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The swollen, burning thing could be due to synovitis. I never had swelling &

burning w/my chondromalacia. Oh. Except once. Just this one time. I was

driving around looking at houses for sale, so stopping & getting out a lot,

though not going into the houses. Basically a lot of braking (it's my right

knee). My knee swelled up like a melon over the course of maybe an hour & a

half. But now I have chronic synovitis in my other knee, and it's swollen &

burns depending on its mood. I think the synovial membrane sometimes gets

caught between the bones because sometimes I don't have any trouble with it.

You can get your doc to aspirate your knee. Just the swelling is enough to

cripple you. The relief is amazing. I wish I had my own horse syringe so I

could aspirate my own knee when I need it, which is more often than I think my

doc would do it.

Ann

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Hi Group,

Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in PT for

my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the correct

spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap so

that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is this

common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

you .....Jen

[Guest guest]

Hi Ann, Is that painful ?? and what is synovitis? Once taken out does it come

back?

Thank you - Jen...... I live in NYC any good doctors that understand this

condition that you or anyone else can recommend?

New member question

Hi Group,

Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in PT for

my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the correct

spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap so

that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is this

common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

you .....Jen

[Guest guest]

I am not Ann, but I thought I would take the liberty to answer. The

website I posted a couple days ago has some very interesting new

research into the subject;

http://www.mskreport.com/articles.cfm?articleID=1404

My understanding in a simplified form----CP doesn't directly cause

pain, it is the associated synovitis that causes pain. You also

cannot measure the pain caused by synovitis from an MRI without a

baseline MRI measuring the synovium. Yes, the synovitis can come

back and usually does. With compression socks I can keep the

swelling down and the associated horrific pain. It burns at first

but my experience is that goes to a gravelly pain, then a cutting

pain I cannot stand. If it goes that far, I end up in bed on

narcotics. I have learned to manage the swelling and have stayed off

narcotics and out of bed for several years now. The doctors I trust

have told me further surgery probably won't help me except for

possibly a TTT, but even that is very iffy.

Mike

MT

>

> Hi Ann, Is that painful ?? and what is synovitis? Once taken out

does it come back?

> Thank you - Jen...... I live in NYC any good doctors that

understand this condition that you or anyone else can recommend?

>

> New member question

>

> Hi Group,

> Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in PT

for

> my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

> told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the correct

> spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap

so

> that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

> said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

>

> Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is

this

> common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

> you .....Jen

>

>

[Guest guest]

hi Mike,

Wow we are in a pretty bad situation here. what has helped other then the

compression socks? what kind do you use? What is TTT - Sorry for all the

question but everytime i search the web they say that this should go away so I'm

confused. Glad that you are able to stay off the heavy meds.I dont like taking

meds myself. When do you find that it burns more mine is usually when the knee

is bent, legs crossed and at bedtime.

i use a ACE brace without the hole for compression. Is synovitis a fluid thats

in the knee? thanks Jen

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>

> Hi Group,

> Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in PT

for

> my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

> told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the correct

> spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap

so

> that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

> said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

>

> Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is

this

> common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

> you .....Jen

>

>

[Guest guest]

Aspiration is no worse than any other needle invasion of the knee. Mostly it

just feels a little weird because of the negative pressure it creates inside the

knee. But the pain relief is worth it.

Synovitis is inflammation of the synovium, the capsule that surrounds the inside

of your knee. The synovium produces the knee's lubricating fluid and keeps it

from leaking out. When it's inflamed, it hurts like hell. Over time, with

chronic synovitis, the synovium will probably thicken and develop scar tissue,

raising the likelihood that it gets caught between the bones. Sigh....

My doc said that the " usual " " cure " is to remove the synovium, but that the

membrane that grows back in its place isn't as " good " (strong? good at

producing synovial fluid?) as the original. He says that any attempt to fix it

surgically usually ends up making it worse, and when I asked if just the

inflamed part could be cut out, he winced & said if part of it's inflamed, the

rest probably is too, and in any case, messing with it usually makes it worse.

