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My grandfather's brother died from whooping cough in the early 1900s. He was 8

months old. Their family was poor, many children, lived on a farm... I'm sure

the living conditions were pretty bad (no running water, sanitation, poor diet,

etc.) They all had smallpox, too. No one died from it. They also had typhoid.

Kay

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This may sound odd, but it just occurred to me...has ANYONE on this list ever

known ANYONE who died or was seriously injured after catching a disease for

which they were NOT previously vaccinated (in other words, a disease for which

there is a vaccination available, but it was not received)? And if so, was the

person already immuno-suppressed or of advanced age?

Just curious...

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Smallpox and typhoid wow, nasty. I actually thought they were

killers so interesting to hear they lived through that Kay. Pretty

good going!

My mums had pneumonia twice, her cousin got tb in the 40s and was

very sick but recovered, I've had wc, in an ideal world they

wouldn't be here but i dont think vax is the answer.

Along similar thread?, i always remember our history teacher at high

school telling us about mass cholorea deaths to which her end point

was, when the water system improved, contamination/sewage

network/sanitation networks became maintained and invested

in...followed through in healthcare after the war, the deaths

stopped. It made sense to me then and still does now. I tend to

think along now comparitvely with poorer nations etc they need this,

education, and dietry improvements, not the vaccines as health

giving improvements...a bit like the give them a net not a pile of

fish line.

A

> My grandfather's brother died from whooping cough in the early

1900s. He was 8 months old. Their family was poor, many children,

lived on a farm... I'm sure the living conditions were pretty bad

(no running water, sanitation, poor diet, etc.) They all had

smallpox, too. No one died from it. They also had typhoid.

>

> Kay

> ******************

>

> This may sound odd, but it just occurred to me...has ANYONE on

this list ever known ANYONE who died or was seriously injured after

catching a disease for which they were NOT previously vaccinated (in

other words, a disease for which there is a vaccination available,

but it was not received)? And if so, was the person already immuno-

suppressed or of advanced age?

>

> Just curious...

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> my uncle died of encephalitis after having measles when he was 11 this was

> in the 1930's in canada.

>

Just curious, do you know if he was treated with asprin?

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I grew up in Africa. Was vaccinated with every vaccine possible (as were my

siblings) that included smallpox vax. We (kids) got all the diseases, except

Rubella, Tetanus, Polio and Smallpox.

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This may sound odd, but it just occurred to me...has ANYONE on this list ever

known ANYONE who died or was seriously injured after catching a disease for

which they were NOT previously vaccinated (in other words, a disease for which

there is a vaccination available, but it was not received)? And if so, was the

person already immuno-suppressed or of advanced age?

Just curious...

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Just do what you can. You'll know soon enough when you are over exerting yourself. Pop in your favorite easy tape, and if it feels too hard, just start marching in place for certain sections. If it feels too easy, you know you can do a more challenging tape the next time.

Just make sure to always do a warm up and cool down.Cathrine <dr_jahns@...> wrote:

Anybody know of a good way to start doing cardio without over exerting? I haven't done cardio in 2 months and I wanna start again but I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to just jump right in again.

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Just do what you can. You'll know soon enough when you are over exerting yourself. Pop in your favorite easy tape, and if it feels too hard, just start marching in place for certain sections. If it feels too easy, you know you can do a more challenging tape the next time.

Just make sure to always do a warm up and cool down.Cathrine <dr_jahns@...> wrote:

Anybody know of a good way to start doing cardio without over exerting? I haven't done cardio in 2 months and I wanna start again but I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to just jump right in again.

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Some of the cardio dance tapes might be good, like

Crunches Cardio Salsa, or if you have a step some of

the Body Shaping ones are more moderate cardio wise

and the choreography isn't as complicated as some

others.

Have fun!

