Re: tests of air quality and blood?

[Guest guest]

>Hi,I am sorry to hear your home has mold.I have just gotten out of a mold

>infested workplace alittle over 2 months ago.The building I was in had visible

>toxic mold as well as in the HVAC. The testing was swabs and tape samples and

>the swabs were much more through also I think an air born test needed to be

>conducted.The building tested very high for Aspergillus then Stachy and

>Penicillum.My mycotoxin test ( Immunosciences Lab (310) 657-1077)

>showed very high

>Satratoxins and Trichothecene and high levels of Aflatoxins.I guess

>the Stachy over

>powers the the Aspergillus? I have done alot of treatments,detox and

>supplements and find saunas and sweat lodges to be the most

>helpful.A good resource is

>www.mold-survivor.com.Good luck with your tests, I know how confusing it can

>be.I was in denial for over a couple of years about how sick I was not knowing

>it was due to the mold. Fibromyalgia was one of my first diseases I wish I

>had known to leave before I got half a dozen more. Mari

>

Thanks a lot for those hints. The problem I have is that there are so

many parameters to evaluate in order to understand my illness. I know

I have a mercury poisoning from dental amalgams to start with. But I

have also been exposed to other toxic substances (such as PVC) and

now the last three years I have been exposed to mold (and mycotoxins

probably). The house even has creosote paper in the walls which is

said to emit PAH's. On the other hand, the creosote might have killed

off a few molds ...

We have tested organic material from the walls, so we know there

really is mold, but we have now improved ventilation and don't know

if the mold is still growing - we don't think so since the humidity

is 30-40 percent only. That's why it would be interesting to know

what actually comes out into the air we breathe.

I have a rustling sound in my lungs when I inhale and this has been

going on for four years, that is one year prior to our moving into

the mold afflicted house. At that time we lived in the central part

of Stockholm with a higher degree of air pollution and on top of that

tobacco smoke leaked into our apartment from our neighbors.

I also lived evacuated from the house for approx. six months last

year, to see of I would get any better. But I didn't. But maybe there

was mold also in the apartment I lived in then. Who knows?

So, a great many factors are involved here ...

Karl- Tallmo

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[Guest guest]

>Hi,I am sorry to hear your home has mold.I have just gotten out of a mold

>infested workplace alittle over 2 months ago.The building I was in had visible

>toxic mold as well as in the HVAC. The testing was swabs and tape samples and

>the swabs were much more through also I think an air born test needed to be

>conducted.The building tested very high for Aspergillus then Stachy and

>Penicillum.My mycotoxin test ( Immunosciences Lab (310) 657-1077)

>showed very high

>Satratoxins and Trichothecene and high levels of Aflatoxins.I guess

>the Stachy over

>powers the the Aspergillus? I have done alot of treatments,detox and

>supplements and find saunas and sweat lodges to be the most

>helpful.A good resource is

>www.mold-survivor.com.Good luck with your tests, I know how confusing it can

>be.I was in denial for over a couple of years about how sick I was not knowing

>it was due to the mold. Fibromyalgia was one of my first diseases I wish I

>had known to leave before I got half a dozen more. Mari

>

Thanks a lot for those hints. The problem I have is that there are so

many parameters to evaluate in order to understand my illness. I know

I have a mercury poisoning from dental amalgams to start with. But I

have also been exposed to other toxic substances (such as PVC) and

now the last three years I have been exposed to mold (and mycotoxins

probably). The house even has creosote paper in the walls which is

said to emit PAH's. On the other hand, the creosote might have killed

off a few molds ...

We have tested organic material from the walls, so we know there

really is mold, but we have now improved ventilation and don't know

if the mold is still growing - we don't think so since the humidity

is 30-40 percent only. That's why it would be interesting to know

what actually comes out into the air we breathe.

I have a rustling sound in my lungs when I inhale and this has been

going on for four years, that is one year prior to our moving into

the mold afflicted house. At that time we lived in the central part

of Stockholm with a higher degree of air pollution and on top of that

tobacco smoke leaked into our apartment from our neighbors.

I also lived evacuated from the house for approx. six months last

year, to see of I would get any better. But I didn't. But maybe there

was mold also in the apartment I lived in then. Who knows?

So, a great many factors are involved here ...