I think he proved that with my last surgery. After my first surgery, I had pain

that was probably synovitis, but I thought it was another tear in my meniscus,

so I had the 2nd surgery, and behold! It made the synovitis worse.

I've been icing it for the last 2 days, and that really seems to help a lot. So

I guess I'll keep on doing that & keep hope alive for a while.

Ann

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Hi Ann, Is that painful ?? and what is synovitis? Once taken out does it come

back?

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I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped somewhat when

the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get some relief from a pat strap.

Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was until it started giving me severe

headaches. Cortisone shots really helped....but only for a few days. I had

received a lot of relief from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my

ankles started to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have

been using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees burn

when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a lot of physical

activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella tendon, usually by fracturing

your leg. Fluid usually results from the inflammation of the synovial sac that

surrounds your knee joint. Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use

layman's terms here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with anything, but

they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might be giving you a level of

relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I never tried a brace without the

hole. I used one with a hole, but could never get much relief with them.

Mike

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>

> Hi Group,

> Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in PT

for

> my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

> told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the correct

> spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap

so

> that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

> said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

>

> Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is

this

> common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

> you .....Jen

>

>

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Ahh yes, Ann brings up a good point. At a time, icing really helped me, but not

as much anymore.

Mike

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Hi Ann, Is that painful ?? and what is synovitis? Once taken out does it come

back?

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I've tried compression braces before, but can't stand any pressure on the

patella, and if the brace has a patella ring, it invariably slips to where

the patella ring is putting sideways pressure on my patella and hurting it

like hell. Do you put compression on the patella area, or cut out around it

somehow?

While waiting for all this insurance crap to settle out, I'm getting back to

the point where I can't sleep and am starting to have to pop narcotics again

to function and I don't want to go back there... I'll try anything to keep

the pain at bay.

Meg.

On 12/13/07, mike_bernhardt <mlbernhardt@...> wrote:

>

> I am not Ann, but I thought I would take the liberty to answer. The

> website I posted a couple days ago has some very interesting new

> research into the subject;

>

> http://www.mskreport.com/articles.cfm?articleID=1404

>

> My understanding in a simplified form----CP doesn't directly cause

> pain, it is the associated synovitis that causes pain. You also

> cannot measure the pain caused by synovitis from an MRI without a

> baseline MRI measuring the synovium. Yes, the synovitis can come

> back and usually does. With compression socks I can keep the

> swelling down and the associated horrific pain. It burns at first

> but my experience is that goes to a gravelly pain, then a cutting

> pain I cannot stand. If it goes that far, I end up in bed on

> narcotics. I have learned to manage the swelling and have stayed off

> narcotics and out of bed for several years now. The doctors I trust

> have told me further surgery probably won't help me except for

> possibly a TTT, but even that is very iffy.

>

> Mike

> MT

>

> >

> > Hi Ann, Is that painful ?? and what is synovitis? Once taken out

> does it come back?

> > Thank you - Jen...... I live in NYC any good doctors that

> understand this condition that you or anyone else can recommend?

> >

> > New member question

> >

> > Hi Group,

> > Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in PT

> for

> > my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

> > told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the correct

> > spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap

> so

> > that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

> > said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

> >

> > Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is

> this

> > common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

> > you .....Jen

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

If I get pain at night from my chondromalacia, I use one strip of tape to help

hold the kneecap more medially. It works really well.

Ann

New member question

> >

> > Hi Group,

> > Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in PT

> for

> > my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

> > told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the correct

> > spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap

> so

> > that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

> > said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

> >

> > Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is

> this

> > common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

> > you .....Jen

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Some of your concern " might " be somewhat psychological. You need to understand

activities like squatting, going up stairs, and getting out of a chair will put

the equivalant of up to 10 times your body weight of pressure in your knee

joint. The pressure of compression socks is relatively meaningless, but I don't

want to belittle your experience either. Everyone's situation is a little

different. The initial pressure might be somewhat uncomfortable, but if you

could, try it for a few hours to see if it doesn't get better.