>

> Cathrine <dr_jahns@...> wrote:

>

> Anybody know of a good way to start doing cardio

> without over

> exerting? I haven't done cardio in 2 months and I

> wanna start again

> but I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to just

> jump right in

> again.

>

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Some of the cardio dance tapes might be good, like

Crunches Cardio Salsa, or if you have a step some of

the Body Shaping ones are more moderate cardio wise

and the choreography isn't as complicated as some

others.

Have fun!

>

> Cathrine <dr_jahns@...> wrote:

>

> Anybody know of a good way to start doing cardio

> without over

> exerting? I haven't done cardio in 2 months and I

> wanna start again

> but I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to just

> jump right in

> again.

>

>

>

>

>

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>Cathrine <dr_jahns@...> wrote:

>Anybody know of a good way to start doing cardio without over

>exerting? I haven't done cardio in 2 months and I wanna start again

>but I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to just jump right in

>again.

i feel like im in the same boat cathrine!

it hasnt been 2 months for me but i hardly worked out at all in

december...ugh! (last december was the same way). anyway, i know that

im going to have to start out slow and easy, not only with the cardio but

with my strength training workouts as well. i plan to just do 30-40 min

workouts as often as possible, starting with the easiest workout in my

collection. that is a leslie sansone 3 mile walk which i did last week

and while i thought it was easy, i actually had a small amount of muscle

soreness in my legs the next day! i was kind of shocked. anyway, my next

workout will be more easy floor aerobics -- something like kathy smiths

march to fitness and prevention's walk your way slim (following the level 2

mods with a few level 1 mods -- i dont think that i will ever be able to do

the level 3 mods in this workout!), charlene pricketts stand up and be some

body, basic taebo and some easy step aerobic workouts like cathe's basic

step and one of kathy smiths. when i feel up to it, i will mix in some

strength training and abs workouts again starting with the easiest ones in

my collection and building my endurance back up. i want to do my gilad

rotation but feel that i need to get re-conditioned before comitting to a 7

day workout schedule! LOL.

anyway, just do what you can to get started... rest as needed but keep

trying to do some cardio each day until you feel stronger.

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>Cathrine <dr_jahns@...> wrote:

>Anybody know of a good way to start doing cardio without over

>exerting? I haven't done cardio in 2 months and I wanna start again

>but I'm not sure if it would be a good idea to just jump right in

>again.

i feel like im in the same boat cathrine!

it hasnt been 2 months for me but i hardly worked out at all in

december...ugh! (last december was the same way). anyway, i know that

im going to have to start out slow and easy, not only with the cardio but

with my strength training workouts as well. i plan to just do 30-40 min

workouts as often as possible, starting with the easiest workout in my

collection. that is a leslie sansone 3 mile walk which i did last week

and while i thought it was easy, i actually had a small amount of muscle

soreness in my legs the next day! i was kind of shocked. anyway, my next

workout will be more easy floor aerobics -- something like kathy smiths

march to fitness and prevention's walk your way slim (following the level 2

mods with a few level 1 mods -- i dont think that i will ever be able to do

the level 3 mods in this workout!), charlene pricketts stand up and be some

body, basic taebo and some easy step aerobic workouts like cathe's basic

step and one of kathy smiths. when i feel up to it, i will mix in some

strength training and abs workouts again starting with the easiest ones in

my collection and building my endurance back up. i want to do my gilad

rotation but feel that i need to get re-conditioned before comitting to a 7

day workout schedule! LOL.

anyway, just do what you can to get started... rest as needed but keep

trying to do some cardio each day until you feel stronger.

*carolyn.

