Re: USDA research on Stachybotrys

June 19, 2004

> In a natural setting, moist, densely cellulosic material is

scattered, and

> mycotoxins produced by the fungi simply diffuse into the air.

Insofar as being harmless outside, as always, my experience says

differently.

I described my experience of hang gliding into a spore plume thermal

over Mt Hull when I was deliberately flying over an area that had

been deforested by fire that was extinguished by bombers.

Perhaps it was the fire retardant that potentiated the toxins.

I only know what I felt.

Naturally I expect this to be disbelieved along with everything else.

-

June 19, 2004

> In a natural setting, moist, densely cellulosic material is

scattered, and

> mycotoxins produced by the fungi simply diffuse into the air.

Insofar as being harmless outside, as always, my experience says

differently.

I described my experience of hang gliding into a spore plume thermal

over Mt Hull when I was deliberately flying over an area that had

been deforested by fire that was extinguished by bombers.

Perhaps it was the fire retardant that potentiated the toxins.

I only know what I felt.

Naturally I expect this to be disbelieved along with everything else.

-

June 20, 2004

--

You lie!

You are obviously a plant on this forum from the partisan factions that are

attempting to discredit our claims. Your impossible stories are intended to

cast everything here an a suspect light-- there's NO WAY that some mold that

been around for billions of years could do what you claim! Your tales

would lead people to believe that molds have evolved in that time into the most

perfect bioaerosols imaginable, colonizing every hospitable inch of

the globe.

Nice try.

-- In , " erik_johnson_96140 " <erikj6@e...> wrote:

>

> > In a natural setting, moist, densely cellulosic material is

> scattered, and

> > mycotoxins produced by the fungi simply diffuse into the air.

>

> Insofar as being harmless outside, as always, my experience says

> differently.

> I described my experience of hang gliding into a spore plume thermal

> over Mt Hull when I was deliberately flying over an area that had

> been deforested by fire that was extinguished by bombers.

> Perhaps it was the fire retardant that potentiated the toxins.

> I only know what I felt.

> Naturally I expect this to be disbelieved along with everything else.

> -

June 20, 2004

--

You lie!

You are obviously a plant on this forum from the partisan factions that are

attempting to discredit our claims. Your impossible stories are intended to

cast everything here an a suspect light-- there's NO WAY that some mold that

been around for billions of years could do what you claim! Your tales

would lead people to believe that molds have evolved in that time into the most

perfect bioaerosols imaginable, colonizing every hospitable inch of

the globe.

Nice try.

-- In , " erik_johnson_96140 " <erikj6@e...> wrote:

>

> > In a natural setting, moist, densely cellulosic material is

> scattered, and

> > mycotoxins produced by the fungi simply diffuse into the air.

>

> Insofar as being harmless outside, as always, my experience says

> differently.

> I described my experience of hang gliding into a spore plume thermal

> over Mt Hull when I was deliberately flying over an area that had

> been deforested by fire that was extinguished by bombers.

> Perhaps it was the fire retardant that potentiated the toxins.

> I only know what I felt.

> Naturally I expect this to be disbelieved along with everything else.

> -

June 20, 2004

> >

> > > In a natural setting, moist, densely cellulosic material is

> > scattered, and

> > > mycotoxins produced by the fungi simply diffuse into the air.

> >

> > Insofar as being harmless outside, as always, my experience says

> > differently.

> > I described my experience of hang gliding into a spore plume thermal

> > over Mt Hull when I was deliberately flying over an area that had

> > been deforested by fire that was extinguished by bombers.

> > Perhaps it was the fire retardant that potentiated the toxins.

> > I only know what I felt.

> > Naturally I expect this to be disbelieved along with everything else

> > -

Who is joking? I believe what says and I can't tell if you are kidding

.

