Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 ...we have the leg cramp problem in my family too (me and my mom, thankfully not my kids...yet). We were also told to eat bananas....no go for my mom, who hates them. One thing that we did try that seems to be working (at least for me) is to use Morton's " Lite Salt " , which I believe is potassium chloride. Also, investigate some of the pumped up orange juice mixtures that are out there....I recall that at least one of them boasts that they provide more potassium in one glass than in a banana. Hope this is useful to you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 I get awful cramps like that and it is horrible. When I try to limit my eating and work out more, I get them much worse. I will be bruised afterward where the cramping was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 I find that anyone rubbing me does not help. I just have to walk around and keep walking. When my husband tries to help I want to kick him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 In a message dated 9/26/00 7:14:22 PM Central Daylight Time, ldrich@... writes: << He wakes up, usually around 2:15 am (he's like a clock), and he will jackknife, grab at his legs, sometimes try to bite them, especially the right leg. >> If he were my child, I'd get him on a homeopathic liver drainer since night wakings at that time along with pains like that can indicate a toxic or stressed liver. I used to get those pains alot and have had them a few times during strong chelation periods. Doing things to detox the liver always helps me. If you think potassium levels are the problem, you could have your doc check them and then give some E-lyte or other electrolyte balancing drink that's high in potassium. My guess would be that a liver cleanse would do him the most good. I also wouldn't push chelation too much until he's done some liver cleansing so you don't stress it more. There are some accupressure points you could try if he'll let you. On the feet, between the big toe and second toe, almost to the end of the foot is one. On the hands, between the pinky finger and ring finger between the knuckle bumps. Several times a day, rub them for about a minute or for as long as he'll let you. While I'm on the subject of accupressure points, doing a lymph cleanse with the lymph points daily has done wonders when my son isn't focusing as well or is getting a bit over loaded. Have the person lie down on their back with their head towards you. Then, find the small indentions just under the clavical bone on each side, gently and slowly pump it one second on and one second off. I was told to do it 5 minutes for a child and 15 for an adult. This has reversed many a bad day for us. Gaylen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 Try a glass of tonic water for leg cramps. The quinine helps. Also you may be getting low on magnesium. Are you cheleting? DMSA also removes good zinc and magnesium. Beverly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 Celia Have you read the paper I have been sending out? It goes over digestion quite abit in autism, I will forward to you if you haven't gotten it already. HAve you checked for a mass ball of congested fecus? (benzoir). KAthy [ ] Cramps Has anyone experience of cramping? My son has experienced severe cramping for 7 months and I have read this is asociated with heavy metals. He has been on all the supplements, Supa Nu thera etc, and this has not helped. It has become a nightmare, Any ideas?? Celia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2000 Report Share Posted September 26, 2000 Celia Digestive Enzymes Betain HCL Yeast Avengers Fiber Thyroid Glandulars Water (underestimated) Epsom Salt Baths TMG SeaCure Just my two cents Kathy [ ] Cramps Has anyone experience of cramping? My son has experienced severe cramping for 7 months and I have read this is asociated with heavy metals. He has been on all the supplements, Supa Nu thera etc, and this has not helped. It has become a nightmare, Any ideas?? Celia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 He used to have stomach cramps (3 yrs) until I got the diagnosis of leaky gut and toxic to gluten & casein etc, and then onthe CFGF diet plus soya & corn free, the stomach cramps stopped. Now it is Legs,both of them, plus ham strings and the groin, hip and lower back is involved . Since my last post he has had the worst attack ever and I have had to give 5 mg diazepam to stop it. I am so upset, I cannot bear to see him in so much pain. I just don't kmow what to do. Now he's feeling better from the diazepam,he's up and about feeling great 12.30 midnight. Urgh.... If I had 5mg I would be fast asleep. Celia Re: [ ] Cramps > >What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 I can barely stand when I see my son with leg cramps. He wakes up, usually around 2:15 am (he's like a clock), and he will jackknife, grab at his legs, sometimes try to bite them, especially the right leg. He will look at me with a look so pleading, I could collapse with grief. I massage his feet and toes while bending and straightening his legs, as well as deep compressions. Sometimes this helps. I also put on a video for diversion. It usually winds up in about 30 to 45 minutes. I was told he could use potassium. Give him bananas. But bananas create a whole other issue that is just as bad if not worse. Re: [ ] Cramps > > > > > >What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Do you suppose this could be related to fibromyalgia? That condition has a chronic pain whose intensity goes up and down; changing from pain to burning to tingling and back to pain again. ? Poor little fella. It must be awful for him and it's obviously awful for you too! Re: [ ] Cramps > > > > > > > > > >What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 , I know exactly how you feel. Its very traumatising. I was crying tonight because I couldnot stop the pain he had. I hate giving Diaepam, I hate giving him any drugs and its the only one he gets. But it does stop it in bout 10-15 mins. what I want to know is WHAT is causing the cramps. Part of the problem is that the doctors do not see our children with cramps. However, mine is pretty good, and I have videoed a truamatic episode which I will MAKE