Mike

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> >

> > Hi Group,

> > Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in PT

> for

> > my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

> > told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the correct

> > spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap

> so

> > that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

> > said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

> >

> > Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is

> this

> > common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

> > you .....Jen

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

through----I'll try again;

I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get some

relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles started

to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have been

using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a lot

of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee joint.

Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might be

giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

could never get much relief with them.

Mike

MT

> >

> > Hi Ann, Is that painful ?? and what is synovitis? Once taken out

> does it come back?

> > Thank you - Jen...... I live in NYC any good doctors that

> understand this condition that you or anyone else can recommend?

> >

> > New member question

> >

> > Hi Group,

> > Perhaps you guys can answer a question for me. I'm currently in

PT

> for

> > my knees for the 2nd time. I was talking with my PT today and she

> > told me about a procedure called Pik I'm sure thats not the

correct

> > spelling. She explained it to me as poking a hole in the knee cap

> so

> > that new cartilage would grow. Does anyone have any idea? Like i

> > said she called it Pik (sp) thank you

> >

> > Also, does anyone else have a burning sensation in their knee is

> this

> > common with chondro? knee always seems to be swollen also. Thank

> > you .....Jen

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hey Mike.

You may know more than I do, but my understanding of a TTT is not that they

fracture the leg (who would volunteer for that?), but that they cut off part (or

all of) the protuberance below the kneecap that is part of the tibia, called the

tibial tuberosity, and move it over. Because the patellar tendon attaches to

the tibial tuberosity, this changes the tendon's angle as it goes across the

patella, and consequently the patella angle and position, moving it laterally

and hopefully stopping it from rubbing on the femur, where its previous bad

position caused the chondromalacia lesion. Because the bone has to graft back

to itself, it takes some time to heal from a TTT, so is good to go into the

surgery with well built-up leg muscles, esp. the quads, if your knee can handle

quad exercise.

What's the Jobst?

Ann

Re: New member question

Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

through----I'll try again;

I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get some

relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles started

to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have been

using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a lot

of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee joint.

Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might be

giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

could never get much relief with them.

Mike

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You are correct. Technically it is more of a cut in the bone than a fracture.

Don or Mark could certainly give you the complete low down. Jobst is the name

brand of the compression stocking. I wear thigh-high, moderate compression;

http://www.jobst-usa.com/

I never go without them when I am out of bed. If I am up for a couple hours in

the morning without them, my knees start to hurt very bad.

Mike

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Re: New member question

Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

through----I'll try again;

I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get some

relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles started

to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have been

using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a lot

of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee joint.

Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might be

giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

could never get much relief with them.

Mike

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So how the stockings work is they keep swelling down? Or do they somehow

magically keep your kneecap more medial?

Ann

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Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

through----I'll try again;

I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get some

relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles started

to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have been

using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a lot

of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee joint.

Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might be

giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

could never get much relief with them.

Mike

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ly, I really don't care how they keep the pain down.....but now that you

mentioned it, there is not near as much swelling. My kneecaps don't need to be

kept more medial, they track almost perfectly.

Mike

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Re: New member question

Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

through----I'll try again;

I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get some

relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles started

to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have been

using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a lot

of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee joint.

Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might be

giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

could never get much relief with them.

Mike

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Mike, i tried going on the site but i dont see the product....Can you direct me

on how to purchase them. I dont see a picture of them, do they just wrap

around your knees or is it hoseriy (sp) thank you ...Jen

Re: New member question

Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

through----I' ll try again;

I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get some

relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles started

to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have been

using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a lot

of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee joint.

Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might be

giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

could never get much relief with them.

