Re: protocol with best results

[Guest guest]

> Hi, I am interested in knowing which procols have helped others the fastest.

> I am desparately trying to get better.I am currently doing lots of

> naturopathic detoxing and treatments because that is what I believe in.However

I would

> consider Dr. Shoemaker's drug protocol ,Cholestryamine, if it will take away

my

> multiple chemical sensitivity and help me detox. I current take Lauricidin and

> was just given Tanalbit. I am also interested in Formula SF 722 and Caproyl

> or Caprystatin. I just want to not be so sick.

I've done ketakonazole, nystatin, pau d'arco, grapefruit seed extract and

colonic regimes -- all in support of moderating systemic infection. I've come

to the conclusion that I don't have this condition, and rather am hyperreactive

to immunologically released toxins. I am currently taking 900 mg per

day of alpha-lipoic acid as an oxidant for any mycotoxins bound to cholesterols,

and supporting this with three teaspoons of powdered pysllium hull

in drinks. The Psyllium said to produce the same chemical agent in

Cholestyramine, but via natural means, and also provides an excellent binder for

elimination. This protocol was suggested by at Mold-Help.org, who

is very knowledgable, not keen on drug therapy, and whose

opinion is very much to be respected. Anyone on this board would do well to

spend some time there.

http://www.mold-help.org

I have suffered from major GI disruption, and took plenty of fiber suppliments

with no results. After a month on the combination above, I am happy

to report much normalized conditions.

Hope this helps -- cheap and natural.

[Guest guest]

> Hi, I am interested in knowing which procols have helped others the fastest.

> I am desparately trying to get better.I am currently doing lots of

> naturopathic detoxing and treatments because that is what I believe in.However

I would

> consider Dr. Shoemaker's drug protocol ,Cholestryamine, if it will take away

my

> multiple chemical sensitivity and help me detox. I current take Lauricidin and

> was just given Tanalbit. I am also interested in Formula SF 722 and Caproyl

> or Caprystatin. I just want to not be so sick.

I've done ketakonazole, nystatin, pau d'arco, grapefruit seed extract and

colonic regimes -- all in support of moderating systemic infection. I've come

to the conclusion that I don't have this condition, and rather am hyperreactive

to immunologically released toxins. I am currently taking 900 mg per

day of alpha-lipoic acid as an oxidant for any mycotoxins bound to cholesterols,

and supporting this with three teaspoons of powdered pysllium hull

in drinks. The Psyllium said to produce the same chemical agent in

Cholestyramine, but via natural means, and also provides an excellent binder for

elimination. This protocol was suggested by at Mold-Help.org, who

is very knowledgable, not keen on drug therapy, and whose

opinion is very much to be respected. Anyone on this board would do well to

spend some time there.

http://www.mold-help.org

I have suffered from major GI disruption, and took plenty of fiber suppliments

with no results. After a month on the combination above, I am happy

to report much normalized conditions.

Hope this helps -- cheap and natural.

[Guest guest]

It is important to remember that cholestryamine is not a cure. It may remove the toxins you already have in your body, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE TO BE EXPOSED AGAIN YOU WILL GET JUST AS SICK OR SICKER AGAIN. You have to get away from whatever you are reacting to. There is no substitute for this and nothing will speed up your recovery until you do this one thing at whatever cost or loss.

a Carnes

Hi, I am interested in knowing which procols have helped others the fastest. I am desparately trying to get better.I am currently doing lots of naturopathic detoxing and treatments because that is what I believe in.However I would consider Dr. Shoemaker's drug protocol ,Cholestryamine, if it will take away my multiple chemical sensitivity and help me detox. I current take Lauricidin and was just given Tanalbit. I am also interested in Formula SF 722 and Caproyl or Caprystatin. I just want to not be so sick.

[Guest guest]

It is important to remember that cholestryamine is not a cure. It may remove the toxins you already have in your body, BUT IF YOU CONTINUE TO BE EXPOSED AGAIN YOU WILL GET JUST AS SICK OR SICKER AGAIN. You have to get away from whatever you are reacting to. There is no substitute for this and nothing will speed up your recovery until you do this one thing at whatever cost or loss.

a Carnes

Hi, I am interested in knowing which procols have helped others the fastest. I am desparately trying to get better.I am currently doing lots of naturopathic detoxing and treatments because that is what I believe in.However I would consider Dr. Shoemaker's drug protocol ,Cholestryamine, if it will take away my multiple chemical sensitivity and help me detox. I current take Lauricidin and was just given Tanalbit. I am also interested in Formula SF 722 and Caproyl or Caprystatin. I just want to not be so sick.

