Guest guest Posted September 24, 2001 Report Share Posted September 24, 2001 This " poem " was forwarded to me by a friend. I, personally, don't think it's appropriate or in any way cute or funny. I take offense with the whole " turban wearing " " desert dweller " stereotype of the people responsible for the U.S. attacks. I think our country is in such a state of shock that the last thing we need is to create further separation from the Arab-American or Indian- American or any Muslim for that matter who chooses to wear a turban to be branded and perceived as a part of the terrorist attacks. As I pointed out to the friend who sent this to me... it's not like the U.S. doesn't have it's own issues with terrorism; Oklahoma City bombing, many school shootings, drive-by shootings, women/children being abducted and raped daily, etc. Let us please avoid the " US " versus " them " sydrome. Let us rise above and see that the terrorists are no more akin to Islam as the KKK or Hitler is to Christianity. Sherri Vaccinations wrote: > > There is 1 message in this issue. > > Topics in this digest: > > 1. U-Ville OT about attacks on Sept 11,2001 A story for children > From: " Laurie L " <boldml@...> > > ________________________________________________________________________ > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 02:46:31 -0400 > From: " Laurie L " <boldml@...> > Subject: U-Ville OT about attacks on Sept 11,2001 A story for children > > Does this idea seem a little familiar? > > Subject: The Binch story! > The gentleman who wrote this, Rob Suggs, is a children's author and > illustrator. He works a lot with the children at Children's Healthcare > of Atlanta. He is able to " lighten their load " through his art and story > telling therapy...he's a wonderful guy. The children obviously are asking questions about the dire circumstances we are in, as well as the adults. This is what he has written to further explain the situation to the children he is working with in the hospitals...adapted from a classic story " How the Grinch Stole Christmas " > The Binch > By: Rob Suggs > Date: September 13, 2001 > > Every U down in Uville liked U.S. a lot, > But the Binch, who lived Far East of Uville, did not. > The Binch hated U.S! the whole U.S. way! > Now don't ask me why, for nobody can say, > It could be his turban was screwed on too tight. > Or the sun from the desert had beaten too bright > But I think that the most likely reason of all > May have been that his heart was two sizes too small. > > But, Whatever the reason, his heart or his turban, > He stood facing Uville, the part that was urban. > " They're doing their business, " he snarled from his perch. > " They're raising their families! They're going to church! > They're leading the world, and their empire is thriving, > I MUST keep the S's and U's from surviving! " > > Tomorrow, he knew, all the U's and the S's, > Would put on their pants and their shirts and their dresses, > They'd go to their offices, playgrounds and schools, > And abide by their U and S values and rules, > > And then they'd do something he liked least of all, > Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small, > Would stand all united, each U and each S, > And they'd sing Uville's anthem, " God bless us! God bless! " > All around their Twin Towers of Uville, they'd stand, > and their voices would drown every sound in the land. > > " I must stop that singing, " Binch said with a smirk, > And he had an idea--an idea that might work! > The Binch stole some U airplanes in U morning hours, > And crashed them right into the Uville Twin Towers. > " They'll wake to disaster! " he snickered, so sour, > " And how can they sing when they can't find a tower? " > > The Binch cocked his ear as they woke from their sleeping, > All set to enjoy their U-wailing and weeping, > Instead he heard something that started quite low, > And it built up quite slow, but it started to grow-- > And the Binch heard the most unpredictable thing... > And he couldn't believe it--they started to sing! > > He stared down at U-ville, not trusting his eyes, > What he saw was a shocking, disgusting surprise! > Every U down in U-ville, the tall and the small, > Was singing! Without any towers at all! > He HADN'T stopped U-Ville from singing! It sung! > For down deep in the hearts of the old and the young, > Those Twin Towers were standing, called Hope and called Pride, > And you can't smash the towers we hold deep inside. > > So we circle the sites where our heroes did fall, > With a hand in each hand of the tall and the small, > And we mourn for our losses while knowing we'll cope, > For we still have inside that U-Pride and U-Hope. > > For America means a bit more than tall towers, > It means more than wealth or political powers, > It's more than our enemies ever could guess, > So may God bless America! Bless us! God bless! > > > > > ________________________________________________ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 You have a point and this was insensitive of me and I apologize...I took it as meaning this particular individual(bin Laden) and not the Arabs in general. My