Re: Cross-contamination Experiences

[Guest guest]

Jules --

Cross-contamination is very real, and advancing reactivity is

exactly what I experienced over the last four years after moving out

of the initial contaminated environment in March of 2001. Finally,

last Fall, after 40 months of " undiagnosable " chronic illness,

something gave and I became wildy reactive, unable to tolerate many

environments I was previously able to without problem.

I have now disposed of two vehicles, all furniture, and am in the

process of selling my home. Don't underestimate the seriousness of

cross-contamination after an initial sensitizing exposure. If you

are reacting now, continuing to live with contaminated items will

only worsen your sensitivity.

Good Luck,

Lee

> Hi everyone,

> I discovered I had toxic mold, as well as many other types, in my

> home last November, after living in the house for about 2 years.

> I'm so thankful to have discovered this message board and to hear

so

> many stories and experiences. It has helped me immensely.

>

> I'm interested in speaking with other " mold survivors " regarding

> their experiences with cross-contamination of other

> buildings/homes/cars, once they have left their initial mold-

> contaminated residences. I'm wondering if others have experienced

> it the same as I.

>

> Also would like to hear other's stories regarding increasing

> sensitivity to mold/toxins from repeat exposure, as I appear to be

> getting more sensitive over time, while many around me don't

appear

> to even react (at this time...which is another question I have).

>

> Either through email or telephone would be fine. Please email me

> on/off line if you area interested in speaking.

>

> Thanks,

> Jules

>

> julesblucky@y...

[Guest guest]

Jules --

Cross-contamination is very real, and advancing reactivity is

exactly what I experienced over the last four years after moving out

of the initial contaminated environment in March of 2001. Finally,

last Fall, after 40 months of " undiagnosable " chronic illness,

something gave and I became wildy reactive, unable to tolerate many

environments I was previously able to without problem.

I have now disposed of two vehicles, all furniture, and am in the

process of selling my home. Don't underestimate the seriousness of

cross-contamination after an initial sensitizing exposure. If you

are reacting now, continuing to live with contaminated items will

only worsen your sensitivity.

Good Luck,

Lee

> Hi everyone,

> I discovered I had toxic mold, as well as many other types, in my

> home last November, after living in the house for about 2 years.

> I'm so thankful to have discovered this message board and to hear

so

> many stories and experiences. It has helped me immensely.

>

> I'm interested in speaking with other " mold survivors " regarding

> their experiences with cross-contamination of other

> buildings/homes/cars, once they have left their initial mold-

> contaminated residences. I'm wondering if others have experienced

> it the same as I.

>

> Also would like to hear other's stories regarding increasing

> sensitivity to mold/toxins from repeat exposure, as I appear to be

> getting more sensitive over time, while many around me don't

appear

> to even react (at this time...which is another question I have).

>

> Either through email or telephone would be fine. Please email me

> on/off line if you area interested in speaking.

>

> Thanks,

> Jules

>

> julesblucky@y...

[Guest guest]

Cross-contamination is real. It is recognized and specifically

addressed in the IICRC S520 Standard and Reference Guide for Mold

Remediation. <www.iicrc.org>

It calls active growth Condition 3. It is usually visible because the

water made it grow into a mold garden or even a jungle.

Normal fungal presence, which recognizes that mold is everywhere all

the time but not actively growing or present from past growth, is

Condition 1. No water or moisture, no growth. It is like the desert.

Condition 2 is the fungal spores and fragments that come from a

Condition 3 location that are in the air and have settled on

surfaces.

The S520 Principles of mold remediation and the resulting procedures

and guidance include Condition 2.

Because Condition 3 is often (but not always) visible and sometimes

hidden, expertise and training is sometimes required to properly

identify it and to determine the boundaries.

Condition 2 is rarely visible because spores and fragments are too

small to be seen by the naked eye. It is what extends beyond the

boundaries of Condition 3 but is contamination none the less.

Condition 2 is one of the more troublesome situations to properly

remediate and usually the most difficult to verify especially for

sensitized individuals. More training, experience and often sampling

is required to identify the Condition 2 areas.