him watch on the next review. It won't tellme why though. I have been told that most cramps are due to an imbalance of B6, magnesium with calcium, with potassium involved. However,I have worked on this and it has not improved things. It must be related to something else and my bet is currently Lead. Have you chelated, are you chelating? If so, have you seen any improvement? Celia Re: [ ] Cramps >I can barely stand when I see my son with leg cramps. He wakes up, usually >around 2:15 am (he's like a clock), and he will jackknife, grab at his >legs, sometimes try to bite them, especially the right leg. He will look at >me with a look so pleading, I could collapse with grief. I massage his feet >and toes while bending and straightening his legs, as well as deep >compressions. Sometimes this helps. I also put on a video for diversion. >It usually winds up in about 30 to 45 minutes. > >I was told he could use potassium. Give him bananas. But bananas create a >whole other issue that is just as bad if not worse. > > > > Re: [ ] Cramps >> >> >> > >> >What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 What about calcium and magnesium. I am thinking that helps with leg cramps. kelly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Both my son and my husband did, but that was related to either soy milk or a sugar substitute I had introduced at the same time. I eliminated both and the cramping went away. I hope it resolves for you. - Carol -----Original Message-----From: Celia Forrest [mailto:C.Forrest@...]Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 5:16 PM egroupsSubject: [ ] Cramps Has anyone experience of cramping? My son has experienced severe cramping for 7 months and I have read this is asociated with heavy metals. He has been on all the supplements, Supa Nu thera etc, and this has not helped. It has become a nightmare, Any ideas?? Celia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 That's a good question. My sister has fibro. <<insert twilight zone music here>> There's that familial predisposing thing again. Anyone else with fibro in the family? Re: [ ] Cramps > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 We are not chelating, yet anyways. His test results are back, and Doctors Data has pointed at a " probable " toxic load, but we want to confirm this before trying to get the meds into our son. We have to be very careful, as our pediatrician doesn't want to leap before looking. I wish I knew what was happening too. Re: [ ] Cramps > >> > >> > >> > > >> >What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? > >> > > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Is Lite Salt like Kosher Salt. This sounds like something my son might go for. Orange juice presents a bit of an issue. Once in a blue moon fine. Too much and stomach cramps. Thanks Re: [ ] Cramps > ...we have the leg cramp problem in my family too (me and my mom, > thankfully not my kids...yet). We were also told to eat bananas....no go for > my mom, who hates them. One thing that we did try that seems to be working > (at least for me) is to use Morton's " Lite Salt " , which I believe is > potassium chloride. Also, investigate some of the pumped up orange juice > mixtures that are out there....I recall that at least one of them boasts that > they provide more potassium in one glass than in a banana. > > Hope this is useful to you.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 It's funny you mention having his potassium checked. He tends to by very high, which probably means his body is not utilizing it well, as he really doesn't ingest a great amount of potassium. And the other weird thing is that I generally massage the base of his toes, usually around the big toe (coincidently) and down that side, but this seems to help him a bit. Never knew why, just that after trying everything else, this worked. Thanks for giving me stuff to think about. Re: [ ] Cramps > In a message dated 9/26/00 7:14:22 PM Central Daylight Time, ldrich@... > writes: > > << He wakes up, usually around 2:15 am (he's like a clock), and he will > jackknife, grab at his legs, sometimes try to bite them, especially the right > leg. >> > > If he were my child, I'd get him on a homeopathic liver drainer since night > wakings at that time along with pains like that can indicate a toxic or > stressed liver. I used to get those pains alot and have had them a few times > during strong chelation periods. Doing things to detox the liver always > helps me. > > If you think potassium levels are the problem, you could have your doc check > them and then give some E-lyte or other electrolyte balancing drink that's > high in potassium. My guess would be that a liver cleanse would do him the > most good. I also wouldn't push chelation too much until he's done some > liver cleansing so you don't stress it more. > > There are some accupressure points you could try if he'll let you. On the > feet, between the big toe and second toe, almost to the end of the foot is > one. On the hands, between the pinky finger and ring finger between the > knuckle bumps. Several times a day, rub them for about a minute or for as > long as he'll let you. > > While I'm on the subject of accupressure points, doing a lymph cleanse with > the lymph points daily has done wonders when my son isn't focusing as well or > is getting a bit over loaded. Have the person lie down on their back with > their head towards you. Then, find the small indentions just under the > clavical bone on each side, gently and slowly pump it one second on and one > second off. I was told to do it 5 minutes for a child and 15 for an adult. > This has reversed many a bad day for us. > Gaylen > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Leg cramps can be caused by a magnesium deficiency. My son gets them if we let up on his Epsom salt baths or magnesium supplement (he's now taking Super-Nu-Thera, which has a high level of magnesium. Recently, when he didn't get his supplements for about a week, he became obsessed with the TV commercial for a " between the leg pillow " - guarenteed to relieve leg and back pain. He watched TV all day hoping it would come on, and raised the topic of ordering one " frequently " . Two days back on magnesium had him all fixed