midwife's hubby is Arabic and my favorite resaurant(one of 'em) is Al Ameer. When we go in there, the adults who pass by place their hands on our chilren's heads to bless them and I do not worry about my children's safety in their neighborhoods as much as I do in mine! There are evil people in every race and I am nauseated when I hear about the crimes against Americans who look Arabic(or anything except caucasian). It's disgusting and I sure don't want to encourage discrimination. As far as I am concerned, we are all Americans with American ideals and priviliges and rights until each individual is proven guilty...for whatever crime. Laurie This " poem " was forwarded to me by a friend. I, personally, don't think it's appropriate or in any way cute or funny. I take offense with the whole " turban wearing " " desert dweller " stereotype of the people responsible for the U.S. attacks. I think our country is in such a state of shock that the last thing we need is to create further separation from the Arab-American or Indian- American or any Muslim for that matter who chooses to wear a turban to be branded and perceived as a part of the terrorist attacks. As I pointed out to the friend who sent this to me... it's not like the U.S. doesn't have it's own issues with terrorism; Oklahoma City bombing, many school shootings, drive-by shootings, women/children being abducted and raped daily, etc. Let us please avoid the " US " versus " them " sydrome. Let us rise above and see that the terrorists are no more akin to Islam as the KKK or Hitler is to Christianity. Sherri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 Thanks Betty, Marge, Rose, Nanci and all re the skin tips! Yup, I'm at THAT age-49. Unfortunately, I'm allergic to lanolin, so can't use the Corona. Growing up on a dairy farm where Bag Balm was used, I agree, it's a great thing. I do the lotions and creams right after the shower, but I think I need to do it during the day and slather them on at night, too. I am plagued with rashes here and there, so have to be careful to use only potions with no fragrance designed for sensitve skin. I do have an appt. with my dermy in January, so we'll see what he says about my skin. I also got my minocycline from him, but not for acne, real or otherwise He was just willing to go along with me and give it a try. Oh- I'm taking fish oil capsules, and was hoping I'd see some improvement in the dry skin from that. I know I'm not taking enough of it, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2002 Report Share Posted December 20, 2002 I've got the vit C here, and need to get more serious about taking it daily. I do forget........ thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2002 Report Share Posted December 21, 2002 Hi ,I grew up on a dairy farm ,used a lot of bag balm.What the pharmacy sell is not nearly like that used for the cows.Anyhow,have you tried castor oil,it does wonders for dry skin and has antiseptic and healing propetties. Lynne gide672@... wrote: > Thanks Betty, Marge, Rose, Nanci and all re the skin tips! Yup, I'm at THAT > age-49. Unfortunately, I'm allergic to lanolin, so can't use the Corona. > Growing up on a dairy farm where Bag Balm was used, I agree, it's a great > thing. I do the lotions and creams right after the shower, but I think I need > to do it during the day and slather them on at night, too. I am plagued with > rashes here and there, so have to be careful to use only potions with no > fragrance designed for sensitve skin. I do have an appt. with my dermy in > January, so we'll see what he says about my skin. I also got my minocycline > from him, but not for acne, real or otherwise He was just willing to go > along with me and give it a try. > Oh- I'm taking fish oil capsules, and was hoping I'd see some improvement > in the dry skin from that. I know I'm not taking enough of it, though. > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 22, 2003 Report Share Posted May 22, 2003 >>> My daughter (2 years, PDD) has been on AFP for 7 days and NF for 4 days. Today at lunch I let her have some yogurt (Dannon - Lemon). Within about 10-15 minutes, before she was even finished eating, she broke out in hives around her mouth and chin - everywhere that the yogurt had touched her face. She had been GF/CF for 15 months until today. She had milk products before, but never had this reaction.<<< This is the same reaction my son (ASD) has from eating dairy. It is a true allergic reaction. Enzymes don't help with allergies so it would best to keep her off dairy. My daughter (NT) had the same allergy but she outgrew it around age 2 and has been fine ever since. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Sharon, Curves is great,, at least the one I went to was... used it consistently (3x/week) for a full year then decided to take a break from it. A great place to meet people and get aerobic + strength exercise at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 8:01:51 AM Eastern Daylight Time, low dose naltrexone writes: I even went back through some old posts (up to 2004) and found alot of people with this problem, even people getting cramping/spasms when they had none before. So I just need to find a solution to the cramping. I've tried quinine pills, calcium/mag., etc. and I may go back on baclofen Annette SInce Calcium without enough Magnesium can cause cramping, why would you add more calciu?. Have you tried reducing Calcium and increasing Magnesium for a while? mjh"The Basil Book"http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 I would love to participate in an online meeting. I am on my 4th day of LDN at 3 mg and I have no adverse effects and feel some minor improvements already. Because my doctor is not too available or knowledgeable about LDN ( I think) it would be great to know when it is a good thing to increase from 3mg to 4.5mg, or if I should leave well enough alone for the time being. I also would like to know if I should continue with my methotrexate or if it will undermine the LDN. These topics would be of real interest to me. Thank you... Joyce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 I've just been doing the 1000 mg of Calcium at night. How much Magnesium would you recommend?? I have heard it can be helpful, but don't know how much to take maximum in a 24 hour period. Thanks, Annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Joyce, I am very new here, only on LDN for 7 weeks, but I am pretty sure that I've read methotrexate and LDN work against each other. Doesn't methotrexate suppress the immune system, and LDN boosts the immune system? Maybe someone with more familiarity with MS drugs will come along with their experience. Good luck. Annette Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 6:57:38 PM Central Daylight Time, DollsEsq@... writes: Thank you Cyndi. I did call and they said that it is safe to take the methotrexate with the LDN, but what I am interested in is whether that is a smart thing to do to treat the progression of the MS. Joyce +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Joyce, Methotrexate is Novantrone (chemo), isn't it? I have read where it has been said that since chemo pulls the immune system down and LDN tries to regulate it that the two cancel each other out. Now keep in mind, I'm not a doctor, so don't quote me. I could be mistaken. Ask . Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 In a message dated 4/15/2006 6:57:38 PM Central Daylight Time, DollsEsq@... writes: Thank you Cyndi. I did call and they said that it is safe to take the methotrexate with the LDN, but what I am interested in is whether that is a smart thing to do to treat the progression of the MS. Joyce +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Joyce, Methotrexate is Novantrone (chemo), isn't it? I have read where it has been said that since chemo pulls the immune system down and LDN tries to regulate it that the two cancel each other out. Now keep in mind, I'm not a doctor, so don't quote me. I could be mistaken. Ask . Marcie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 > > Joyce, > I am very new here, only on LDN for 7 weeks, but I am pretty sure that > I've read methotrexate and LDN work against each other. Doesn't methotrexate > suppress the immune system, and LDN boosts the immune system? Maybe someone with > more familiarity with MS drugs will come along with their experience. Good > luck. > Annette > -- Methotrexate suppresses the immune system and should not be used along with LDN. Artie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Thank you all for the advice. I really do not want to be treating myself but it is so hard to get answers from my doctors. I think I will stay on the 3 mg until next month when I go back to my Neuro MS specialist and see what I can find out. Can any patients of Dr. Bihari in NYC tell me if he is accepting patients; and if not is there another doctor in his practice who is also an LDN expert who is accepting patients for consultations? And is Bill and PA or an RN? Joyce --4 days and pretty satisfied so far ) > > > > Joyce, > > I am very new here, only on LDN for 7 weeks, but I am pretty > sure that > > I've read methotrexate and LDN work against each other. Doesn't > methotrexate > > suppress the immune system, and LDN boosts the immune system? > Maybe someone with > > more familiarity with MS drugs will come along with their > experience. Good > > luck. > > Annette > > > > -- > > Methotrexate suppresses the immune system and should not be used > along with LDN. > > Artie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 you can also call the your pharmacist and have this conversation.cyndiOn Apr 15, 2006, at 7:14 PM, dollsesq wrote: Thank you all for the advice. I really do not want to be treating myself but it is so hard to get answers from my doctors. I think I will stay on the 3 mg until next month when I go back to my Neuro MS specialist and see what I can find out. Can any patients of Dr. Bihari in NYC tell me if he is accepting patients; and if not is there another doctor in his practice who is also an LDN expert who is accepting patients for consultations? And is Bill and PA or an RN? Joyce --4 days and pretty satisfied so far ) > > > > Joyce, > >   I am very new here, only on LDN for 7 weeks, but