Karl- Tallmo

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[Guest guest]

>Hi Karl, I know how complicated toxic poisoning can get. Do you have MCS ? It

>was not til I went into anaphalaxis, coughed up blood and got MCS that I

>realized how sick I was. I also tested very high for metals( my test

>was a hair

>analysis sample). I am having all my amalgams removed by Dr. Morales

>in Mexico.

>He uses Dr. Hal Huggins protocol which is important in removing them safely.If

>you can get to saunas especially infra red it may help you detox especially

>your lungs.The www.mold-survivor.com website contains Dr. Hulda 's

>protocol for saunas.I am curious to know how European countries deal

>with mold. Good

>Luck, Mari

>

Yes, I think so. I am sensitive to tobacco smoke, other smoke, smoked

foods (such as smoked salmon), perfumes, other fumes, paint etc. I am

also sensitive to light and sound and even electromagnetic fields of

some sorts (from fluorescent tubes primarily and to some computer

screens, etc).

These sensitivities are not constant though. Some days I can stand it

if I am exposed to say tobacco smoke. Some days I can also enjoy loud

music, but other days I can't even stand the faint rustling from a

paper bag.

I removed my amalgams in 1991-92. Unfortunately it was done by a

dentist who did not use the necessary precautions, so this is

probably when I got exposed to most of the mercury. Since then I have

been taking antioxidants and other stuff from the detox protocol. I

sometimes have the feeling that I was somehow on the brink of getting

a bit better, when we decided to move from the bad air in the city

out into a small house with a nice garden in the suburbs. But this

house had mould instead, which probably is what made me worse again

....

Karl-

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[Guest guest]

>Hi Karl, I know how complicated toxic poisoning can get. Do you have MCS ? It

>was not til I went into anaphalaxis, coughed up blood and got MCS that I

>realized how sick I was. I also tested very high for metals( my test

>was a hair

>analysis sample). I am having all my amalgams removed by Dr. Morales

>in Mexico.

>He uses Dr. Hal Huggins protocol which is important in removing them safely.If

>you can get to saunas especially infra red it may help you detox especially

>your lungs.The www.mold-survivor.com website contains Dr. Hulda 's

>protocol for saunas.I am curious to know how European countries deal

>with mold. Good

>Luck, Mari

>

Yes, I think so. I am sensitive to tobacco smoke, other smoke, smoked

foods (such as smoked salmon), perfumes, other fumes, paint etc. I am

also sensitive to light and sound and even electromagnetic fields of

some sorts (from fluorescent tubes primarily and to some computer

screens, etc).

These sensitivities are not constant though. Some days I can stand it

if I am exposed to say tobacco smoke. Some days I can also enjoy loud

music, but other days I can't even stand the faint rustling from a

paper bag.

I removed my amalgams in 1991-92. Unfortunately it was done by a

dentist who did not use the necessary precautions, so this is

probably when I got exposed to most of the mercury. Since then I have

been taking antioxidants and other stuff from the detox protocol. I

sometimes have the feeling that I was somehow on the brink of getting

a bit better, when we decided to move from the bad air in the city

out into a small house with a nice garden in the suburbs. But this

house had mould instead, which probably is what made me worse again

....

Karl-

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[Guest guest]

Wow! That's about where I was in 1997 when I proposed my

crazy " Extreme Mycotoxin Avoidance " Strategy to Dr .

He told me that I was wrong, that I was " probably reactive to toxic

metals " and that my strategy wouldn't work.

Instead, I was mountain climbing within six months and my MCS was

gone.

When I returned to tell him of this amazing discovery he decided it

was completely irrelevant even though I told him that I perceived

mold on the clothing of his other CFS patients and that they were all

complaining of the same symptoms that led me to my conclusions.

I wanted to make sure that I had conveyed this clearly so I told his

research assistant the same thing and the response was " How very nice

for you that you found something that helped. "

And that was it.

They decided not to try to help anybody else in the way that this

bizarreness helped me.

Dr s own receptionist said " It is criminal that he isn't

looking into your information " .

At least there was one smart person in that office!

But of course, nobody else - including people dying of mold have been

interested either. I told this story on this board back in 2001 and

it got about the same response that I got from the doctors.

Nothing.

-

[Guest guest]

Wow! That's about where I was in 1997 when I proposed my

crazy " Extreme Mycotoxin Avoidance " Strategy to Dr .

He told me that I was wrong, that I was " probably reactive to toxic

metals " and that my strategy wouldn't work.