[Guest guest]

I don't think psyillium and cholestyramine work the same way, and I don't think psyillim will work to remove toxins. I'm not a chemist. Perhaps could respond.

a Carnes

> Hi, I am interested in knowing which procols have helped others the fastest. > I am desparately trying to get better.I am currently doing lots of > naturopathic detoxing and treatments because that is what I believe in.However I would > consider Dr. Shoemaker's drug protocol ,Cholestryamine, if it will take away my > multiple chemical sensitivity and help me detox. I current take Lauricidin and > was just given Tanalbit. I am also interested in Formula SF 722 and Caproyl > or Caprystatin. I just want to not be so sick.I've done ketakonazole, nystatin, pau d'arco, grapefruit seed extract and colonic regimes -- all in support of moderating systemic infection. I've come to the conclusion that I don't have this condition, and rather am hyperreactive to immunologically released toxins. I am currently taking 900 mg per day of alpha-lipoic acid as an oxidant for any mycotoxins bound to cholesterols, and supporting this with three teaspoons of powdered pysllium hull in drinks. The Psyllium said to produce the same chemical agent in Cholestyramine, but via natural means, and also provides an excellent binder for elimination. This protocol was suggested by at Mold-Help.org, who is very knowledgable, not keen on drug therapy, and whose opinion is very much to be respected. Anyone on this board would do well to spend some time there.http://www.mold-help.orgI have suffered from major GI disruption, and took plenty of fiber suppliments with no results. After a month on the combination above, I am happy to report much normalized conditions.Hope this helps -- cheap and natural.FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

I don't think psyillium and cholestyramine work the same way, and I don't think psyillim will work to remove toxins. I'm not a chemist. Perhaps could respond.

a Carnes

> Hi, I am interested in knowing which procols have helped others the fastest. > I am desparately trying to get better.I am currently doing lots of > naturopathic detoxing and treatments because that is what I believe in.However I would > consider Dr. Shoemaker's drug protocol ,Cholestryamine, if it will take away my > multiple chemical sensitivity and help me detox. I current take Lauricidin and > was just given Tanalbit. I am also interested in Formula SF 722 and Caproyl > or Caprystatin. I just want to not be so sick.I've done ketakonazole, nystatin, pau d'arco, grapefruit seed extract and colonic regimes -- all in support of moderating systemic infection. I've come to the conclusion that I don't have this condition, and rather am hyperreactive to immunologically released toxins. I am currently taking 900 mg per day of alpha-lipoic acid as an oxidant for any mycotoxins bound to cholesterols, and supporting this with three teaspoons of powdered pysllium hull in drinks. The Psyllium said to produce the same chemical agent in Cholestyramine, but via natural means, and also provides an excellent binder for elimination. This protocol was suggested by at Mold-Help.org, who is very knowledgable, not keen on drug therapy, and whose opinion is very much to be respected. Anyone on this board would do well to spend some time there.http://www.mold-help.orgI have suffered from major GI disruption, and took plenty of fiber suppliments with no results. After a month on the combination above, I am happy to report much normalized conditions.Hope this helps -- cheap and natural.FAIR USE NOTICE:This site contains copyrighted material the use of which has not always been specifically authorized by the copyright owner. We are making such material available in our efforts to advance understanding of environmental, political, human rights, economic, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues, etc. We believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of any such copyrighted material as provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107, the material on this site is distributed without profit to those who have expressed a prior interest in receiving the included information for research and educational purposes. For more information go to: http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.shtml. If you wish to use copyrighted material from this site for purposes of your own that go beyond 'fair use', you must obtain permission from the copyright owner.

[Guest guest]

> I don't think psyillium and cholestyramine work the same way, and

I don't think psyillim will work to remove toxins. I'm not a chemist.

Perhaps could respond.

> a Carnes

Me neither, but Shoemaker is very clear on this point in Desperation

Medicine. The CSM / bile binding salts have the proper molecular

weight for biotoxin binding and transport.

Psyllium is probably a good thing but people have tried it for many

years without addressing the illness.

My own personal worthless opinion that I've presented before on this

board is that the body will not allow dissociation of toxins while in

an inflammatory state.

I believe this is why MCSers have to go to the desert to recover and

have very limited success by merely reducing exposure.

The slightest " hit " and detox turns off.

-

[Guest guest]

> I don't think psyillium and cholestyramine work the same way, and

I don't think psyillim will work to remove toxins. I'm not a chemist.

Perhaps could respond.