I am pretty > sure that > > I've read methotrexate and LDN work against each other. Doesn't > methotrexate > > suppress the immune system, and LDN boosts the immune system? > Maybe someone with > > more familiarity with MS drugs will come along with their > experience. Good > > luck. > >   Annette > > > > -- > > Methotrexate suppresses the immune system and should not be used > along with LDN. > > Artie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Thank you Cyndi. I did call and they said that it is safe to take the methotrexate with the LDN, but what I am interested in is whether that is a smart thing to do to treat the progression of the MS. Joyce > > > > > > > > Joyce, > > > > I am very new here, only on LDN for 7 weeks, but I am pretty > > > sure that > > > > I've read methotrexate and LDN work against each other. Doesn't > > > methotrexate > > > > suppress the immune system, and LDN boosts the immune system? > > > Maybe someone with > > > > more familiarity with MS drugs will come along with their > > > experience. Good > > > > luck. > > > > Annette > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Methotrexate suppresses the immune system and should not be used > > > along with LDN. > > > > > > Artie > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Joyce, Your Pharmacist told you it was OK to take the two of them? I remember seeing many conversations on this list about taking Methotrexate and LDN together. I was under the impression that you shouldn't take the two together. LDN boosts the immune system and Methotrexate (a form of Chemo) suppresses it. They would in effect cancel each other out. But I've been wrong before. For what it's worth, .... helpful support groups for people with MS LDN_Users low dose naltrexone mscured TheChronicIllnessCafe On Apr 15, 2006, at 7:56 PM, dollsesq wrote: > Thank you Cyndi. I did call and they said that it is safe to take > the methotrexate with the LDN, but what I am interested in is whether > that is a smart thing to do to treat the progression of the MS. > > Joyce > > >>>>> >>>>> Joyce, >>>>> I am very new here, only on LDN for 7 weeks, but I am > pretty >>>> sure that >>>>> I've read methotrexate and LDN work against each other. > Doesn't >>>> methotrexate >>>>> suppress the immune system, and LDN boosts the immune system? >>>> Maybe someone with >>>>> more familiarity with MS drugs will come along with their >>>> experience. Good >>>>> luck. >>>>> Annette >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> Methotrexate suppresses the immune system and should not be used >>>> along with LDN. >>>> >>>> Artie >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 I have been told not to take LDN with any opoids or steroids. But when I asked about Copaxaon and methotrexate I was told that those are okay. However, I believe they were talking about safety, not about the effectiveness of the drugs. This is so confusing...I will try with the doctor and pharmacist again on Monday as nobody is around this holiday weekend. Which reminds me to say Happy Easter and Passover to those observing. Joyce > > In a message dated 4/15/2006 6:57:38 PM Central Daylight Time, > DollsEsq@... writes: > > > > > > Thank you Cyndi. I did call and they said that it is safe to take > > the methotrexate with the LDN, but what I am interested in is whether > > that is a smart thing to do to treat the progression of the MS. > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Joyce, > > Methotrexate is Novantrone (chemo), isn't it? I have read where it has been > said that since chemo pulls the immune system down and LDN tries to regulate > it that the two cancel each other out. Now keep in mind, I'm not a doctor, so > don't quote me. I could be mistaken. Ask . > > Marcie > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Joyce, Just a word of caution......Experience has proven to me that when it comes to meds, Always listen to the pharmacist. It is more there job to know about the meds. Doctors, no matter how well meaning, can be rather ignorant. I have called skip and have talked to local pharmacists b4 trusting the judgement of the doctor. 2 --- dollsesq <DollsEsq@...> wrote: > I have been told not to take LDN with any opoids or > steroids. But > when I asked about Copaxaon and methotrexate I was > told that those > are okay. However, I believe they were talking > about safety, not > about the effectiveness of the drugs. This is so > confusing...I will > try with the doctor and pharmacist again on Monday > as nobody is > around this holiday weekend. > > Which reminds me to say Happy Easter and Passover to > those observing. > > Joyce > > > > > > In a message dated 4/15/2006 6:57:38 PM Central > Daylight Time, > > DollsEsq@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Cyndi. I did call and they said that > it is safe to > take > > > the methotrexate with the LDN, but what I am > interested in is > whether > > > that is a smart thing to do to treat the > progression of the MS. > > > > > > > > > > > +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++Joyce, > > > > Methotrexate is Novantrone (chemo), isn't it? I > have read where it > has been > > said that since chemo pulls the immune system down > and LDN tries to > regulate > > it that the two cancel each other out. Now keep > in mind, I'm not a > doctor, so > > don't quote me. I could be mistaken. Ask . > > > > Marcie > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Stay with us Cindi.Cyndi Lenz <psychrn@...