Instead, I was mountain climbing within six months and my MCS was

gone.

When I returned to tell him of this amazing discovery he decided it

was completely irrelevant even though I told him that I perceived

mold on the clothing of his other CFS patients and that they were all

complaining of the same symptoms that led me to my conclusions.

I wanted to make sure that I had conveyed this clearly so I told his

research assistant the same thing and the response was " How very nice

for you that you found something that helped. "

And that was it.

They decided not to try to help anybody else in the way that this

bizarreness helped me.

Dr s own receptionist said " It is criminal that he isn't

looking into your information " .

At least there was one smart person in that office!

But of course, nobody else - including people dying of mold have been

interested either. I told this story on this board back in 2001 and

it got about the same response that I got from the doctors.

Nothing.

-

[Guest guest]

Dear Mari:

True MCS can not be *GOTTEN RID OF*. It effects organ systems, there is

toxic encephalopahty, compromising of the blood brain barrier (which can

not grow back). What you can *GET* is a calming down of your systems

hyperreactivity from major time periods of avoidance.

As soon as someone says they have gotten cured of MCS you know it was

not true MCS. Mostly likely they had allergies. As MCS is NOT an allergy

and can not be handled with shots etc.

There is not a single case on record on anyone with MCS ever getting

cured, they have abated a lot of the symptoms from exposures but they are

still sick. This is a lifetime illness and it's just a matter of degrees.

Angel

On Thu, 13 May 2004 anorientaldancer@... wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:03:10 EDT

> From: anorientaldancer@...

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: tests of air quality and blood?

>

> Hi , How did you get rid of MCS? It is funny how mold victims can sense

> mold on others.Forget the mold sniffing dogs we moldies could find the mold no

> one can see. Although none of us would want to be near mold for any amount of

> money. I hope the man who charges $10,000 for his mold sniffing dogs plans to

> use all of that $ towards vet bills when his precious pups get sick. Mari

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Mari:

True MCS can not be *GOTTEN RID OF*. It effects organ systems, there is

toxic encephalopahty, compromising of the blood brain barrier (which can

not grow back). What you can *GET* is a calming down of your systems

hyperreactivity from major time periods of avoidance.

As soon as someone says they have gotten cured of MCS you know it was

not true MCS. Mostly likely they had allergies. As MCS is NOT an allergy

and can not be handled with shots etc.

There is not a single case on record on anyone with MCS ever getting

cured, they have abated a lot of the symptoms from exposures but they are

still sick. This is a lifetime illness and it's just a matter of degrees.

Angel

On Thu, 13 May 2004 anorientaldancer@... wrote:

> Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:03:10 EDT

> From: anorientaldancer@...

> Reply-

>

> Subject: Re: [] Re: tests of air quality and blood?

>

> Hi , How did you get rid of MCS? It is funny how mold victims can sense

> mold on others.Forget the mold sniffing dogs we moldies could find the mold no

> one can see. Although none of us would want to be near mold for any amount of

> money. I hope the man who charges $10,000 for his mold sniffing dogs plans to

> use all of that $ towards vet bills when his precious pups get sick. Mari

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> There is not a single case on record on anyone with MCS ever getting

> cured, they have abated a lot of the symptoms from exposures but

they are

> still sick. This is a lifetime illness and it's just a matter of

degrees.

>

> Angel

Yup. That's what of CIIN told me too.

And Dr told me " You are a Universal Reactor and at your

level of chemical sensitivity, life is basically unbearable " and that

ampligen was my only hope.

But now I drive a diesel truck, work right here at this computer that

used to knock me flat and have no problems driving past the auto

paint shops which I had to detour around.

Perhaps that's not " getting rid of MCS " but it's good enough for me.

I was amazed enough when this " MCS " stopped bothering me through a

strategy of extreme mycotoxin avoidance that I made the effort to

speak in front of various CFS groups and contact people like Grace

Ziem who didn't seem to think my story was worth listening to.

They are quite sure that everything I say is impossible.

Thank God for America where we are free to believe anything we want!

-

[Guest guest]

> There is not a single case on record on anyone with MCS ever getting

> cured, they have abated a lot of the symptoms from exposures but

they are

> still sick. This is a lifetime illness and it's just a matter of

degrees.

>

> Angel

Yup. That's what of CIIN told me too.

