Newbie

[Guest guest]

Hi Mike,

You sound like such a fun person, I think we met in the chat on hear exchange.

Its' nice to meet such nice people in similar situations that truly support one

another. Up until my discovery of hearing exchange I never was in a chat

room...can you believe that one :0) . I am so happy to hear great things about a

CI an have made the decision to go with the Nucleus, most of the people that

have say positive things about it. So far after reading........and more

reading.......watching video ( with captions b/c I cannot hear the words :0(

I see my doc tomorrow to proceed with the paperwork and hopefully the insurance

will approve etc...and I will be hearing soon.

Thank you so much for the uplifting support, it's people like you that make a

difference in our society.

Please keep in touch

Debra

NEWBIE CANDIDATE FOR A CI Any suggestions

Hi,

I am new to this board. I recently had a sudden hearing loss am post

lingual, I am 38 and uptil about a 8 years ago I discovered I had a

hearing loss, over the past few years it has progressively gotten

worse. During the last two months I had a sudden hearing loss and

regained most of my residual hearing ( it wasn't good but I could

hear). Last week I had a sudden hearing loss again & now on prednisone

& can barley hear with HA. I live in NYC and are seeing a specialist

at the NY Eye & Ear Infirmary. Think a CI is going to be my only

option to hear again ( I hope & Pray).

Which CI do you have?

Any advice you can share?

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I was on Celexa for several years. We had to keep upping the dose over a span of

about 2 years when it finally just stopped working. I went on Lexapro in May of

2005 and my life has been greatly impacted by it in a positive way. I've been

depressed since the age of 9. This is the first drug that has actually worked

on me. I am on the upper most dose that can be prescribed and I'm doing great.

My Doc wanted to put me on Lamictal because I have bi-polar, but I have a rare

skin disease and apparently Lamictal can cause fatal skin problems. so I can't

take the stuff. Yes, I saw a definate improvement from Celexa to Lexapro. I

highly recommend that you try the Lexapro. I think you'll be happy with the

results once you get on the right dose.

Sue C

Newbie

My history:

Started taking Celexa in December 2001. Continued taking it until

March 2006. It quit being effective. Started taking Cymbalta then.

Worked great first eight weeks, quit being effective. Started taking

Lexapro, 10 mg. Very little improvement after four weeks. Starting

today, 20 mg of Lexapro and I am also starting Lamictal, which is a

drug used to treat bi-polar as well as epilepsy, of which I hope I

have neither, definitely no seizures! Lamictal, a mood stabilizer, is

also used to treat depression when other drugs are not as effective.

Wondering if others noticed a significant improvement when going from

10 mg of Lexapro to 20 mg? I know Lex is the new improved Celexa, but

is it really that much better? My therapist said the chemical

structure is different, but does it really work better, especially

after having been on Celexa for so long? Having a rough time right

now because of low appetite, which goes hand in hand with my

depression and anxiety, hoping the combination of Lexapro and Lamictal

is effective. Thanks for reading!

[Guest guest]

Welcome to the group !

Sandy

[Guest guest]

I was up to 40 mg of Celexa when it quit working, I am currently on 20 mg of

Lexapro, went up from 10 to 20 today. What mg are you taking? When did you

notice a significant difference? I'm still waiting for my appetite to return,

it's the worst part, not having an appetite and not eating makes me feel so much

worse. Are you taking anything for the bi-polar? My therapist told me to watch

for a skin rash too.

Sue Chapman <chapmn47@...> wrote: I was

on Celexa for several years. We had to keep upping the dose over a span of about

2 years when it finally just stopped working. I went on Lexapro in May of 2005

and my life has been greatly impacted by it in a positive way. I've been

depressed since the age of 9. This is the first drug that has actually worked

on me. I am on the upper most dose that can be prescribed and I'm doing great.

My Doc wanted to put me on Lamictal because I have bi-polar, but I have a rare

skin disease and apparently Lamictal can cause fatal skin problems. so I can't

take the stuff. Yes, I saw a definate improvement from Celexa to Lexapro. I

highly recommend that you try the Lexapro. I think you'll be happy with the

results once you get on the right dose.

Sue C

Newbie

My history:

Started taking Celexa in December 2001. Continued taking it until

March 2006. It quit being effective. Started taking Cymbalta then.