> a Carnes

Me neither, but Shoemaker is very clear on this point in Desperation

Medicine. The CSM / bile binding salts have the proper molecular

weight for biotoxin binding and transport.

Psyllium is probably a good thing but people have tried it for many

years without addressing the illness.

My own personal worthless opinion that I've presented before on this

board is that the body will not allow dissociation of toxins while in

an inflammatory state.

I believe this is why MCSers have to go to the desert to recover and

have very limited success by merely reducing exposure.

The slightest " hit " and detox turns off.

-

[Guest guest]

I just want to pass some info on what NOT to do. I went to try a new environmental doctor who did intradermal skin testing and set me up with shots. I am now back to heating up, hives and asthma. I am waiting for my friend to take me to the emergency room.I had recovered some just by avoidance and now I am back where I started and very upset.

DONT DO ANY SHOTS!!!

Janet

[Guest guest]

I just want to pass some info on what NOT to do. I went to try a new environmental doctor who did intradermal skin testing and set me up with shots. I am now back to heating up, hives and asthma. I am waiting for my friend to take me to the emergency room.I had recovered some just by avoidance and now I am back where I started and very upset.

DONT DO ANY SHOTS!!!

Janet

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't think psyillium and cholestyramine work the same way, and I don't

think psyillim will work to remove toxins. I'm not a chemist. Perhaps could

respond.

> a Carnes

Hi a --

Here's a recent quote from the mold-help.org board, responding to threads on

Cholestyramine and Dr. Shoemaker's protocols:

" That is a good question. Cholestyramine can be very hard on the system. Side

effects include irregularity, mood

swings, and impaired vision. For awhile, it was even banned by the FDA. The

main purpose of cholestyramine is to

produce a detoxifying chemical called anoxanase. This chemical can also be

produced by taking 2 teaspoons of powdered

psyllium hull twice a day. This is a much more natural alternative. ... "

Just more information for discussion, anyone with additional input should

contribute, please. I too am interested in Cholestyramine, but it appears to

have been examined by others with more experience than me.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

>

> I don't think psyillium and cholestyramine work the same way, and I don't

think psyillim will work to remove toxins. I'm not a chemist. Perhaps could

respond.

> a Carnes

Hi a --

Here's a recent quote from the mold-help.org board, responding to threads on

Cholestyramine and Dr. Shoemaker's protocols:

" That is a good question. Cholestyramine can be very hard on the system. Side

effects include irregularity, mood

swings, and impaired vision. For awhile, it was even banned by the FDA. The

main purpose of cholestyramine is to

produce a detoxifying chemical called anoxanase. This chemical can also be

produced by taking 2 teaspoons of powdered

psyllium hull twice a day. This is a much more natural alternative. ... "

Just more information for discussion, anyone with additional input should

contribute, please. I too am interested in Cholestyramine, but it appears to

have been examined by others with more experience than me.

Regards,

[Guest guest]

> Me neither, but Shoemaker is very clear on this point in Desperation

> Medicine. The CSM / bile binding salts have the proper molecular

> weight for biotoxin binding and transport.

> Psyllium is probably a good thing but people have tried it for many

> years without addressing the illness.

> My own personal worthless opinion that I've presented before on this

> board is that the body will not allow dissociation of toxins while in

> an inflammatory state.

> I believe this is why MCSers have to go to the desert to recover and

> have very limited success by merely reducing exposure.

> The slightest " hit " and detox turns off.

> -

a and --

Interesting -- this sounds and feels about right, in my subjective experience.

I will get a copy of Desperation Medicine.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

> Me neither, but Shoemaker is very clear on this point in Desperation

> Medicine. The CSM / bile binding salts have the proper molecular

> weight for biotoxin binding and transport.

> Psyllium is probably a good thing but people have tried it for many

> years without addressing the illness.

> My own personal worthless opinion that I've presented before on this

> board is that the body will not allow dissociation of toxins while in

> an inflammatory state.

> I believe this is why MCSers have to go to the desert to recover and

> have very limited success by merely reducing exposure.

> The slightest " hit " and detox turns off.

> -

a and --

Interesting -- this sounds and feels about right, in my subjective experience.

I will get a copy of Desperation Medicine.

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you have changed in the time frame from when you tested and

when you started the shots. Your reaction seems to be one of altered

levels of end points.

Angel

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 Gingersnap1964@... wrote:

> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:19:37 EDT

> From: Gingersnap1964@...

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: protocol with best results

>

> I just want to pass some info on what NOT to do. I went to try a new

> environmental doctor who did intradermal skin testing and set me up with

shots. I am

> now back to heating up, hives and asthma. I am waiting for my friend to take

me

> to the emergency room.I had recovered some just by avoidance and now I am

> back where I started and very upset.