Finally, because there are no exposure standards for mold, no

authority knows how clean is clean. But we do! Because it's not clean

until we stop reacting.

The American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygiene (ACGIH)

publication " Bioaerosols " sections 8.6.3 and 15.5 says essentially

the same thing.

---------------------

Carl E.Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

grimes@...

303-671-9653

303-751-0416 fax

==================

[Guest guest]

Cross-contamination is real. It is recognized and specifically

addressed in the IICRC S520 Standard and Reference Guide for Mold

Remediation. <www.iicrc.org>

It calls active growth Condition 3. It is usually visible because the

water made it grow into a mold garden or even a jungle.

Normal fungal presence, which recognizes that mold is everywhere all

the time but not actively growing or present from past growth, is

Condition 1. No water or moisture, no growth. It is like the desert.

Condition 2 is the fungal spores and fragments that come from a

Condition 3 location that are in the air and have settled on

surfaces.

The S520 Principles of mold remediation and the resulting procedures

and guidance include Condition 2.

Because Condition 3 is often (but not always) visible and sometimes

hidden, expertise and training is sometimes required to properly

identify it and to determine the boundaries.

Condition 2 is rarely visible because spores and fragments are too

small to be seen by the naked eye. It is what extends beyond the

boundaries of Condition 3 but is contamination none the less.

Condition 2 is one of the more troublesome situations to properly

remediate and usually the most difficult to verify especially for

sensitized individuals. More training, experience and often sampling

is required to identify the Condition 2 areas.

Finally, because there are no exposure standards for mold, no

authority knows how clean is clean. But we do! Because it's not clean

until we stop reacting.

The American Conference of Governmental Industrial Hygiene (ACGIH)

publication " Bioaerosols " sections 8.6.3 and 15.5 says essentially

the same thing.

---------------------

Carl E.Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

grimes@...

303-671-9653

303-751-0416 fax

==================

[Guest guest]

In 1998, after Dr brainlocked on me and refused to help with

my repeated claims of mold reactivity, I had pretty much given up on

mainstream doctors and was going to alternative practitioners.

I described that I could feel cross contamination of mold on my

clothing after just walking through a spore plume and said " I can

feel it on my jacket right now. I take of my jacket and my exposure

is reduced. I can even feel my heart settling down a bit from just

taking off my jacket " and the practitioner said; " What is really

happening is by taking off your jacket you are symbolically freeing

yourself from the burdens you have taken on during the day. You need

to take deep breaths and learn to free yourself of stress without

relying on symbols " and I said " WHAT? What are you TALKING about?

It's mold damn it. It's on my jacket. I can feel it. I take off the

mold and I get away from some of the mold that I am reacting to on my

jacket. Is that so difficult to understand? "

But of course, like everybody else, he thought that mold reactivity

was impossible, so if I claimed that something was cross

contaminated, it must have been contaminated with something CROSS,

like a stressful event!

Silly practitioners. What do they use for brains?

Whatever it is, they must be sharing it with doctors.

-

[Guest guest]

In 1998, after Dr brainlocked on me and refused to help with

my repeated claims of mold reactivity, I had pretty much given up on

mainstream doctors and was going to alternative practitioners.

I described that I could feel cross contamination of mold on my

clothing after just walking through a spore plume and said " I can

feel it on my jacket right now. I take of my jacket and my exposure

is reduced. I can even feel my heart settling down a bit from just

taking off my jacket " and the practitioner said; " What is really

happening is by taking off your jacket you are symbolically freeing

yourself from the burdens you have taken on during the day. You need

to take deep breaths and learn to free yourself of stress without

relying on symbols " and I said " WHAT? What are you TALKING about?

It's mold damn it. It's on my jacket. I can feel it. I take off the

mold and I get away from some of the mold that I am reacting to on my

jacket. Is that so difficult to understand? "

But of course, like everybody else, he thought that mold reactivity

was impossible, so if I claimed that something was cross

contaminated, it must have been contaminated with something CROSS,

like a stressful event!

