Guest guest Posted October 27, 1999 Report Share Posted October 27, 1999 I was instructed to give my son one 20-mg tablet once a day; he was 8 yrs. old, and weighed about 60 lbs. Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 1999 Report Share Posted October 27, 1999 Thanks Kate!!! Lois Kkscharste@... wrote: > From: Kkscharste@... > > I was instructed to give my son one 20-mg tablet once a day; he was 8 yrs. > old, and weighed about 60 lbs. > Kate > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 1999 Report Share Posted October 28, 1999 We give our 50lb son 25mg of zinc in the evening. Helps to calm him down. At the DAN! conference it was emphasized that it is very important to give zinc BY ITSELF. cindy.p@... Re: zinc > From: Kkscharste@... > > I was instructed to give my son one 20-mg tablet once a day; he was 8 yrs. > old, and weighed about 60 lbs. > Kate > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 1999 Report Share Posted October 28, 1999 , Thanks for the info! Why do you have to give it along? Lois s wrote: > From: " s " <cindy.p@...> > > We give our 50lb son 25mg of zinc in the evening. Helps to calm him down. > At the DAN! conference it was emphasized that it is very important to give > zinc BY ITSELF. > > > cindy.p@... > Re: zinc > > > From: Kkscharste@... > > > > I was instructed to give my son one 20-mg tablet once a day; he was 8 > yrs. > > old, and weighed about 60 lbs. > > Kate > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 1999 Report Share Posted October 28, 1999 > I am going to start JJ on zinc Lois, We supplemented with zinc capsules 30 mg/day after blood serum test showed a deficiency. Now we use individual liquid minerals, available through a physician using Kane's protocol (I think), and a taste test to determine whether zinc or copper (or both) are needed. It turned out we had overdone the zinc, so we supplemented with copper for over a year. Now we supplement both zinc and copper - balance at last, I think. Someone a while back said you could obtain zinc crystals and disolve them for a similar taste test. K. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 1999 Report Share Posted October 28, 1999 >We give our 50lb son 25mg of zinc in the evening. Helps to calm him down. >At the DAN! conference it was emphasized that it is very important to give >zinc BY ITSELF. Hi , Was this to avoid competition with other minerals? What did they say about copper? According to psychiatrist Schachter, MD: “The ratio of zinc to copper should be 7:1, up to 14:1,” What about other minerals? Dr. Pfeiffer claims that supplementing zinc might cause a manganese deficiency, and that they regularly include manganese when they give their patients zinc. But again, you must be careful. Too much manganese can be toxic. For that matter, too much zinc, copper, iron, selenium or molybdenum aren't good for you either. In the book, " Wellness Against All Odds " by Sherry A , MD, it mentions that zinc can decrease copper, iron, manganese and molybdenum levels. I've been looking at some abstracts on mercury at http://www.smile.org.au/ Zinc, copper, and selenium appear to compete with mercury. Polly Selenium in the treatment of heavy metal poisoning and chemical carcinogenesis. Whanger PD Department of Agricultural Chemistry, Oregon State University, Corvallis 97331. Selenium (Se) has been shown to counteract the toxicity of heavy metals such as cadmium, inorganic mercury, methylmercury, thallium and to a limited extent silver. Although not as effective as Se, vitamin E significantly alters methylmercury toxicity and is more effective than Se against silver toxicity. Vitamin E is very effective against lead toxicity but Se has little effect. The presumed protective effect of Se against cadmium and mercury toxicity is through the diversion in their binding from low molecular weight proteins to higher molecular weight ones. Se appears effective in counteracting the chemical carcinogens (3-methyl-4- dimethyl-aminoazobenzene, 2-acetylaminofluorene, diethylnitrosamine, aflatoxin, 7,12-dimethylben (a) anthracene, benzopyrene and 3-methylcholanthrene) used to induce skin, liver and mammary tumors, but much less effective against those (dimethylhydrazine, azoxymethane, methylazoxymethanol, bis (2- oxopropyl) nitrosamine, benzopyrene, 1 methyl-1-nitrosourea and n-methyl-n-nitro-nitrosoguanidine) used to produce tumors in the colon, lungs, trachea and pancreas in laboratory animals. In contrast, Se many even increase pancreatic carcinomas in animals treated with bis (2-oxopropyl) nitrosamine. The health implications in humans of Se and heavy metal toxicities and in cancer are discussed. PMID: 1304229, UI: 93278107 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 1999 Report Share Posted October 28, 1999 Well... I have had JJ on zinc 2 days and already I can see he is more calmer and has slept great the last 2 nights! Lois (JJsmom) The Kramer Family wrote: > From: " The Kramer Family " <nmkramer@...