> DONT DO ANY SHOTS!!!

> Janet

>

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

[Guest guest]

Sounds like you have changed in the time frame from when you tested and

when you started the shots. Your reaction seems to be one of altered

levels of end points.

Angel

On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 Gingersnap1964@... wrote:

> Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:19:37 EDT

> From: Gingersnap1964@...

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: protocol with best results

>

> I just want to pass some info on what NOT to do. I went to try a new

> environmental doctor who did intradermal skin testing and set me up with

shots. I am

> now back to heating up, hives and asthma. I am waiting for my friend to take

me

> to the emergency room.I had recovered some just by avoidance and now I am

> back where I started and very upset.

> DONT DO ANY SHOTS!!!

> Janet

>

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

[Guest guest]

HI - as you probably already know, Cholestyramine is

primarily a cholesterol-lowering drug which binds with bile acids ( &

cholesterol) in the GI tract for elimination.

Check out http://www.mold-survivor.com/suggestedtreatments.htm

concerning Cholestyramine:

" Cholestyramine has proven very successful if taken over a long

period of time, with very few complications. One major complaint is

constipation and nausea. The use of Cholestyramine has been highly

controversial, and only very experienced physicians should be

prescribing this. One common mistake is the amount of time from

mixing this powder to time of consumption, to alternative laxative

agents to take as this treatment can be very binding. In addition,

a successful treatment of Cholestyramine in treating invasive

mycotoxicosis generally takes several months, not 2 weeks. This is

why it should be overseen by an extremely experienced physician. "

As I've mentioned in previous posts, I've been taking Tanalbit and

Biocidin (by BioBotanical Research) for almost 5 weeks now. For

acidophilus, I take Primal Defense. I haven't had felt awful (i.e.

mild fevers or fatigue) for 4.5 weeks now. Although I'm also taking

other supplements & doing other " alternative medicine " , I attribute

my feeling great from the above 3 supplements.

From http://www.thewayup.com/products/0081.htm:

" The Tanalbit formula is a different approach for fighting yeast-

fungal overgrowth in the gastrointestinal mucous membranes. The

fungicidal effect of Tanalbit is strictly topical in the gut (mainly

the colon.) It is not absorbed into the blood stream and has no

systemic side effects. The active agent in Tanalbit is zinc-

salicylotamate. The tannates bind to the surface of the fungal cells

causing the fungus to lose its ability to stick to the wall of the

intestines or to multiply & establish a colony. The fungus

metabolism is then blocked, the cells clump together & eventually

die. "

From http://www.intensivenutrition.com/Tanalbit.htm:

" Tanalbit® is an effective, non-prescription plant tannin formula

for the treatment of Candidiasis and similar gastrointestinal

problems caused by bacterial and/or fungal infestations of the

gastrointestinal tract. "

The representatives at Intensive Nutrition (maker of Tanalbit) will

even send you samples if you request it.

> Hi a --

>

> Here's a recent quote from the mold-help.org board, responding to

threads on Cholestyramine and Dr. Shoemaker's protocols:

>

> " That is a good question. Cholestyramine can be very hard on the

system. Side effects include irregularity, mood

> swings, and impaired vision. For awhile, it was even banned by

the FDA. The main purpose of cholestyramine is to

> produce a detoxifying chemical called anoxanase. This chemical

can also be produced by taking 2 teaspoons of powdered

> psyllium hull twice a day. This is a much more natural

alternative. ... "

>

> Just more information for discussion, anyone with additional input

should contribute, please. I too am interested in Cholestyramine,

but it appears to

> have been examined by others with more experience than me.

>

> Regards,

>

>

[Guest guest]

HI - as you probably already know, Cholestyramine is

primarily a cholesterol-lowering drug which binds with bile acids ( &

cholesterol) in the GI tract for elimination.

Check out http://www.mold-survivor.com/suggestedtreatments.htm

concerning Cholestyramine:

" Cholestyramine has proven very successful if taken over a long

period of time, with very few complications. One major complaint is

constipation and nausea. The use of Cholestyramine has been highly

controversial, and only very experienced physicians should be

prescribing this. One common mistake is the amount of time from

mixing this powder to time of consumption, to alternative laxative

agents to take as this treatment can be very binding. In addition,

a successful treatment of Cholestyramine in treating invasive

mycotoxicosis generally takes several months, not 2 weeks. This is

why it should be overseen by an extremely experienced physician. "

As I've mentioned in previous posts, I've been taking Tanalbit and

Biocidin (by BioBotanical Research) for almost 5 weeks now. For

acidophilus, I take Primal Defense. I haven't had felt awful (i.e.

mild fevers or fatigue) for 4.5 weeks now. Although I'm also taking

other supplements & doing other " alternative medicine " , I attribute

my feeling great from the above 3 supplements.

