Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 In a message dated 4/5/2004 6:46:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, grimes@... writes: Hopfully your decisions will be informed ones based on information from sources that provide honest and full disclosure. And that's another story! Can you elaborate on that statement? The company that did testing for my district, Aurora, neglected to point out in their report that the number of outdoor type spores exceeded (by 200%) the number that a "healthy building" should have. they gave the building a clean bill of health, despite the fact that their data did not actually support it, from what I could see. Two thirds of the staff were ill in that school and one nearly died. Two young people did die, one teacher and one parent, and there were many miscarraiges. I lost my health at that school. Yet the report showed a summary that found the building healthy, despite the data. Is that what you mean? It appears that companies will write what their contractor wishes. What recourse do workers have, in that case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:51:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, erikj6@... writes: When someone has reached a level of reactivity to be put into agony by exposure to a few possessions that have been removed from the contaminated environment that's me - a plastic bag with cd holder (cloth) and cd's inside was enough to set me off, brought to me out of a contaminated classroom I have to leave 25 years of accumulated teaching supplies, purchased at $1500-2000 yearly, behind in the school I can no longer enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 In a message dated 4/5/2004 9:51:32 PM Pacific Daylight Time, erikj6@... writes: When someone has reached a level of reactivity to be put into agony by exposure to a few possessions that have been removed from the contaminated environment that's me - a plastic bag with cd holder (cloth) and cd's inside was enough to set me off, brought to me out of a contaminated classroom I have to leave 25 years of accumulated teaching supplies, purchased at $1500-2000 yearly, behind in the school I can no longer enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 >What neither S520 nor any other document does so far is to place the above information and procedures within the specific context of occupant susceptibilities. That is where the experience and reputation of the IEP for those situations is critical.< Therin lies the crux. When someone has reached a level of reactivity to be put into agony by exposure to a few possessions that have been removed from the contaminated environment, a " mold expert " who doesn't appreciate the situation will tell you that he has done his job according to specs and clearance testing affirms his work and that any further problems on your part must be psychosomatic. Since I've seen many people who are far beyond the level in which remediation will work - I anticipate many lively conversations between IAQ professionals and mold responders who don't recover after their houses have been " successfully " remediated. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 >What neither S520 nor any other document does so far is to place the above information and procedures within the specific context of occupant susceptibilities. That is where the experience and reputation of the IEP for those situations is critical.< Therin lies the crux. When someone has reached a level of reactivity to be put into agony by exposure to a few possessions that have been removed from the contaminated environment, a " mold expert " who doesn't appreciate the situation will tell you that he has done his job according to specs and clearance testing affirms his work and that any further problems on your part must be psychosomatic. Since I've seen many people who are far beyond the level in which remediation will work - I anticipate many lively conversations between IAQ professionals and mold responders who don't recover after their houses have been " successfully " remediated. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 , You are exactly right. But I have a question: When someone claims to have done his job according to specs -- what are those specs? Who determined them? And did the occupant agree to them? Insist on this agreement ahead of times. This is important because THERE ARE NO SPECS for mold like there are for radon and asbestos. And when the clearance testing affirms that the job is completed, what levels or other criteria are being used to affirm clearance? Was this agreed upon before work started? This is also important because THERE ARE NO CLEARANCE SPECS for mold like there are for radon and asbestos. No one can determine ahead of time on their own without input from the occupant, what will or will not achieve a return to a non- reactive habitat. The only exception is a couple of the new state laws, like Texas, that set those criteria. But they were politically determined against the advise and judgement of the more responsible facets of industry. Carl ----------------- > >What neither S520 nor any other document does so far is to place the > above information and procedures within the specific context of > occupant susceptibilities. That is where the experience and > reputation of the IEP for those situations is critical.< > > Therin lies the crux. > When someone has reached a level of reactivity to be put into agony by > exposure to a few possessions that have been removed from the > contaminated environment, a " mold expert " who doesn't appreciate the > situation will tell you that he has done his job according to specs > and clearance testing affirms his work and that any further problems > on your part must be psychosomatic. Since I've seen many people who > are far beyond the level in which remediation will work - I anticipate > many lively conversations between IAQ professionals and mold > responders who don't recover after their houses have been > " successfully " remediated. - > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 > The company that did testing for my district, Aurora, neglected to point out in their report that the number of outdoor type spores exceeded (by 200%) the number that a " healthy building " should have. they gave the building a clean bill of health, despite the fact that their data did not actually support it, from what I could see. Two thirds of the staff were ill in that school and one nearly died. Two young people did die, one teacher and one parent, and there were many miscarraiges. I lost my health at that school. Yet the report showed a summary that found the building healthy, despite the data. < The IAQ experts are still (by their very name) considering this to be solely an Indoor Air Quality problem despite their own data - and common sense. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2004 Report Share Posted April 6, 2004 > The company that did testing for my district, Aurora, neglected to point out in their report that the number of outdoor type spores exceeded (by 200%) the number that a " healthy building " should have. they gave the building a clean bill of health, despite the fact that their data did not actually support it, from what I could see. Two thirds of the staff were ill in that school and one nearly died. Two young people did die, one teacher and one parent, and there were many miscarraiges. I lost my health at that school. Yet the report showed a summary that found the building healthy, despite the data. < The IAQ experts are still (by their very name) considering this to be solely an Indoor Air Quality problem despite their own data - and common sense. - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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