Mike

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I apologize. Most home medical supply stores carry Jobst socks. That might be

the best place to get your first pair to try in order to get the right size. I

use this site now because it is cheaper than our local stores. You can also get

a feel for what is available;

http://www.continentostomystore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY & Store_Cod\

e=COS & Category_Code=SSJOBSTM

Jobst isn't even the only brand. The other brands might even be as good or

better. The way I remember I got on to this idea was after my last surgery. I

was required by my doctor to wear TED support hose for a couple weeks after

surgery;

http://www.continentostomystore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD & Product_C\

ode=KEN4297-4305 & Category_Code=SSTEDT

I got through the surgery fabulously, but right after I quit using the TEDS, I

started going rapidly downhill again. My doctor suggested I try wearing the

TEDS again, and at that that point my knees started getting rapidly better

again. I have been on some type of knee compression for almost three years now.

My knees always hurt, but the pain is generally very tolerable. If your doctor

prescribes them, your insurance might pay for them.

Mike

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Re: New member question

Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

through----I' ll try again;

I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get some

relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles started

to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have been

using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a lot

of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee joint.

Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might be

giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

could never get much relief with them.

Mike

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>

> Mike, i tried going on the site but i dont see the product....Can

you direct me on how to purchase them. I dont see a picture of

them, do they just wrap around your knees or is it hoseriy (sp)

thank you ...Jen

I apologize. They are hosiery. Most home medical supply stores

carry Jobst socks. That might be the best place to get your first

pair to try in order to get the right size. I use this site now

because it is cheaper than our local stores. You can also get a feel

for what is available. The nice thing for women is the fact women

have a broader choice, especially in fashionable apparel;

http://www.continentostomystore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

Screen=CTGY & Store_Code=COS & Category_Code=SSJOBSTM

Jobst isn't even the only brand. The other brands might even be as

good or better. The way I remember I got on to this idea was after

my last surgery. I was required by my doctor to wear TED support

hose for a couple weeks after surgery;

http://www.continentostomystore.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?

Screen=PROD & Product_Code=KEN4297-4305 & Category_Code=SSTEDT

I got through the surgery fabulously, but right after I quit using

the TEDS, I started going rapidly downhill again. My doctor

suggested I try wearing the TEDS again, and at that point my knees

started getting rapidly better. I have been on some type of knee

compression for almost three years now. My knees always hurt, but

the pain is generally very tolerable. If your doctor prescribes

them, your insurance might pay for them. My doctors say support

stockings are a good idea anyway for circulation, especially as we

get older.

Mike

MT

>

>

> Re: New member question

>

> Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

> through----I' ll try again;

>

> I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

> somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get

some

> relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

> until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

> helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

> from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles

started

> to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have

been

> using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

> burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a

lot

> of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

> tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

> the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee

joint.

> Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

> here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

> cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

> anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might

be

> giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

> never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

> could never get much relief with them.

>

> Mike

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My link didn't work very well, but just go to their site for stockings/socks.

There is an assortment of Jobst and TED stockings. If you have anymore

questions, I would be more than willing to help.

Mike

MT

Re: New member question

>

> Here is a response of mine from yesterday that didn't seem to get

> through----I' ll try again;

>

> I thought a lateral release and anterior interval release helped

> somewhat when the pain had reached the worst. I did seem to get

some

> relief from a pat strap. Vioxx seemed to really help.....that was

> until it started giving me severe headaches. Cortisone shots really

> helped....but only for a few days. I had received a lot of relief

> from Tubigrips (a brand of compression tubes) until my ankles

started

> to swell, so I tried thigh-high Jobst compression socks and have

been

> using them with reasonably good luck for over a year now. My knees

> burn when yours do, but usually burn the most after periods of a

lot

> of physical activity. A TTT is a repositioning of the patella

> tendon, usually by fracturing your leg. Fluid usually results from

> the inflammation of the synovial sac that surrounds your knee

joint.

> Please understand, as a layman, I am trying to use layman's terms

> here. I always recommend people at least try Jobst, it can be a

> cheap and easy fix. I simply buy black ones and wear them with

> anything, but they come in different colors. Your ACE brace might

be

> giving you a level of relief similiar to what I get with Jobst. I

> never tried a brace without the hole. I used one with a hole, but

> could never get much relief with them.