From http://www.thewayup.com/products/0081.htm:

" The Tanalbit formula is a different approach for fighting yeast-

fungal overgrowth in the gastrointestinal mucous membranes. The

fungicidal effect of Tanalbit is strictly topical in the gut (mainly

the colon.) It is not absorbed into the blood stream and has no

systemic side effects. The active agent in Tanalbit is zinc-

salicylotamate. The tannates bind to the surface of the fungal cells

causing the fungus to lose its ability to stick to the wall of the

intestines or to multiply & establish a colony. The fungus

metabolism is then blocked, the cells clump together & eventually

die. "

From http://www.intensivenutrition.com/Tanalbit.htm:

" Tanalbit® is an effective, non-prescription plant tannin formula

for the treatment of Candidiasis and similar gastrointestinal

problems caused by bacterial and/or fungal infestations of the

gastrointestinal tract. "

The representatives at Intensive Nutrition (maker of Tanalbit) will

even send you samples if you request it.

> Hi a --

>

> Here's a recent quote from the mold-help.org board, responding to

threads on Cholestyramine and Dr. Shoemaker's protocols:

>

> " That is a good question. Cholestyramine can be very hard on the

system. Side effects include irregularity, mood

> swings, and impaired vision. For awhile, it was even banned by

the FDA. The main purpose of cholestyramine is to

> produce a detoxifying chemical called anoxanase. This chemical

can also be produced by taking 2 teaspoons of powdered

> psyllium hull twice a day. This is a much more natural

alternative. ... "

>

> Just more information for discussion, anyone with additional input

should contribute, please. I too am interested in Cholestyramine,

but it appears to

> have been examined by others with more experience than me.

>

> Regards,

>

>

[Guest guest]

I am behind on emails, but I think someone responded on this one, right? I can add that Questran doesn't seem to cause impaired vision - actually quite the opposite. This is the whole deal with Shoemaker using a visual accuity test every few days or weeks to see if you are getting better on the Questran.

As to an FDA recall, it had to do with the product purity or strength. There was some slip-up with the production at the factory - not good - but not really a basic problem with the medication. I assume this has been addressed.

a Carnes

> > I don't think psyillium and cholestyramine work the same way, and I don't think psyillim will work to remove toxins. I'm not a chemist. Perhaps could respond.> a CarnesHi a --Here's a recent quote from the mold-help.org board, responding to threads on Cholestyramine and Dr. Shoemaker's protocols:"That is a good question. Cholestyramine can be very hard on the system. Side effects include irregularity, mood swings, and impaired vision. For awhile, it was even banned by the FDA. The main purpose of cholestyramine is to produce a detoxifying chemical called anoxanase. This chemical can also be produced by taking 2 teaspoons of powdered psyllium hull twice a day. This is a much more natural alternative. ..."Just more information for discussion, anyone with additional input should contribute, please. I too am interested in Cholestyramine, but it appears to have been examined by others with more experience than me.Regards,

[Guest guest]

I am behind on emails, but I think someone responded on this one, right? I can add that Questran doesn't seem to cause impaired vision - actually quite the opposite. This is the whole deal with Shoemaker using a visual accuity test every few days or weeks to see if you are getting better on the Questran.

As to an FDA recall, it had to do with the product purity or strength. There was some slip-up with the production at the factory - not good - but not really a basic problem with the medication. I assume this has been addressed.

a Carnes

> > I don't think psyillium and cholestyramine work the same way, and I don't think psyillim will work to remove toxins. I'm not a chemist. Perhaps could respond.> a CarnesHi a --Here's a recent quote from the mold-help.org board, responding to threads on Cholestyramine and Dr. Shoemaker's protocols:"That is a good question. Cholestyramine can be very hard on the system. Side effects include irregularity, mood swings, and impaired vision. For awhile, it was even banned by the FDA. The main purpose of cholestyramine is to produce a detoxifying chemical called anoxanase. This chemical can also be produced by taking 2 teaspoons of powdered psyllium hull twice a day. This is a much more natural alternative. ..."Just more information for discussion, anyone with additional input should contribute, please. I too am interested in Cholestyramine, but it appears to have been examined by others with more experience than me.Regards,