And Dr told me " You are a Universal Reactor and at your

level of chemical sensitivity, life is basically unbearable " and that

ampligen was my only hope.

But now I drive a diesel truck, work right here at this computer that

used to knock me flat and have no problems driving past the auto

paint shops which I had to detour around.

Perhaps that's not " getting rid of MCS " but it's good enough for me.

I was amazed enough when this " MCS " stopped bothering me through a

strategy of extreme mycotoxin avoidance that I made the effort to

speak in front of various CFS groups and contact people like Grace

Ziem who didn't seem to think my story was worth listening to.

They are quite sure that everything I say is impossible.

Thank God for America where we are free to believe anything we want!

-

[Guest guest]

YOuhave to understand mold and chemical injury are not the ame. One can

exacerbate the other and act in a synergistic effect.

Grace is very welol respected in the chemical injury arena and those with

mold injury have different areas of *attack*.

I lecture to CFS/Fibro groups and their symptoms act up when the wind

blows and the pollen count is high.

There is one thing that they have finally accepted there was a chemcial

assault aspect to their condition.

On Fri, 14 May 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:26:17 -0000

> From: erik_johnson_96140 <erikj6@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: tests of air quality and blood?

>

>

> > There is not a single case on record on anyone with MCS ever getting

> > cured, they have abated a lot of the symptoms from exposures but

> they are

> > still sick. This is a lifetime illness and it's just a matter of

> degrees.

> >

> > Angel

>

> Yup. That's what of CIIN told me too.

> And Dr told me " You are a Universal Reactor and at your

> level of chemical sensitivity, life is basically unbearable " and that

> ampligen was my only hope.

> But now I drive a diesel truck, work right here at this computer that

> used to knock me flat and have no problems driving past the auto

> paint shops which I had to detour around.

> Perhaps that's not " getting rid of MCS " but it's good enough for me.

> I was amazed enough when this " MCS " stopped bothering me through a

> strategy of extreme mycotoxin avoidance that I made the effort to

> speak in front of various CFS groups and contact people like Grace

> Ziem who didn't seem to think my story was worth listening to.

> They are quite sure that everything I say is impossible.

> Thank God for America where we are free to believe anything we want!

> -

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

YOuhave to understand mold and chemical injury are not the ame. One can

exacerbate the other and act in a synergistic effect.

Grace is very welol respected in the chemical injury arena and those with

mold injury have different areas of *attack*.

I lecture to CFS/Fibro groups and their symptoms act up when the wind

blows and the pollen count is high.

There is one thing that they have finally accepted there was a chemcial

assault aspect to their condition.

On Fri, 14 May 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

> Date: Fri, 14 May 2004 15:26:17 -0000

> From: erik_johnson_96140 <erikj6@...>

> Reply-

>

> Subject: [] Re: tests of air quality and blood?

>

>

> > There is not a single case on record on anyone with MCS ever getting

> > cured, they have abated a lot of the symptoms from exposures but

> they are

> > still sick. This is a lifetime illness and it's just a matter of

> degrees.

> >

> > Angel

>

> Yup. That's what of CIIN told me too.

> And Dr told me " You are a Universal Reactor and at your

> level of chemical sensitivity, life is basically unbearable " and that

> ampligen was my only hope.

> But now I drive a diesel truck, work right here at this computer that

> used to knock me flat and have no problems driving past the auto

> paint shops which I had to detour around.

> Perhaps that's not " getting rid of MCS " but it's good enough for me.

> I was amazed enough when this " MCS " stopped bothering me through a

> strategy of extreme mycotoxin avoidance that I made the effort to

> speak in front of various CFS groups and contact people like Grace

> Ziem who didn't seem to think my story was worth listening to.

> They are quite sure that everything I say is impossible.

> Thank God for America where we are free to believe anything we want!

> -

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>

> YOuhave to understand mold and chemical injury are not the ame.

One can

> exacerbate the other and act in a synergistic effect.

Molds produce mycotoxins.

Mycotoxins ARE chemicals.

Mycotoxin reactivity IS chemical sensitivity.

-

[Guest guest]

>

> YOuhave to understand mold and chemical injury are not the ame.

One can

> exacerbate the other and act in a synergistic effect.

Molds produce mycotoxins.

Mycotoxins ARE chemicals.

Mycotoxin reactivity IS chemical sensitivity.