Worked great first eight weeks, quit being effective. Started taking

Lexapro, 10 mg. Very little improvement after four weeks. Starting

today, 20 mg of Lexapro and I am also starting Lamictal, which is a

drug used to treat bi-polar as well as epilepsy, of which I hope I

have neither, definitely no seizures! Lamictal, a mood stabilizer, is

also used to treat depression when other drugs are not as effective.

Wondering if others noticed a significant improvement when going from

10 mg of Lexapro to 20 mg? I know Lex is the new improved Celexa, but

is it really that much better? My therapist said the chemical

structure is different, but does it really work better, especially

after having been on Celexa for so long? Having a rough time right

now because of low appetite, which goes hand in hand with my

depression and anxiety, hoping the combination of Lexapro and Lamictal

is effective. Thanks for reading!

[Guest guest]

I'm on 40 mg of Lexapro. It's the highest dose my doc will go on it. I noticed

a big difference when I went from 20 mg to 30 mg.

sc

Newbie

My history:

Started taking Celexa in December 2001. Continued taking it until

March 2006. It quit being effective. Started taking Cymbalta then.

Worked great first eight weeks, quit being effective. Started taking

Lexapro, 10 mg. Very little improvement after four weeks. Starting

today, 20 mg of Lexapro and I am also starting Lamictal, which is a

drug used to treat bi-polar as well as epilepsy, of which I hope I

have neither, definitely no seizures! Lamictal, a mood stabilizer, is

also used to treat depression when other drugs are not as effective.

Wondering if others noticed a significant improvement when going from

10 mg of Lexapro to 20 mg? I know Lex is the new improved Celexa, but

is it really that much better? My therapist said the chemical

structure is different, but does it really work better, especially

after having been on Celexa for so long? Having a rough time right

now because of low appetite, which goes hand in hand with my

depression and anxiety, hoping the combination of Lexapro and Lamictal

is effective. Thanks for reading!

[Guest guest]

Hi Joleen,

You came to the right list, and hopefully you will make that decision,

which is never an easy task. What happened at the clinic you went to?

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[Guest guest]

Welcome, Joleen.

It's pretty tought to get a clear picture of which implant to choose.

Obviously, each web page will be full of success stories.

Mostly that's what you'll see here also. The majority of people here are

Cochlear users, but not all.

I was implanted with the AB device and activated a year ago and I'm happy.

I'm 78 and hearing aids just were no longer doing the job and hadn't really

been doing the job for years. My hearing went to nothing somewhere just

below 1Khz and was zero at all frequencies above that. So I'm still

delighted at hearing birds and turn signals and all sorts of things I hadn't

heard in years. My one on one conversations are mostly easy and relaxed.

Groups are harder. TV still requires captions if I want to get *all* of

what is said.

I suspect the current Cochlear users are doing better with music than I do

but I'm looking forward to trying the new AB Harmony next month or whenever

my audi gets one for me. Trial users report music enjoyment and improved

group listening.

This is probably as good a place as any, though, to get an idea of what you

might want.

Virg

> Just wanted to introduce myyself.. My name is Joleen .. Been HOH all my

> life and 3 yrs ago lost most of my hearing ..I'm looking forward to

> reading all of your posts and learning from them .... I'm currently

> searching for a CI and place... I had started about 2 yrs ago. Both

> places didnt work out.. so I'm on the " road again " searching..

>

> I'm still comparing and weighting which company... I've joined and

> searched all 3 websites ...so ...

>

> Joleen

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome Joleen please feel free to ask questions and I am sure you will find

everyone on the forum friendly and able to give a wealth of information.

Connie

jrmars813 <jrmars813@...> wrote:

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays Everyone !

Just wanted to introduce myyself.. My name is Joleen .. Been HOH all my

life and 3 yrs ago lost most of my hearing ..I'm looking forward to

reading all of your posts and learning from them .... I'm currently

searching for a CI and place... I had started about 2 yrs ago. Both

places didnt work out.. so I'm on the " road again " searching..

I'm still comparing and weighting which company... I've joined and

searched all 3 websites ...so ...