> wrote: you can also call the your pharmacist and have this conversation. cyndi On Apr 15, 2006, at 7:14 PM, dollsesq wrote: Thank you all for the advice. I really do not want to be treating myself but it is so hard to get answers from my doctors. I think I will stay on the 3 mg until next month when I go back to my Neuro MS specialist and see what I can find out. Can any patients of Dr. Bihari in NYC tell me if he is accepting patients; and if not is there another doctor in his practice who is also an LDN expert who is accepting patients for consultations?And is Bill and PA or an RN?Joyce --4 days and pretty satisfied so far )> >> > Joyce,> > I am very new here, only on LDN for 7 weeks, but I am pretty > sure that > > I've read methotrexate and LDN work against each other. Doesn't > methotrexate > > suppress the immune system, and LDN boosts the immune system? > Maybe someone with > > more familiarity with MS drugs will come along with their > experience. Good > > luck.> > Annette> >> > --> > Methotrexate suppresses the immune system and should not be used > along with LDN.> > Artie> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Ragarding pain that starts in upper chest and moved down then throwing up.... I have had this a lot and its always eating too fast/not chewing enough. I tend to get very stressed and anxious and then if I & #39;m eating I don & #39;t pay attention and it invariably happens. I need to consciously eat (for lots of other good reasons too!) To slow down and chew until my food is really broken down, almost liquified. More is digested by the body and then there are also no band problems. It takes effort and consistency for me. Take a breathe, relax, be grateful for taking care of myself, and then begin eating slowly and chewing very well. Hope my experience helps. wrote: > > > Messages In This Digest (13 > Messages) > 1a. > allergy question > From: > > 1b. > Re: allergy question > From: > moonshadow.sandy > 1c. > Re: allergy question > From: > serenitywon > 1d. > Re: allergy question > From: > > 2a. > Bandster Constipation - new Education module > From: > moonshadow.sandy > 2b. > Re: Bandster Constipation - new Education module > From: > Robin Citroni > 2c. > Re: Bandster Constipation - new Education module> new question > From: > moonshadow.sandy > 3. > Mexican Flu declared international health emergency > From: > moonshadow.sandy > 4. > US declares public health emergency re Mexico swine flu > From: > moonshadow.sandy > 5a. > Band slip and dilation > From: > > 5b. > Re: Band slip and dilation > From: > > 5c. > Re: Band slip and dilation > From: > moonshadow.sandy > 6. > The Future of Weight Loss Surgery > From: > moonshadow.sandy > View All Topics | Create New Topic > Messages > 1a. > allergy question > Posted by: " " > brenda_m@... >  > brendamichalchik > Sun Apr 26, 2009 9:37 am (PDT) > I was doing some reading. Can seasonal allergies really tighten up > your band? Could this be why mine got tight all of a sudden? I > really do suffer from spring allergies and they've been wicked > already. It is just so weird knowing that my band has slipped and > that the pouch is dialated, and I follow every single band rule. I am > a model for it according to my friends. > BTW, does anyone want to see a pic of what it looks like on the > fluro? The doc gave it to me. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2009 Report Share Posted April 27, 2009 Hi - nice post to share your experience! thanks ! You've been a member for nearly 3 years, and this is your first post, I think - so welcome to an un-lurker! :-) Would you be willing to tell us more about you, and share more of your experiences, to help us all learn ? How are you doing? Also, please, when you reply to a post from the " Daily Digest " please cut out all the stuff other than the important part of the one post you are replying to. Otherwise, the whole digest is posted. I neglected to trim your post before it wne thru (all first posts are moderated, so no spam gets thru) - so I was bad - sorry. Sandy > > > Ragarding pain that starts in upper chest and moved down then throwing up.... > I have had this a lot and its always eating too fast/not chewing enough. I tend to get very stressed and anxious and then if I & #39;m eating I don & #39;t pay attention and it invariably happens. I need to consciously eat (for lots of other good reasons too!) To slow down and chew until my food is really broken down, almost liquified. More is digested by the body and then there are also no band problems. It takes effort and consistency for me. Take a breathe, relax, be grateful for taking care of myself, and then begin eating slowly and chewing very well. Hope my experience helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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