>

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Dear Dana,

Where are you located? You don't necessarily have to attend a workshop, but

many people choose both to attend a workshop and work with a trained

professional. If you work with a local professional without taking a

course, they will probably be able to give you certain exercises to do at

home and depending on their time with you give you some explanation in

regards to reflexes and the reason for the exercises you have. However, you

will not get the depth and understanding of reflexes that you would gain

from taking a course. A course will provide you a much deeper understanding

behind the challenges your child is faced with and the science behind

reflexes and why this work is so critical. A greater understanding of this

work will also help you to be a much more effective team with the

professional you are working with. Taking a course will help you to do much

more at home for your child with or without working with a professional. I

would highly recommend a course if you can make it.

new member question

hi there~

i recently joined this list and am fascinated about learning more about this

method to help

my 5 year old son who has asd.

my question is this: can you find local therapists to train you how to do

this with your child?

or do you need to attend a workshop?

many thanks~

dana

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[Guest guest]

Hi ~

Thanks for your response.

I am in the San Francisco Bay area and from what I can figure out, the next

course /

workshop will be in Canada. This is not feasible at this point.

Are there books/ on line classes available? And a list of professionals in the

area? I can't

seem to find this info on the website.

Thanks~

Dana

>

> Dear Dana,

>

> Where are you located? You don't necessarily have to attend a workshop, but

> many people choose both to attend a workshop and work with a trained

> professional. If you work with a local professional without taking a

> course, they will probably be able to give you certain exercises to do at

> home and depending on their time with you give you some explanation in

> regards to reflexes and the reason for the exercises you have. However, you

> will not get the depth and understanding of reflexes that you would gain

> from taking a course. A course will provide you a much deeper understanding

> behind the challenges your child is faced with and the science behind

> reflexes and why this work is so critical. A greater understanding of this

> work will also help you to be a much more effective team with the

> professional you are working with. Taking a course will help you to do much

> more at home for your child with or without working with a professional. I

> would highly recommend a course if you can make it.

>

>

>

> new member question

>

> hi there~

>

> i recently joined this list and am fascinated about learning more about this

> method to help

> my 5 year old son who has asd.

>

> my question is this: can you find local therapists to train you how to do

> this with your child?

> or do you need to attend a workshop?

>

> many thanks~

>

> dana

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, removing pets is key in getting rid of these demons. I

had to find my dog a new home after months in a kennel just to make sure

she was mite free.

>

> Does anyone have any suggestions that might help for someone who has

pet birds and getting rid of them is not an option?

>

>

> Kathy

>

[Guest guest]

That is impossible. We have too many and I wouldn't trust anyone else to

take care of them as they are show birds. I think the mites were brought in

by mice as we treat the birds after shows to be on the safe side but this

winter the complex had issues with some mice. So far I am the only one in

the house out of six people feeling these things. The birds are being

treated with ivermectin drops and they seem to be doing well....I on the

other hand am going bonkers although not at night so far.....mostly early

evening.

Kathy

Re: New member question

>

> Unfortunately, removing pets is key in getting rid of these demons. I

> had to find my dog a new home after months in a kennel just to make sure

> she was mite free.

>

>

>

>>

>> Does anyone have any suggestions that might help for someone who has

> pet birds and getting rid of them is not an option?

>>

>>

>> Kathy

>>

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Dilute listerine, the original, in a spray bottle and mist. I had a bird at one time, and used it often. works over time. Go to avianweb.com. Sib you out there?

New member question

Does anyone have any suggestions that might help for someone who has pet birds and getting rid of them is not an option?

Kathy

[Guest guest]

I actually have been using listerine to spray the birds for many years. I learned about that when I first started showing but for other reasons. It actually reduces the dust and makes the feathers "clean" looking. We usually mix a small amount of witch hazel in it too....not sure if that helps or not though. Lately I have increased the number of sprays each day but not sure how many times we should be......will check out that website....thanx.. Problem is...we have about 50 birds. We also mix diatomaceous earth in the food and with the paper pellets we use in the cages.

Kathy

New member question

Does anyone have any suggestions that might help for someone who has pet birds and getting rid of them is not an option?

Kathy