Joleen

" The Miracle at Ohio State "

aka Nucleus Freedom

Implanted 10/04/2005

Activated 11/1/2005

Surgery: Ohio State University

Surgeon: Dr. Bradley Welling

http://internalmedicine.osu.edu/article.cfm?ID=2021

[Guest guest]

Joleen,

Welcome to the list!

My name is and I've had my first CI for almost 2 years (as of January)

and my second CI for 10 months. It has been quite an amazing journey!

I wish you all the best in your own CI journey!

Left ear - Nucleus 24 Contour Advance with Freedom BTE

Implanted: 12/22/04 Activated: 1/18/05

Right ear - Nucleus Freedom

Implanted: 2/1/06 Activated: 3/1/06

Deafblind/Postlingual

[Guest guest]

Yes, but you MUST eat to CAPACITY!!!!!! If you don't, you'll be so hungry when you go to the 500 calorie/day diet!!! Debbie mrsolem <mrsolem@...> wrote: I started with my first injection yesterday. Terrified of that first shot, but it ended up being a piece of cake. I

really had a hard time eating alot yesterday (I just wasn't hungry) Has anyone else had this problem on the first or second day?I really appreciate this forum. Any questions I had, the answers were right here!I'm currently at 217 and want to get down to at least 130. I'm very excited to get started. All the stories I've read here have been a great inspiration.Thanks again everyone!!

[Guest guest]

I am having this same problem... I just started my first day on Phase

2 today. Took my first injection this morning and have absolutely no

desire to eat. I've been force-feeding myself but I still feel like

I'm not eating enough to actually " Load. " But should I take " eat to

capacity " as eating until feeling full??? What did everyone eat on

their load days? I've been eating healthy, organic food for a month

and a half now and so now junk food has no appeal. Even Ice Cream!!!!

That's just unheard of!

> I started with my first injection yesterday. Terrified of

that first

> shot, but it ended up being a piece of cake. I really had a hard time

> eating alot yesterday (I just wasn't hungry) Has anyone else had this

> problem on the first or second day?

>

> I really appreciate this forum. Any questions I had, the answers were

> right here!

>

> I'm currently at 217 and want to get down to at least 130. I'm very

> excited to get started. All the stories I've read here have been a

> great inspiration.

>

> Thanks again everyone!!

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Don't worry about eatting organic for a few days you're not going

to undue what you did in phase 1. Take a look at at Simeon's protocol

in the files to your left he gets into the details. Basically, you

need to eat to build up your fat stores before you go to the 500

cals. I went out to eat at Cheesecake Factory full lunch including of

course cheesecake. The protocol mentioned italian pastry, so I had

cannoli's, pizza, Dairy Queen Breezes the large one has over 500

calories. I also had fried clams, french fries and onion rings. Even

though I hadn't eatten fried food in over a year.I know its hard to

eat on this stuff but you need to do so. Its easier if you go out to

eat because there's high cal foods in restaurants. Also, you won't

have food from your gorge hanging around your house tempting you. You

willprobably gain on your gorge but it comes off quickly. And it will

mean your hunger won't be as bad the first few days on hcg. Here' a

exerpt from Simeons on the gorge. You'll find the whole thing in the

files. Enjoy your gorge! Sharon

Gain before Loss from Simeons protocpl

Patients whose general condition is low, owing to excessive previous

dieting, must eat to capacity for about one week before starting

treatment, regardless of how much weight they may gain in the

process. One cannot keep a patient comfortably on 500 Calories unless

his normal fat reserves are reasonably well stocked. It is for this

reason also that every case, even those that are actually gaining

must eat to capacity of the most fattening food they can get down

until they have had the third injection. It is a fundamental mistake

to put a patient on 500 Calories as soon as the injections are

started, as it seems to take about three injections before abnormally

deposited fat begins to circulate and thus become available.

We distinguish between the first three injections, which we call " non-

effective " as far as the loss of weight is concerned, and the

subsequent injections given while the patient is dieting, which we

call " effective " . The average loss of weight is calculated on the

number of effective injections and from the weight reached on the day

of the third injection which may be well above what it was two days

earlier when the first injection was given.

