Guest guest Posted November 28, 2005 Report Share Posted November 28, 2005 > > > > > > Hello, I won't be getting a hair test before i start chelation > > with > > > the ALA alone so I was wondering if they can just do a blood test > > to > > > see if his copper is too high. > > > > blood tests will NOT tell you if a person is copper toxic. > > This is NOT an alternative to a hair test, if you are > > looking for whether copper toxicity is an issue -- which > > I assume you are, due to the connection to ALA in the > > question. > > > > Copper toxicity is much rarer than mercury poisoning. > > > > I'm sort of surprised you'd rather have a blood test than > > hair--- since I try to avoid blood draws -- so hair seems > > " easy " to me, but to each their own. > > > > good wishes, > > Moria > > > > > > Yes that is correct, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't going > to do any damage when I start the ALA. And yes I would rather not > put him through the blood draw, but he has to have blood drawn for > some other tests he already has scheduled so I was just going to ask > them to test for copper if that is an option. oh! that makes sense! > I am steering away > from the hair test because I want to get started now and I really > want to chelate no matter what the hair tests says. this makes sense to me, however, the think with high copper (for the few cases that HAVE high copper) is that you need to do something DIFFERENT (than ala/dmsa/dmps) in order to address high copper. Using ala/dmsa/dmps will NOT address/correct high copper. Which is why it is so very helpful to KNOW that is what is going on, in those few cases where copper toxicity is a problem. > So is it very > seldom that a child would have enough copper toxicity that would > cause a problem with chelating with ALA? Copper toxicity is pretty uncommon, but it does happen. Another option you can consider is to start chelating and get the hair test done at the same time -- which means you would get the results after you have already started. I happened to do this, myself. So I am proof that this is an option. LOL. good wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 .. > > this makes sense to me, however, the think with high copper > (for the few cases that HAVE high copper) is that you need > to do something DIFFERENT (than ala/dmsa/dmps) in order > to address high copper. Using ala/dmsa/dmps will NOT > address/correct high copper. Which is why it is so very > helpful to KNOW that is what is going on, in those few > cases where copper toxicity is a problem. > > > > So is it very > > seldom that a child would have enough copper toxicity that would > > cause a problem with chelating with ALA? > > Copper toxicity is pretty uncommon, but it does happen. > Another option you can consider is to start chelating and > get the hair test done at the same time -- which means you > would get the results after you have already started. > I happened to do this, myself. So I am proof that this > is an option. LOL. > > good wishes, > Moria > Thank you soo much and I will take your advice on that. Jen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 How would one address copper toxicity? Debi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Remove sources of exposure (drinking water, bathing water, etc), and take molybdenum and zinc. Andy recommended molybdenum at 1000-2000 mcgs/day for my son (3.8 - 32 lbs). I give zinc at weight + 20 mgs. Anne > > How would one address copper toxicity? > > Debi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 > > . > > > > this makes sense to me, however, the think with high copper > > (for the few cases that HAVE high copper) is that you need > > to do something DIFFERENT (than ala/dmsa/dmps) in order > > to address high copper. Using ala/dmsa/dmps will NOT > > address/correct high copper. Which is why it is so very > > helpful to KNOW that is what is going on, in those few > > cases where copper toxicity is a problem. > > > > > > > So is it very > > > seldom that a child would have enough copper toxicity that would > > > cause a problem with chelating with ALA? > > > > Copper toxicity is pretty uncommon, but it does happen. > > Another option you can consider is to start chelating and > > get the hair test done at the same time -- which means you > > would get the results after you have already started. > > I happened to do this, myself. So I am proof that this > > is an option. LOL. > > > > good wishes, > > Moria > > > Thank you soo much and I will take your advice on that. Jen Which test would be the cheapest and best to use If I'm just wanting to know about the copper and do I still have to use the counting rules? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 > > Remove sources of exposure (drinking water, bathing water, etc) also remove any supps with copper in them, also limit copper-rich foods (nuts, organ meats, other things I always forget) >, and > take molybdenum and zinc. in 3 or 4 doses a day, ideally. > Andy recommended molybdenum at 1000-2000 > mcgs/day for my son (3.8 - 32 lbs). I give zinc at weight + 20 mgs. > > Anne Thanks Anne! good wishes, Moira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 We didn't remove the foods (my son is heavy into the nuts) and his copper came way down. I think it depends on your child. We have massive mouth sensory issues, so if he is eating something generally healthy and tolerating (or even enjoying!) it, I struggle to take it away. Anne > > > > Remove sources of exposure (drinking water, bathing water, etc) > > also remove any supps with copper in them, > also limit copper-rich foods (nuts, organ meats, other > things I always forget) > > > >, and > > take molybdenum and zinc. > > in 3 or 4 doses a day, ideally. > > > Andy recommended molybdenum at 1000-2000 > > mcgs/day for my son (3.8 - 32 lbs). I give zinc at weight + 20 > mgs. > > > > Anne > > Thanks Anne! > > good wishes, > Moira > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Two of our three that have been tested have insanely high copper levels. What effect does that have on chelation? > > > Which test would be the cheapest and best to use If I'm just > wanting > > to know about the copper and do I still have to use the counting > > rules? > > > DDI Hair elements test, the same one used for " counting rules " . > > You would look at the copper level. > > You would not HAVE TO also do the counting rules, but could > if you want to. > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html > > Moria > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 My daughter is also testing extremely high for copper and nickel. According to the doctor's data graph, she is at 100%- so the test cannot quantitate any higher numbers. This was the result of her dmsa challenge test. According to our DAN doctor, copper is linked with hyperactivity and behavioral issues. My daughter has both... she is very energetic (sometimes) and has a penchant for hanging on anything- countertops, playground equipment, banisters on stairs, ect. As long as she is holding something and hanging there, she is a happy camper. Our doctor said that those types of behaviors are definitely congruent with copper toxicity. We are just entering chelation though, so we haven't had much results as of yet. Eager to post some successes though!! > > Two of our three that have been tested have insanely high copper > levels. What effect does that have on chelation? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 > > > > > Which test would be the cheapest and best to use If I'm just > > wanting > > > to know about the copper and do I still have to use the counting > > > rules? > > > > > > DDI Hair elements test, the same one used for " counting rules " . > > > > You would look at the copper level. > > > > You would not HAVE TO also do the counting rules, but could > > if you want to. > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html > > > > Moria > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2005 Report Share Posted November 29, 2005 Yes, that is the case in two out of the three. Moria, I'm going to go ahead and post the results for all three. Can I trouble you to take the time to look at them. Given that the oldest was tested for 's Disease (a genetic inability to chelate copper), and he's the one that wasn't high, I'd love to get your input, and anyone elses. Is there a way to have Andy look at them? Sara > > > > > > > Which test would be the cheapest and best to use If I'm just > > > wanting > > > > to know about the copper and do I still have to use the > counting > > > > rules? > > > > > > > > > DDI Hair elements test, the same one used for " counting rules " . > > > > > > You would look at the copper level. > > > > > > You would not HAVE TO also do the counting rules, but could > > > if you want to. > > > > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/HOW_TO_hair_test.html > > > > > > Moria > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 > > >> Dana thanks, I just want to be double check, Is it ok to give > the GSE at the same time as the ALA, or do I only give it to him on his > off days. Jen I gave GSE on the " on " days, and the first " off " day. I give it daily for other protocols, like anti-virals. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 > > > > Two of our three that have been tested have insanely high copper > > levels. What effect does that have on chelation? > > This is very interesting, Tyler is very very hyper all the time my family thought he had ADHD. He also likes to climb on stuff and swings all day long. When andy says to give 3 or 4 doses of zinc a day how much is one dose. Tyler weighs 44lbs and is 3. Thanks > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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