Silly practitioners. What do they use for brains?

Whatever it is, they must be sharing it with doctors.

-

[Guest guest]

> In 1998, after Dr brainlocked on me and refused to help with

> my repeated claims of mold reactivity, I had pretty much given up on

> mainstream doctors and was going to alternative practitioners.

> I described that I could feel cross contamination of mold on my

> clothing after just walking through a spore plume and said " I can

> feel it on my jacket right now. I take of my jacket and my exposure

> is reduced. I can even feel my heart settling down a bit from just

> taking off my jacket " and the practitioner said; " What is really

> happening is by taking off your jacket you are symbolically freeing

> yourself from the burdens you have taken on during the day. You need

> to take deep breaths and learn to free yourself of stress without

> relying on symbols " and I said " WHAT? What are you TALKING about?

> It's mold damn it. It's on my jacket. I can feel it. I take off the

> mold and I get away from some of the mold that I am reacting to on my

> jacket. Is that so difficult to understand? "

> But of course, like everybody else, he thought that mold reactivity

> was impossible, so if I claimed that something was cross

> contaminated, it must have been contaminated with something CROSS,

> like a stressful event!

> Silly practitioners. What do they use for brains?

> Whatever it is, they must be sharing it with doctors.

> -

Maybe all our doctors have been exposed to molds.

Lori and Meow Cat

[Guest guest]

> In 1998, after Dr brainlocked on me and refused to help with

> my repeated claims of mold reactivity, I had pretty much given up on

> mainstream doctors and was going to alternative practitioners.

> I described that I could feel cross contamination of mold on my

> clothing after just walking through a spore plume and said " I can

> feel it on my jacket right now. I take of my jacket and my exposure

> is reduced. I can even feel my heart settling down a bit from just

> taking off my jacket " and the practitioner said; " What is really

> happening is by taking off your jacket you are symbolically freeing

> yourself from the burdens you have taken on during the day. You need

> to take deep breaths and learn to free yourself of stress without

> relying on symbols " and I said " WHAT? What are you TALKING about?

> It's mold damn it. It's on my jacket. I can feel it. I take off the

> mold and I get away from some of the mold that I am reacting to on my

> jacket. Is that so difficult to understand? "

> But of course, like everybody else, he thought that mold reactivity

> was impossible, so if I claimed that something was cross

> contaminated, it must have been contaminated with something CROSS,

> like a stressful event!

> Silly practitioners. What do they use for brains?

> Whatever it is, they must be sharing it with doctors.

> -

Maybe all our doctors have been exposed to molds.

Lori and Meow Cat

[Guest guest]

,

I have frequently experienced reactions to people's clothing and even my

own.

Fortunately, I have air samplers to check my own articles and it is

quite easy to do. I simply place an item in a plastic bag, and tightly

wrap the open end around the inlet side of a Burkard Personal Sampler.

With the sampler on and a greased slide in place, I kick the clothing a

few times to release some dust, allow the sampler to run for a few

seconds and turn it off. Voila. Then I look at the sample slide with a

microscope and if mold is the problem, the spores are right there stuck

to the grease. If it's dust mite allergens, the fecal pellets are

visible. If it's pets, the dander is visible.

Jeff May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

<www.mayindoorair.com>

[Guest guest]

,

I have frequently experienced reactions to people's clothing and even my

own.

Fortunately, I have air samplers to check my own articles and it is

quite easy to do. I simply place an item in a plastic bag, and tightly

wrap the open end around the inlet side of a Burkard Personal Sampler.

With the sampler on and a greased slide in place, I kick the clothing a

few times to release some dust, allow the sampler to run for a few

seconds and turn it off. Voila. Then I look at the sample slide with a

microscope and if mold is the problem, the spores are right there stuck

to the grease. If it's dust mite allergens, the fecal pellets are

visible. If it's pets, the dander is visible.

Jeff May

May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

<www.mayindoorair.com>

[Guest guest]

doctors are afraid of federal facilities as well. So isnr=t anyone else that

can help me.