Most patients who have been struggling with diets for years and know

how rapidly they gain if they let themselves go are very hard to

convince of the absolute necessity of gorging for at least two days,

and yet this must he insisted upon categorically if the further

course of treatment is to run smoothly. Those patients who have to be

put on forced feeding for a week before starting the injections

usually gain weight rapidly - four to six pounds in 24 hours is not

unusual - but after a day or two this rapid gain generally levels

off. In any case, the whole gain is usually lost in the first 48

hours of dieting. It is necessary to proceed in this manner because

the gain re-stocks the depleted normal reserves, whereas the

subsequent loss is from the abnormal deposits only.

want to eat so

> > I started with my first injection yesterday. Terrified

of

> that first

> > shot, but it ended up being a piece of cake. I really had a hard

time

> > eating alot yesterday (I just wasn't hungry) Has anyone else had

this

> > problem on the first or second day?

> >

> > I really appreciate this forum. Any questions I had, the answers

were

> > right here!

> >

> > I'm currently at 217 and want to get down to at least 130. I'm

very

> > excited to get started. All the stories I've read here have been

a

> > great inspiration.

> >

> > Thanks again everyone!!

> >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Sharon! I did reread Dr. S's protocol today after my post and

then high-tailed it out to get some fatty food. I felt gross for a

few hours after eating and thought it might all come back up, but

thankfully I was able to keep it down. I kind of dread tomorrow's

gorging, but I will do it cuz I want to be make sure I am successful.

And I would rather feel sick for two days then go thru the headaches

and starvation when I start the 500 Cals. It's just so strange to me

though, that I use to love to eat all that crappy food and now I have

such a strong aversion. And in such a short amount of time. Mind

you, I'm not complaining! I don't want to be a slave to unhealthy,

chemical-laden junk food ever again. I'm just wondering if it's the

HCG or just the natural progression of cleansing and starting to eat

healthy, organic food. Maybe alittle of both...

> > > I started with my first injection yesterday. Terrified

> of

> > that first

> > > shot, but it ended up being a piece of cake. I really had a hard

> time

> > > eating alot yesterday (I just wasn't hungry) Has anyone else had

> this

> > > problem on the first or second day?

> > >

> > > I really appreciate this forum. Any questions I had, the answers

> were

> > > right here!

> > >

> > > I'm currently at 217 and want to get down to at least 130. I'm

> very

> > > excited to get started. All the stories I've read here have been

> a

> > > great inspiration.

> > >

> > > Thanks again everyone!!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I also just started phase 2. today is my second day. yesterday was harder than

i thought

but i did manage to eat all day and into the night. its ironic how mixed

emotions get in the

way. i want to do the right thing according to the diet protocol and i never had

a problem

eating (obviously) but now that i am supposed to eat, i felt guilty. very

strange!!!

today i will try to eat everything i wont be eating thru the summer so i wont

miss

anything. tomorrow starts the 500 cal days and i am actually looking forward to

them.

there's another really strange feeling!!

happy loosing to all of us............

[Guest guest]

You will find lia that you aren't hungry at all and sometimes it is even difficult to get the 500 cals down the hatch. I have one fruit about 10 a.m. then protein and veg between noon and 1 p.m. and then my second fruit at about 3-4 p.m. and then my protein and veg at around 6 p.m. My water also stops at 6 p.m. and then I just have a tea after dinner, and that's it or I am up to the washroom all night long. I drink 1 litre of water in the morning and another through the afternoon, along with the green tea in the a.m. and yerba matta tea in the p.m. (give me that boost), and the camomile after dinner. That is my schedule, in case you wanted to know. All the best, Shirley

On 6/15/07, rosalia <rmd127@...> wrote:

I also just started phase 2. today is my second day. yesterday was harder than i thought but i did manage to eat all day and into the night. its ironic how mixed emotions get in the way. i want to do the right thing according to the diet protocol and i never had a problem eating (obviously) but now that i am supposed to eat, i felt guilty. very strange!!!today i will try to eat everything i wont be eating thru the summer so i wont miss anything. tomorrow starts the 500 cal days and i am actually looking forward to them. there's another really strange feeling!!happy loosing to all of us............

[Guest guest]

> >

> > I also just started phase 2. today is my second day. yesterday was

> > harder than i thought

> > but i did manage to eat all day and into the night. its ironic how mixed

> > emotions get in the

> > way. i want to do the right thing according to the diet protocol and i

> > never had a problem

> > eating (obviously) but now that i am supposed to eat, i felt guilty. very

> > strange!!!

