Guest guest Posted October 12, 1999 Report Share Posted October 12, 1999 > >My frustration is high. We are dealing with the INS, and unfortuntately >for us, a pen-pusher will decide if we are going to be granted a waiver for >vaccination. We love living in the US but it will break my heart to >vaccinate my children and compound their health issues. While the INS >allows for a waiver, it has not been tried since the new laws were brought >into affect. We are applying for the exemption based on religious, moral >and health reasons - none of these may be upheld by the INS. I am in a similar position as this person with regard to the INS. I was already able to obtain a medical exemption from an INS approved doctor, but was clearly told by this doctor that the INS employee adjudicating my case can over ride her medical decision to exempt me from vaccination. Is there an American citizen on this list who knows how an INS employee can have more power than a doctor when it comes to judging my health? What are those INS medicals (that cost over $100.) for anyway if this is the case? What does the constituion say about this? My INS interview is approaching and I need to have clear organized arguments for this super powered employee if he decides I should be injected with poisons against my will and against a doctor's better judgment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 1999 Report Share Posted October 12, 1999 What is the INS and what state is this in? Why not contact Beth Clay, the asst. to Congressman Dan Burton. She may have some ideas. Let me know. If nothing else it wouldn't hurt for them to now th power of the INS. (whatever it stands for.) lisa Hoffman wrote: > > From: " Hoffman " <cmhoffman@...> > > > > >My frustration is high. We are dealing with the INS, and unfortuntately > >for us, a pen-pusher will decide if we are going to be granted a waiver for > >vaccination. We love living in the US but it will break my heart to > >vaccinate my children and compound their health issues. While the INS > >allows for a waiver, it has not been tried since the new laws were brought > >into affect. We are applying for the exemption based on religious, moral > >and health reasons - none of these may be upheld by the INS. > > I am in a similar position as this person with regard to the INS. I was > already able to obtain a medical exemption from an INS approved doctor, but > was clearly told by this doctor that the INS employee adjudicating my case > can over ride her medical decision to exempt me from vaccination. Is there > an American citizen on this list who knows how an INS employee can have more > power than a doctor when it comes to judging my health? What are those INS > medicals (that cost over $100.) for anyway if this is the case? What does > the constituion say about this? My INS interview is approaching and I need > to have clear organized arguments for this super powered employee if he > decides I should be injected with poisons against my will and against a > doctor's better judgment. > > > -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 1999 Report Share Posted October 13, 1999 At the risk of sounding stupid, I am guessing that INS is Immigration and Naturalization Services. I know of the Immigration exemption, but do not know about the laws surrounding it's implimentation. How about contacting a support organization that is local to you, to see if they can lend a hand? Also, how about contacting an attorney or group who specializes in assisting with obtaining an exemption. I don't have any toll free numbers, but maybe someone else on the list will. I have the following listed in the US: The Rutherford Institute PO Box 7482, Charlottesville, VA 22906 804-978 3888 Advocates of Religious Freedom. Provide legal assistance regarding religious liberty. Special Human Rights Services-Grace Girdwain 8320 South Nashville Avenue Burbank, IL 60459-2333 708 599 4679 Specialist on vaccine exemptions and immunization requirements when traveling overseas. Immunization Hotline Filenbaum, Attorney At Law 2 Executive Blvd. #201-P Suffern, NY 100901 914 357 0020 Specialize in assisting parents to secure for their children a religious exemption from 'mandatory' shots. They also represent vaccine-damaged families seeking legal recourse through the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. The following is a copy of what I have on the Immunization waiver for Immigration. I don't know if it is the most current one. I hope this will be of some assistance. Robin IN THIS STATUTE DIRECTLY FROM THE INS, YOU HAVE AS A POTENTIAL IMMIGRANT THE RIGHT TO NOT VACCINATE DUE TO MORAL CONVICTIONS. source: source:http://www.ins.usdoj.gov/cgi-bin/folioisa.dll/plaw.nfo/query=immuni!7A\ ation/doc/{@16023}/words=4? Pub. L. 104-208 Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 TITLE III-INSPECTION, APPREHENSION, DETENTION, ADJUDICATION, AND REMOVAL OF INADMISSIBLE AND DEPORTABLE ALIENS SEC. 341. PROOF OF VACCINATION REQUIREMENT FOR IMMIGRANTS. " (ii) who seeks admission as an immigrant, or who seeks adjustment of status to the status of an alien lawfully admitted for permanent residence, and who has failed to present documentation of having received vaccination against vaccine-preventable diseases, which shall include at least the following diseases: mumps, measles, rubella, polio, tetanus and diphtheria toxoids, pertussis, influenza type B and hepatitis B, and any other vaccinations against vaccine-preventable diseases recommended by the Advisory Committee for Immunization Practices, " . ( WAIVER.