Re: WHERE'S THE MOLD??

April 3, 2004

I thought of linens too. Often tablecloths and napkins are stored there.

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----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Klein

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [] WHERE'S THE MOLD??

1. Ventillation system

2. Are any pipes in the walls of the room - could be slow leak

3. Any history of roof leak into that room?

4. Is the room carpeted? Could be old, soaking of carpet.

5. Are there any contaminated items, materials, books, pieces of furnature that are now in dining room that may have been in one of your contaminated areas? Books and other paper items are a good source of cross contamination.

6. Is there anything in the dining room that you may no be reacting to, that you didn't in the post.

7. If you sniff around the room is there one area that you get a stronger reaction?

ph P. Klein, Sr., M.D.shainaraisa <shanaraisa@...> wrote: If your body is telling you there is mold and it is making you feel very sick, but you cannot see it, and air tests don't show it, what do you do?? Here is my story: Last month, I had my garage and my basement remediated for stachy. After about three weeks ( and I guess the reduction of residual spores in the air) I began to notice some improvement in my reactivity in most of the house, although I most definitely still sensed (through my reactions) the presence of spores. Over the last couple of weeks there is however a revolting development. There is now a strong mold smell in the dining room, which had never beentroublesome before the remediation. I actually am reacting in that room to the same degree as I reacted (pre-remediation) when ever I went in the room which was above the (stachy) garage. My body is definitely telling me there is mold in this room. And my body never seems to be wrong. I knew there was mold somewhere in the house even before they found the high level of stachy in the garage. I knew there was mold somewhere in the kitchen even though the air tests were great. But I was proved right when they found it under the refrigerator. I knew it was in the basement before they found it, because anytime anyone came within two feet of me after having been in the basement I reacted. And now I am absolutely positive there is mold somewhere in the dining room. There is no visible mold anywhere. The air tests in my house always come back good because I have a house full of air filters running 24/7. (For example, The air tests before remediation showed no stachy spores in the room directly above the garage, even though I became extremely ill if I went into it). The dining room is located on the first floor, directly above the basement, but is not contiguous with the garage. Any opinions out there? Is this just some sort of awful conincidence, or is this mold somehow related to that which was previously remediated? In any event, what can be done? If you cannot see the mold, and there is no showing on an air sample, but your body knows there is mold (and probably stachy) in that room, what do you do? I know it is there - probably in the walls, but tearing out the entire room is definitely not an option, without substantiation by something other than my body, that it is present. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated...Jeri

April 3, 2004

I thought of linens too. Often tablecloths and napkins are stored there.

a

----- Original Message -----

From: Joe Klein

Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:51 PM

Subject: Re: [] WHERE'S THE MOLD??

1. Ventillation system

2. Are any pipes in the walls of the room - could be slow leak

3. Any history of roof leak into that room?

4. Is the room carpeted? Could be old, soaking of carpet.

5. Are there any contaminated items, materials, books, pieces of furnature that are now in dining room that may have been in one of your contaminated areas? Books and other paper items are a good source of cross contamination.

6. Is there anything in the dining room that you may no be reacting to, that you didn't in the post.

7. If you sniff around the room is there one area that you get a stronger reaction?

ph P. Klein, Sr., M.D.shainaraisa <shanaraisa@...> wrote: If your body is telling you there is mold and it is making you feel very sick, but you cannot see it, and air tests don't show it, what do you do?? Here is my story: Last month, I had my garage and my basement remediated for stachy. After about three weeks ( and I guess the reduction of residual spores in the air) I began to notice some improvement in my reactivity in most of the house, although I most definitely still sensed (through my reactions) the presence of spores. Over the last couple of weeks there is however a revolting development. There is now a strong mold smell in the dining room, which had never beentroublesome before the remediation. I actually am reacting in that room to the same degree as I reacted (pre-remediation) when ever I went in the room which was above the (stachy) garage. My body is definitely telling me there is mold in this room. And my body never seems to be wrong. I knew there was mold somewhere in the house even before they found the high level of stachy in the garage. I knew there was mold somewhere in the kitchen even though the air tests were great. But I was proved right when they found it under the refrigerator. I knew it was in the basement before they found it, because anytime anyone came within two feet of me after having been in the basement I reacted. And now I am absolutely positive there is mold somewhere in the dining room. There is no visible mold anywhere. The air tests in my house always come back good because I have a house full of air filters running 24/7. (For example, The air tests before remediation showed no stachy spores in the room directly above the garage, even though I became extremely ill if I went into it). The dining room is located on the first floor, directly above the basement, but is not contiguous with the garage. Any opinions out there? Is this just some sort of awful conincidence, or is this mold somehow related to that which was previously remediated? In any event, what can be done? If you cannot see the mold, and there is no showing on an air sample, but your body knows there is mold (and probably stachy) in that room, what do you do? I know it is there - probably in the walls, but tearing out the entire room is definitely not an option, without substantiation by something other than my body, that it is present. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated...Jeri

April 3, 2004

You act in accordance with your perceptions and conduct avoidance to

the degree that you feel is appropriate to your degree of distress.

I've been of far more help to doctors than they ever were to me.

In my doctor visits I've found several contaminated doctors offices

full of people complaining of symptoms of mold illness and they

didn't have a clue. Sometimes they suspected mold but suppressed

their suspicions as soon as the doctor told them " That's impossible " .

Instead of getting help I wound up giving them a mold education.

My thanks has been to be charged for my visits and no further

communication unless I want to pay in order to enlighten them further.

One of these doctors I gave an mold education to is an author of a

well known CFS book; " Solving the puzzle of CFS. "

I had a wonderful conversation with his receptionist who clearly was

suffering from mold in her bathroom. When I explained that killing

Stachybotrys did not neutralize its toxicity she seemed interested.

However that interest disappeared when Dr Rosenbaum consulted " mold

experts " and then advised us to " Just spray bleach and forget it " .

I immediately left his practice of course but sometimes I wonder how

his receptionist is doing.

Of course you already know about my efforts to convey this to Dr

and Dr Cheney.

I think one of my best stories is finding a spore plume in Dr

Marinkovich's reception room.

There is more than enough evidence to show that we " mold sensitives "

are responding in exactly the way we claim.

Now we just need to get doctors to comprehend this.

It's amazing to have these arguments with doctors when you already

know that you are just expressing the reality and the argument is

moot - the outcome is certain.

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April 3, 2004