Janet

[Guest guest]

doctors are afraid of federal facilities as well. So isnr=t anyone else that

can help me.

Janet

[Guest guest]

and Jeff,

What is your recommendation for the lay person who doesn't have

access to personal testing equipment? Is tape sampling of some

object I'm reacting to a possible lower-cost solution to air

testing?

Is there a way to tell if I am reacting to spores vs toxins?

Is there a way to tell if I am reacting to something other than

mold, perhaps some other type of VOC? It's difficult for me to

accept that I'm having such a strong reaction to mold, and I would

like to be 100% certain that is what I'm reacting to, especially in

these cross-contaminated environments. Are you aware of other tests

that can check for things such as VOC, MVOC, Chemical, etc?

Jules

> ,

>

> I have frequently experienced reactions to people's clothing and

even my

> own.

>

> Fortunately, I have air samplers to check my own articles and it is

> quite easy to do. I simply place an item in a plastic bag, and

tightly

> wrap the open end around the inlet side of a Burkard Personal

Sampler.

> With the sampler on and a greased slide in place, I kick the

clothing a

> few times to release some dust, allow the sampler to run for a few

> seconds and turn it off. Voila. Then I look at the sample slide

with a

> microscope and if mold is the problem, the spores are right there

stuck

> to the grease. If it's dust mite allergens, the fecal pellets are

> visible. If it's pets, the dander is visible.

>

> Jeff May

> May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

> <www.mayindoorair.com>

[Guest guest]

and Jeff,

What is your recommendation for the lay person who doesn't have

access to personal testing equipment? Is tape sampling of some

object I'm reacting to a possible lower-cost solution to air

testing?

Is there a way to tell if I am reacting to spores vs toxins?

Is there a way to tell if I am reacting to something other than

mold, perhaps some other type of VOC? It's difficult for me to

accept that I'm having such a strong reaction to mold, and I would

like to be 100% certain that is what I'm reacting to, especially in

these cross-contaminated environments. Are you aware of other tests

that can check for things such as VOC, MVOC, Chemical, etc?

Jules

> ,

>

> I have frequently experienced reactions to people's clothing and

even my

> own.

>

> Fortunately, I have air samplers to check my own articles and it is

> quite easy to do. I simply place an item in a plastic bag, and

tightly

> wrap the open end around the inlet side of a Burkard Personal

Sampler.

> With the sampler on and a greased slide in place, I kick the

clothing a

> few times to release some dust, allow the sampler to run for a few

> seconds and turn it off. Voila. Then I look at the sample slide

with a

> microscope and if mold is the problem, the spores are right there

stuck

> to the grease. If it's dust mite allergens, the fecal pellets are

> visible. If it's pets, the dander is visible.

>

> Jeff May

> May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

> <www.mayindoorair.com>

[Guest guest]

Jules,

I am far from the expert here. has educated me to the reality that I react

to mold toxins. However, a big part of my llness includes a chronic infection

that plays into the mold problem. has pretty much solved his problem by

mold avoidance. I am doing this as well, but I am also agressively treating the

infection. You may want to investigate this angle. I would suggest first getting

tested for Lyme disease. Don't just ask your doctor to get you tested because

the only lab in the US worth using is IgneX (covered by Medicare and some

insurance) or Bowen (not covered by insurance and not as accepted by MDs) If you

think you might be in this category I can send you more information. It doesn't

hurt to attack the mold problem both ways.

a

and Jeff,

What is your recommendation for the lay person who doesn't have

access to personal testing equipment? Is tape sampling of some

object I'm reacting to a possible lower-cost solution to air

testing?

Is there a way to tell if I am reacting to spores vs toxins?

Is there a way to tell if I am reacting to something other than

mold, perhaps some other type of VOC? It's difficult for me to

accept that I'm having such a strong reaction to mold, and I would

like to be 100% certain that is what I'm reacting to, especially in

these cross-contaminated environments. Are you aware of other tests

that can check for things such as VOC, MVOC, Chemical, etc?

Jules

> ,

>

> I have frequently experienced reactions to people's clothing and

even my

> own.