> > > > I am going to start JJ on zinc > > Lois, > > We supplemented with zinc capsules 30 mg/day after blood serum test showed > a deficiency. Now we use individual liquid minerals, available through a > physician using Kane's protocol (I think), and a taste test to > determine whether zinc or copper (or both) are needed. It turned out we had > overdone the zinc, so we supplemented with copper for over a year. > Now we supplement both zinc and copper - balance at last, I think. > Someone a while back said you could obtain zinc crystals and disolve them > for a similar taste test. > > K. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 1999 Report Share Posted October 29, 1999 > From: " Dale Goudey " <goudey@...> > > >We give our 50lb son 25mg of zinc in the evening. Helps to calm him down. > >At the DAN! conference it was emphasized that it is very important to give > >zinc BY ITSELF. > > Hi , > > Was this to avoid competition with other minerals? YES. Kenny has been on the following supplemental regimen for a couple of years. We give him all meds and supps in lemonade that is made from scratch, as he can't handle corn syrup. He's on the GFCF diet, the Feingold diet, and must be phenol free. (He has a PST problem). CUP1 (After sublingual allergy drops) 7.5 mg Prevacid (1/2 capsule) 3500 IU Cod liver oil on rice cakes (3/5 teaspoon) CUP2 MORNING 250 mcg B12 (1/2 tab) 125 mg Magnesium (1/2 Nature's Bounty tab) 2.5 mg Manganese (1/4 GNC tab) 50 mcg Vit E + Se (1/4 Twin Labs capsule) 500 mg Vitamin C (1/2 GNC tab) 400 IU Vitamin E` (1 Nature's Plus Capsule) 75 mcg Molybdenum (1/2 Solgar Tab) 2.5 mg Clariten (1/4 Reditab) AS NEEDED CUP3 (Noon) 500 mg Vitamin C (1/2 GNC tab) 400 mg Vitamin E (1 GNC Capsule) 18 mg Iron (1 EZ Iron Capsule) EVENING (5 PM) - 25 mg Zinc (1/2 Field of Nature tab) The sublingual allergy drops are made up by Dr. Layton in land. He's been on the drops for a year. cindy.p@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 My son did that the first time I intro'd zinc---I dropped it , and tried it several months later (at p.m., instead of am. like before) and know he's fine with it. I have had to drop several " healthy " supplements because my kids react to other ingredients in the capsule/tablet Kate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 3, 1999 Report Share Posted November 3, 1999 You have to be careful with the zinc because an excess is not good - the quantity in a multiple generally is sufficient. I'll write back with the Vitamin B-Complex info. Carolyn zinc From: lois noland <jlois@...> Hello all, I had posted about a week ago saying that I was going to try zinc on my son and wanted to know the dosage for it. I have had JJ on it about a week and I think it has helped with his sleeping BUT he has really been using a lot of jargon (moreso) in the last week. Any suggestions? I don't know if that is good or bad and if anyone can help thanks a lot! Lois (JJsmom) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2000 Report Share Posted January 8, 2000 I would like information on the conference on zinc. Please reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 : Dr. Holmes recommends not using the zinc while chelating with the DMSA ....only on the off days. Don't know if you're doing this or not. She said it pulls out the zinc too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2000 Report Share Posted August 4, 2000 Oh yeah...zinc pulls out copper, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 What do B-12, TMG choline and lecithin do to Kenny? Have you had tests that definitively establish mercury as the problem? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 << They all make him somewhat keyed up. >> Those are all the things involved in methylation. Some people already to more than enough of that and get keyed up or crazy if they take supplements to increase it. This happens with adults, too - 10-20% of them have to avoid methylating supplements. I have no real idea what is up with the zinc though. But if it bothers him, leave it out. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 , Not entirely correct. There is a lot of zinc in Citramin II. I really like this collection of minerals. It is everything our kids are usually VERY low in, and no copper and no iron. Amy ------------------ Reply Separator -------------------- Originally From: fullarmor@... Subject: Re: [ ] Zinc Date: 08/04/2000 09:06pm : Dr. Holmes recommends not using the zinc while chelating with the DMSA ....only on the off days. Don't know if you're doing this or not. She said it pulls out the zinc too. --------------------------------------------------------------------<e |- Free, Unlimited Calls Anywhere! Visit Firetalk.com - click below. 