> > today i will try to eat everything i wont be eating thru the summer so i

> > wont miss

> > anything. tomorrow starts the 500 cal days and i am actually looking

> > forward to them.

> > there's another really strange feeling!!

> > happy loosing to all of us............

> >

> > that sounds great. I am glad you told me your schedule so i will have a plan

to follow

at first.day 2 of eating was fun but i am really loosing my desire for my

favorites. i am so

full i feel uncomfortable . this too will pass right? thanx again, rosalia

> >

>

[Guest guest]

WElcome, Francoise! Restriction will never be the same from day to

day, or even hour to hour. a fill is only a HELP to our own good

efforts. We can never deoend 100% on a fill - or only even 75% Most

of the work will have to come from us - this is something many people

just don't understand.

Tilpia is an excellent, delcious fish. It is much less dense than

halibut (which if often also very dry) so workes much better for most

people than halibut. You're not the first one to notice a difference!

That " bread " resipe sounds interesting - but why waste pouch space on

it? We really don't need bread or a bread substitute - use a lettuce

leaf to wrap " sandwiches " , good fiber crackers, or simply roll the

sandwich " innards " into a roll and secure with a toothpick.

The space that " bread " is taking up means inadequate space for

protein, fiber, calcium, and the good carbs that better utilize the

small pouch space. Band foods needs ar quite different than general

bariatric needs -

I bet that bread recipe was from a bypass site.

Glas you're with us!

Sandy r

>

> Good Morning!

>

> I'm new to the group, got banded on August 24 and had my first

adjustment this past Wednesday.

>

> I had some restriction, even before my first fill, but so far there

doesn't seem to be any pattern to it. Sometimes it's in the morning,

sometimes I'll eat fine throughout the day, then at dinnertime I'm

tight. I do try to eat what I'm supposed to.

>

> One thing that surprised me was I do fine with Tilapia but I ate

halibut a couple of times and had a hard time with it. I don't know

if it was the fish, or if maybe it was just the timing of my

restriction.

>

> I found a " faux bread " recipe on one of the bariatric message

boards. It's basically whipped egg whites and cottage cheese, baked;

then, when it cools, it changes texture from a crisp meringue to

something similar to soft white bread. It really doesn't have any

taste but I can fool my mind into thinking it's really bread if I

have a true craving for a sandwich. If I'm allowed to post the

recipe from another site, let me know and I'll post it if anyone is

interested or point you to the thread on the board.

>

> Françoise

[Guest guest]

Hello Sandy,

Sunday, October 21, 2007, 1:04:12 PM, you wrote:

> That " bread " resipe sounds interesting - but why waste pouch space on

> it? We really don't need bread or a bread substitute - use a lettuce

> leaf to wrap " sandwiches " , good fiber crackers, or simply roll the

> sandwich " innards " into a roll and secure with a toothpick.

That's what Gail and I call " sandwich guts " , but guess innards is a

bit more polite. I did that last Tuesday when I took a day off from

work to help out our running group, that had a table at the County

Employees Health Fair. There was lots of interest, and hope more will

join up.

Anyway, they had sub sandwiches for the exhibitors, and I ate the guts

from one. Had turkey and ham and cheese all rolled together and it

was fine. Skipped the chips and the sweets. What was really

interesting was that almost every table, whether from an insurance

company, a drug company, a health club, United Way, whatever, had a

big bowl of candy on their table. I know the theory is it is a way to

get people to stop and visit your area, but seemed somehow wrong for a

Health Fair. Oh well. Oh, our table had NO FOOD of any kind (partly

because we're cheap and low budget). Only other one without food was

Pfizer....story below.

Pfizer was giving out pill boxes (the kind that hold a weeks worth)

and I got a couple of those since a couple of ours are wearing out.

They also gave out keychain flashlights. You pressed a button and it

lit up a little blue light to see your keyhole or whatever. However,

one side of it had a little door that opened and inside there were two

little diamond shaped places to put one pill in each.

Who (besides Sandy) knows what they were for?

--

Best regards,

Dan mailto:honu@...

[Guest guest]

i have had no problem with salmon

either..especially with yogurt sauce. actually

most fish is ok if i chew to kill.