>

> Fortunately, I have air samplers to check my own articles and it is

> quite easy to do. I simply place an item in a plastic bag, and

tightly

> wrap the open end around the inlet side of a Burkard Personal

Sampler.

> With the sampler on and a greased slide in place, I kick the

clothing a

> few times to release some dust, allow the sampler to run for a few

> seconds and turn it off. Voila. Then I look at the sample slide

with a

> microscope and if mold is the problem, the spores are right there

stuck

> to the grease. If it's dust mite allergens, the fecal pellets are

> visible. If it's pets, the dander is visible.

>

> Jeff May

> May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

> www.mayindoorair.com

[Guest guest]

Jules,

I am far from the expert here. has educated me to the reality that I react

to mold toxins. However, a big part of my llness includes a chronic infection

that plays into the mold problem. has pretty much solved his problem by

mold avoidance. I am doing this as well, but I am also agressively treating the

infection. You may want to investigate this angle. I would suggest first getting

tested for Lyme disease. Don't just ask your doctor to get you tested because

the only lab in the US worth using is IgneX (covered by Medicare and some

insurance) or Bowen (not covered by insurance and not as accepted by MDs) If you

think you might be in this category I can send you more information. It doesn't

hurt to attack the mold problem both ways.

a

and Jeff,

What is your recommendation for the lay person who doesn't have

access to personal testing equipment? Is tape sampling of some

object I'm reacting to a possible lower-cost solution to air

testing?

Is there a way to tell if I am reacting to spores vs toxins?

Is there a way to tell if I am reacting to something other than

mold, perhaps some other type of VOC? It's difficult for me to

accept that I'm having such a strong reaction to mold, and I would

like to be 100% certain that is what I'm reacting to, especially in

these cross-contaminated environments. Are you aware of other tests

that can check for things such as VOC, MVOC, Chemical, etc?

Jules

> ,

>

> I have frequently experienced reactions to people's clothing and

even my

> own.

>

> Fortunately, I have air samplers to check my own articles and it is

> quite easy to do. I simply place an item in a plastic bag, and

tightly

> wrap the open end around the inlet side of a Burkard Personal

Sampler.

> With the sampler on and a greased slide in place, I kick the

clothing a

> few times to release some dust, allow the sampler to run for a few

> seconds and turn it off. Voila. Then I look at the sample slide

with a

> microscope and if mold is the problem, the spores are right there

stuck

> to the grease. If it's dust mite allergens, the fecal pellets are

> visible. If it's pets, the dander is visible.

>

> Jeff May

> May Indoor Air Investigations LLC

> www.mayindoorair.com

[Guest guest]

Wow! Mr. Kleins, I am not certain what occurred between you and Dr.

Marinkovich. Nor am I certain he was as knowledgeable in 1999 as he is today.

I

think that statement could be true of all physicians working in this field.

But what do know is that I am aware of many who Dr. Marinkovich was able to,

and continues to help. My family included. When many other physicians are

charging an arm and a leg for fungal treatment, Dr. M. is not gouging. He is

truly a gentleman and a scholar. He has made a tremendous positive impact in

MANY people's lives. Can he treat all? I don't know. But, it's dismays me to

see disparaging remarks posted about this man in an arena where many are

looking for quality help. In my opinion, Dr. M is quality help.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Wow! Mr. Kleins, I am not certain what occurred between you and Dr.

Marinkovich. Nor am I certain he was as knowledgeable in 1999 as he is today.

I

think that statement could be true of all physicians working in this field.

But what do know is that I am aware of many who Dr. Marinkovich was able to,

and continues to help. My family included. When many other physicians are

charging an arm and a leg for fungal treatment, Dr. M. is not gouging. He is

truly a gentleman and a scholar. He has made a tremendous positive impact in

MANY people's lives. Can he treat all? I don't know. But, it's dismays me to

see disparaging remarks posted about this man in an arena where many are

looking for quality help. In my opinion, Dr. M is quality help.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

> Dr. Marinkovich says based on these results I am

> probably reacting to everything.<

Hey, that's what he told me too. He tried to test me for such

ridiculous things, that I refused. Like Eucalyptus. I said there

isn't any Eucalyptus within a hundred miles of me and he

responded " What if your neighbor was using a humidifier with

Eucalyptus oil? " That was just too much of a stretch for me.

