Re[2]: RE: mold testing prior to purchase

[Guest guest]

Brad, do you have any references online for these manuals? I'd like to

be able to present them when I reopen my case.

Barth

TOXIC MOLD SURVEY: www.presenting.net/sbs/sbssurvey.html

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BM> You know what really chaps my hide?  Well, I will tell you anyway!  LOL!

BM> The Army has Biological warfare manuals that deal with Tricothecenes, as

BM> well as other mycotoxins.  They have had this information for years.  How

BM> can another Government agency make a statement like;

BM> " In vitro and in vivo research on Stachybotrys chartarum suggests

BM> that effects in humans may be biologically plausible; these

BM> observations require validation from more extensive research before

BM> conclusions can be drawn. " (page 143).

BM> without knowing about the Army documents?  Please find attached *.pdf.

BM> Brad Marsh

BM>   -----Original Message-----

BM>   From: Carl E. Grimes [mailto:grimes@...]

BM>   Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 9:10 PM

BM>  

BM>   Subject: Re: [] RE: mold testing prior to purchase

BM>   Gil, Janet others,

  Gil wrote------->>A common  misperception in most medical articles is

BM>   that mold only affects those with a pre-existing sensitivity.

BM>   The IOM report has a whole chapter on this:

BM>   Chapter 4 -- Toxic Effects of Fungi and Bacteria

BM>   " Although a great deal of attention has focused on the effects of

BM>   bacteria and fungi mediated by allergic responses, these

BM>   microorganisms also cause nonallergic responses. Studies of health

BM>   effects associated with exposure to bacteria and fungi show that

BM>   respiratory and other effects that resemble allergic responses occur

BM>   in nonatopic persons. " (page 109)

BM>   FINDINGS, RECOMMENDATIONS, AND RESEARCH NEEDS

BM>   " On the basis of its review of the papers, reports, and other

BM>   information presented in this chapter, the committee has reached

BM>   several findings and recommendations and has identified several

BM>   research needs regarding the nonallergic effects of molds and

BM>   bacteria found in damp indoor environments. " (page 142)

BM>   They then list a series of logical statements beginning with mold and

BM>   bacteria are know to produce toxins, there are animal studies but not

BM>   enough human studies to draw a conclusion. Among them:

BM>   " in vitro and in vivo studies have demonstrated adverse

BM>   effects—including immunotoxic, neurologic, respiratory, and dermal

BM>   responses—after exposure to specific toxins, bacteria, molds, or

BM>   their products. (page 143).

BM>   " In vitro and in vivo research on Stachybotrys chartarum suggests

BM>   that effects in humans may be biologically plausible; these

BM>   observations require validation from more extensive research before

BM>   conclusions can be drawn. " (page 143).

BM>   They then suggest animal studies for inhalation of low level, long

BM>   term exposures " in order to generate information for risk assessment

BM>   that is not available from studies of acute, high-level exposures. "

BM>   (page 143).

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BM>   Carl E.Grimes

BM>   Healthy Habitats LLC

BM>   grimes@...

BM>   303-671-9653

BM>   303-751-0416 fax

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