Re: The truth about mycotoxin related illnesses.

[Guest guest]

> THERE IS NO MONEY IN TREATING MOLD RELATED ILLNESSES. If you think

> they don't know how dangerous mold really is think again. They

know everything we know+++.

Damn Straight!

Controlled animal studies of mycotoxin exposure for use as

antibiotics and bioweapons has been done for fifty years.

At a time when the insurance industry, researchers, physicians and

victims of SBS/mycotoxin exposure are desperately trying to gather

data, those who have such information have not produced it.

Why not?

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[Guest guest]

> THERE IS NO MONEY IN TREATING MOLD RELATED ILLNESSES. If you think

> they don't know how dangerous mold really is think again. They

know everything we know+++.

Damn Straight!

Controlled animal studies of mycotoxin exposure for use as

antibiotics and bioweapons has been done for fifty years.

At a time when the insurance industry, researchers, physicians and

victims of SBS/mycotoxin exposure are desperately trying to gather

data, those who have such information have not produced it.

Why not?

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[Guest guest]

From: tinabutton

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:16 AM

Subject: [] The truth about mycotoxin related illnesses.

Mold may be the major cause of most chronic illness

<snip>

Mold related illnesses are easily treated,

* Ok, how? Some list members think that MCS is a mold related illness and

that MCS can't be cured. Others think they have permanent brain damage from

mold exposures. If you would shed some light on how to cure MCS or restore the

mental functioning of the brain damaged, you'd go to heaven for sure.

[Guest guest]

From: tinabutton

Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:16 AM

Subject: [] The truth about mycotoxin related illnesses.

Mold may be the major cause of most chronic illness

<snip>

Mold related illnesses are easily treated,

* Ok, how? Some list members think that MCS is a mold related illness and

that MCS can't be cured. Others think they have permanent brain damage from

mold exposures. If you would shed some light on how to cure MCS or restore the

mental functioning of the brain damaged, you'd go to heaven for sure.

[Guest guest]

> Damn Straight!

> Controlled animal studies of mycotoxin exposure for use as

> antibiotics and bioweapons has been done for fifty years.

> At a time when the insurance industry, researchers, physicians and

> victims of SBS/mycotoxin exposure are desperately trying to gather

> data, those who have such information have not produced it.

> Why not?

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How come we keep seeing media releases on drug companies having developed new

classes of antifungals in concert with major research centers,

only to have those statements qualified with the primary intent as being for use

in developing countries?

Either there's more of a problem abroad than you might think (to make up for the

lack of cash in the third world), or there's more of a developing

domestic market?

[Guest guest]

> Damn Straight!

> Controlled animal studies of mycotoxin exposure for use as

> antibiotics and bioweapons has been done for fifty years.

> At a time when the insurance industry, researchers, physicians and

> victims of SBS/mycotoxin exposure are desperately trying to gather

> data, those who have such information have not produced it.

> Why not?

> -

How come we keep seeing media releases on drug companies having developed new

classes of antifungals in concert with major research centers,

only to have those statements qualified with the primary intent as being for use

in developing countries?

Either there's more of a problem abroad than you might think (to make up for the

lack of cash in the third world), or there's more of a developing

domestic market?

[Guest guest]

JAmes...

There are tests that prove conclusively that the brain swells during

perfume inhalation. THe blood brain barrier is FORCED to be compromised

from the swelling.

Each chemical has it own *unique* effect on the body. Pesticides do one

thing, formaldehyde does another etc. THats why NO ONE has been able to

come up with a concise definition of MCS in my opinion. As the term

mulitple implies that...too many to differanciate most allopaths haven't a

clue.

I have not seen ANY spec scans showing that mold casues inflammation.

There are enough books and research papers for people to read and

understand the diveristy of these illnesses. And none of the books/papers

shows any CURE for MCS.

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

On Sat, 15 May 2004, Bjerring wrote:

> From: tinabutton

>

> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:16 AM

> Subject: [] The truth about mycotoxin related illnesses.