I see that Dr Marinkovich still hasn't learned much after all these

years. At least he's sort of trying, got to give him some credit.

Should look back through the archives to find the story where I

identified a spore plume in Dr. Marinkovichs own reception room in

1999. That was fun.

Check out Joe Kleins Stachybotrys website for information germane to

your problem. http://stachy.5u.com/

(Don't worry if you don't speak germane - It's all in English)

-

[Guest guest]

> Dr. Marinkovich says based on these results I am

> probably reacting to everything.<

Hey, that's what he told me too. He tried to test me for such

ridiculous things, that I refused. Like Eucalyptus. I said there

isn't any Eucalyptus within a hundred miles of me and he

responded " What if your neighbor was using a humidifier with

Eucalyptus oil? " That was just too much of a stretch for me.

I see that Dr Marinkovich still hasn't learned much after all these

years. At least he's sort of trying, got to give him some credit.

Should look back through the archives to find the story where I

identified a spore plume in Dr. Marinkovichs own reception room in

1999. That was fun.

Check out Joe Kleins Stachybotrys website for information germane to

your problem. http://stachy.5u.com/

(Don't worry if you don't speak germane - It's all in English)

-

[Guest guest]

Hi , and everyone,

I've visited Joe Klein's web site and read his story ... one of the

first stories I read regarding mold exposure ... I was amazed at how

similar my experience was to his. It was nice to learn that I am

not alone in a most mysterious experience, and nice to be able to

pass his story on to friends and family members who may have thought

I was crazy (and maybe still do, i don't really know...but maybe I

am at this point!).

I think my initial reaction was also related to fans (as was Mr.

Kleins) set up by a relative of mine which spread spores/toxins

throughout the house while I was away on vacation, and perhaps

disturbed the spores to the point that they began producing toxins

(?). I've read other stories with similar beginnings which I find to

be a bit too coincidental.

Funny you should mention Marinkovich's reception room because I had

the same experience when I was there. Not sure I would call it a

plume, not certain of the technicality, but the room was definitely

somewhat contaminated anyway. We must share the same

sensitivities. Stachy? I'll have to look for your earlier post,

did you mention it to him? I'm sure even if he cleaned it, it would

just get recontaminated again by the " moldies " that go to see him,

myself included as I don't seem to be free and clear yet.

I haven't been seeing the doc long enough to know if his treatment

protocol is effective for me, but I'm willing to give it a try. Not

many options out there for treatment in the area, unless there's

someone you'd recommend....

Problem I'm currently having is getting away from the stuff, and

cross-contamination, especially my mother's house, which is much

worse than Marinkovich's office. My mother's house is contaminated

to the point that my clothing gets contaminated when I go inside,

and she happens to be immunosuppressed from a heart transplant 7

years ago. She say's she's fine and she won't let me test her house

because she's fine, afraid of what they'll find, and also of the

possibility of having to go through what I went through. What a

wicked mess this thing is!

Any suggestions, recommendations? Test the house when she's not

home? That's what I'm thinking, although it's against everyone in

the family's wishes, including hers. I could test my contaminated

car just to prove my point about cross-contamination and see where

it goes from there. I just don't want to live with the guilt for

the rest of my life if something bad were to happen to her. I want

her, and all of us, to be healthy and happy.

Jules

> > Dr. Marinkovich says based on these results I am

> > probably reacting to everything.<

>

> Hey, that's what he told me too. He tried to test me for such

> ridiculous things, that I refused. Like Eucalyptus. I said there

> isn't any Eucalyptus within a hundred miles of me and he

> responded " What if your neighbor was using a humidifier with

> Eucalyptus oil? " That was just too much of a stretch for me.

> I see that Dr Marinkovich still hasn't learned much after all

these

> years. At least he's sort of trying, got to give him some credit.