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My Brezzy was not quick to want to eat anything that I did not place into her

mouth so I decided to leave it to her to explore and did so by leaving small

portions of foods that would not " go bad " sitting until she either found and

tried them out or looked them over, often tasted a little and left alone. I

left green beans and carrots on a small bowl in the middle of her play table,

grapes and cheese on a plate in the living room, I just left a few at a time and

kept that same menu for a while to see what she really seemed to like. If

she really seemed to hate something it was easy to tell...and if she like it;

that would be eaten all up and I could add that food to her regular menu. If

you have pets of course it is tricky but a clear bowl sitting over the top will

also allow a little OT' " lift and snack " haha. Good luck, GW

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My Brezzy was not quick to want to eat anything that I did not place into her

mouth so I decided to leave it to her to explore and did so by leaving small

portions of foods that would not " go bad " sitting until she either found and

tried them out or looked them over, often tasted a little and left alone. I

left green beans and carrots on a small bowl in the middle of her play table,

grapes and cheese on a plate in the living room, I just left a few at a time and

kept that same menu for a while to see what she really seemed to like. If

she really seemed to hate something it was easy to tell...and if she like it;

that would be eaten all up and I could add that food to her regular menu. If

you have pets of course it is tricky but a clear bowl sitting over the top will

also allow a little OT' " lift and snack " haha. Good luck, GW

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> My questions is when did your kids start to self feed?

> Is there anything special you did to help you child.?

As soon as he could sit up in a high chair with minimal support we started to

teach him to feed himself. Around eight months or so. Your OT should have a

lot of tricks. If I can remember back that far, there are at least two parts

to this. The first is using the pointer finger and thumb to grasp foods and

the second is using a fork and spoon.

While sitting in the high chair you can roll up receiving blanks and put them

behind your sons shoulders and upper arms. That will help move his arms

forward and give him some support. It's hard to explain, but you want to

encourage the arms and hands to be in front of him. Next, put something your

child

likes right on the tray of the high chair (skip the dish). Marshmallow fluff,

jello, yogurt or pudding works well. Put your child's hand in the goo and then

in his mouth. After a couple of tries hopefully he'll get the point. This

is a good exercise for self feeding and is a great sensory exercise. After a

week or so of this, you might want to try cheerios, crackers or bits of cheese.

I remember making a game out of poking pits of food with a fork. For spoon

feeding, of course gooey sweet stuff worked well.

Kathy, Liam's Mom (6)

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In a message dated 1/8/2005 2:28:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,

dominick3997@... writes:

> My questions is when did your kids start to self feed?

> Is there anything special you did to help you child.?

As soon as he could sit up in a high chair with minimal support we started to

teach him to feed himself. Around eight months or so. Your OT should have a

lot of tricks. If I can remember back that far, there are at least two parts

to this. The first is using the pointer finger and thumb to grasp foods and

the second is using a fork and spoon.

While sitting in the high chair you can roll up receiving blanks and put them

behind your sons shoulders and upper arms. That will help move his arms

forward and give him some support. It's hard to explain, but you want to

encourage the arms and hands to be in front of him. Next, put something your

child

likes right on the tray of the high chair (skip the dish). Marshmallow fluff,

jello, yogurt or pudding works well. Put your child's hand in the goo and then

in his mouth. After a couple of tries hopefully he'll get the point. This

is a good exercise for self feeding and is a great sensory exercise. After a

week or so of this, you might want to try cheerios, crackers or bits of cheese.

I remember making a game out of poking pits of food with a fork. For spoon

feeding, of course gooey sweet stuff worked well.

Kathy, Liam's Mom (6)

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Great ideas, Kathy! You want to also make sure his feet are " grounded " ..

that he has proper support under his feet.

When you are ready for spoon/fork feeding, I always recommend Sassy brand

utensils. They have a great arched handle that is perfect for toddler hands.

The bowls of the spoons have lots of little holes that keep the food on the

spoon longer.

Sue mom to Kate 15 and Karrie 8 w/ds and other issues

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Great ideas, Kathy! You want to also make sure his feet are " grounded " ..

that he has proper support under his feet.

When you are ready for spoon/fork feeding, I always recommend Sassy brand

utensils. They have a great arched handle that is perfect for toddler hands.