-

[Guest guest]

Hiw can you drink lots of beer? I cannot! All my symptims come back with all

the yeast and hopps??

[Guest guest]

Hiw can you drink lots of beer? I cannot! All my symptims come back with all

the yeast and hopps??

[Guest guest]

..I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. There is a

difference. I am going to leave it at that.

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

On Fri, 14 May 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

>

> >

> > YOuhave to understand mold and chemical injury are not the ame.

> One can

> > exacerbate the other and act in a synergistic effect.

>

> Molds produce mycotoxins.

> Mycotoxins ARE chemicals.

> Mycotoxin reactivity IS chemical sensitivity.

> -

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

..I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. There is a

difference. I am going to leave it at that.

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

On Fri, 14 May 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

>

> >

> > YOuhave to understand mold and chemical injury are not the ame.

> One can

> > exacerbate the other and act in a synergistic effect.

>

> Molds produce mycotoxins.

> Mycotoxins ARE chemicals.

> Mycotoxin reactivity IS chemical sensitivity.

> -

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

> ..I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. There

is a difference. I am going to leave it at that.

Good thing! I drink lots of beer.

But please, if there is a difference, what is it?

-

[Guest guest]

> ..I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. There

is a difference. I am going to leave it at that.

Good thing! I drink lots of beer.

But please, if there is a difference, what is it?

-

[Guest guest]

It is way too complicated to give a1,2,3 answer.

Beswt thing is for you to pick up a book on mycotoxins and the chemicals

they release. Then pick up the book Chemical Brain Injury by Kaye

Kilburn, MD, and Low Level High Stakes by , MD.

Thats the only honest answer I can give you.

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

On Sat, 15 May 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

>

> > ..I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. There

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> Good thing! I drink lots of beer.

> But please, if there is a difference, what is it?

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It is way too complicated to give a1,2,3 answer.

Beswt thing is for you to pick up a book on mycotoxins and the chemicals

they release. Then pick up the book Chemical Brain Injury by Kaye

Kilburn, MD, and Low Level High Stakes by , MD.

Thats the only honest answer I can give you.

" If having endured much, we at last asserted our 'right to know' and if,

knowing, we have concluded that we are being asked to take senseless and

frightening risks, then we should no longer accept the counsel of those

who tell us that we must fill our world with poisonous chemicals, we

should look around and see what other course is open to us. "

Carson

" My toxicasa (world) is your toxicasa (world). "

Judith Goode

On Sat, 15 May 2004, erik_johnson_96140 wrote:

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> > ..I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. There

> is a difference. I am going to leave it at that.

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> Good thing! I drink lots of beer.

> But please, if there is a difference, what is it?

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This made my day!

a Carnes

> ..I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. There

is a difference. I am going to leave it at that.

Good thing! I drink lots of beer.

But please, if there is a difference, what is it?

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[Guest guest]

This made my day!

a Carnes

> ..I am not going to get into a pissing contest with you. There

is a difference. I am going to leave it at that.

Good thing! I drink lots of beer.

But please, if there is a difference, what is it?

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[Guest guest]

> It is way too complicated to give a1,2,3 answer.

When you said " synergism " , I thought perhaps you knew the answer.

Understanding that concept was a key principle in my

accomplishing " The Impossible " .

I was yelling this at Dr so many years ago trying to get him

to understand how important this was and he just shut off his brain.

When somebody does " The Impossible " like recovering from MCS or

walking out of an NIH CFS Ampligen study to return to mountain

climbing, people just look at that and refuse to consider that it

might be possible and just dismiss it from their minds.

Even though I discovered this " effect " on my own despite the

contradictions of virtually every doctor, researcher or person I

spoke to, since this is a paradigm shift, I soon found others who had

discovered the same thing and were trying to help others.

like Rick M.S. of Lawrence Livermore lab. He had traveled to

CFS groups just like I did and got shot down so hard (just like me)

that he stopped trying to help.

Rick could have told people about the mycotoxin effect at any time

since at least 1994 but they simply refused to listen.

I guess I'm a bit slower than Rick because I keep hanging in there

and getting slammed.

But the effect of the " synergism' is quite uncomplicated.

Molds utilize the principles of biological conservation of energy to

metabolize complex molecules available from chemicals into

potentiated " supertoxins " .

Mycotoxins and chemicals are the same - only more so!

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