> Should look back through the archives to find the story where I

> identified a spore plume in Dr. Marinkovichs own reception room in

> 1999. That was fun.

> Check out Joe Kleins Stachybotrys website for information germane

to

> your problem. http://stachy.5u.com/

> (Don't worry if you don't speak germane - It's all in English)

> -

[Guest guest]

Hi , and everyone,

I've visited Joe Klein's web site and read his story ... one of the

first stories I read regarding mold exposure ... I was amazed at how

similar my experience was to his. It was nice to learn that I am

not alone in a most mysterious experience, and nice to be able to

pass his story on to friends and family members who may have thought

I was crazy (and maybe still do, i don't really know...but maybe I

am at this point!).

I think my initial reaction was also related to fans (as was Mr.

Kleins) set up by a relative of mine which spread spores/toxins

throughout the house while I was away on vacation, and perhaps

disturbed the spores to the point that they began producing toxins

(?). I've read other stories with similar beginnings which I find to

be a bit too coincidental.

Funny you should mention Marinkovich's reception room because I had

the same experience when I was there. Not sure I would call it a

plume, not certain of the technicality, but the room was definitely

somewhat contaminated anyway. We must share the same

sensitivities. Stachy? I'll have to look for your earlier post,

did you mention it to him? I'm sure even if he cleaned it, it would

just get recontaminated again by the " moldies " that go to see him,

myself included as I don't seem to be free and clear yet.

I haven't been seeing the doc long enough to know if his treatment

protocol is effective for me, but I'm willing to give it a try. Not

many options out there for treatment in the area, unless there's

someone you'd recommend....

Problem I'm currently having is getting away from the stuff, and

cross-contamination, especially my mother's house, which is much

worse than Marinkovich's office. My mother's house is contaminated

to the point that my clothing gets contaminated when I go inside,

and she happens to be immunosuppressed from a heart transplant 7

years ago. She say's she's fine and she won't let me test her house

because she's fine, afraid of what they'll find, and also of the

possibility of having to go through what I went through. What a

wicked mess this thing is!

Any suggestions, recommendations? Test the house when she's not

home? That's what I'm thinking, although it's against everyone in

the family's wishes, including hers. I could test my contaminated

car just to prove my point about cross-contamination and see where

it goes from there. I just don't want to live with the guilt for

the rest of my life if something bad were to happen to her. I want

her, and all of us, to be healthy and happy.

Jules

> > Dr. Marinkovich says based on these results I am

> > probably reacting to everything.<

>

> Hey, that's what he told me too. He tried to test me for such

> ridiculous things, that I refused. Like Eucalyptus. I said there

> isn't any Eucalyptus within a hundred miles of me and he

> responded " What if your neighbor was using a humidifier with

> Eucalyptus oil? " That was just too much of a stretch for me.

> I see that Dr Marinkovich still hasn't learned much after all

these

> years. At least he's sort of trying, got to give him some credit.

> Should look back through the archives to find the story where I

> identified a spore plume in Dr. Marinkovichs own reception room in

> 1999. That was fun.

> Check out Joe Kleins Stachybotrys website for information germane

to

> your problem. http://stachy.5u.com/

> (Don't worry if you don't speak germane - It's all in English)

> -

[Guest guest]

> I am not certain what occurred between you and Dr Marinkovich.<

It's a shame that Dr Marinkovich's actions force me say say anything

bad about him. He seemed like a great and caring doctor.

But his treatment, or lack thereof, of my situation was almost

beyond belief. Among other things, he flat out refused to help me

identify a fungal infection. When I found a veterinary lab that

finally did, I contacted him to explain why it was important to

identify the species, that I had, and that its lack of response to

generalized treatment was that it was inherently azole resistant and

required a different approach. Dr Marinkovich still refused to do

anything beyond his standard approach despite the demonstrable need.

That was most disappointing but it was his lack of scientific

curiousity that astounded me the most.

The spore plume in his office wasn't cross contamination, which I

could also feel in his chairs and on the clothing of his patients.