The bowls of the spoons have lots of little holes that keep the food on the

spoon longer.

Sue mom to Kate 15 and Karrie 8 w/ds and other issues

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I have one brown and one blue eye from birth. The doctors told my parents

that if they didn't change by the time I was 6 months old, that they would

be like that forever. Thirty-six years later, they are still solid colors,

one blue (although darker now) and one brown.

Kim

quick question

My daughter is just about to be 10 months old and today i noticed for

the first time that one of her eyes is very blue- the other is green

with brown. I have greenish blue eyes- my husband has brown... my

question is, how old were most of you when your eyes stayed that way.

Is it possible that her eyes are just changing at different rates?

thanks so much, liisa

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Hey Tracey...love the name by the way! I know when Lexi had her MRI

they wouldn't let us see either. There are probably many reasons,

one being privacy for other patient's images that could be back

there. Since the new HEPPA laws took effect, there are alot more

privacy rules in place than ever before. Even though you may not

even know what you are really looking at on the images, there are

liability issues as well. Who knows what their reasons were. REst

assured, once the report is in you will get all the info. I am

always told if there were anything of major importance at the time

of testing, they would notify you asap.

Best of Luck,

Tracey

> Hi everyone

> le had her 3D Ct of her spine yesterday. When

> it was complete (I was with her, she was sedated), I

> asked if I could have a quick look - more curiosity

> than anything, I probably wouldn't have understood

> what I was seeing. But the radiologist stated he

> 'wasn't allowed to let me see' I said why? I'm not

> going to be able to interpret, I just was curious as

> to how it looked. He said that they weren't allowed

> to let anyone back there to view.

> Anyone else encounter this before? Seems a little

> bizarre to me. I'll see them at her appointment in

> September - but just wondered if anyone else had met

> with a 'barring' before too?

>

> Tracey & le

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Tracey-

I was told the same thing because the techs who do the test, don't actually know how to read what they're looking at. Not sure which situation is scarier, but what I was told at any rate. Hope things go well for you during your visit in Sept.

JenTracey <tctheaussie@...> wrote:

Hi everyonele had her 3D Ct of her spine yesterday. Whenit was complete (I was with her, she was sedated), Iasked if I could have a quick look - more curiositythan anything, I probably wouldn't have understoodwhat I was seeing. But the radiologist stated he'wasn't allowed to let me see' I said why? I'm notgoing to be able to interpret, I just was curious asto how it looked. He said that they weren't allowedto let anyone back there to view.Anyone else encounter this before? Seems a littlebizarre to me. I'll see them at her appointment inSeptember - but just wondered if anyone else had metwith a 'barring' before too?Tracey & le__________________________________________________

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Hi everyone - I have a quick question...I have had " A " for @8

years...have done dialations..botox...eventually surgery..LES is open but

can't get anything done " the holding tank " without isosorbide...procardia

for spasms (along with 7-11 slurpee's :) currently have no insurance so

am only working with my GP who bless his heart knows nothing...He asked

me (!) if I wanted to try Zelnorm..and I was wondering if anyone has

taken this? Is it comparable to isosorbide or brethine? I didn't want to

pay for it unless there's a chance...Thanks in advance...

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Welcome to the group, .

Zelnorm is nothing like Isosorbide or Nifedipine. I find it a bit odd that you take both isosorbide and nifedipine, as they are very similar drugs! Do you find a significant difference between the two in some way? Zelnorm is used primarily for Irritable Bowel Syndrome, to "calm down" the intestines to reduce the symptoms of IBS (constipation, bloating, diarrhea, cramping). I doubt you'll find any difference in your swallowing ability on Zelnorm, although because of the serotonin effect you *may* find that it reduces the frequency of your chest pains.

Before spending your money on it, if you still want to give Zelnorm a try, I would ask your doctor for a couple weeks of samples -- the local drug rep would be happy to supply him with that if he doesn't have them in the office.