-Section 212(g) (8 U.S.C. 1182(g)) is amended by striking " , or " at the end of paragraph (1) and all that follows and inserting a semicolon and the following: " in accordance with such terms, conditions, and controls, if any, including the giving of bond, as the Attorney General, in the discretion of the Attorney General after consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, may by regulation prescribe; " (2) subsection (a)(1)(A)(ii) in the case of any alien- " (A) who receives vaccination against the vaccine-preventable disease or diseases for which the alien has failed to present documentation of previous vaccination, " ( for whom a civil surgeon, medical officer, or panel physician (as those terms are defined by section 34.2 of title 42 of the Code of Federal Regulations) certifies, according to such regulations as the Secretary of Health and Human Services may prescribe, that such vaccination would not be medically appropriate, or " © under such circumstances as the Attorney General provides by regulation, with respect to whom the requirement of such a vaccination would be contrary to the alien's religious beliefs or moral convictions; or " (3) subsection (a)(1)(A)(iii) in the case of any alien, in accordance with such terms, conditions, and controls, if any, including the giving of bond, as the Attorney General, in the discretion of the Attorney General after consultation with the Secretary of Health and Human Services, may by regulation prescribe. " . © EFFECTIVE DATE.-The amendments made by this section shall apply with respect to applications for immigrant visas or for adjustment of status filed after September 30, 1996. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 1999 Report Share Posted October 13, 1999 What religion are you? aussiemac@... wrote: > > From: aussiemac@... > > The INS is the Immigration and Naturalization Service. We have a lawyer working on our behalf therefore we are not able to contact the Rutherford Institute. We have a 50% chance of not getting a Green Card even though we fully contribute financially and socially to our community. The only strike against us is the Vaccination Exemption. The INS does allow for a waiver, but that does not mean the pen-pusher has to grant it. I find many doctors do not understand where we are coming from, let alone a pen-pusher. Unfortunately, this decision will depend on how the person is feeling on the day (God help us if s/he has had a fight with the spouse) and what their religious affiliation is. Some religious groups will already believe that we are going to hell because we aren't part of their organization, so why should they give us an exemption. I am so disgusted that such an organisation can base a decision such as this on personal feelings. Objectivity does not even come into this. > The INS doctor was told that if we think we can read something off the internet and decide not to vaccinate our kids we have something else coming. Do you see what we are dealing with. Our lawyer has been told " Good Luck " by the INS. What hope have we got? They are accepting thousands of dollars from us in fees, and will not make a decision on the vaccination waiver until they have collected all their money. It is almost like throwing money to the wind. We may as well gamble on a Green Card in Vegas!! Local organizations will not help as they can only direct us to the Lawyers already mentioned. The 1996 laws are only just beginning to get tested, unfortunately we are the guinea pigs. > > > -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 27, 2011 Report Share Posted July 27, 2011 Can anybody tell me why Dr. R don't take ins? Because my ins covers the gastic- bypass JoAnn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 25, 2011 Report Share Posted August 25, 2011 This is not the run of the mill Gastric Bypass. This one is revisable and reversible, that makes it better than the rest. But, the not covered by insurance is normally because they still do not consider this MGB to be a permanent surgery. Though people are healthier and by far more informed when they have the MGB the insurance companies still are not covering it. (FOOLS) Think about it this way. Insurance or not... If you had a heart problem you would get it fixed one way or the other, right? Well this surgery is the same as having a heart issue, we have food issues and need it to be corrected so we can live longer happier lives. It is well worth the money spent to have it done. I am over 4 years out and still feel great. Have only gained back the normal 10-20% that is talked about in the manual and I eat whatever I want, no sickness, no problems! No more type II diabetes, HBP, acid reflux, high cholesterol, low potassium, sleep apnea, swelling of feet, legs and ankles, less problems with my asthma. My weight stays where it should be and I only have to watch when I get close to the 20% to keep it under that, the rest of the time my life is normal and healthy. I rollerblade, ride bicycle, climb stairs and do anything normal people do now. That was an almost impossible thing before surgery. Good luck and I hope you will join the rest of us with an MGB, regardless of what your insurance says. Joyce Bay City, MI 5/18/07 > > Can anybody tell me why Dr. R don't take ins? Because my ins covers the gastic- bypass > > JoAnn > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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