I wish I had the energy to keep going with my medical care but I just don't want

to go

to see Drs. I would rather sleep. I haven't decided what to do with the so

called

restoration co. yet. My cat seems to have a fungal infection on her skin now

which we

can't get rid of. I am more concerned about her. If anyone else has experianced

this

please let me know. I have tried topical medicine as directed by her vet,

vineger, and

pressed sesime oil. Nothing seems to help her. She doesn't appear

uncomfortable... I

wish I could go with her to a relaxing kitty spa but we just can't afford it. I

dropped

by to say hello and to thank you all for the input and caring.

Lori K and Meow Cat ( SF Bay Area)

June 20, 2004

> >

> > > In a natural setting, moist, densely cellulosic material is

> > scattered, and

> > > mycotoxins produced by the fungi simply diffuse into the air.

> >

> > Insofar as being harmless outside, as always, my experience says

> > differently.

> > I described my experience of hang gliding into a spore plume thermal

> > over Mt Hull when I was deliberately flying over an area that had

> > been deforested by fire that was extinguished by bombers.

> > Perhaps it was the fire retardant that potentiated the toxins.

> > I only know what I felt.

> > Naturally I expect this to be disbelieved along with everything else

> > -

Who is joking? I believe what says and I can't tell if you are kidding

.

I wish I had the energy to keep going with my medical care but I just don't want

to go

to see Drs. I would rather sleep. I haven't decided what to do with the so

called

restoration co. yet. My cat seems to have a fungal infection on her skin now

which we

can't get rid of. I am more concerned about her. If anyone else has experianced

this

please let me know. I have tried topical medicine as directed by her vet,

vineger, and

pressed sesime oil. Nothing seems to help her. She doesn't appear

uncomfortable... I

wish I could go with her to a relaxing kitty spa but we just can't afford it. I

dropped

by to say hello and to thank you all for the input and caring.

Lori K and Meow Cat ( SF Bay Area)

June 20, 2004

's one of the people who know for damn sure that I'm not

kidding.

I know of a killer compost farm that's throwing out a wicked plume

across a half a mile if anybody wants to feel the joy for themselves.

-

June 20, 2004

's one of the people who know for damn sure that I'm not

kidding.

I know of a killer compost farm that's throwing out a wicked plume

across a half a mile if anybody wants to feel the joy for themselves.

-

June 20, 2004

, Lori and group --

Glad you caught this in the proper context, -- but sorry if it was even

remotely possible to misinterpret. I've been having some good days lately,

and my sense of humor is creeping back in. But I remember what its' like to be

in the death grip of this, and know it's hard to shut off the relentless

process of trying to figure out how to make it stop.

Lori, in my opionion, you need to get out of your environment -- right now. You

need to know whether or not this is externally caused, or whether

you have a systemic infection. I went down the path of investigating Candida

infection for two years on, until I got so reactive to my cross-

contaminated belongings that I had to move out into the snow. This is the best

thing I could have done, in retrospect. 72 hours in a washed tent

get's me back to 95% function.

I now also have suspicions of the possibility that " uninflamed " systemic

infection allows me to be unreactive in a clean environment, and then when I

get an exposure, it lights up my infestation. Then there is also the fact that

I experienced an almost complete remission when I got more than 1,000

miles away from the region where I was originally exposed. Thsi was despite

interacting with many different structures and residences -- now that I

am back " home " , two thirds of buildings set me off. This has implications for

reactivity relative to specific strains in regional distribution, much like

regular inhalent allergy?. I am considering liquidating everything and getting

a one-way ticket on a plane with a wallet, period. This would basically

be required for someone to live abroad, so what? Anything is better than being

reactive.

Lori, can you handle sleeping outside in a tent? Your car is probably crossed as

well. Can someone here help you get outside? It's summer, now is

the time to investigate your reactivity.

Message me off list if you like, I'll call you.

Concerned

----- In , " erik_johnson_96140 " <erikj6@e...>

wrote:

> 's one of the people who know for damn sure that I'm not

> kidding.

> I know of a killer compost farm that's throwing out a wicked plume

> across a half a mile if anybody wants to feel the joy for themselves.

> -

June 20, 2004