Debbi in Michigan

Hi everyone - I have a quick question...I have had "A" for @8years...have done dialations..botox...eventually surgery..LES is open butcan't get anything done "the holding tank" without isosorbide...procardiafor spasms (along with 7-11 slurpee's :) currently have no insurance soam only working with my GP who bless his heart knows nothing...He askedme (!) if I wanted to try Zelnorm..and I was wondering if anyone hastaken this? Is it comparable to isosorbide or brethine? I didn't want topay for it unless there's a chance...Thanks in advance...

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Debbi wrote:

.... I find

it a bit odd that you take both isosorbide and nifedipine, as they are

very similar drugs! ...

It may not be odd. Often a person is on the maximum dose of a drug

but still needs something more to adequately treat a problem. Sometimes

there are less problems using two drugs at lower doses than one at a

high dose. Often two, or more, drugs will be in different classes and

do the same thing in different ways. In the case of isosorbide and

nifedipine they can both be use to treat high blood pressure and to

treat angina. Nifedipine is in a class of drugs called calcium channel

blockers while isosorbide is in a class of drugs called nitrates. These

drugs are sometimes combined with beta blockers or ACE inhibitors,

which are classes of drugs that are also used to treat high blood

pressure.

notan

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Good to hear from you, notan! Where ya been hiding???? Hope all is well on your road to recovery!As for my comment about the two drugs, my hubby has to take two different blood pressure medications to keep his BP in check, so the "two meds" part of it wasn't so odd to me, but I guess I found it odd b/c of 's statement that she takes one for swallowing and another for NCCPs. Seems to me like one or the other should be able to do both jobs at the same time, based on what they do in the body and the experiences of others in the group with these types of meds. (Esp. since she DOES have side effects from taking the drugs.)

Then after learning that she's not seeing a specialist, that made me wonder even more if these are the right combination of drugs for her. After having suffered thru the effects of low BP and the headaches of nifedipine myself, I hate to see someone else go thru it all if there's another option that will work for them.

Deb, hoping notan will give us an update on HIS progress soon!

Debbi wrote:

.... I find it a bit odd that you take both isosorbide and nifedipine, as they are very similar drugs! ...It may not be odd. Often a person is on the maximum dose of a drug but still needs something more to adequately treat a problem. Sometimes there are less problems using two drugs at lower doses than one at a high dose. Often two, or more, drugs will be in different classes and do the same thing in different ways. In the case of isosorbide and nifedipine they can both be use to treat high blood pressure and to treat angina. Nifedipine is in a class of drugs called calcium channel blockers while isosorbide is in a class of drugs called nitrates. These drugs are sometimes combined with beta blockers or ACE inhibitors, which are classes of drugs that are also used to treat high blood pressure. notan

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Hi everyone - I Live in N.California - Auburn to be exact about 30 mins.

out of Sacramento and I am having a hard time finding a pharmacy that had

Procardia in capsule form. They only carry tablets..I've tried Longs,

Rite-Aid and Sams..Is there anyone around that can help...I would like to

be able to prick them and squirt under tongue...Thanks in

advance....

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Hi ,

I'm not sure this is the answer you are looking for, but worth a

shot. I take Nifedipine (in capsule form), the generic of Procardia

(dissolved under the tongue). Is there any possibility that if you had

it prescribed as nifedipine you might be able to obtain it in capsule

form.

Pharmacists have to dispense as the prescription is written.

There are, of course, mail order pharmacies that you can read info

about by googling Procardia, or Nifedipine.

Please tell us how you make out.

>

>

Hi everyone - I Live in N.California - Auburn to be exact about 30 mins.

out of Sacramento and I am having a hard time finding a pharmacy that

had Procardia in capsule form. They only carry tablets..I've tried

Longs,

Rite-Aid and Sams..Is there anyone around that can help...I would like

to be able to prick them and squirt under tongue...Thanks in

advance....

>

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