up. Regina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Good morning , There's an awful lot of rheumatoid arthritis in our family - which I, too have. FMS is WORSE! I'm doing better since detoxing but it's still there, a nagging reminder just not as severe. I hope to get my fillings out someday and see if it will help. Can't hurt! When the pain was really bad (and it was generally awful at night - waking me up in the middle of the night) I would take a couple Extra-Strength Tylenol at bedtime and this seemed to help. You may want to try this with your son so he can get the rest he needs. I imagine a nice Vicodin Rx would do the trick (what a great pain-reliever that is, no wonder it's addictive!), too. I'd love to know if things improve for little (my name for little boys in general). Re: [ ] Cramps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 The Morton Lite Salt is (to me at least) indistinguishable from regular table salt. We've been using it for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 Howdy, My son's episodes are waning, fortunately, but I'm not really sure why. I expect to see a burst occasionally. My sister, however, finds very little relief from anything. I have mentioned chelation to her, and the fact that she should have her fillings replaced. She has excruciating jaw pain at time that radiates up the side of her face and turns into a migraine. Then her joint pain starts. Makes you wonder, don't it? BTW, most of the escalation of her pain started within a couple of weeks of inoculations prior to starting her job as a Registered Nursing Assistant. She is still looking for the record of injected viruses so we can check on what they include. Her doctor pointed out that it was probably just coincidence, but she swears within three days of one inoculation, she got what felt like the flu. A week and a half later, she suffered a bout of fibro. Re: [ ] Cramps > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >What kind of cramps? stomach cramps or leg cramps? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2000 Report Share Posted September 27, 2000 I used to get leg cramps when I was pregnant, and standing on a cold tile floor would help. Kathy Re: [ ] Cramps >It's funny you mention having his potassium checked. He tends to by very >high, which probably means his body is not utilizing it well, as he really >doesn't ingest a great amount of potassium. > >And the other weird thing is that I generally massage the base of his toes, >usually around the big toe (coincidently) and down that side, but this seems >to help him a bit. Never knew why, just that after trying everything else, >this worked. > >Thanks for giving me stuff to think about. > > > > > Re: [ ] Cramps > > >> In a message dated 9/26/00 7:14:22 PM Central Daylight Time, >ldrich@... >> writes: >> >> << He wakes up, usually around 2:15 am (he's like a clock), and he will >> jackknife, grab at his legs, sometimes try to bite them, especially the >right >> leg. >> >> >> If he were my child, I'd get him on a homeopathic liver drainer since >night >> wakings at that time along with pains like that can indicate a toxic or >> stressed liver. I used to get those pains alot and have had them a few >times >> during strong chelation periods. Doing things to detox the liver always >> helps me. >> >> If you think potassium levels are the problem, you could have your doc >check >> them and then give some E-lyte or other electrolyte balancing drink that's >> high in potassium. My guess would be that a liver cleanse would do him >the >> most good. I also wouldn't push chelation too much until he's done some >> liver cleansing so you don't stress it more. >> >> There are some accupressure points you could try if he'll let you. On the >> feet, between the big toe and second toe, almost to the end of the foot is >> one. On the hands, between the pinky finger and ring finger between the >> knuckle bumps. Several times a day, rub them for about a minute or for as >> long as he'll let you. >> >> While I'm on the subject of accupressure points, doing a lymph cleanse >with >> the lymph points daily has done wonders when my son isn't focusing as well >or >> is getting a bit over loaded. Have the person lie down on their back with >> their head towards you. Then, find the small indentions just under the >> clavical bone on each side, gently and slowly pump it one second on and >one >> second off. I was told to do it 5 minutes for a child and 15 for an >adult. >> This has reversed many a bad day for us. >> Gaylen >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2001 Report Share Posted June 22, 2001 Our yoga teacher showed us a good position to open the hips and make cramps lessen. Lay on your back on the floor with your feet together, knees pointed out to the side and hang out for a while. Just be slow and careful getting out of it - use your hands to pull your knees back together. I found it very helpful. I seldom get cramps anymore after introducing exerise into my life. Hate to take the time to do it but feel so much better after. Annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 8, 2003 Report Share Posted February 8, 2003 nne - Yes yes yes to having cramp in my toes, if it wasnt so painful it would like some visual symphony watching the toes separate and contort. It happens with me at night, sometimes all night on and off. Its on my list for when I next see my doctor..Im way overdue with bloods, warrant of fitness etc. Am having a few other problems with my legs so Im guessing its connected someway...when I find out Ill let you know....one more thing Im quite sure its not diet related as Im pretty careful to eat a balanced diet. Jan [ ] Cramps > For the past two or three months now, I've been getting pretty bad cramps > in my toes. I can acually watch the toe next to the great toe separate into > a V shape. Usually happens in the evening when I'm relaxing, but for the > past couple of days it's been happening more frequently. > Anyone have these problems? Haven't ever seen anything posted on the > subject. Most likely it's not due to AIH or the meds, but something > completely different. Probably just coincidental. > > nne > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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