At 10:13 AM 10/22/2007, you wrote:

>Flounder is another GOOD fish for us. Nice and

>mild and on the softer side, not dense like a

>tuna steak which is my FAVE! Had some good

>flounder over the weekend and OMG it was SO

>good! So good I bought some at the store that

>night! Sometimes being a loser is a GOOD

>thing! 5'11 " 306 / 226 / 180 PreOp / Now/ Goal Banded 09/14/06

>

>

>@...:

>honu@...: Mon, 22 Oct 2007

>07:47:40 -0600Subject: Re: Newbie

>

>

>

>

>Hello Francoise,Sunday, October 21, 2007,

>9:01:33 AM, you wrote:> One thing that surprised

>me was I do fine with Tilapia but I ate halibut

>a couple of> times and had a hard time with it.

>I don't know if it was the fish, or if maybe it

>was> just the timing of my restriction.I imagine

>you had problems because halibut is a very dense

>fish, notexactly tough, but takes a LOT of

>chewing. I can do it if I'mcareful.Tilapia and

>roughy and some others are much finer and looser

>inconsistency and easier to deal with.At least

>the above is how it seems to me.-- Best

>regards,Dan mailto:honu@...

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Funny, Funny man......

>

> > i have had no problem with salmon

> > either..especially with yogurt sauce. actually

> > most fish is ok if i chew to kill.

>

> Does that mean you eat fish that isn't dead yet? I guess being chewed

> to death is one way to go. Sort of like the wolf eating the sheep.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

back to the great white north. Diane may be a mama bear, eating her

salmon straight out of the stream.

george

>

> > i have had no problem with salmon

> > either..especially with yogurt sauce. actually

> > most fish is ok if i chew to kill.

>

> Does that mean you eat fish that isn't dead yet? I guess being chewed

> to death is one way to go. Sort of like the wolf eating the sheep.

>

> --

> Best regards,

> Dan mailto:honu@...

>

[Guest guest]

Dan,

you got to be kidding. my granny would watch me eat with a shovel in

her hand. " have some more, dearie " , said she. and if i

refused..... " what's the matter, you dun't like ur granny's

cooking " . " come on, have another, they're small "

but that may be an ethnic thing. besides, they spent years

wondering if they could put food on the table. the least we could do

when it was abundant, was to eat everthing in sight. and both

grannies took that on as their mission in life.

george

p.s. I'm about to start singing " memories " .

>

> > i coined the phrase " chew to kill " to describe my new way of

chewing

> > as opposed to my previous practice of inhaling my food whole!!

> > i feel like i chew and chew and chew...until i cannot stand it

any longer!!!

> > it works for sushi/sashimi too!!

>

> Yeah, I knew what you meant. :-) I wasn't totally sure on 's

> comments about the enemas, but I now think it was what I assumed.

> Enough on that, I imagine.

>

> I always say we should do what our grannies taught us....put the

fork

> down between bites, chew every bite twenty times, never talk with

your

> mouth full, etc.

>

> And if your granny or your mommy didn't teach you that, she/they

> should have.

>

> Not that it did any good with me, of course.....

>

> Still struggling to learn to follow directions,

>

> dan

>

[Guest guest]

george, my grandma would cook anything for me..my favorites were

noodles, which was her staple.

but then i would get another mixed signal...like i should lose

weight. very confusing to a child.

my hungarian family was all about food.

in 1965 when i was studying in germany i took a trip with a friend to

budapest to visit family i had never met.

well, we got there late after being lost. the whole family was there,

and they MADE us eat while they watched. they

wouldnt talk to us until we had finished. it was pretty funny. food

was great of course.

At 08:30 AM 10/23/2007, you wrote:

>you got to be kidding. my granny would watch me eat with a shovel in

>her hand. " have some more, dearie " , said she. and if i

>refused..... " what's the matter, you dun't like ur granny's

>cooking " . " come on, have another, they're small "

>

>

>

>

>george

>

>

>p.s. I'm about to start singing " memories " .

>

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Diane B

[Guest guest]

Hello george,

Tuesday, October 23, 2007, 6:30:18 AM, you wrote:

> you got to be kidding. my granny would watch me eat with a shovel in

> her hand. " have some more, dearie " , said she. and if i

> refused..... " what's the matter, you dun't like ur granny's

> cooking " . " come on, have another, they're small "

Yeah, I understand both sides of that. And there is the problem when

one does try to lose weight, with the standard (regardless of age)

line of " you're a big guy, you need some more to keep up your energy

and be healthy " . And the " I'm trying to not be such a big guy doesn't

often help " . Yes, I've had food put on my plate that I didn't ask

for and didn't want....and as an adult as well.