1/5479/9/_/705339/_/965437594/ --------------------------------------------------------------------|e >- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 They all make him somewhat keyed up. As for the mercury, yes, we saw Dr. Amy on July 25. We started chelating this past Sunday. On the Doctor's Data hair analysis he had 12 results which were 2 or more standard deviations from the norm. (Not to mention all the other markers she pointed out to us.) (Cary, NC)persistentC@... Re: [ ] Zinc What do B-12, TMG choline and lecithin do to Kenny?Have you had tests that definitively establish mercury as the problem?Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 where do you get this citramin ll ? if you are within range of zinc do you still supplement with this while chelating? Thanks, Kathi Mom to Colten 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 In a message dated 08/05/2000 9:34:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Mycoltjoe@... writes: << where do you get this citramin ll ? if you are within range of zinc do you still supplement with this while chelating? Thanks, Kathi Mom to Colten 3 >> Thorne Research Labs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 << It seems that we never be able to get her zinc level up enough, possibly a typical symptom for mercury toxicity. >> Yes. You have to use a LOT of zinc, in a readily soluble form (e. g. zinc gluconate powder) and she has to be getting some modest amount of manganese from some source too. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 << I did talk to the inventer of DMSA in Univ of Columbia and he assures me that zinc will be chelated out with DMSA. >> DMSA was invented in the 1950's in the Soviet Union. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 Dr. Holmes recommends not using the zinc while chelating with the DMSA ....only on the off days. I was going to ask a question about zinc for a while. My daughter has many acne and stretchmarks with her tested zinc, magnesium, and selenium deficiency. During DMSA challenge urine test, we did what our doctor told us to do, stop all supplements for two days. Later, I noticed my daughter got new strechmarks on her calves, very unusual place for strechmarks. I suspect that her zinc was depleted during her urine test. It seems that we never be able to get her zinc level up enough, possibly a typical symptom for mercury toxicity. I did talk to the inventer of DMSA in Univ of Columbia and he assures me that zinc will be chelated out with DMSA. Mercury causes zinc deficiency, but to get rid of mecury with DMSA, zinc will be even lower... mt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 << Is there a preferred (tasty) manufacture of zinc gluconate powder? >> No. It all tastes the same. Not all that much taste. Just dissolve it in juice or some such. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2000 Report Share Posted August 5, 2000 Hi, Is there a preferred (tasty) manufacture of zinc gluconate powder? Pam At 12:16 PM 8/5/00 -0400, you wrote: ><< It seems that we never be able to get her zinc >level up enough, possibly a typical symptom for mercury toxicity. >> > >Yes. You have to use a LOT of zinc, in a readily soluble form (e. g. zinc >gluconate powder) and she has to be getting some modest amount of manganese >from some source too. > >Andy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2000 Report Share Posted August 6, 2000 In a message dated 8/6/00 11:04:30 AM, pattonwh@... writes: << We use Twinlab Zinc Lozenges with zinc gluconate. The bottle says " One lozenge supplies 23 mg of elemental zinc derived from zinc free-form amino acid complex and zinc gluconate. One lozenge also supplies 30 mg of vitamin c. " It is sweetened with " pure crystalline fructose " and comes in a number of flavors. Mostly we use this one because we can get it into him, not any inherent superiority of the product. >> My girlfriend was feeding these to her son like candy with modest success. When she finally switched to an equivalent amount of zinc gluconate powder dissolved in juice with a few other vitamins his zinc related response was promptly and greatly increased. She used Life Extension Foundation brand zinc gluconate for this, though I don't think the brand really mattered - I think administering it in solution is what did the trick. The juice now contains magnesium ascorbate (from reaction of ascorbic acid and magnesium oxide powders), zinc gluconate, vitamin B-12, molybdenum from a solution, B vitamins from a liquid, and sometimes when she has her act together also TMG. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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