>

>

> Mold may be the major cause of most chronic illness

>

> <snip>

>

> Mold related illnesses are easily treated,

>

> * Ok, how? Some list members think that MCS is a mold related illness and

that MCS can't be cured. Others think they have permanent brain damage from

mold exposures. If you would shed some light on how to cure MCS or restore the

mental functioning of the brain damaged, you'd go to heaven for sure.

>

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>

>

>

[Guest guest]

JAmes...

There are tests that prove conclusively that the brain swells during

perfume inhalation. THe blood brain barrier is FORCED to be compromised

from the swelling.

Each chemical has it own *unique* effect on the body. Pesticides do one

thing, formaldehyde does another etc. THats why NO ONE has been able to

come up with a concise definition of MCS in my opinion. As the term

mulitple implies that...too many to differanciate most allopaths haven't a

clue.

I have not seen ANY spec scans showing that mold casues inflammation.

There are enough books and research papers for people to read and

understand the diveristy of these illnesses. And none of the books/papers

shows any CURE for MCS.

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

On Sat, 15 May 2004, Bjerring wrote:

> From: tinabutton

>

> Sent: Saturday, May 15, 2004 9:16 AM

> Subject: [] The truth about mycotoxin related illnesses.

>

>

> Mold may be the major cause of most chronic illness

>

> <snip>

>

> Mold related illnesses are easily treated,

>

> * Ok, how? Some list members think that MCS is a mold related illness and

that MCS can't be cured. Others think they have permanent brain damage from

mold exposures. If you would shed some light on how to cure MCS or restore the

mental functioning of the brain damaged, you'd go to heaven for sure.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pall has done some spectacular work on MCS.

http://www.ctds.info/multiple_chemical_sensitivity.html

Re. Snow.

I've found no particular correlation of high mycotoxin levels in

snowy areas like Incline Village. (We had absolutely the BEST white

Christmas).

Las Vegas, on the other hand, is full of SB's identified by

Stetzenbach, mycologist at UNLV.

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[Guest guest]

Pall has done some spectacular work on MCS.

http://www.ctds.info/multiple_chemical_sensitivity.html

Re. Snow.

I've found no particular correlation of high mycotoxin levels in

snowy areas like Incline Village. (We had absolutely the BEST white

Christmas).

Las Vegas, on the other hand, is full of SB's identified by

Stetzenbach, mycologist at UNLV.

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[Guest guest]

Now, I can see why Grace Zeim didn't want to talk to you.

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

On Sun, 16 May 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

> Pall has done some spectacular work on MCS.

> http://www.ctds.info/multiple_chemical_sensitivity.html

>

> Re. Snow.

> I've found no particular correlation of high mycotoxin levels in

> snowy areas like Incline Village. (We had absolutely the BEST white

> Christmas).

> Las Vegas, on the other hand, is full of SB's identified by

> Stetzenbach, mycologist at UNLV.

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>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Now, I can see why Grace Zeim didn't want to talk to you.

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

On Sun, 16 May 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

> Pall has done some spectacular work on MCS.

> http://www.ctds.info/multiple_chemical_sensitivity.html

>

> Re. Snow.

> I've found no particular correlation of high mycotoxin levels in

> snowy areas like Incline Village. (We had absolutely the BEST white

> Christmas).

> Las Vegas, on the other hand, is full of SB's identified by

> Stetzenbach, mycologist at UNLV.

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>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> Now, I can see why Grace Ziem didn't want to talk to you.

Yes. Nor a great many others.

I'm a pain in the butt because I tell it like it is.

The IEQ people cannot help you.

See how they attack the credibility of those who complain of

mycotoxin exposure?

I suffered for years because I listened to them.

Now I trust only my own perceptions.

If you want to get out of this, you are going to have to quit looking

for tests and rely on the best indicator of exposure you've got.

Yourself.

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[Guest guest]

> Now, I can see why Grace Ziem didn't want to talk to you.

Yes. Nor a great many others.

I'm a pain in the butt because I tell it like it is.

The IEQ people cannot help you.

See how they attack the credibility of those who complain of

mycotoxin exposure?

