Sorry to push this back to you, as you ahve already done so much work on behalf of all hypothyroid sufferers, but I am working away in the background and have little spare time at the moment LOL!> > Regarding yourself, you need to make an appointment with your GP and get another blood test to see how your TFT's are now. Don't take any thyroid hormone for 24 hours before your blood is drawn - because for some people, this can skew the results. You need an increase in L-thyroxine and this should be increased (usually around every 3 months) until your symptoms have disappeared. It should not be increased until your results are more acceptable. Your doctor should (as said by Dr Steel on TV) be treating the patient and not the paper. Having antibodies means you have Hashimoto's disease, which means the antibodies attack your thyroid tissue, and eventually your thyroid will become destroyed and therefore, it is essential you get onto the right thyroid hormone replacement your body requires, as you need to take this for life.> > Whatever questions you have to ask, somebody here will be along to try to answer them - and if we can't, we will try to point you in the right direction where you can get some answers. > > Luv -Sheila> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.

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[Guest guest]

What is KOL?

Lilian

[Guest guest]

Key Opinion Leaders (KOL)

Luv - Sheila

What is KOL?

Lilian

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Hi

Many thanks for the papers you sent me, I certainly have a fair bit to wade through but I am really grateful for these and will keep you informed should we actually start to get anywhere and able to take matters into our own hands at last.

Luv - Sheila

But that's enough about me. Has any one looked into the new Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008. It may or may not apply in our situation but it's worth a look. Its 88 pages long and you will need to read the entire document as I may have miss interpreted some points. If you have read " Drug marketing. Key opinion leaders: independent Experts or drug representatives in disguise" http://www.bmj.com/cgi/content/full/336/7658/1402It helps you see way this could be relevant.Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008.Go to. http://www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/530162/oft931int.pdfI have listed some page numbers and paragraphs I think are relevant also some of my own comments.You will have to print them and read with the document.Page 12. Flow cartPage 13. Scope 4.3Page 14 In Scope 2-3Banned PracticesPage 18 6.1 (3) BTA Guide lines development group claim they can write the " UK Guidelines for the use of Thyroid Function tests", who appointed them UK spokesman.Page 22. (17) They claim T4 is the only treatment and can relieve all symptoms and if they don't its nothing to do with thyroid decease. The TPA-UK patients' survey show T4 does not relieve all symptoms and research into T3 T4 combinations and Armour does relieve symptoms. Prohibition on aggressive practicesPage 44. 8.2 Relates to the persecution of doctors to prevent patients form receiving alternative treatments to T4 and patients having to go outside the NHS (that we pay for) to get prescription and treatment.That your opinion keith PS. This is my first time on any forum hope it makes sense No virus found in this incoming message.

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[Guest guest]

>I am also new to the group I got banded april 17, 08 i am 4'11 " i started

at 195lbs. i am now at 145lbs. i feel great. i am from Santa Clarita Calif

> Hey everyone- this is the first chat group I have joined since being

> banded 4 months ago. My doctor is Dr. Speigel out of Houston, Tx. I

> am 5' 0 " & weighed 214 post surgery-and so far, I'm down to 187. My

> goal is to be around 130 before my year anniversary. I have struggled

> w/food, but have a daily struggle w/excercise. There are times that I

> just don't feel satisfied in the least after eating, and trying to get

> motivated to excercise has been horrible. However, I'm hoping that

> this is the good stiff kick in the you know what to get me off that

> coach & on that treadmill. Glad to be here & congrats to all!! Mel

>

[Guest guest]

As you've learned, the band is only a tool, and only works if you use

the tool. At least you're aware of the problem (ice cream) and know

that the band will never stop that. If you put chicken wire on your

screen door the flies would still get in, and that darn ice cream is

doing the same thing, going right through.

Now you can prove the doctor right, and fight a LOSING battle, where

the only loss is your fat.

Sunday, September 7, 2008, 7:44:24 PM, you wrote:

> My band dr said I was fighting a losing battle which made me

> really mad so now I am in this 100%

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband.tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana

[Guest guest]

THANKS DAN, CONGRATS ON REACHING YOUR GOAL!!!

 

I  AM ON DAY 2 OF NO SUGAR (HI, MY NAMES IS CASEY AND SUGAR IS MY DRUG OF

CHOICE) DOING GOOD, HAVE A STRONG MENTAL FOCUS TO KEEP SUGAR OUT OF MY LIFE!!!

EATING MY LEAN PROTEIN AND LOTS OF WATER!!!

HAVE A WONDERFUL DAY AND THANKS FOR READING THIS INSTEAD OF JUST HITTING DELETE.

LOVE YA ALL,

 CASEY

 

> My band dr said I was fighting a losing battle which made me

> really mad so now I am in this 100%

--

" It's OK to be a little broken, everybody's broken in this life " Jon Bon Jovi

Dan Lester, Boise, Idaho, USA www.mylapband. tk

Banded 4/27/03, Dr. Ortiz, Tijuana

Started at 355, at goal in the 210-220 range for almost 4 years

Ultimate goal of 195 Tummytuck in Boise and SmartLipo in Tijuana