I checked the air patterns in his office and walked a grid pattern to

align the " hits " . When I had enough data for a direction, I turned

and pointed at a place high on his wall and said I could feel mold

emanating from this location. He had the area tested and found more

mold. He was stunned that I could do this and said " We had a water

leak in that location, but it had been professionally remediated and

you shouldn't have been able to tell it was there. This is amazing.

We could learn a lot from people like you. " But then he never made

any attempt to learn anything from me. Curious.

But the other amazing disappointment was that one of the people

giving me strong hits in his office had been back for repeated

allergy testing and had received no advice on avoidance and

decontamination. In fact, when I told this patient that the strength

of the " hits " on her clothes were strong enough to be Stachy, she

didn't recognize the word and told me that she had never received any

education on this particular mold. I attempted to verify if Dr

Marinkovich was placing any emphasis on the stronger molds and wound

up having a fight with him in which I finally said " There is no

comparison. Compared to Stachy, these other molds are less than a

mosquito bite on my ass. " (This was long before West Nile virus, of

course).

So I'm sorry that I have to say anything negative about Dr

Marinkovich and I'm glad that he is able to help you and your family,

but he did nothing for me except refuse to diagnose, refuse to listen

and refuse to treat.

-

[Guest guest]

> I am not certain what occurred between you and Dr Marinkovich.<

It's a shame that Dr Marinkovich's actions force me say say anything

bad about him. He seemed like a great and caring doctor.

But his treatment, or lack thereof, of my situation was almost

beyond belief. Among other things, he flat out refused to help me

identify a fungal infection. When I found a veterinary lab that

finally did, I contacted him to explain why it was important to

identify the species, that I had, and that its lack of response to

generalized treatment was that it was inherently azole resistant and

required a different approach. Dr Marinkovich still refused to do

anything beyond his standard approach despite the demonstrable need.

That was most disappointing but it was his lack of scientific

curiousity that astounded me the most.

The spore plume in his office wasn't cross contamination, which I

could also feel in his chairs and on the clothing of his patients.

I checked the air patterns in his office and walked a grid pattern to

align the " hits " . When I had enough data for a direction, I turned

and pointed at a place high on his wall and said I could feel mold

emanating from this location. He had the area tested and found more

mold. He was stunned that I could do this and said " We had a water

leak in that location, but it had been professionally remediated and

you shouldn't have been able to tell it was there. This is amazing.

We could learn a lot from people like you. " But then he never made

any attempt to learn anything from me. Curious.

But the other amazing disappointment was that one of the people

giving me strong hits in his office had been back for repeated

allergy testing and had received no advice on avoidance and

decontamination. In fact, when I told this patient that the strength

of the " hits " on her clothes were strong enough to be Stachy, she

didn't recognize the word and told me that she had never received any

education on this particular mold. I attempted to verify if Dr

Marinkovich was placing any emphasis on the stronger molds and wound

up having a fight with him in which I finally said " There is no

comparison. Compared to Stachy, these other molds are less than a

mosquito bite on my ass. " (This was long before West Nile virus, of

course).

So I'm sorry that I have to say anything negative about Dr

Marinkovich and I'm glad that he is able to help you and your family,

but he did nothing for me except refuse to diagnose, refuse to listen

and refuse to treat.

-

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I've been seeing Dr. Marinkovich for a year now, following his azole

anti-fungal protocol. I'm interested in what you discovered regarding

the azole-resistant fungus. Is this in relation to stachy/other molds?

How did you finally identify the species? Or did you just try a

different medication and it worked for you?

Jules

> It's a shame that Dr Marinkovich's actions force me say say anything

> bad about him. He seemed like a great and caring doctor.

> But his treatment, or lack thereof, of my situation was almost

> beyond belief. Among other things, he flat out refused to help me

> identify a fungal infection. When I found a veterinary lab that

> finally did, I contacted him to explain why it was important to

> identify the species, that I had, and that its lack of response to

> generalized treatment was that it was inherently azole resistant and

> required a different approach. Dr Marinkovich still refused to do

> anything beyond his standard approach despite the demonstrable need.