I suffered for years because I listened to them.

Now I trust only my own perceptions.

If you want to get out of this, you are going to have to quit looking

for tests and rely on the best indicator of exposure you've got.

Yourself.

-

[Guest guest]

Amen Ruth!

Janet

[Guest guest]

Amen Ruth!

Janet

[Guest guest]

, I agree with you 100% on that last sentence you spoke!!!! The more

that you trust yourself, the more fear leaves and confidence

returns---that has been my experience. I think that fear has kept so many

of us in a panic, trying to find this answer and that answer. Scripture

tells us " Be still and know that I am God. " I think God is telling me to

" be still and go within myself " to find the peacefulness I seek with this

condition called MCS.

Ruth

> Now, I can see why Grace Ziem didn't want to talk to you.

Yes. Nor a great many others.

I'm a pain in the butt because I tell it like it is.

The IEQ people cannot help you.

See how they attack the credibility of those who complain of

mycotoxin exposure?

I suffered for years because I listened to them.

Now I trust only my own perceptions.

If you want to get out of this, you are going to have to quit looking

for tests and rely on the best indicator of exposure you've got.

Yourself.

-

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This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always

been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such

material available in our efforts to advance understanding of

environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific,

and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use'

of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US

Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the

material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have

expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for

research and educational purposes. For more information go to:

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copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go

beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

, I agree with you 100% on that last sentence you spoke!!!! The more

that you trust yourself, the more fear leaves and confidence

returns---that has been my experience. I think that fear has kept so many

of us in a panic, trying to find this answer and that answer. Scripture

tells us " Be still and know that I am God. " I think God is telling me to

" be still and go within myself " to find the peacefulness I seek with this

condition called MCS.

Ruth

> Now, I can see why Grace Ziem didn't want to talk to you.

Yes. Nor a great many others.

I'm a pain in the butt because I tell it like it is.

The IEQ people cannot help you.

See how they attack the credibility of those who complain of

mycotoxin exposure?

I suffered for years because I listened to them.

Now I trust only my own perceptions.

If you want to get out of this, you are going to have to quit looking

for tests and rely on the best indicator of exposure you've got.

Yourself.

-

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[Guest guest]

If no surface mold was confirmed, (assuming they also took air

samples and checked your duct system, including air handler), then

there are two possibilities:

1) its your imagination

Take THAT, Mrs. Angel!

How about this for a possibility.

Either your neighbors house or a sewer vent is intermittently spewing

a mold plume over your house.

If you don't test when the wind is from the " bad " direction or when

the colony is actively emitting spores - you will get a negative

result on airborne spore testing.

If something in your house is changing for the worse even though

there has been no water leak and no apparent new mold growth,

these " Experts " should look for alternate explanations instead of

resorting to the " It's all in your head " response.

They're sounding more like doctors all the time

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[Guest guest]

If no surface mold was confirmed, (assuming they also took air

samples and checked your duct system, including air handler), then

there are two possibilities:

1) its your imagination

Take THAT, Mrs. Angel!

How about this for a possibility.

Either your neighbors house or a sewer vent is intermittently spewing

a mold plume over your house.

If you don't test when the wind is from the " bad " direction or when

the colony is actively emitting spores - you will get a negative

result on airborne spore testing.

If something in your house is changing for the worse even though

there has been no water leak and no apparent new mold growth,

these " Experts " should look for alternate explanations instead of

resorting to the " It's all in your head " response.

They're sounding more like doctors all the time

-

[Guest guest]

> If no surface mold was confirmed, (assuming they also took air

> samples and checked your duct system, including air handler), then

> there are two possibilities:

>

> 1) its your imagination

I should point out that this was " said in jest " and not as a real

insult. But jest or no, there are more than two possibilities.

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[Guest guest]

> If no surface mold was confirmed, (assuming they also took air

> samples and checked your duct system, including air handler), then

> there are two possibilities:

>

> 1) its your imagination

I should point out that this was " said in jest " and not as a real

insult. But jest or no, there are more than two possibilities.

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