> but that may be an ethnic thing. besides, they spent years

> wondering if they could put food on the table. the least we could do

> when it was abundant, was to eat everthing in sight. and both

> grannies took that on as their mission in life.

Absolutely. Imagine you're a number of years younger than me. I am

just before the " baby boomers " , having been born during the war (my

dad was stationed at a california navy base, so was able to make a

couple babies (me and my little sister) during the war. Anyway, my

parents were born in 1919 and 1920, so were living through the worst

of the depression (my maternal grandfather was a teacher, and was very

happy to not lose his job....but all salaries were cut in half...and

if he'd not kept the job, someone would have gladly grabbed it).

Anyway, yes, there was that...the " clean your plate they're starving

in India " ...and only once did I tell my dad to send it to India (or

the other country of the month)...you can guess the outcome of that.

And as the oldest of six with a very sickly sister, no health

insurance in the family, and both parents working for pretty low

salaries, we did learn to " eat like wolves " , meaning eat what you can

when you can, even if it is too much, because you may not get the next

meal, or it may be even worse. I remember many suppers of " used

bread " (meaning day old or older from the discount shelf), white bread

of course, torn up, put in a glass, and sugar and milk poured on it.

Cheaper than boxed cereal, probably even less nutritious, but it

filled our bellies. I always hated (and still do) butter, so I never

had the " sugar and butter sandwiches " that my siblings did. I just

ate the bread, maybe if I was lucky with some tomato or peanut butter

on it. (they generally preferred the sugar and butter sandwiches)

So, yeah, we're all products of our environments....and we all learned

tricks to get the most, or even get our share. As the oldest and

biggest I'm sure I got AT LEAST my share.

dan

[Guest guest]

Dan,

i also arrived just before the boomers near the end of the war in mid

1944.

george

> //Yeah, I understand both sides of that. And there is the problem

when

> one does try to lose weight, with the standard (regardless of age)

> line of " you're a big guy, you need some more to keep up your energy

> and be healthy " . And the " I'm trying to not be such a big guy

doesn't

> often help " . Yes, I've had food put on my plate that I didn't ask

> for and didn't want....and as an adult as well.

>

> > but that may be an ethnic thing. besides, they spent years

> > wondering if they could put food on the table. the least we

could do

> > when it was abundant, was to eat everthing in sight. and both

> > grannies took that on as their mission in life.

>

> Absolutely. Imagine you're a number of years younger than me. I am

> just before the " baby boomers " , having been born during the war (my

> dad was stationed at a california navy base, so was able to make a

> couple babies (me and my little sister) during the war. Anyway, my

> parents were born in 1919 and 1920, so were living through the worst

> of the depression (my maternal grandfather was a teacher, and was

very

> happy to not lose his job....but all salaries were cut in half...and

> if he'd not kept the job, someone would have gladly grabbed it).

> Anyway, yes, there was that...the " clean your plate they're starving

> in India " ...and only once did I tell my dad to send it to India (or

> the other country of the month)...you can guess the outcome of that.

>

> And as the oldest of six with a very sickly sister, no health

> insurance in the family, and both parents working for pretty low

> salaries, we did learn to " eat like wolves " , meaning eat what you

can

> when you can, even if it is too much, because you may not get the

next

> meal, or it may be even worse. I remember many suppers of " used

> bread " (meaning day old or older from the discount shelf), white

bread

> of course, torn up, put in a glass, and sugar and milk poured on it.

> Cheaper than boxed cereal, probably even less nutritious, but it

> filled our bellies. I always hated (and still do) butter, so I

never

> had the " sugar and butter sandwiches " that my siblings did. I just

> ate the bread, maybe if I was lucky with some tomato or peanut

butter

> on it. (they generally preferred the sugar and butter sandwiches)

>

> So, yeah, we're all products of our environments....and we all

learned

> tricks to get the most, or even get our share. As the oldest and

> biggest I'm sure I got AT LEAST my share.

>

> dan

>